Should you lie to the chicas?

[whynotme]

I still don't know what you are talking about, none were mine I wasn't there.

but your memory card was

[JuanElGriego]

If a girl is a scammer or player, I may out play her just to teach her a lesson. It let's her know that all gringos are not pendejos . . . . .

I wasn't gonna post this story cuz there seems to be an influx of bleeding hearts mongers lately on here but this sentence here pretty much sums up my feelings as well so here goes ...

Last year i had met this chick in Santiago. Hung out with her down there and later in my trip had her come up to Sosua for a couple days. Money was never discussed but on the day she was leaving i put something in her bag. We keep in contact, calls/texts for the next 4+ months. I keep in contact with lots of girls cuz its fun and i never have any issues with them asking me for anything so its never a problem. Anyways, as time goes by, she keeps with the "i miss you/i stay home all day/i'm not a hoe ... i don't want that life story. I tell her look, i don't believe a word of it, i'm not new to this and its better to just be honest and everything's cool, don't worry about it if you're seeing another dude here and there. She keeps insisting she's not and how she's getting tired of me never believing a word she says and she just wants to see me when i get back. Fine.

My 3rd day back in Sosua this past trip i call her to come up. Everything's cool, i enjoy spending time with her and the pussy is great, but she's always a bit tight in the disco, she doesn't really like to dance while i like to have fun when i'm there and i told her this numerous times. She's kind of a dead-fish in the disco and by the 3rd night i'm tired of her and i start chatting to some chick i know while we're in the disco. She gets pissed off and after awhile wants to leave. My wingmen and their chicks are ready to go too cuz its late so we bounce. When we get back to the room i ask her what she wants to do. She says whatever i want. I tell her it's not working out and it's best if she leaves in the morning and she says fine.

Next morning i'm up and showered early cuz i wanna hit the beach. I wait for her to shower and pack her stuff. When she's done all of a sudden she wants to talk about last night and what happened. I tell her there's nothing to talk about and she's gotta go unless there's something she wants ($$$$). She just looks at me with this stupid half-grin. I tell her why are you sitting here, you gotta go and i gotta go and if you want something you need to ask for it. She asks me why she needs to ask for it. I tell her cuz for over 4 months she talked about how she just wanted to be with me and the hoe life wasn't for her even though i kept telling her i didn't believe a word of it and to just be real and everything will still be cool with us. Now, if you wanna be compensated like the hoe that you swore you weren't, you need to tell me you're a hoe and want your money, this way both of us can know who was right and who was a liar and who tried to run game. She refuses to ask for the money, even when i start the sentence for her "quiero mi ..." and leave out the last word. I want her to say the word. Keep in mind i've got her money ready and intended to give it to her the whole time and if she'd never asked for it and simply started to leave i woulda stopped her and put it in her bag (and had a lot more respect for her) but i needed to prove my point with her since that's not the route she took, the point being what prtyr 2 stated above ... "not all gringos are pendejos" and if you try to play me i'm gonna respond in kind.

My wingmen by now are ready for the beach and telling me to get this over with cuz we've got better things to do so i take her bag out the room and put it on the balcony and ask her to get out of the room because i'm locking it so she comes out and sits on a chair. I tell her i'm leaving for the beach in one minute so she either says what she wants or i'm out. She finally says it ... "dinero". I say "gracias", and pull out the money i had in my pocket all along and place it on the floor in front of her seat. I walk away and my buddy says that was a bit too harsh but i was steamed that for almost an hour she simply refused to ask for the money, still insisting on trying to play the "i'm not really a hoe" role. I decide it might have been too harsh to put the money on the floor so i walk back and pick up the money and put it in her bag but when i look up i can see her sitting there and despite her having sunglasses on i can tell she's crying up a storm. I get her back in the room and clean her up. We walk to the front of the hotel, i call her a cab, give her 200 pesos for the ride to the station, and put her in the cab and that's the last time i saw or spoke to her. I told Jimbo the story later that day on the beach and he was like "you're making me sad just hearing it" but it wasn't about making anyone feel sad.

