Do you negotiate price before or after time with the girl (A newbi must read)

I probably should have asked this question before my trip but, oh well.

This topic has also been debated a few times on here, and i am just curious what everyones thoughts are on it.

Ill give the senerio and i'd like opinions from others( ISOC members)who found themselves in this identical same situation. How would you go about sealing the deal with the chica?

You just arrived in town for a one week vacation. Your not really a regular to Sosua, but, this also isnt your first time there. Your looking to hook up with a pretty chica. You are looking for possibly what others might consider a few kinky fetishes with this girl, but, nothing really weird.

Anyways, u find one that strikes your fancy and you chat with her and get to know her. Your spanish isnt that good(we all must have been in this category at one time or another) and her english isnt the greatest, so u make do with what u got) You buy her a beer and an hour later you decide she is the one. What do you do next? You just want her for a couple of hours.

Ill answer first. For me, since ive had some bad experiences from expectations of the chicas in the past, I have now been basically telling them what i want in advance. I do this, in order to try to make sure i get what i want. Example,,BBBJ, fucking, dancing, photos(but not important, thats more for you guys),kissing, and of course, cumming on their faces.

After informing them of what i want to do with them, i then Always discuss a price, If they actually agreed to my serxual terms. Ill usually ask them first, on how much money they want and of course they will say some ridiculous number like 2500 or 2 mil. I then just shake my head and say demasiado or to much, if they speak a bit of english. I wont make a counter offer to the chica immediately and i'll make then wait.

If they walk so beit, but, normally they will ask me how much i want to pay. Thats when i say 1500(it used to be 1000:() Sometimes they say no and i just politely ask them to leave and some of them will say yes to my price of 1500.

Just wondering how other mongers go about sealing the deal with a chica in this exact same senerio i referred to. Thanks

In a town like Sosua, and if your not a regular I would establish the price ahead of time. If you are a frequent visitor and the chicas know you and know you visit often, then you will tend to get dominicano prices, you give em what you want.

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Originally Posted by eastcoastallstar

In a town like Sosua, and if your not a regular I would establish the price ahead of time. If you are a frequent visitor and the chicas know you and know you visit often, then you will tend to get dominicano prices, you give em what you want.

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I guess i didnt really state if you are a frequent visitor or not and that does make a big difference. So, ive edited my orignal post to say your not a regular but, its also not your first time there.

I don't know if there's a set formula to this because taste in chicas, and what guys want in bed vary so much (as well as what they're willing to pay for extras).

There's stories of guys getting anal from chicas not because he asked for it; butt because she wanted it...:eek::mrgreen:!

There's stories of guys meeting the right chica or tourista at the right time and getting a freebie. (LUCKY BASTARDS)

I think it's a matter of communication - not only in what you want...but finding out what she's into...these girls know they're putas, a dime a dozen in a town like Sousa, but like all women they want the illusion of being seduced, knowing you chose them out of a bar or club packed with so many other girls.

My Spanish is worse than yours; but I think if you make it a flirtatious game rather than a negotiation you'll strike more gold... "My old girlfriend wouldn't do this...this...this and this...that's why she's my ex...I need a woman who'll dance for me...teach me to dance...let me take pictures of her beautiful body...yada yada...can you be that woman tonight? ...don't lie to me cause I'll kick you out just like I did her:corky:."

In the end you have to come to a bottomline before getting to the room; but don't feel like it wasn't up to par if she doesn't pull out every trick in the bag in a night...you don't even get that in a "real" relationship...lol.

You said even yourself one of the most fun times on your latest trip was with a girl - you laughed and joked with, shared a quick bite with even though she wasn't typically your type.

Getting everything you want may take building Frequent Fucking Points with a particular chica.

wow jack, did you ever dance the bachata around that question:)

Let me ask u this instead. You have only been to Sosua 2 times. During your two times, what was your normal procedure when u choose your chica? Did you tell her how much you were going to give her before you took her to your Hotel, or did you just take her to the hotel and after everything was done, u handed her what u thought she was worth? Remember, you hae never met this chica before.

