Anyone surprised? "US man charged with running “sex tours” to Dominican Republic "

[Vincent Vega]

A US citizen can travel to the DR and purchase a house to use as a brothel and advertise exclusively in Europe and only do "sex for sale" with Europeans, and he can still be prosecuted back in the USA.

[yourmomma999]

If he were smarter he would have had a friend over there help him do it correctly and send the money to an account setup. For a day trader he should have been smartet, anyways, Im sure he was robbing people blind, and hopefully after the first time they figured out they did not need his dumbass. And you are correct about pimping being illegal and if you do it you have to pay off the authorities, and I have heard that in Sosua around the beach areas, Morau Mai, La Roca, that there are international LE that look like regular people that sit in a car from time to time with special microphones to make sure that pimping is not going on (at least outwardly in the streets) I was told this by someone who supposedly was doing just that over there (offering girls services), so I figured why would he lie?

That law which someone posted is just the governments way to get you for not paying taxes. The U.S. gov't has more stupid laws on taxes than anywhere. It cost so much to live here I can not wait to retire and move out to a 3rd world island in the Carribean.

And while pimps in the DR can get away with that by paying bribes to the right people there (as long as they stay in the DR and operate only there), pimps who operate in the US and work through interstate commerce, through the internet, are asking for trouble.

[MrHappy]

One thing is a Pimp, an other is The Pimp......

Cause i'm the Wolf Man and i'm The Pimp.....and i won't go to jail for it HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

But true pimping is against the law here......But it's not often prosecuted , you got to do some real dumb ass stuff to go to jail here for it.

Domwolf my friend, you are a DOG!!!!!! wahahahahahhahaha

[curiousdude]

PS that guy got in real trouble cause the conspiracy started in the US ( The ad ) and the transaction took place there ( money exchanged hands ).
So even if the sex took place in the moon , the actual crime ( pimping ) took place in the USA.

That is probably why they went after him - because he resides in the US and was doing his shit from here - but legally it doesn't really matter (at least according to the law) that the "transaction" took place in the US. If you read the text of the racketeering laws that relate to prostitution, you should see what I mean. But practically speaking, what you are saying is right. He was nailed because he tried to do that in the US. The owner of a whorehouse in Sosua, say, on Pedro Clisante, who is from, say, Germany, and operates solely in the DR, and takes salidas, and even has a website advertising his business, is physically outside the jurisdiction of the authorities in the US and would be hard, if not impossible, to nail. If he were instead an American citizen, however, and went home to the US, he could be prosecuted under US law. However, his prosecution would still be unlikely if he didn't operate from and in the US, but not because he could not be prosecuted. It's just that it would be much harder for the US authorities to prosecute and prevail, as, in that case, most of the evidence, witnesses, etc. would be harder to find and bring into a US court, as the physical evidence and material witnesses would likely be in the DR.

[curiousdude]

A US citizen can travel to the DR and purchase a house to use as a brothel and advertise exclusively in Europe and only do "sex for sale" with Europeans, and he can still be prosecuted back in the USA.

Yes, wmarks345, is right on the mark here. Not likely to happen, but you're exactly right.

[Summit]

Domwolf my friend, you are a DOG!!!!!! wahahahahahhahaha

Dude , i am a Dog , but i am THE ALFA DOG, i run the PACK...hahahahahahahahahahahaah

Dude we need to hook up in PalALba soon......

[Hemp]

i like your style...lol

Dude , i am a Dog , but i am THE ALFA DOG, i run the PACK...hahahahahahahahahahahaah

Dude we need to hook up in PalALba soon......

i like your style...lol

[SJG]

So how does Dennis Hoff get away with running a web site for the Moonlight Bunny Ranch?

http://www.bunnyranch.com/

[curiousdude]

So how does Dennis Hoff get away with running a web site for the Moonlight Bunny Ranch?

http://www.bunnyranch.com/

The website just has porn and advertises the Bunny Ranch, which is in Nevada, where prostitution is legal in some circumstances. There are even licensed "houses of prostitution" - presumably the Bunny Ranch is such a licensed house of prostitution, so the US federal law, while it might apply to an American on the internet promoting a site/whorehouse in another state, or even in another country, would probably not apply to the Bunny Ranch, because it is probably a licensed "house of prostitution" in Nevada. (Again, the link I gave down below has a chart with a description of the laws of each state in the US, including Nevada.)