Anyone that's known me all these years knows i'm not in the business of demeaning the women down there. They're hoes and i'm a trick and we're on equal ground, no one's better than anyone, so i've never had any desire to throw it in the face of a chica that she's selling her body. However, this wasn't the case. This was the case of a young Santiaguerra thinking she can come off like she's a square chick who just wants to hang and poo-pooing the hoe life, yet all the while expecting to be compensated like a puta. You can't have it both ways. She thought by playing the square-chick role she could have an in and get some playing time over some Sosua chick who didn't lie or front about who she was or what she did. I hate liars. Despite me never believing her (and repeatedly telling her i didnt), she kept up the act, so i had to let her know who was right and who was the liar trying to run game. I also wanted to let her know, by doing what i did, that it was a dangerous game she was playing. She's gonna play that "i'm just a regular chick" game on some guy who's gonna fall in love and send her money and shit and he's gonna find out eventually that she's doing the same thing with numerous other guys. When they find out, some might just curl up in the fetal position and cry about being taken for a sucker, but it takes just one dude to react in a different way to a lying-ass chica and decide to rearrange her face. She's young and attractive and can do well for herself by being upfront about what the deal is. I hope she decides to change how she operates but if she doesn't, it's not like she can say no one ever warned her.

[gdogg]

Damn, Juan!!! I didn't know your pimp hand was made of cast iron!!!

[JuanElGriego]

Damn, Juan!!! I didn't know your pimp hand was made of cast iron!!!

Gdogg, i'm no pimp therefore i have no pimphand, i'm just a trick like everyone else on here, but i don't lie to anyone or try to run game on them and don't appreciate either of those being done to me. I gave her numerous chances to say she's just another chick that could use a lil' money and if i came back to call her and everything woulda been sweet like sugar but she refused, insisted on playing the church-girl role and at the end expecting puta compensation and i wasn't about to let that slide without showing her that i wasn't bluffing when i told her honesty is the best policy and games are for children.

I hope she learned something but even if she didn't, like my buddy said, "that bitch ain't never gonna forget you, i can tell you that", lol.

[gdogg]

Gdogg, i'm no pimp therefore i have no pimphand, i'm just a trick like everyone else on here, but i don't lie to anyone or try to run game on them and don't appreciate either of those being done to me. I gave her numerous chances to say she's just another chick that could use a lil' money and if i came back to call her and everything woulda been sweet like sugar but she refused, insisted on playing the church-girl role and at the end expecting puta compensation and i wasn't about to let that slide without showing her that i wasn't bluffing when i told her honesty is the best policy and games are for children.

I hope she learned something but even if she didn't, like my buddy said, "that bitch ain't never gonna forget you, i can tell you that", lol.

She was probably debating how to come clean the whole time she was with you. She knew she needed money, but she may not consider herself a puta. I bet those were some legit tears. And your boys were right...she will NEVER forget you. I say call her up on your next trip down.

[greydread]

I also wanted to let her know, by doing what i did, that it was a dangerous game she was playing. She's gonna play that "i'm just a regular chick" game on some guy who's gonna fall in love and send her money and shit and he's gonna find out eventually that she's doing the same thing with numerous other guys. When they find out, some might just curl up in the fetal position and cry about being taken for a sucker, but it takes just one dude to react in a different way to a lying-ass chica and decide to rearrange her face. She's young and attractive and can do well for herself by being upfront about what the deal is. I hope she decides to change how she operates but if she doesn't, it's not like she can say no one ever warned her.

She wanted to play the long game and get short rate compensation. That's like "double dipping". Some times they catch the bear, some times the bear catches them.

Maybe she really thought she wasn't selling it. Maybe she thought she had a generous boyfriend. Maybe she needs to quit thinning so much and do what she does best.

[JuanElGriego]

She was probably debating how to come clean the whole time she was with you. She knew she needed money, but she may not consider herself a puta. I bet those were some legit tears. And your boys were right...she will NEVER forget you. I say call her up on your next trip down.

Not a chance of me ever calling her again.

As for her, she comes from a line of cousins/aunts playing this game so she knew exactly what she was doing and i know for a fact i'm not the only one she's been phishing with.

She was the one who made it more complicated than necessary. Like i said, i was gonna give her some money all along. If she'd got up to leave without asking, i woulda stopped her and put it in her bag. If she'd simply said "you were right, i'm here for a payday", i woulda said thank you for finally being honest and here you go. The only reason it got to that ridiculous point it did was her trying to play the square-chick role to the very end. I don't hand money over to square chicks. I pay for movies and dinner, but i don't put money in their bags. She wanted to walk away with both her "story" AND the money and no way in well was i gonna allow that to happen.

