THIS IS THE END, my friends....

[prtyr2]

I would say for sure Blackbeard's is on the list due to internet advertising. Actually I would love to know how they have stayed in business this long. La Passions got raided due to the internet.

...The girls, er, "hostesses" at BB's are "independent contractors", as it were...they come & go when they like (and the house gets a cut under the table ).

The "Passion" girls were showing their tits on the net...never seen that on the BB site.

The girls in Boca were not even independent contractors. There were bars like Route 66 that were basically regular bars. If you wanted to have a beer and listen to some tunes it was a cool place to hang. They didn't have any girls under contract etc. Girls may hang out there, but any deals were struck directly between the chica and the client. . . . .which under strict letter of the law is in no way illegal. . . . . Route 66 is still shut down, where there are about 5 MPs in Boca still open. . . . .

Sosua will almost certainly be next. . . . .

[prtyr2]

I am pretty sure leonel would sign off on that in a second. . . . .getting the US govt to would be more impossible than a good nights sleep for a 14 year old boy in neverland. . . . .

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:40 pm Post subject:

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Wait...I think the second link (l.fernandez@funglode.org) is so you can send Leonel Fernandez an e-mail at this site........................................

OK, here goes....Ahem.......................................................................

Dear Leonel (or current political figurehead in the D.R.),

We are an organized group of (primarily) American whoremongers who frequently travel to D.R. "in search of chicas".

We are only/primarily interested in your third world dump for the fine women and relatively cheap pussy your country has to offer us.

I am writing to suggest the forging of an unique bilateral agreement between us whereby you develop a streamlined visitation system that would enable us to "send for" your Dominican (and Haitian) whores for a short time (say, a weekend, or perhaps a week at a time) to visit here with us as her respective "sponsor". We would, in turn, return this portion of your population's workforce well fed, well fucked, and (by your standards) well paid. Perhaps you could think of it as "DOMINICUNT", another valuable service that your country can provide for ours.

This would obviate the need for us to bribe your country's attorneys, Customs and Immigration officials, as well as assorted Dominican government employees (not to mention executing all the tedious and ridiculous paperwork involved in getting a piece of Dominican ass over here now), and keep us from having to traipse around over there without air conditioning and electricity (to mention only a few more inconveniences).

While it is always nice to see YOU over here giving "political head" in exchange for American dollars, we'd prefer to get OUR blowjobs from your women................................................................................

LEONEL! LEONEL! LEONEL! LEONEL! LEONEL! LEONEL!

DON'T WORRY, MY BROS...THE PESO WILL RISE AGAIN...SOON!
Buwahahahahahahahahah!

[RearWindow]

It says the focus is Boca Chica (google translated as "Small Mouth").
The slowing down of Boca Chica--- that's been reported on this board already.

Sosua in and of itself is not a house or business of prostitiution. It's a town, so that will probably take more effort to shut down. Someplace like La Passion however could be endangered.

You would think that but that is opposite to what happened in Boca. The casas and MPs are still OPEN. regular bars where "freelancers" hangout, similar to the setup in Sosua, were ALL shut down.

There was a similar operation in SDQ about 5 years ago, and shortly everything went back to pretty normal. One woman that owned a very small casa in santo domingo was never bothered as her ex was a big general in the military. He told her, if she took care of the kids he would make sure she was not bothered. In that sweep years ago, even she was closed down. Now 5 years later she was still open.

Time will tell if this operation is long term or not. Many times it is to make a big splash in the paper and appear to be trying. 90% of dominicans have no idea where the gazcue MPs are.

I find it impossible to believe that no one knows where the gazcue MP's were. Hell if WE know , they know. It is their fucking barrio, after all. :roll:They seem to be able to find the car washes easy enufff 8)

[prtyr2]

This is the end of DR if they continue with this and move up to the Nothern Coast, I dont mean for mongers in general but for DR we are the ones that make that country go round with the dollars we spend oh well :roll: to bad for them we will still be on top we live in the US and that is the harsh reality is that they need us down there and they are about to fuck up a good thing.