[Vincent Vega]

OK, I am going to try an explain this. In 90% of all federal cases, the FBI, DEA and especially ATF can only charge persons who violate federal law as the crime effects “interstate commerce.” The Bunny Ranch's web site does not allow you to purchase any sex. Just T-shirts and other bull shit things. If you want to have sex with the girls there, you gotta go there and pay there. And when you get there, it is all legal under Nevada state law. No Fed problem. However, if the web site was to take money for the purpose of prostitution from customers who do not live in Nevada, big Fed problem. Also, if one of the girls were to travel across Nevada's state line to have sex in exchange for money, again, effect on interstate commerce and again, big Fed problem. Then, you have statues that deal solely with persons crossing international borders and committing certain crimes that fall under the jurisdiction of federal agencies alone.


ATF suffers the most under these restrictions. Let's say this. They investigate and arrest a person for being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm. Afterwards, they look at the weapon and learn it is a fully legal Tech 9 pistol. The arrest in made within the state of Florida. Tech 9's are made in Miami. There is no effect on interstate commerce. They can't charge him. They must turn him over to state authorities who can charge him for state violations. The only exception would be if the arrested subject's felony conviction was in federal court.




The other 10% of crimes the feds can arrest for, which do not effect interstate commerce are crimes of civil rights violations, public corruption, lieing to the FBI and the big important one, failure to pay excise taxes. Federal law is very good about covering all bases in investigations. Get caught with an illegal machine gun. They charge you with failure to pay the excise tax. Get caught with 100 kilos of cocaine, one of the charges will be failure to pay the excise tax for selling cocaine. That's right. The government sells stamps for almost every crime involved with interstate commerce. The stamp shows you have paid the excise tax. A few years back, it cost $100,000.00 for the stamp to sell 10 pounds of illegal marijuana. So, as you may have guessed, no one pays the taxes. This is important to the feds because if their case suffers problems that might throw out certain pieces of evidence they have, not paying the excise tax might be the only thing they can prove. As a side bar, another trick they like to use is talking a person into signing a “consent to search” for their home or business when in reality the feds already possess a search warrant for said premise. The theory is if later the search warrant is deemed to be based on faulty information and is thrown out, they still have the signed consent to search. And consent to searches stand up in court.

The federal manpower as it pertains to LE is very small when compared to police departments. So, they must concentrate on big cases and cases that effect national security and so on.


So, the best course of action if you are going to broker pussy for money is to maintain the profile of an ameba inside a pile of snake shit. The last thing you want to do is get onto Craig's list and hang you dick in the open for all to take notice.

[Don Tomas]

They charge you with failure to pay the excise tax. Get caught with 100 kilos of cocaine, one of the charges will be failure to pay the excise tax for selling cocaine. That's right. The government sells stamps for almost every crime involved with interstate commerce. The stamp shows you have paid the excise tax. A few years back, it cost $100,000.00 for the stamp to sell 10 pounds of illegal marijuana. So, as you may have guessed, no one pays the taxes.

Believe it or not those tax stamps are bought, by stamp collectors. Of course I wouldn't recommend buying more then one for each "product" but collectors do buy them.

[tomtom33]

[SIZE=4]ATF suffers the most under these restrictions. Let's say this. They investigate and arrest a person for being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm. Afterwards, they look at the weapon and learn it is a fully legal Tech 9 pistol. The arrest in made within the state of Florida. Tech 9's are made in Miami. There is no effect on interstate commerce. They can't charge him. They must turn him over to state authorities who can charge him for state violations. The only exception would be if the arrested subject's felony conviction was in federal court.

The Commerce Clause has been very broadly interpreted by the courts. Were all components of the pistol manufactured in Florida? Was the pistol loaded? If so, where were the bullets manufactured? If they were made in Florida, where were the shell casings made? How about the gunpowder?

[Vincent Vega]

If the gun is stamp "made where ever" then that is it's base of commerce. Bullets have nothing to do with the situation I describe. Absolutely nothing. The US Title 18 criminal codes has an extensive list of definitions to describe all listed elements of crimes. The definition of a firearm does not have the word bullet anywhere in its description. Nor gunpowder. A convicted felon can be caught with an empty gun and the charge is the same. The fact a gun is loaded with bullets has no weight in determining the weapon's base of commerce.

I only gave the example of the gun with ATF to give a broad overview of how federal crimes are determined as it pertains to interstate commerce. It really had nothing to do directly with the subject at hand.