10/2008 - ~2008 U.S. Presidential Election-Official~

[3somefan]

By "socialist direction" would that include the bank bailout that the Republican Whitehouse pushed through Congress, and which McCain has supported? That propagandistic video you presented discussed the Democratic involvement with Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the like. What about the HUGE Republican involvement in this Wall Street crap? What about McCain's own connections to Freddie Mac? Are you kidding? What kind of "socialism" do you fear?

I, for one, would much prefer a single-payer health care system, yes a "socialized" national health care system, and perhaps even a socialized system of higher education, more like what you will find in Europe, to socialism for Wall Street. But really, BOTH parties, if they are going toward "socialism" at all, are actually veering more toward a "corporate socialism" than to the kind you seem to fear (and which I would actually prefer).

3,

As stated in the PM i sent you before even reading CD's post!!! 100% agree with him. LOL, this is America 3...Capatalism ground zero! the socialist system you seem to be talking about happening here....NOT! U.S.A. at the closing of the day and the bell rings, its about where the number$ are FIRST!

even when senator Obama wins the presidency, he'll preserve the countries capatalistic proclivities, TRUST!

I appreciate your guys opinions and your right to post them. I couldn't disagree more though, and that is my right.

[curiousdude]

I appreciate your guys opinions and your right to post them. I couldn't disagree more though, and that is my right.

Well, I will try to soften the blow for you when you have to pay for cainer's soapie after Obama wins the election, even at the time when you will be buying drinks for others at your b-day party, by buying you a couple of drinks then. But I think we may have to have a toast for President Obama at your party!

[PapiQueRico]

Papi,
I only have a few minutes to respond as I'm heading out the door. I saw Joe's comment prior to the debate and knew it was going to be brought up in the debate. Joe never said he made 250k. It's apparently his dream to own a business with 5 or 6 people which would place him in that tax bracket. It really makes no difference to me whether or not he can afford the business as you stated. People such as yourself are calling the guy a liar and others have called him a racist for making other statements. It was a very telling moment (imo) when Obama stated that he wants to redistribute the wealth. He holds some socialistic views, and his tax and health care plans are a perfect example imo. Just fyi - Obama's treasurer apparently has some tax liens but you don't hear much about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA

No, people such as myself are not calling him a liar, he is a liar. I never said that he said he is currently making $250,000. What he did say is "I'm getting ready to buy a company." That was a lie. He also said "I'm buying this company." That was a lie. He also said the company earns "$250,000.... $270,000-$280,000." That was a lie. He also said that he is a plumber, but according to both the local plumbers union and the county officials where he lives, he needs to have completed time as an apprentice and get a license to be considered a plumber. He has done neither, so strictly speaking that was also a lie. Pretty much the entire conversation was based on lies. In your opinion how many lies does he need to tell before he is a liar?????

As for the potential tax increases he may face if he ever does all of these things he lied about, you can look further up the thread to get an idea about what type of money is involved here.

I own a small business and if the Obama plan goes through as written I will pay less taxes overall, especially when I sell the business and retire to some monger paradise.

Now as for calling him a racist, I don't know. I understand that he said that Obama was tap dancing 'like Sammy Davis Jr.' I have not seen the clip myself. If I had heard that it would surely have made my ears perk up and draw suspicion, but I myself would not label him a racist based only on that statement. Let's just say it wasn't the best choice of words, IMO.

[curiousdude]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA

No, people such as myself are not calling him a liar, he is a liar.

Bush has helped us to appreciate a number of absurd truths, among them: It is often worse to call someone a liar than actually to be one.

[Gladiator]

In view of the polls and considering that the elections are 2 weeks away, it looks like McBush will need a miracle to win this.

[PapiQueRico]

In view of the polls and considering that the elections are 2 weeks away, it looks like McBush will need a miracle to win this.

Don't trust the polls!!!!!!! At least I don't!

[curiousdude]

In view of the polls and considering that the elections are 2 weeks away, it looks like McBush will need a miracle to win this.

That miracle may be in the form of provisional ballots that will not be counted. Remember Ohio in 2004? Florida in 2000? In close elections, in important swing states like Ohio and Florida, if the Republicans can keep enough minority and poor people off the voting registration rolls, and/or block them at the polling sites, this may be all the miracle they will need, despite the best efforts of Bobby Kennedy, Jr., and Greg Palast (see stealbackyourvote.com and gregpalast.com) to insure that they are allowed to vote. Interesting that FOX "News" has managed to get all the rest of the media to follow it like sheep in focusing on the ACORN vote fraud story (which has been hyped up, big time), while they all pretty much ignore the bigger story of Republicans trying to limit how many Democratic votes get counted in important states. But see the upcoming Rolling Stone Magazine article. And read the Guardian (London). At least there is some reporting of this story.