I doubt that mongers make up more than 2-5% of the tourism revenue. The govt doesn't collect any taxes when you pay a chica 1000 pesos. If you stay at a resort in punta cana at 150 bucks per night. . . . .look at your bill. . . . .LOTS of it goes to the govt.. . .. .

Sorry for the dose of reality. The chicas will be hurt, many small businesses will be hurt. . . .but the govt does not need your money at all. . . . . In fact some may argue that many tourists that do stay at AIs in sosua and boca chica etc, decide to never return because they are offended by the towns being little rat holes filled with putas and drunk foreigners. . . . .LOL. . . .

I would not be surprised if they were just trying to make thing less out in the open. . . . .but only time will tell. . . .

[RearWindow]

This is the end of DR if they continue with this and move up to the Nothern Coast, I dont mean for mongers in general but for DR we are the ones that make that country go round with the dollars we spend oh well :roll: to bad for them we will still be on top we live in the US and that is the harsh reality is that they need us down there and they are about to fuck up a good thing.

I doubt that mongers make up more than 2-5% of the tourism revenue. The govt doesn't collect any taxes when you pay a chica 1000 pesos. If you stay at a resort in punta cana at 150 bucks per night. . . . .look at your bill. . . . .LOTS of it goes to the govt.. . .. .

Sorry for the dose of reality. The chicas will be hurt, many small businesses will be hurt. . . .but the govt does not need your money at all. . . . . In fact some may argue that many tourists that do stay at AIs in sosua and boca chica etc, decide to never return because they are offended by the towns being little rat holes filled with putas and drunk foreigners. . . . .LOL. . . .

I would not be surprised if they were just trying to make thing less out in the open. . . . .but only time will tell. . . .

Interesting observations,amigo. The Guv will do want they "want" but I would imagine there are extraneous forces at work here...(IMF). If this is a new fiscal trend around the world, we better start booking trips now, cause things ain't gonna get any better.

[Pana]

This is the end of DR if they continue with this and move up to the Nothern Coast, I dont mean for mongers in general but for DR we are the ones that make that country go round with the dollars we spend oh well :roll: to bad for them we will still be on top we live in the US and that is the harsh reality is that they need us down there and they are about to fuck up a good thing.

I doubt that mongers make up more than 2-5% of the tourism revenue. The govt doesn't collect any taxes when you pay a chica 1000 pesos. If you stay at a resort in punta cana at 150 bucks per night. . . . .look at your bill. . . . .LOTS of it goes to the govt.. . .. .

Sorry for the dose of reality. The chicas will be hurt, many small businesses will be hurt. . . .but the govt does not need your money at all. . . . . In fact some may argue that many tourists that do stay at AIs in sosua and boca chica etc, decide to never return because they are offended by the towns being little rat holes filled with putas and drunk foreigners. . . . .LOL. . . .

I would not be surprised if they were just trying to make thing less out in the open. . . . .but only time will tell. . . .

What I was talking about was the dollar going down and prices staying the same as dollar is going down and not just mongers but regular tourist. When I started going down to DR I didnt go for mongering at first I just went down there to visit my cousin when 1US was 18RD and prices down there where not bad as it is today. The people are getting mad the main reason is because there family that are working hard here in the US cant send them the amount of dollars to keep up with the cost of living in DR that is going up.

[RearWindow]

So let me get this str8. The regular bars in BC are closed. GiBi, Zanzibar ,Route 66 etc. And La Sala is still open? Casa Blanca?Same with Pink House? But the MP's in El Capital are closed...that's one fucked up Guv.

[prtyr2]

This is all bullshit.

Morality are for those that can afford it.

I've seen this before...Don't worry about it. This means nothing.

There are literally thousands...hundreds of thousands of women that lives off sucking dick to make ends meet.

And with everyone of those women there is a chulo and junior chulito that eats from that BJ dough she brings home.

