TSA Body scanners vs pat-down

[Apos]

What do you think?

https://voices.washingtonpost.com/bl...an_the_bo.html

Revolt against TSA: Ban the body scanner?


By Melissa Bell

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A groundswell of anger has rippled through the nation's airports: People are not happy about the body scanner security systems.
While The Post's Andrea Sachs did not find the procedure too invasive when she tested the new technology ("I found it comforting to know that the body scanner would uncover items missed by older equipment and that we travelers have one more layer of protection against those exceedingly crafty terrorists."), other people have not been so happy with the experience.
Some people are bothered by the idea of a stranger seeing the naked outlines of their body, others worry about the images being stored. Another complaint is that if you opt out of a scan, you're subjected to a pat-down that has gotten a wee too invasive for some folks. "One US Airways pilot said he felt as though he had been "sexually molested" by the pat down," Mike Cleary, president of the US Airline Pilots Association, told USA Today.
Some people are planning a National Opt Out Day for Nov. 24. Fliers are supposed to opt out of having a body scan or not travel at all. The Web site writes, "You should never have to explain to your children, 'Remember that no stranger can touch or see your private area, unless it's a government employee, then it's OK.' "
Meg McLain, a radio host, went on the program "Free Talk Live" and said she had been handcuffed and harassed when refusing to use the body scanners. The Transportation Security Administration released security camera footage that appears to contradict at least some of her claims, [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trQp6V8dx7A"]as she is not handcuffed in the footage[/ame].
The angry fliers have professional support: The unions at American Airlines and US Airways have advised their 14,000 members to avoid the scanners and opt for the pat-downs.
The Electronic Privacy Information Center filed a lawsuit July 2 to stop the installation of more scanners at airports in the United States, saying the procedure was "unlawful, invasive and ineffective."
TSA, meanwhile, contends the body scanners are safe and necessary. "Advanced imaging technology safely screens passengers for metallic and nonmetallic threats including weapons, explosives and other objects concealed under layers of clothing without physical contact to help TSA keep the traveling public safe," an entry on the administration's blog reads.

By Melissa Bell | November 12, 2010; 1:18 PM ET
Categories: The Daily Catch

[mikelodge]

What do you think?

https://voices.washingtonpost.com/bl...an_the_bo.html

Revolt against TSA: Ban the body scanner?


By Melissa Bell
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Parody shirts made by Despair.com
A groundswell of anger has rippled through the nation's airports: People are not happy about the body scanner security systems.
While The Post's Andrea Sachs did not find the procedure too invasive when she tested the new technology ("I found it comforting to know that the body scanner would uncover items missed by older equipment and that we travelers have one more layer of protection against those exceedingly crafty terrorists."), other people have not been so happy with the experience.
Some people are bothered by the idea of a stranger seeing the naked outlines of their body, others worry about the images being stored. Another complaint is that if you opt out of a scan, you're subjected to a pat-down that has gotten a wee too invasive for some folks. "One US Airways pilot said he felt as though he had been "sexually molested" by the pat down," Mike Cleary, president of the US Airline Pilots Association, told USA Today.
Some people are planning a National Opt Out Day for Nov. 24. Fliers are supposed to opt out of having a body scan or not travel at all. The Web site writes, "You should never have to explain to your children, 'Remember that no stranger can touch or see your private area, unless it's a government employee, then it's OK.' "
Meg McLain, a radio host, went on the program "Free Talk Live" and said she had been handcuffed and harassed when refusing to use the body scanners. The Transportation Security Administration released security camera footage that appears to contradict at least some of her claims, as she is not handcuffed in the footage.
The angry fliers have professional support: The unions at American Airlines and US Airways have advised their 14,000 members to avoid the scanners and opt for the pat-downs.
The Electronic Privacy Information Center filed a lawsuit July 2 to stop the installation of more scanners at airports in the United States, saying the procedure was "unlawful, invasive and ineffective."
TSA, meanwhile, contends the body scanners are safe and necessary. "Advanced imaging technology safely screens passengers for metallic and nonmetallic threats including weapons, explosives and other objects concealed under layers of clothing without physical contact to help TSA keep the traveling public safe," an entry on the administration's blog reads.