Thats basically all i am trying to find out here. Im curious what the percentages of mongers that pick up a complete stranger puta. Do they negotiate the price before the sex, or just give what they feel is appropriate after the sex?

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Originally Posted by cainer

wow jack, did you ever dance the bachata around that question:)

Let me ask u this instead. You have only been to Sosua 2 times. During your two times, what was your normal procedure when u choose your chica? Did you tell her how much you were going to give her before you took her to your Hotel, or did you just take her to the hotel and after everything was done, u handed her what u thought she was worth? Remember, you hae never met this chica before.

Thats basically all i am trying to find out here. Im curious what the percentages of mongers that pick up a complete stranger puta. Do they negotiate the price before the sex, or just give what they feel is appropriate after the sex?

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If I pick up a working chica I always set a price before heading to room.

I also quite often find a non working chica(waitress, bar tender, just a local chica on the beach etc). I usually find one every year. Sometimes I call the same ones that I had met other years. I never negotiate with these. It seems more like a date. They usually don't ask for money although they know they will be paid. And I also always take care of them before I head home.

I always set the price,time and performance expectations first unless it is a girl I have been with before and she remembers me. Make sure you discuss time ( a couple of hours vs. all night incl. departure time for the next day) anything specific you want (anal etc.) and the cost (what you will pay vs. what they ask for) so you can get on with your "date" or start hunting for another "date". Knowing a few key phrases in Spanish will help you to clearly get across what you want.

I use both methods when in paradise. Sometimes I set a firm price in the beginning and sometimes no talk of money is mentioned. It all depends on my vibe from the chica and how we are interacting.

1. Do I or any of my wing men know her/ had her before ?
2. If I don't know her is she highly aggressive or kinda laid back?
3. Is she coming across hard core or more playful?
4. What is my gut telling me to do?

I usually leave the money (whether we negotiated or not) on their purse or under their cell in the morning while they are taking a shower. I think I have only had one issue in the past two years and it lasted a few minutes. It was unfortunate because her amiga was with my wingman and recommended her.

Of course this caused a huge issue between the chicas. Chicas normally do not get involved in each others money transactions. however, this chica felt her future cash would be impacted because her friend wanted to show her ass.

I recall the chica approaching me the next night in Classico's and apologizing for her behavior. Her friend must have really dug in her ass lol.

But, not negotiating is always a risk and can blow up in your face. It is always better to negotiate than not. When you negotiate up front just say what you want to do and how much you are gonna pay. End it with "Si or No mami". If you feel its really a fair price then she also knows its a fair price. The rest is all game and her trying to maximize her profit.

One thing to keep in mind if you don't negotiate what you want up front and what your willing to pay later the chance of a misunderstanding is much greater. The amount of money to be exchanged or what services are to be rendered has not been discussed.

I usually never negotiate price first. To me that takes the fantasy out if it. If the chica mentions price then obviously it is discussed before hand. Secondly I usually only go with what I consider to be 9's or 10's. I usually like to keep a girl (if things go well) more than 1 day because I feel the sex get's much better, more GFE. I will add a second chica to the mix, usually always take 2 or more chicas. I used to only go Cristals where you would pay much higher prices so paying for 2 is no big deal. I also work a second job (8 years now) here in NY in topless bar where I collect the money from the guys taking girls into the Lap dance area or the champagne rooms. Guys pay $30.00 for 4 minutes and no touching, $100.00 for 15 minutes in the champagne room again no touching. I go to the Casino and easily lose 400 a night while I am on vacation and not think twice about it. So I'm probably going to get killed here but dropping $80.00 per night per girl (that I feel is a 9 or a 10) to me is the fucking DEAL OF THE CENTURY. If I had a good time with the girls I'll give them 2500 per day if they bitch or if it was real good (anal ATM) I will give them 3000

Okay to the point then BIG DADDY CAIN(er)...