Since the hotels and tourism are complaining of the weak dollar...the thieves in government decided to attack the other tourism killer culprit...prostitution.

It's all PR bullshit.

This post is ENTIRELY 100% correct, my bros.

Barking is one thing...but biting is another.

They (putas, semi-pros, many students & their dependents...lots of them) would starve to death...not to mention the impact on (sex) tourism! The politicos know what the deal is...they're just pandering to special interests so they can raise some dough and line their pockets. Without their whores, the D.R. is practically useless!

The DR is useless without whores? He he he he he. . . .surely you jest. . . .
heck maybe the govt has a point. . . .higher class of tourist? .;-)

I don't see getting all worked up over this. I have been going to the DR seven years, speak decent spanish, and know the country pretty well. I think having point and click casas and MPs etc is cool, but will have zero problem getting laid. I also have never gone to the DR only to get laid. . . . . . .to me that is silly.

I don't get why anyone who so obviously has no respect for a country, it's culture or it's people, and only finds them useful for getting laid, would ever want to visit there in the first place. If you packed up all the hottest putas in the DR, brazil, and colombia. . . .and built whore complex in south dakota, taught all the girls english, played 50 cent and sevendust instead of bachata and regaeton. . . .. .it seems most of you guys would be all over it. . .. . yawn. . . .

Me? I'll still be heading to or living in the DR. . . .hanging out at a tipico in santiago, or a club in santo domingo. Drinking ice cold presidente, watching fine non puta mamis dancing sexier than women in most countries except maybe brazil. . . . .listening to a live bachata group or tipico group and contemplating which beach I should go to the next day with the cute chica I am about to go dance with. . . . . ..

On the weekends I'll take a bus trip to a different little town. I've never been to Barahona but heard the women are cute. The views on the way are breathtaking. They have a mountain that if you put your car in neutral it will roll UP the hill. They have a lake with crocodiles. I have heard jimmy rave about jarabacoa and maybe the following week I'll head up there with a nice not a puta for a quiet weekend on the river. . . . .


So if you decide to not go to the DR any more. . . .what will you do? Costa Rica? That may be cool.I'd love to check it out. Colombia? also cool, been there done that. Brazil. . .VERY cool. . . stay home and cruise for street hookers. . . . .no thanks. . . .asian massage parlors. . . .yuck. . . .escorts. . . .whose idea of GFE is a few half assed kisses on the lips. . . .sort of? I'll pass. . . . .

Keep in mind that for the most part, places like CR, colombia and brazil are not like Sosua in any way. Usually monger graduate to going to these places as in many cases, not CR, speaking the language is more important. In these places you tend to need to be a bit moe adventurous. In many cases things are more spread out and low key. If you walk down the street in cali colombia, you will not have chicas walking up and grabbing your dick.

If you have no problem getting around the DR, speak decent spanish, have set foot outside of sosua, and taking a taxi with 4 other US mongers to crystals does not count. . . . .you may like colombia or brazil as much as sosua.

If you heavily rely, on the frat house vibe, and the monger network in sosua, need a translator for anything more than fucky fucky, and cerveza. . . .you may have a problem. . .


Maybe jimmy can lead the field trip to Cali and change his screen name to JimmyCO. . .. ..?

Actually all kidding aside I suggest Help Disco in Rio. Since most guys here do not speak spanish any way. . . not speaking portugese would be the same. . . . If you ever set foot in Help your heads would explode. Go to a terma where you change into a robe and chicks that are more than a few notches above most bar girls in sosua, will sit down and make out with you, grope yo, and if you take her to a room will provide a real GFE many times ASKING for anal.. . . .at prices that are pretty darn attractive.

The city is nicer, the infrastructure better. The restaurants are KILLER and cheap. If all I wanted from a country was pussy. . . .brazil or colombia may be my first choice. http://www.contatos.com.br/acompanha...&detail=Morena

Those are independent escorts and not the highest quality available but a good indicator of "average" pussy in Brazil.