[gdogg]

Not a chance of me ever calling her again.

As for her, she comes from a line of cousins/aunts playing this game so she knew exactly what she was doing and i know for a fact i'm not the only one she's been phishing with.

Oh...that's different. I didn't know she came from a long standing puta pedigree!

[DASBOOTY]

I wasn't gonna post this story cuz there seems to be an influx of bleeding hearts mongers lately on here but this sentence here pretty much sums up my feelings as well so here goes ...

Last year i had met this chick in Santiago. Hung out with her down there and later in my trip had her come up to Sosua for a couple days. Money was never discussed but on the day she was leaving i put something in her bag. We keep in contact, calls/texts for the next 4+ months. I keep in contact with lots of girls cuz its fun and i never have any issues with them asking me for anything so its never a problem. Anyways, as time goes by, she keeps with the "i miss you/i stay home all day/i'm not a hoe ... i don't want that life story. I tell her look, i don't believe a word of it, i'm not new to this and its better to just be honest and everything's cool, don't worry about it if you're seeing another dude here and there. She keeps insisting she's not and how she's getting tired of me never believing a word she says and she just wants to see me when i get back. Fine.

My 3rd day back in Sosua this past trip i call her to come up. Everything's cool, i enjoy spending time with her and the pussy is great, but she's always a bit tight in the disco, she doesn't really like to dance while i like to have fun when i'm there and i told her this numerous times. She's kind of a dead-fish in the disco and by the 3rd night i'm tired of her and i start chatting to some chick i know while we're in the disco. She gets pissed off and after awhile wants to leave. My wingmen and their chicks are ready to go too cuz its late so we bounce. When we get back to the room i ask her what she wants to do. She says whatever i want. I tell her it's not working out and it's best if she leaves in the morning and she says fine.

Next morning i'm up and showered early cuz i wanna hit the beach. I wait for her to shower and pack her stuff. When she's done all of a sudden she wants to talk about last night and what happened. I tell her there's nothing to talk about and she's gotta go unless there's something she wants ($$$$). She just looks at me with this stupid half-grin. I tell her why are you sitting here, you gotta go and i gotta go and if you want something you need to ask for it. She asks me why she needs to ask for it. I tell her cuz for over 4 months she talked about how she just wanted to be with me and the hoe life wasn't for her even though i kept telling her i didn't believe a word of it and to just be real and everything will still be cool with us. Now, if you wanna be compensated like the hoe that you swore you weren't, you need to tell me you're a hoe and want your money, this way both of us can know who was right and who was a liar and who tried to run game. She refuses to ask for the money, even when i start the sentence for her "quiero mi ..." and leave out the last word. I want her to say the word. Keep in mind i've got her money ready and intended to give it to her the whole time and if she'd never asked for it and simply started to leave i woulda stopped her and put it in her bag (and had a lot more respect for her) but i needed to prove my point with her since that's not the route she took, the point being what prtyr 2 stated above ... "not all gringos are pendejos" and if you try to play me i'm gonna respond in kind.

My wingmen by now are ready for the beach and telling me to get this over with cuz we've got better things to do so i take her bag out the room and put it on the balcony and ask her to get out of the room because i'm locking it so she comes out and sits on a chair. I tell her i'm leaving for the beach in one minute so she either says what she wants or i'm out. She finally says it ... "dinero". I say "gracias", and pull out the money i had in my pocket all along and place it on the floor in front of her seat. I walk away and my buddy says that was a bit too harsh but i was steamed that for almost an hour she simply refused to ask for the money, still insisting on trying to play the "i'm not really a hoe" role. I decide it might have been too harsh to put the money on the floor so i walk back and pick up the money and put it in her bag but when i look up i can see her sitting there and despite her having sunglasses on i can tell she's crying up a storm. I get her back in the room and clean her up. We walk to the front of the hotel, i call her a cab, give her 200 pesos for the ride to the station, and put her in the cab and that's the last time i saw or spoke to her. I told Jimbo the story later that day on the beach and he was like "you're making me sad just hearing it" but it wasn't about making anyone feel sad.