But here's hoping Obama will win in a landslide so the Republican's efforts will go unrewarded this time.

[3somefan]

Don't trust the polls!!!!!!! At least I don't!

Very good point Papi, and I don't either.

I think it was the last 20 days before through 2004 elections, Gladiator, and Kerry had like a 10 point lead. Bush won! I think even all the exit polls showed Kerry winning, yet that wasn't the case.

I was actually thinking about taking the night off work on election night to watch the results come in. Hope it doesn't get all crazy again this time around!

[PapiQueRico]

Very good point Papi, and I don't either.

I think it was the last 20 days before through 2004 elections, Gladiator, and Gore had like a 10 point lead. Bush won! I think even all the exit polls showed Gore winning, yet that wasn't the case.

I was actually thinking about taking the night off work on election night to watch the results come in. Hope it doesn't get all crazy again this time around!

Gore didn't run in 2004.

I guess another example of your research not being all that good.

[3somefan]

Gore didn't run in 2004.

I guess another example of your research not being all that good.

Fixed...sorry I can't keep these dipshits the Dems keep throwing straight !

[Hemp]

Bush won by grand theft presidency!!! with lots of help from his little bro Jeb (Governor of Florida at the time) no more no less

Very good point Papi, and I don't either.

I think it was the last 20 days before through 2004 elections, Gladiator, and Kerry had like a 10 point lead. Bush won! I think even all the exit polls showed Kerry winning, yet that wasn't the case.

I was actually thinking about taking the night off work on election night to watch the results come in. Hope it doesn't get all crazy again this time around!

[curiousdude]

Here's the Rolling Stone article, by Robert Kennedy, Jr., and investigative reporter Greg Palast (whose 2000 and 2004 and more recent reports on the US Presidential elections have appeared mainly on BBC and the Guardian in London):
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...block_the_vote

[greydread]

McCain is way to old.

From the Newsweek article:

• The economy is headed for its worst recession since the Great Depression and most Americans now know that, even if they have not lost their own jobs.
• Studies show that the party that controls the White House loses if the economy grows at less than two per-cent in the year before Election Day--and the economy right now is shrinking.
• McCain’s Republican Party brand is in ruins thanks in good measure to the current GOP president, who is fin-ishing his term as one of the most unpopular chief executives in history.
• The war in Iraq, which McCain supported, is widely seen as a horrendous mistake. His neo-con foreign policy is in disrepute.
• Obama is spending four times as much on advertising as McCain, and has pioneered new methods of voter education and outreach on the Inter-net that McCain cannot match.
• Obama’s own Democratic Party is relatively unified, the sulking of the Clintons notwithstanding.
• Even in good times, it isn’t easy for the “in” presidential party to keep the White House for a third consecutive term.
• McCain, aged 72, would be the oldest person ever to become president, not exactly an enticing calling card at a time of generational change and challenge.
• The Arizona senator has a history of skin cancer and chose as his running mate someone widely regarded as unqualified to assume the top job.
• The “mainstream” media, or what is left of it, has favored and fawned over Obama from the start--even before the current parade of official endorsements. Much of the coverage has been egregiously slanted. Just ask Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
• McCain’s party never has trusted him; he had to use his veep pick--Gov. Sarah Palin--to assuage conservatives who nevertheless still distrust him, in some cases because he picked Palin!
• A gang of lobbyist-insiders, whose identity is glaringly--almost comically--at odds with his supposed devotion to maverick change, runs McCain’s Washington-based campaign.
• America is reviled in the world as a result of the war in Iraq and George Bush’s policies, and most voters are not happy about that.

And yet despite all of this--and more--McCain remains sort of in the ballgame, hanging around in some reputable national polls more or less within the margin of error. How the heck is that possible?

[curiousdude]

From the Newsweek article:

....

• McCain, aged 72, would be the oldest person ever to become president, not exactly an enticing calling card at a time of generational change and challenge.

....

I have just one more thing to say on this and then I will try to shut up:

McCain is 4 years older than Weyland.

Okay, I rest my case.