By Melissa Bell | November 12, 2010; 1:18 PM ET
Categories: The Daily Catch

Scan away and as Charlton Heston who was the head of the NRA said "Keep your filthy hands off me you" in a movie where he was an astronaut and time traveled.

[GrandePadre]

At some point folks have to realize that flying is not a right. While I agree that there needs to be some common ground. Buy purchasing a ticket you are giving consent to be searched. Your civil rights are not being violated. The only concern I have about this is I use a hidden pocket to carry large sums of money. I don't want to have to be pulled aside and searched extra because I am carrying a lot of cash on me.

[Apos]

Personally I don't really care as I have nothing to hide.

I also have hidden/inside zippered pockets in some pants and carry cash there but always well under the legal limit so I do not have to declare it and if I get searched...no big deal.

My last couple of flights, and I've made dozens and do what I can to reduce hassle and the chances of needing to be searched, I was searched/wanded almost every time I went thru customs...2 times each way even though I had no metal on me and minimal cash. There were no body scanners at the airports I used.

My understanding is that they are in only a few major airports in the US and almost none in Canada although they have plans for Toronto. I last flew in May so I'm sure things have changes some.

[Klockman]

Anyone that spends that kind of money, gets to see me naked.

The trauma that causes, is between those that see and their therapists

Seriously, I don't give it any thought, there so many other things that annoy me more when it comes to flying.

the machines don't bug me

[mikelodge]

At some point folks have to realize that flying is not a right. While I agree that there needs to be some common ground. Buy purchasing a ticket you are giving consent to be searched. Your civil rights are not being violated. The only concern I have about this is I use a hidden pocket to carry large sums of money. I don't want to have to be pulled aside and searched extra because I am carrying a lot of cash on me.

As long a you are not carrying over $10,000 U.S you don't have to declare it and even if for some reason you wanted to bring more than that just declare it and say it is to help with the relief effort in Haiti

[Mr. Smooth]

I first went through a body scanner last December before boarding my flight to Bangkok. I spoke with a TSA employee and told him how much better I liked this than going through the old way. I have a plate and screws in my right leg and I usually trip the x-ray machine thereby getting the full pat down service before going to my gate.

He told me that it was an experiment and only installed in a half dozen airports nationwide. Obviously, they have popped up in many other airports since then.

I have no problems with it. It seemed more fluid getting through as I didn't have to take my off my shoes or belt. More customer friendly IMO.

I have no issues with privacy. The doctor saw me naked when I was born and the coroner will see me naked when I'm dead. And many chicas will see me naked inbetween.

[vewdew]

Charlotte North Carolina I went tru scanner waited for the result, result was positive and got the pat down, and nothin found on my body.

So draw your own conclusion now that they say its is "unlawful, invasive and ineffective."

To me it was ineffective since I got the pat down after the scanner.

[mikelodge]

Personally I don't really care as I have nothing to hide.

I also have hidden/inside zippered pockets in some pants and carry cash there but always well under the legal limit so I do not have to declare it and if I get searched...no big deal.

My last couple of flights, and I've made dozens and do what I can to reduce hassle and the chances of needing to be searched, I was searched/wanded almost every time I went thru customs...2 times each way even though I had no metal on me and minimal cash. There were no body scanners at the airports I used.

My understanding is that they are in only a few major airports in the US and almost none in Canada although they have plans for Toronto. I last flew in May so I'm sure things have changes some.

Glen Beck is against them and says when they feel his kids crotch they are molesting them. OK then he has an opinion on everything. But really

[MrHappy]

Hey, I don't have a problem going through the full body scanner. With my little weenie, everybody deserves to have a laugh or two..

(cue the little weenie full scan video)

[ralphie1]

i dont care about scanning or a pat down either for that matter. just be efficient about it and keep the line moving

what i dont like, and really needs work on, is being separated from my carry on and laptop and the dog dish with documents, passport and cash as i understand when going thru the scanner, nothing is allowed in your pockets, not even your cash

[Hoseman]

i dont care about scanning or a pat down either for that matter. just be efficient about it and keep the line moving

what i dont like, and really needs work on, is being separated from my carry on and laptop and the dog dish with documents, passport and cash as i understand when going thru the scanner, nothing is allowed in your pockets, not even your cash

They say nothing in your pocket but I kept my cash in miine I did not even think about it till I went through.