...yes I set the price up front (before we leave the club/bar). Avoids drama in the after glow so to speak; I do negotiate and have walked away from a few who I thought "You're cute but not all that cute." (Like I should talk, lol)

...I keep certain mantras running in my head that I know are part of the game (2000 RD is alot of money down here - SAGE) (Don't overpay - be smart with your money; whatever you do with one chica the others will know, moneywise and whatever kinky shit you're into in bed - YAYOW)...negotiating is almost expected; it's part of the game...I think it's a chica's way of seeing how gullable you are...although the truly HOT ones know they can easily command and get 3000 TLN.

...for the unknown chicas I take my time to feel them out. I watch how they interact in the club or bar; whether it's with other guys or chicas as they pass through...does she smoke?...did I see her in the same outfit at 1 PM strolling the beach that she now has on at 1 AM in Classicos?; for an ol' gambling hound like me...these are all tells as to what to expect at the room.

First night last trip - lots of GFE from this cutie who was very affectionate in Classicos; anyone who saw us would have thought we were long lost lovers...set price upfront...in room go BBBJ, tossed salad, sex till we passed out...and morning fun as well...just great from go this one...

...in contrast - saw one on my last night that was a stunna - all I could think about was getting a fistful of her hair and banging her till the walls shook; we danced a bit (yes bachata)...and this chica was so self absorbed, so worried about how her mini dress was riding up her ass every 10 seconds, and then pulling it down...as fine as she was I smelled starfish and simply thanked her for the dance...NEXT...

...the night ended with a chica who let me go at it any way I wanted for 1500.

My best experiences have been with chicas where we spent some time together and clicked before heading off to my room. And no money was ever mentioned. I just wad up some bills and stick it in her purse when she is leaving. She doesn't even look at it. If it was a really good experience, I'll be more than fair with her and, as I am somewhat regular in visiting Sosua, she knows there will be return engagements.
Other times, where I have a craving for this particular chica but don't get a good feeling, I'm explicit about what I want and negotiate a price up front. No fantasy, no GFE. just what I want and when I want it. But I have had far more disappointments in this mode than when I worked to find the right chica who clicked with me.

I never negotiate with my regulars just give them what I think it's worth..

With new ones, or hard-core ones, I negotiate and break off the negotiations when things go south, but gently as Sosua is a small community.. I've had a few come back to me after finding out more

The OP is asking about first timers to Sosua, who are not regular vistors. Considering these criteria and what I know about quite a lot of hardcore chicas in Sosua I would say you must negotiate before, otherwise you are bound to have problems later. Most chicas here can smell a newbie from miles away (real sharks), and if they know they never gone see him again they will do all they can to short service him (leave early, or don't do a good service) and demand more money than usual (everything they can get).

So newbie guys please negotiate first, you would have a lot less hassle later (unfotunately whatever you do, you will still have a few issues, but far less). Of course after some weeks/trips (being known in town) and some experience you can change tactics.....

I have heard so many bad stories (and experienced some myself) that warrant this advice.

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Originally Posted by Aren

The OP is asking about first timers to Sosua, who are not regular vistors.

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Good point,

I would recommend all guys fairly new to Sosua to negotiate everything upfront. I agree with Aren that the girls smell fresh meet no matter how much you feel you will be able to blend into the scene. They do this EVERYDAY and we do it a few times a year. The worst thing is to have your morning ruined dealing with the drama of a chica asking for a crazy amount because she knows you are in unfamiliar territory.

Remember, any of us who do not negotiate in advance are running the risk of drama in the morning. So the new guys should remember that and try to keep their potential drama to a minimum.