[3somefan]

From the Newsweek article:

• The economy is headed for its worst recession since the Great Depression and most Americans now know that, even if they have not lost their own jobs.
• Studies show that the party that controls the White House loses if the economy grows at less than two per-cent in the year before Election Day--and the economy right now is shrinking.
• McCain’s Republican Party brand is in ruins thanks in good measure to the current GOP president, who is fin-ishing his term as one of the most unpopular chief executives in history.
• The war in Iraq, which McCain supported, is widely seen as a horrendous mistake. His neo-con foreign policy is in disrepute.
• Obama is spending four times as much on advertising as McCain, and has pioneered new methods of voter education and outreach on the Inter-net that McCain cannot match.
• Obama’s own Democratic Party is relatively unified, the sulking of the Clintons notwithstanding.
• Even in good times, it isn’t easy for the “in” presidential party to keep the White House for a third consecutive term.
• McCain, aged 72, would be the oldest person ever to become president, not exactly an enticing calling card at a time of generational change and challenge.
• The Arizona senator has a history of skin cancer and chose as his running mate someone widely regarded as unqualified to assume the top job.
• The “mainstream” media, or what is left of it, has favored and fawned over Obama from the start--even before the current parade of official endorsements. Much of the coverage has been egregiously slanted. Just ask Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
• McCain’s party never has trusted him; he had to use his veep pick--Gov. Sarah Palin--to assuage conservatives who nevertheless still distrust him, in some cases because he picked Palin!
• A gang of lobbyist-insiders, whose identity is glaringly--almost comically--at odds with his supposed devotion to maverick change, runs McCain’s Washington-based campaign.
• America is reviled in the world as a result of the war in Iraq and George Bush’s policies, and most voters are not happy about that.

And yet despite all of this--and more--McCain remains sort of in the ballgame, hanging around in some reputable national polls more or less within the margin of error. How the heck is that possible?

Because people are realizing that although Obama is excellent orator and communicator, he is a "rookie" and people don't want to go into this current bleak situation we are in with some one with not enough experience.

This would be what I think....

Otherwise, how do you explain it???

[PapiQueRico]

The country is highly polarized. Probably close to 80% decided which party they would vote for more than a year ago, without regard for who the candidates would be. And that 80% is pretty evenly split. If you accept the conventional wisdom that Obama's lead is 6-7 %that reflects a 2-1 edge among those who came into this undecided.

[Juggles]

Another member sent me this and my jaw dropped!! Before you go off, please watch the hole thing. The accuracy in this is amazing! I like the last slide...with what is being read by the man many would like to see in the White House!!

Why are the gaps in the polls being closed so fast??...because details like these are finally coming forward....


http://www.usawakeup.org/USSA.htm

3some,

I don't know quite how to respond, to preserve your feelings, but here it goes.....

I can't believe that you (an assumed intelligent, literate, knowledgeable, and functioning member of society) would not only post this material, but buy into it 'hook, line, and sinker'.

All you need to do is have your computer link to a different URL and perform some LEGITIMATE research. Trust me, it won't hurt you!

I could and should go on outlining the inaccurate, non-factual, and outright unsubstantiated slander posted in ALOT of your posts, but I feel that I'd be wasting keystrokes.

Jay-z: "Don't argue with a fool, because people from a distance can't tell who is who"

For the record. I like you 3some, nice person. However, its apparent that our interactions will never get beyond chicas, beer, or football.

Maybe JEG is right, not knowing anything more than the 'script' about members keeps the good times rolling.....

[3somefan]

3some,

I don't know quite how to respond, to preserve your feelings, but here it goes.....

I can't believe that you (an assumed intelligent, literate, knowledgeable, and functioning member of society) would not only post this material, but buy into it 'hook, line, and sinker'.

All you need to do is have your computer link to a different URL and perform some LEGITIMATE research. Trust me, it won't hurt you!

I could and should go on outlining the inaccurate, non-factual, and outright unsubstantiated slander posted in ALOT of your posts, but I feel that I'd be wasting keystrokes.

Jay-z: "Don't argue with a fool, because people from a distance can't tell who is who"

For the record. I like you 3some, nice person. However, its apparent that our interactions will never get beyond chicas, beer, or football.

Maybe JEG is right, not knowing anything more than the 'script' about members keeps the good times rolling.....

Believe me, I feel the same way about other's...

I won't argue the points, I felt enough was true to post the link. A intelligent person can research what is true and what is not. Many on this board have posted inaccurate things about one or both of the candidates in the past...yet I get the shit, because I support McCain and am somewhat of a Conservative. (not saying you are giving me shit Juggle, just saying in general).

I likewise think you are a pretty good guy yourself. JEG is right a lot!

Sometimes chicas, beer and football are enough....especially for mongering.

[jensenspecial]

I have just one more thing to say on this and then I will try to shut up:

McCain is 4 years older than Weyland.

Okay, I rest my case.

WEYLAND FOR PRESIDENT !!!!!!

[3somefan]

Anyone watch SNL tonight with Sara Palin?? Funny shit. The rap at the end with Palin sitting there taking it and bobbing her head to the beat almost made me piss in my pants I was laughing so hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!