Anyone that's known me all these years knows i'm not in the business of demeaning the women down there. They're hoes and i'm a trick and we're on equal ground, no one's better than anyone, so i've never had any desire to throw it in the face of a chica that she's selling her body. However, this wasn't the case. This was the case of a young Santiaguerra thinking she can come off like she's a square chick who just wants to hang and poo-pooing the hoe life, yet all the while expecting to be compensated like a puta. You can't have it both ways. She thought by playing the square-chick role she could have an in and get some playing time over some Sosua chick who didn't lie or front about who she was or what she did. I hate liars. Despite me never believing her (and repeatedly telling her i didnt), she kept up the act, so i had to let her know who was right and who was the liar trying to run game. I also wanted to let her know, by doing what i did, that it was a dangerous game she was playing. She's gonna play that "i'm just a regular chick" game on some guy who's gonna fall in love and send her money and shit and he's gonna find out eventually that she's doing the same thing with numerous other guys. When they find out, some might just curl up in the fetal position and cry about being taken for a sucker, but it takes just one dude to react in a different way to a lying-ass chica and decide to rearrange her face. She's young and attractive and can do well for herself by being upfront about what the deal is. I hope she decides to change how she operates but if she doesn't, it's not like she can say no one ever warned her.

My take on this chica is that maybe she does want to change (get out of the game, become a regular chica and have a normal relationship with a foreigner) but is having a difficult time trying to make a go of it.

I know this one chica who lives in Monte Llano, she is a complete non-pro (university student, lives at home with mom, pop and siblings) and is totally against prostitution. She talks about prostitutes as "estan confindudas" or in English "they are confused".

It could be the case with this chica, JEG. Perhaps, she is just confused and really would like to change. Sounds like she could use a little guidance.

And BTW, I will be in Sosua in a few days. If you could give me the contact info for this chica, maybe I can help her with this 'change' .

[Jimmydr]

My take on this chica is that maybe she does want to change (get out of the game, become a regular chica and have a normal relationship with a foreigner) but is having a difficult time trying to make a go of it.

You can't get out of the game because there is no where to go. Most Dominican women look like shit after age 30 so any any guy who actually has a novia there after a while will upgrade rather than stay with an over the hill chica.

[WickedWillie]

Not a chance of me ever calling her again.


As for her, she comes from a line of cousins/aunts playing this game so she knew exactly what she was doing and i know for a fact i'm not the only one she's been phishing with.

She was the one who made it more complicated than necessary. Like i said, i was gonna give her some money all along. If she'd got up to leave without asking, i woulda stopped her and put it in her bag. If she'd simply said "you were right, i'm here for a payday", i woulda said thank you for finally being honest and here you go. The only reason it got to that ridiculous point it did was her trying to play the square-chick role to the very end. I don't hand money over to square chicks. I pay for movies and dinner, but i don't put money in their bags. She wanted to walk away with both her "story" AND the money and no way in well was i gonna allow that to happen.

You were expecting honesty from a Dominican whore? That's funny

[JuanElGriego]

You were expecting honesty from a Dominican whore? That's funny

C'mon Willie, i've been in this game for 5+ years and you live down there so i know for a fact that both of us have come across plenty Dominican whores that weren't into lies or games but simply good service for a good payday. It's not fair to lump them all into the same group, both of us know better.

[JuanElGriego]

She wanted to play the long game and get short rate compensation. That's like "double dipping". Some times they catch the bear, some times the bear catches them.

This is an excellent way of describing what she was doing and exactly how i thought she was playing the game as well.

[WickedWillie]

C'mon Willie, i've been in this game for 5+ years and you live down there so i know for a fact that both of us have come across plenty Dominican whores that weren't into lies or games but simply good service for a good payday. It's not fair to lump them all into the same group, both of us know better.

Good point JEG, though I suspect that those that have crossed our paths and appeared to not be into lies or games with us, probably are into exactly that with other guys.

[JuanElGriego]

Good point JEG, though I suspect that those that have crossed our paths and appeared to not be into lies or games with us, probably are into exactly that with other guys.

Very true.

They get what they can from who they can.

The same chick that's straight up with me and on her best behavior is hitting up some other dude i know with requests for an Iphone and money to help her get a boob job. I told her from day one not to waste her time with nonsense with me and she's been nothing but cool. However, when she smells "sucker", she goes in for the kill.