Truth is I never negotiate with chicas.I press them when they get to the room.If I have any doubts I can use this as an excuse to get rid of them ie; I had this Haitiana model type spoke really good english and married to some european.She gets to the room and off come the clothes. Holy Shit what a body! She had this sticky type lipstick. We start to get into it .She won't open mouth kiss [one strike]I tell her I want a BBJ . She tells me if I have condom on [strike 2]. Since I had already touch everthing and she got issues ,I told her I changed my mind and don't want to do anything. She had told me before she's no puta and she gets 4000p TLN ,yea ok! I stopped cold on her ass and did an about face. I gave 300p for the experience. She wanted me to call later jeje. A day later she was calling like crazy ,but she blu it! I really don't give a fuck what she look like I'm not taking any puta shit!

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Originally Posted by Cman

She had told me before she's no puta and she gets 4000p TLN ,yea ok! I stopped cold on her ass and did an about face. I gave 300p for the experience. She wanted me to call later jeje. A day later she was calling like crazy ,but she blu it! I really don't give a fuck what she look like I'm not taking any puta shit!

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So, she basically told u in advance that she will expect 4000 pesos from you for tln???? I think thats what u said.

So what did she do when u gave her 300 pesos and u kicked her out? %95 of the chicas would not just take your 300 pesos and walk out the door, not without putting up some kind of a dispute.

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Originally Posted by Cman

Truth is I never negotiate with chicas.I press them when they get to the room.If I have any doubts I can use this as an excuse to get rid of them ie; I had this Haitiana model type spoke really good english and married to some european.She gets to the room and off come the clothes. Holy Shit what a body! She had this sticky type lipstick. We start to get into it .She won't open mouth kiss [one strike]I tell her I want a BBJ . She tells me if I have condom on [strike 2]. Since I had already touch everthing and she got issues ,I told her I changed my mind and don't want to do anything. She had told me before she's no puta and she gets 4000p TLN ,yea ok! I stopped cold on her ass and did an about face. I gave 300p for the experience. She wanted me to call later jeje. A day later she was calling like crazy ,but she blu it! I really don't give a fuck what she look like I'm not taking any puta shit!

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To all new guys:

This result is not typical. Many times a chica will refuse to leave or even try to damage stuff. Sometimes it is easy to get rid of them and sometimes you are faced with major drama when changing your mind.

To make things less dramatic you might want to suggest running out to get a bit to eat and have her get dressed and come with you. Once you are outside you can tell her you changed your mind. You may still be faced with drama and a loud chica however, you outside of your apartment and can better resolve the situation (walking away or giving her 1k pesos to go away).

Often times security does not make the situation go away as the security guard probably does not really want to get involved. And it is much better to resolve the sotuation without the police as you will probably be paying at least 1k pesos to the cops.

I very Rarely Negotiate ahead of time with the Chicas, and have never had any problems due to money.....
Also very important , when i do pay them, i am always fair and appreciative, the best way to have a problems is to have a great night with a chica and then in the morning give her so little money that it becomes an insult...
I am not saying to overpay, just be fair and give the going rate...and a bit more if she is a superstar..:D

That's true Seeka, some chicas are glad to make that 1000 pesos, but there are many chicas that get way above that anytime they are on the grind. I'm sure we have all met some serious money makers out there, that would laugh at your little 1000 pesos.

I think 1500 ST is the going rate now, 2500-3000 Max TLN. If the newbies stay in that range they should be cool. What you want to give as a propina is up to you.

Another thing to remember: hardly any of the girls understand the concept of a tip.

When all is said and done, they look at how much money they have in their hand. They don't think, "Wow, I did a great job, and he gave me a 500 peso tip!" Not by any stretch of the imagination.

All they think is "I got some extra money to spend from this guy"

The concept of a tip is foreign to more folks here than you'll ever understand.

Let me add clarity ,When I spoke with her she told me that guys give her 4000p TLN .I countered with 2500p.It was agreed that I will do ST.As she stared her shit I let her know that she fucked up the situation and that I don't tolerate a chica who is demanding ,dictating ,gaming.etc.. There is too too many who will do it for less. This happened early in the day while I was walking.She approached me .