[prtyr2]

So let me get this str8. The regular bars in BC are closed. GiBi, Zanzibar ,Route 66 etc. And La Sala is still open? Casa Blanca?Same with Pink House? But the MP's in El Capital are closed...that's one fucked up Guv.

Yes! That is exactly the case. By letter of the law, La sala, Blanco etc are all illegal while Route 66 was not doing anything illegal. .. .

Having said that the rumor is the boca chica sweep was ordered by a new colonel that came to town. He has since been fired. Since the artical DT posted mentioned boca chica, it looks like the fed govt is taking some "retroactive" credit for it.

I am still going down at the end of april and plan to spend most of my time with a really nice normal non pro I am dating. If that doesn't work or I get bored, I have a bunch of numbers in my cell of chicas I can call and take em out for a few beers, maybe dance a bit and then back to my room.

Even though I know where all the hotspots are and hang out in them quite a bit, it is very rare that I actually get a massage or take a girl out. . . .so obviously I am barely effected by all this. . . . .unless you consider the fact that I was working on a site dedicated to this market segment. . . . .LOL.

I am not really concerned. I see you are heading to Costa Rica. I may need to go there in the fall for business. Never been. Also Mexico in the fall, but would not mind figuring a way to visit brazil again. . . .LOL.

[prtyr2]

[quote="RearWindow"][quote="prtyr2"]

It says the focus is Boca Chica (google translated as "Small Mouth").
T
I find it impossible to believe that no one knows where the gazcue MP's were. Hell if WE know , they know. It is their fucking barrio, after all. :roll:They seem to be able to find the car washes easy enufff 8)

Dude . . . .I went on a scouting mission to find the new MPs in aroyo hondo.
In two cases we were a block or two away from MPs and the Moto concho guys had no idea where they were! Once I tried looking for them in a regular taxi. . . .three times we asked moto concho guys where they were. . . . . . 3 times they took us to a gymn that had "massages". . . .we specifically asked for centro de massajes. We said con chicas. . .and THREE different concho guys took me to the same damn gymn.

We know where they are because we do 'research" we read ISOC, WSG, I even put a map of gazcue on my site. . . . The touts and cab drivers all hassle gringos and offer to take us to the MPs. . . .

That is a lot different than 90% of dominicans knowing where the MPs are. They may know where remington is. But I bet hundreds of people walk by 52 every day and have no idea it is a casa. Most of these places are unmarked. Maybe the people on the block, and in the immediate neighborhood know. Maybe rich business guys that have actually been there know. . . .90% have no clue.

I got an email on dominicanchicas from a dominican guy that lives in Mirador Sur in santo domingo. He was asking about Mona Lisa etc because he works in Gazcue. I asked if he had ever been to Shalimar which is in his neighborhood. . . .he had never heard of it. I mentioned geisha, penthouse etc etc etc that are all closer to him than Mona Lisa. Never heard of them. . . .he knows mona lisa because a coworker took him there.

One day at Hotel la resdicenc in gazcue which is right across the street from mona lisa, there were a bunch of us shooting the shit. MPs came up as the girls of mona lisa were leaving work and jumping into taxis.

3 of the male ownership of the hotel, one guy that had been living there for 3 months, and a guy that lived around the block on leah de castro.

They all knew about mona lisa as it was across the street and the security gut from mona lisa always hangs out at the hotel.

One owner knew michele was around the block but had no idea which house it was. . . the rest never heard of it.

None of them knew where Estefani was. . . .literally less than a block away from where we were sitting. None knew where Spa Sunday is. . . .3-4 blocks away. None knew sueno real, including the guy that lived on leah de castro les than 2 blocks from sueno.

Forget 52, elegante and cisne. Forget OMI. . . . .

Soem of them mentioned Herminias and manolo which were much further away and have been closed for years. Once mentioned petite chateau which was really far and also closed. These places were casas and less "dscreet" than the MPs. . . .