[JD426]

i dont care about scanning or a pat down either for that matter. just be efficient about it and keep the line moving

what i dont like, and really needs work on, is being separated from my carry on and laptop and the dog dish with documents, passport and cash as i understand when going thru the scanner, nothing is allowed in your pockets, not even your cash

I had a SINGLE PIECE of gum in my shirt pocket and they had me put it in a bowl (the aluminum foil set off the machine) I said you got to be kidding me, he just smiled and said No. So a single piece of gum got the full teatment. LOL
They go overboard esp with all paper CASH and even passport need to go through &thats just bullshit, noone needs to know how much cash I have on me if its under 10K so I wonder if they record that shit somehow with the passport # for possibly future reference , call me paranoid.
But as you said as long as they keep it moving, im A ok with it.
I DO like the part about not having to take off my shoes with these scanners, that does restore a little DIGNITY so it kind of balances it out IMO. I dont cross dress or smuggle Sausages so I got nothing to be ashamed of, if some Woman or even gay dude wants a cheap thrill , hey knock yourself out honey.

[ralphie1]

They say nothing in your pocket but I kept my cash in miine I did not even think about it till I went through.

i guess i put my cash in my pocket folded over with a rubber band and see what happens. still doesnt make me feel good about watching my laptop go down the line with my passport, ticket and wallet with a few credit cards in it

i guess i will really start to worry when the DR starts scanning. kiss the loose money and the likes good bye

btw, the gum thing, i ALWAYS make sure the gum goes in the dog dish. take my glasses off, my watch off , then my wallet wont set things off

[Hoseman]

They were doing it randomly.I think I must be flagged They had the Dog go through mys stuff on my way back to the States in Miami When they did not find anything they gave me some bullshit excuse saying someone touched my gym shoes that had been smoking weed

[JD426]

Those dogs should be sniffing for explosives, not weed. Dammmn they got their priorities FUCKED up....wtf is wrong with these people.
Fucking mexican border, and you are comin back with your RV, ok sniff for weed, but a carry on, just how much weed are they expecting to find ? damn that pisses me off. These is absolutely NO logic to any of this shit.. Thats why the general public is getting fed up .
Take away my nail clippers, but then u give me a knife and a glass bottle of wine with my meal. I swear they are all fucking retarded.

[Mr. Smooth]

Some of these TSA people do get off at the power they have over ordering people in line. They seem to think they are the equivalent of the Secret Service or something. To me, they are nothing more than a glorified mall cop. And some of the women!! Jeezus! Loud, abrasive, obnoxious. It's their way of getting back at society, especially to the guys standing in line, for having been passed over in the game of love. Power goes to their head and they revel in it as a respite to the rest of their miserable, lonely lives.

If technology is available that will allow me to get through security with as little contact as possible with these people, I'm all for it.

[Tiger]

They say nothing in your pocket but I kept my cash in miine I did not even think about it till I went through.

Hey Hoseman, Do they have then in DTW yet?

[Tiger]

Those dogs should be sniffing for explosives, not weed. Dammmn they got their priorities FUCKED up....wtf is wrong with these people.
Fucking mexican border, and you are comin back with your RV, ok sniff for weed, but a carry on, just how much weed are they expecting to find ? damn that pisses me off. These is absolutely NO logic to any of this shit.. Thats why the general public is getting fed up .
Take away my nail clippers, but then u give me a knife and a glass bottle of wine with my meal. I swear they are all fucking retarded.

It's hard to believe but they let knitting needles on planes. I have seen it and my wife has taken them on. I would think you could do some serious damage with a metal or even wooden knitting needle.

I also wonder where they came up with the 3 oz. bottle limit. Each container must only be 3 oz or less but you can take as many of the 3 oz. bottles as you want. Plus......3 oz of bad stuff can do allot of damage.

[Tiger]

As far as the body scan or pat down.......what ever is quicker. Neither one bothers me if it helps stop the bad guys. I think the scan would be faster so I will go with that.