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Originally Posted by moshy2k

To all new guys:

This result is not typical. Many times a chica will refuse to leave or even try to damage stuff. Sometimes it is easy to get rid of them and sometimes you are faced with major drama when changing your mind.

To make things less dramatic you might want to suggest running out to get a bit to eat and have her get dressed and come with you. Once you are outside you can tell her you changed your mind. You may still be faced with drama and a loud chica however, you outside of your apartment and can better resolve the situation (walking away or giving her 1k pesos to go away).

Often times security does not make the situation go away as the security guard probably does not really want to get involved. And it is much better to resolve the sotuation without the police as you will probably be paying at least 1k pesos to the cops.

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I hope people pay careful attention this as I wish I knew this on my first trip to Sosua. If your going to break the deal or once your finished offering breakfast or using any method to give payment outside the room so you can walk away in the case of trouble is EXTREMELY important. Chicas think they can rob your shit or break stuff if they don't get their way which makes some people get violent then you have bigger problems.

Using your brain to solve the problem can end up being far less costly. Plenty of scamming chicas around so you have be on guard.

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Originally Posted by eastcoastallstar

That's true Seeka, some chicas are glad to make that 1000 pesos, but there are many chicas that get way above that anytime they are on the grind. I'm sure we have all met some serious money makers out there, that would laugh at your little 1000 pesos.

I think 1500 ST is the going rate now, 2500-3000 Max TLN. If the newbies stay in that range they should be cool. What you want to give as a propina is up to you.

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Wow these are the prices now?? I think these are reasonable but I would think that from what other members are telling me, the price should be lower since there's a "gringo drought"

I think a fool and his money are soon parted, this sounds kind of strange that grown men do not know how to do business,, when your buying a product do not start thinking the product is going to like you and give you a huge discount.
The owner of that product is going to get as much as he or she possibly can, if that means playing on your ignorance or trying to upsale you that is what is going to happen.
We all have chica friends who give us discount toto, but remember no one dose anything without motive,nothing in life is free

These are not! i repeat not!:boohoo::boohoo::bootyshake::bootyshake::gives: inocent school girls tring to make a few bucks, these chicas know the game better than half of the men here and are daily exposed to the tallents of thier piers unlike us

Trust in no one, never admit to anything,make counter acusations and never pay alot for somthing you can get cheeper

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Originally Posted by Beads

I hope people pay careful attention this as I wish I knew this on my first trip to Sosua. If your going to break the deal or once your finished offering breakfast or using any method to give payment outside the room so you can walk away in the case of trouble is EXTREMELY important. Chicas think they can rob your shit or break stuff if they don't get their way which makes some people get violent then you have bigger problems.

Using your brain to solve the problem can end up being far less costly. Plenty of scamming chicas around so you have be on guard.

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I made a lot of mistakes as a newbie on my first trips in July and August, but one I did NOT make was paying the chica or doing final money transactions while the chica was alone in the hotel room with me. One of the few lessons of other mongers from which I benefitted most - from the little I had then already read in reports here - was that I should take the chica out of my room and to a place where I would have at least a modicum of control of the situation, and would not automatically set myself up for a he said-she said dispute. Before leaving the hotel room, I always got the cash I was going to pay the chica and put it into my pocket, and left my wallet and rest of my cash and other stuff back in the hotel room, then escorted the chica out of my room, locked the door, and either took the chica to my rental car if I was going to give her a ride somewhere, or outside in the general area of the hotel, or otherwise somewhere else, where there would be other third-party witnesses around, and preferably a few other gringos or hotel management people, rather than simply Dominican motoconcho guys, LOL, in case anything went awry and a chica was tempted to go crazy. Of course, I still had some problems, but no chica stole from me, broke anything of mine, or otherwise caused a scene after I paid her, and that was so even when I paid less because she had refused to perform as originally agreed. The worst problem I had was a chica wouldn't get out of my car right away. But she eventually did, and it was only a momentary delay.