This is what she sent a friend of mine ....

no se pork me falta dinero todavia,y lo de el tracero el me va a poner grasa de mi cuerpo como tu me dijiste,pero me falta un pokito mas de dinero,ayudame tu con algo aunque no sea mucho,porque le boy a pedir ayuda a todos mis amigos para conseguir el dinero que me falta,contestame para saber si me puedes ayudar y con cuanto

Meanwhile, she's never asked me for shit.

[JD426]

In Santaigo its a huge stigma to be a Puta, some will deny it to the end.
I think some even sucessfully convince themselves they are not whores who fuck us for money or gifts... A Gringo boyfriend is even frowned upon, cause everyone knows whats really going on there.
Are you no longer talking to her because she tried to play you, or because the attraction is jut not there anymore?...
IMO, and its just my .02, I think we are making a huge mistake when we try to interpret their actions & denials , with our American Value system. They just dont think the same way we do. Not saying you judged her, but maybe just maybe you slightly misinterpreted why she was playing this game & yes of course its a game.
I'm thinking the tears were real. She knew she was going to get the money either way, but she also knew you were gone after that , she was just trying to figure a way to save face, get the money, and keep you, and she knew it was not going to end that way.

[JuanElGriego]

Are you no longer talking to her because she tried to play you, or because the attraction is jut not there anymore.

I have nothing to say to her and obviously she has nothing to say to me since she hasn't called but even if she did, like you said, i aint feelin' her anymore. It was cute at first but i'm on vacation and need a chick that likes to get down and have fun, as Jimbo can attest to hanging with me for so many nights. Those fake-ass "proper chicks" can save themselves for guys looking for novias abroad. I'm not looking for that. I want a chick that will tear up the dance floor with me when "Sapito" comes on, not some Santiaguerra that thinks her shit don't stink cuz she doesn't hoe on PC (meanwhile she's hoing en Santiago de los Caballeros) but with dinner/drinks/regalos pendejos that really believe that pussy is on standby while they're back home.

I apologize in advance for my language but i'm seriously buzzed cuz i've been with my boys all afternoon pounding back red wine as they just got back from 10 days visiting Switzerland/France/Italy on a "regular" vacation.

[funseeker]

I imagine that all the experiences we have of chicas would make for one hell of an interesting read....

It involves the the urges of a man that takes action to satisfy them..... banging beautiful young women and the pysche of the puta..
Let's mix in emotions, girls that are new to the trade.. ones that wish to leave..

It really is a facinating lifestyle to which if compared to the general population,
Is a small group that is able to partake in.. one of which is a complete fantasy to most..

[gdogg]

I apologize in advance for my language but i'm seriously buzzed cuz i've been with my boys all afternoon pounding back red wine as they just got back from 10 days visiting Switzerland/France/Italy on a "regular" vacation.

Tell the truth...you're having an "Oscar" party. Ain't no shame in that.

[meatpack]

. She's young and attractive and can do well for herself by being upfront about what the deal is. I hope she decides to change how she operates but if she doesn't, it's not like she can say no one ever warned her.

gonna rant now!!

of late i have been asking myself these questions
? what do women see when they look at me, ?what is ``me"
? are women all whores with different modes of getting what they need

my thought is like this:
the last time any woman looked and saw ``me" was when i was less than 18yrs old , after that when they look they are gonna see ME+ money,social standing,etc so idon`t get uncomfortable or cynical when women say they love `me" because i KNOW it is me+accessories
lose that accessory u gonna hear alot about how u have ``CHANGED"

About the women they are all whores !!

toto is never FREE
AS LONG AS WE ARE ALWAYS BUYING
SELLER=HOE

honest ? dumb ones want their money now ,now -hookers
smart? mischievous ones think long term -marriage,common-law

your home girl belongs to the later category -not a dumb hoe ,aiming for that continuous revenue stream Iam not judging her but she seems to fail to realize sometimes we lose in game of life or ? the tears were realization of sense of loss dunno
think of women like your car dealer and toto like a car- ? would you like to rent same car check credit records ,car-body on return for damage EVERYDAY of the week OR
Sell it once and be done with it as in marriage`u break it u own it "

Iam not been cynical but it can work out sometimes - as in `common SHARED delusion" in full effect called`LOVE"

above recounted events by ELGRIEGO occurs when common shared delusion fails