[RearWindow]

That was no rumor. He conducted a raid at Playa Vista on bad info about underage girls, and found a 50 y/o couple there.OOOPS.

My new travels are CR and then LOS, with MX in between. ...BTW...Is our mutual friend still around? 8)

[JDR]

This is the end of DR if they continue with this and move up to the Nothern Coast, I dont mean for mongers in general but for DR we are the ones that make that country go round with the dollars we spend oh well :roll: to bad for them we will still be on top we live in the US and that is the harsh reality is that they need us down there and they are about to fuck up a good thing.

I doubt that mongers make up more than 2-5% of the tourism revenue. The govt doesn't collect any taxes when you pay a chica 1000 pesos. If you stay at a resort in punta cana at 150 bucks per night. . . . .look at your bill. . . . .LOTS of it goes to the govt.. . .. .

Sorry for the dose of reality. The chicas will be hurt, many small businesses will be hurt. . . .but the govt does not need your money at all. . . . . In fact some may argue that many tourists that do stay at AIs in sosua and boca chica etc, decide to never return because they are offended by the towns being little rat holes filled with putas and drunk foreigners. . . . .LOL. . . .

I would not be surprised if they were just trying to make thing less out in the open. . . . .but only time will tell. . . .

You pay a chica 1000 pesos and she spends the 1000 pesos in the community. You pay Marriott 1,000 for your trip and 850 gets sent back to the states.

[prtyr2]

This is the end of DR if they continue with this and move up to the Nothern Coast, I dont mean for mongers in general but for DR we are the ones that make that country go round with the dollars we spend oh well :roll: to bad for them we will still be on top we live in the US and that is the harsh reality is that they need us down there and they are about to fuck up a good thing.

I doubt that mongers make up more than 2-5% of the tourism revenue. The govt doesn't collect any taxes when you pay a chica 1000 pesos. If you stay at a resort in punta cana at 150 bucks per night. . . . .look at your bill. . . . .LOTS of it goes to the govt.. . .. .

Sorry for the dose of reality. The chicas will be hurt, many small businesses will be hurt. . . .but the govt does not need your money at all. . . . . In fact some may argue that many tourists that do stay at AIs in sosua and boca chica etc, decide to never return because they are offended by the towns being little rat holes filled with putas and drunk foreigners. . . . .LOL. . . .

I would not be surprised if they were just trying to make thing less out in the open. . . . .but only time will tell. . . .

What I was talking about was the dollar going down and prices staying the same as dollar is going down and not just mongers but regular tourist. When I started going down to DR I didnt go for mongering at first I just went down there to visit my cousin when 1US was 18RD and prices down there where not bad as it is today. The people are getting mad the main reason is because there family that are working hard here in the US cant send them the amount of dollars to keep up with the cost of living in DR that is going up.

I just received the DR1 travel news for the week. They list the tourism numbers and tourism numbers are up across the board. I liked it better personally when my dollar went further and agree that if the trend of the dollar going less far continues it will have a negative impact on tourism. . . . .that has not been the case yet.

In fact in some cases the prices that have gone up the least are for chicas. I first started going down when the peso was 13 or 14 to one. It was easy to convert 1500 pesos that the girls at the juragua wanted was about 100 bucks. Mona Lisa charge 1500 pesos as well. Last year when the peso was 50-1 Mona lisa was still 1500 pesos and I bet the juragua girls were trying to get 2,000 etc

Now with the current rate, mona lisa is 2000 pesos. That is less money than it was 7-8 years ago. . . . . . heck at mini spa cleopatra. . . I can get 2 chicas for 1500. . .. .if only they were around 7 years ago. . . . .

OTOH, hotels, food, beer, gasoline etc etc etc etc are way more expensive.