The wisdom here of Beads, moshy2K, bentwire et al. should be followed as best as possible by newbies. I appreciate their advice much more after my first set of trips this past summer.

Those are in line for sure with a fair rate for today's prices.....:D

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Originally Posted by eastcoastallstar

That's true Seeka, some chicas are glad to make that 1000 pesos, but there are many chicas that get way above that anytime they are on the grind. I'm sure we have all met some serious money makers out there, that would laugh at your little 1000 pesos.

I think 1500 ST is the going rate now, 2500-3000 Max TLN. If the newbies stay in that range they should be cool. What you want to give as a propina is up to you.

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and at 35 to 1, it all evens out.

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Originally Posted by eastcoastallstar

and at 35 to 1, it all evens out.

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Exactly.

If mothafuckas are going to have big debates about $40 punani vs. $42.50 punani then I think they're spending too much time worrying about non punani related details. Enjoy your life and give thanks & praise!

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Originally Posted by cainer

I probably should have asked this question before my trip but, oh well.

This topic has also been debated a few times on here, and i am just curious what everyones thoughts are on it.

Ill give the senerio and i'd like opinions from others( ISOC members)who found themselves in this identical same situation. How would you go about sealing the deal with the chica?

You just arrived in town for a one week vacation. Your not really a regular to Sosua, but, this also isnt your first time there. Your looking to hook up with a pretty chica. You are looking for possibly what others might consider a few kinky fetishes with this girl, but, nothing really weird.

Anyways, u find one that strikes your fancy and you chat with her and get to know her. Your spanish isnt that good(we all must have been in this category at one time or another) and her english isnt the greatest, so u make do with what u got) You buy her a beer and an hour later you decide she is the one. What do you do next? You just want her for a couple of hours.

Ill answer first. For me, since ive had some bad experiences from expectations of the chicas in the past, I have now been basically telling them what i want in advance. I do this, in order to try to make sure i get what i want. Example,,BBBJ, fucking, dancing, photos(but not important, thats more for you guys),kissing, and of course, cumming on their faces.

After informing them of what i want to do with them, i then Always discuss a price, If they actually agreed to my serxual terms. Ill usually ask them first, on how much money they want and of course they will say some ridiculous number like 2500 or 2 mil. I then just shake my head and say demasiado or to much, if they speak a bit of english. I wont make a counter offer to the chica immediately and i'll make then wait.

If they walk so beit, but, normally they will ask me how much i want to pay. Thats when i say 1500(it used to be 1000:() Sometimes they say no and i just politely ask them to leave and some of them will say yes to my price of 1500.

Just wondering how other mongers go about sealing the deal with a chica in this exact same senerio i referred to. Thanks

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I'd say you did just fine.

I might not offer a drink right away, or at all, but maybe after 10-15 minutes or so if you are still interested. No sense buying all the applicants drinks.

For chicas from Clasico's or other hardcore venues I'd also offer less than 1500, as that's the most I want to pay,and if 1000 is too low then 1200. To give myself some room to negotiate but I don't negotiate back and forth too much. Someone names a price, usually the chica, I counter with my low figure, she counter offers and that's usually it. If not then I make one more offer, take it or leave it and walk away if denied. Too much talk about money is not a good thing for the mood.

These 2 things will save you a ton of money and make the rejects easier to get rid of.

Most chicas I'm with tend to be the quiet type, mellow and not aggressive. I generally don't bring up the subject of money and am prepared to pay the going rate, say 2000 one time. If we repeat, and I like to if it's good (If you like "new all the time" skip this part :D), then it's 1000 for the night or maybe 1500 of we also spent the day together and she fucked me silly a few times. Some days I'll give nothing, others 500 "for the salon", just to keep her off balance. I've done this many times and have not had any issues or unhappy chicas so it works for me but..."use at your own risk" :corky: