10/2008 - ~2008 U.S. Presidential Election-Official~

[Hemp]

Since the Obama-Biden/Mccain-Palin argument keeps rearing its head in various threads throwing original topics of coarse. Its clear that although ISOC has grey areas when discussing politics...its un-avoidable at this time to NOT talk about it, since this particular election cuts so deep into so many people from a personal and professional level. We might as well give it, its own official thread leading up to Nov 4th. Going forward all post pertaining to this election will be moved here.

Fellas, heavy and strong opinions are welcome, but please keep it as clean and respectful as possible. By all means when spewing information, facts and stats...be prepared to back it up (directed towards a certain mid-west candy baron j/k)

My name is Hemp and I am a Progressive Democrat



NOW LETS GET IT ON!

[Jimmydr]

I am a Republican.

[howudoen]

Big time Republican here. I own a business with my brother that this year will do 8.2 million in sales, with a profit of 1.1 million. I employ 32 people with an average total package payment(salary+health insurance+401K) per employee of 57,000. I pull out of my business in salary about $125,000 a year before taxes. I'm 36 years old and work 6 days a week average 12 hours a day. I've been building my business since I was 19 years old. We started in our garage and didn't get paid anything for the first year or so and had to put up about 18,000 to start. At year end I have to give uncle sam a check for $50,000. That doesn't include the taxes they take out of my pay check every week. I live on Long Island(30 miles outside NYC). I pay in in property tax $12,000 a year. IT"S FUCKING INSANE what the Gov't takes of my $. Neither of these 2 guys is going to make it to where I feel it is fair. However I am a republican through and through. Democrats like to throw money at problems and spend spend spend. Just my 2 cents. McCain McCain did I mention McCain

[Summit]

I am a Republican. Too!

[howudoen]

It is shown as a profit not as a recurring expense. I don't have to purchase new equipment every month and would keep my business the same size as it is today. I don't have to market and advertise and my business will still do the same numbers. I do have to pay my employess,gas,electric,health insurance etc. If I sold my business that $ is looked at as a profit.

[SJG]

I do not belong to a political party.

[Hunter]

Drudge is just reporting Gallop has McCain within 2 percentage points of Obama.

It ain't over boys. Go McCain!!!!!!

[Summit]

Piss off the media vote for John McCain!

[Jimbo44]

Screw the damned Republican party, where are we today since Clinton left office 8 yrs ago. Our debt has doubled, we still r in a war, and in the wrong country. Our economy is at an all time low, unemployment at an all time high, people are loosing their homes, and their fortunes. And we sit and listen to the Republicans tell us how they r going to fix it all. Are these the idiots we r supposed to entrust to fix everthing. I don't think so. Bring on the democrats!!!

[PapiQueRico]

. Democrats like to throw money at problems and spend spend spend. Just my 2 cents.

I always get a kick out of this type of statement.

When Ronald Regan entered office the entire national debt that the US had accumulated in over two hundred years was 1 trillion dollars. 12 years later when papa Bush left office the debt had quadruppled to 4 trillion.

Under Bill Clinton, after the first couple of years, we had balanced budgets and even began paying down the debt a bit. Newt and the Republcans get credit also, for sure.

In just under 8 years of baby Bush's presidency the debt is over 11 trillion.

Yeah, you can make cracks about tax and spend Democrats and I can't deny it.

I just prefer that to the don't tax and spend anyway Republicans.

[moshy2k]

I am curious of what you guys think of Obama's and Mccains policy on taxes in light of the current financial situation and beyond.

1. Giving a tax credit to those making less than 250k

2. Maintaining the current tax laws.

Let's keep in mind that a tax cut is not the RIGHT of a rich or poor person.
We hear that Obama's plan is an attack on the rich and an attempt to redistribute wealth in America.

I would also say that providing rich people with a tax break not given to poor is also wealth redistribution. As it keeps the gap growing between rich and poor.

Just interested in understanding the opposing view on tax breaks for Rich vs Poor.

[cainer]

I am cheering for the Dems because i win a massage at La passions from 3some if they win.

[JuanElGriego]

I have my strong political opinions but i usually try to keep them to myself cuz i'm just trying to share a few drinks and monger with the boys here and i really don't want to know what your own political views are.

I'm tryin' to keep a good skirt-chasing team going, not get into the CIA selling crack in Compton in the 80's.

[TropicBob]

I am cheering for the Dems because i win a massage at La passions from 3some if they win.

WTF? Did I miss this? Threesome buying a La Passion Massage for all us Obama supporters if Obama wins? I'm in.....

[PapiQueRico]

Moshy, you bring up an interesting question. I agree with the last part of your post. I believe it was done in reverse for the past eight years.

The Bush administration lowered taxes on the wealthy and created huge debt. Since the debt belongs to all of us, kind of like a red line on our personal ledger sheet, an argument can be made that wealth has been redistributed upward, from the poor and middle class to the wealthy.

As for who should get or keep tax cuts now, I don't know. While in general I would favor Obama's plan to let the upper rates return to the level of the 1990's to facilitate cuts for the middle class. I know that some will howl that this is not fair. If you look at the growing gap between the rich and poor, and the shrinking of the middle class, it is difficult to argue that such tax policies are unfair. The proof is in the pudding.

That siad, in this crisis time I think we need to do whatever will get us "healthy." The answer to that question is waaayyy out of my level of understanding.

[3somefan]

WTF? Did I miss this? Threesome buying a La Passion Massage for all us Obama supporters if Obama wins? I'm in.....

No Bobby, this is strictly between Cainer and myself...you got in too late!

[Dr.Kush]

[Cheeno]

I will be voting for Obama.

[greydread]

My name is Dread...and I approve of this message

[curiousdude]

I will be voting for Obama.

I don't see how anybody could not vote for Obama. I am not only voting for Obama, I have also contributed to his campaign. (And it was enough money to buy lots of punani in the DR. And, like payments for punani, my contribution is not tax deductible. Damn!!)