[RearWindow]

[quote="prtyr2"][quote="RearWindow"]

It says the focus is Boca Chica (google translated as "Small Mouth").
T
I find it impossible to believe that no one knows where the gazcue MP's were. Hell if WE know , they know. It is their fucking barrio, after all. :roll:They seem to be able to find the car washes easy enufff 8)

Dude . . . .I went on a scouting mission to find the new MPs in aroyo hondo.
In two cases we were a block or two away from MPs and the Moto concho guys had no idea where they were! Once I tried looking for them in a regular taxi. . . .three times we asked moto concho guys where they were. . . . . . 3 times they took us to a gymn that had "massages". . . .we specifically asked for centro de massajes. We said con chicas. . .and THREE different concho guys took me to the same damn gymn..

ROTFLMAO!!! I can get with that. I had just posted on another site about an MX taxi who didn't know where the most popular casa in the city was!!And they get a piece of the action money wise! Dude threw away some 20us. :roll:

[Reel Deal]

You pay a chica 1000 pesos and she spends the 1000 pesos in the community. You pay Marriott 1,000 for your trip and 850 gets sent back to the states.

Wrong. The hotel industry works on a roughly 10% net margin. At best, MAYBE 100 gets sent back.

The difference is that many, many more people stay at the Marriott (or fill in any resort name) than monger.

I don't know the numbers (I doubt they exist), but sex tourism is just a teeny, tiny fraction of the total tourist industry. It's huge to us, but we use a distorted perception filter.

[D_W_]

This is the end of DR if they continue with this and move up to the Nothern Coast, I dont mean for mongers in general but for DR we are the ones that make that country go round with the dollars we spend oh well :roll: to bad for them we will still be on top we live in the US and that is the harsh reality is that they need us down there and they are about to fuck up a good thing.

I doubt that mongers make up more than 2-5% of the tourism revenue. The govt doesn't collect any taxes when you pay a chica 1000 pesos. If you stay at a resort in punta cana at 150 bucks per night. . . . .look at your bill. . . . .LOTS of it goes to the govt.. . .. .

Sorry for the dose of reality. The chicas will be hurt, many small businesses will be hurt. . . .but the govt does not need your money at all. . . . . In fact some may argue that many tourists that do stay at AIs in sosua and boca chica etc, decide to never return because they are offended by the towns being little rat holes filled with putas and drunk foreigners. . . . .LOL. . . .

I would not be surprised if they were just trying to make thing less out in the open. . . . .but only time will tell. . . .

Forget "tourism". Think cold hard cash...western union, prostitution...so forth. The government makes money no matter what...the putas have to spend...IVA tax where does that go?

Vast amounts of people are sustained by prostitution...do not pooh pooh it. It wouldn't be so acceptable with the culture if it wasn't so necessary to survive.

[JDR]

BULLSHIT.

Family of 7 will live off of 2 members making 4500 pesos each and Pedro in NYC sending 200 a month. I doubt that highly. Little Maria still needs to suck cock.

[D_W_]

BULLSHIT.

Family of 7 will live off of 2 members making 4500 pesos each and Pedro in NYC sending 200 a month. I doubt that highly. Little Maria still needs to suck cock.

And for that very reason I'm flying back with my fly open!

[JDR]

I went with an ex Politician a few years back to Casa Blanca. These guys ainçt going to give up PUSSY.

[Reel Deal]

Forget "tourism". Think cold hard cash...western union, prostitution...so forth. The government makes money no matter what...the putas have to spend...IVA tax where does that go?

Vast amounts of people are sustained by prostitution...do not pooh pooh it. It wouldn't be so acceptable with the culture if it wasn't so necessary to survive.

OK...let's talk cold hard cash.

I believe the "cold hard cash" driven by non sex tourism is maybe 20-50 times or more than prostitution. The AI's alone have multiples of hundreds, if not thousands more cold hard cash flowing through them than from prostitution.

It is impossible to stamp it out without draconian laws being passed and enforced. But I have to believe there are powerful international monetary forces at play in this thing than some here give credit toward. Go look at the history of the IMF and see for yourself. Remember, the DR is at the mercy of the internationalists.