05/2013 - The Director of Tourism ''speaks''

[BrooklynBeas]

I can see it now... all the cops in DR pull up in front of DLatins and every tourist gets taken away to the police station... the music stops and all the chicas looks at each other like, WHAT THE FUCK?!?!

Then the chicas all go marching away back to their rooms in the outskirts of Sosua like it's 3am and the music just stops on the strip... The next day, nothing is open and all the early bird mongers or the guys that found a good one early the night before find out what happened, call their airline, and fly home...


Someone let us know when this happens so we know it's time to stay away.. For now, its just talk... I'll believe it when I, or someone else on here actually see's it...

[Mr. Smooth]

This coinsides with what I read a few days ago in the Sosua news about the Brig. Gen. of the Tourist Police wanting to open a beach police stand, allegedly to improve the safety of all tourists while enjoying the beach.

If that was to happen, whats to stop a beach crackdown on the chicas walking back and forth, eyeballing any gringos for a potential business transaction? That sort of "people watching" may be drastically reduced. To stop the prostitution activities as they are currently practiced, the only way I see that happening is to shut down the venues where it's going on, meaning the bars. If they are shut down, there is no venue to "advertise", and if the girls are rousted or arrested on the beach, (and possibly the gringo?) where would they go? Not to mention the massive amount of tax revenue that those bars generate for the government.

The consequences of this for gringos is that we stop coming in the numbers we do, our money gets spent someplace else and all the chicas that depend on our remissions for their day to day living (surviving??) would have no alternative but to subsist on their Dominican hombres who might be willing to part with 500 pesos on a Saturday night.

This all seems to me like the "ruling class" of which every country has one, making the rules to benefit themselves at the expense of their unwashed masses who are simply trying to live day to day by whatever means they can.

Hey SeaWeed, you got any room left on that Jamaican bandwagon? If this all goes down in the DR, you're going to need a bigger boat to haul everyone's ass over to your place for jerk chicken, Red Stripes and those JA track stars!

Hell.....I dig Marley!!!

[JuanElGriego]

So are they gonna stop me from going to the beach and invite a girl over to my place for a drink and spend the night, after which I may give her a couple of thousand pesos to help her with her rent. I don't see them stopping the escort services from letting you have an hour of "companionship" with a girl here.

As Eldorob said, nothing will make both hoes and mongers disappear faster than a couple of mongers being taken in simply to make a point. No one in their right mind would go there even if the worst that happens is a night in jail. Even if some guys insisted on going there, there wouldn't be nearly enough of them to make the chicas want to be there. Its hard enough for the girls to pick up a trick when Sosua is packed never mind when there's hardly any dudes there. Maybe some desperate fuglies would still show up. And if someone is just gonna hook up with favoritas from his cell or new contacts thru fb or whatever, there's way better places in DR to do that than a ghost town version of Sosua.

[hugrad95a]

I would still go to the tumble weed town

[BrooklynBeas]

I would still go to the tumble weed town

Not me...

Although my last couple of trips were about vacation, relaxing, having some drinks, chillin with the fellas, and then when I felt the urge, grabbed a few chicas.. If I knew there was a slim chance I would be picked up by the cops for just hanging on the beach, because I may want to partake in a lil somethin something with a chica later on in the day, there is no way I would go there... So im sitting at Ruby's bar having some beers and because I am hanging with "known monger ex-pats" or "look like a monger", I am gonna do a night in jail...??? Oh hell no... I will find another place to go with the quickness... Right now, Sosua is very convenient for someone flying out of NY, and that's what makes it the easy choice to make when I want a quick getaway... Hell fuckin no if there is a good chance i would get extorted or have to do jailtime for nothing...

[j_d66]

Conventional wisdom would dictate that if they can't prove you are doing nothing wrong they can't haul you off to jail.

The big problemo in the DR appears to be that you can be completely innocent or even a victim and still find your way into a Dominican jail cell with coughing up some dinero as the only way to get yourself out.

That is a scary thought but until I see it happen for real I won't stop coming.

Hell they are predicting the possibility of more Hurricanes this year so one of them might hit Sosua so we shouldn't go because one might hit there.

I like Sosua because it is not the big touristy type place that Punta Cana is.

People are miffed because the price of a beer went up a few pesos.

You convert Sosua into a non monger friendly destination and you will see prices go up big time

Perhaps they are just putting out the fear propaganda.

Perhaps we won't see the chicas on display like we used to but I don't see it going away anytime soon as there are to many that depend on the how Sosua currently is.

If all dries up, we will find someplace else to go for sure.
I'm gonna continue to live my life on the fun side as long as my health and pocketbook allow me to do so.

Life is to damn short

[The Sage]

I told one of my childhood mentors about my trips. His response was a somewhat jestfull, "You going to a poor country exploiting poor women". I said to him, "Not quite true. Most of the time it feels like they're exploiting me".

A female friend of mines always say that I am taken advantage of those poor girls in DR or Brazil. I always tell her there is no section 8, no food stamps, no one shot deal, no social security, no public schools, no jobs etc. I say too her if she was born in DR what would she be doing? I always get a "But .....

[MrHappy]

There's prostitution going on at every tourist destination I can think of. The problem they have with the sex tourism going on in So-Sewer is that it's on full blast all the time gets too much bad press from all around the World. This is mostly because many of the guys who head there act like sailors on shore leave after 3 months at sea.

It's funny. When you go to most Caribbean sex tourist destinations, unless your looking for it the trade is going on right in front of you and all around you and you'd never know. It's embarrassing how many years I went to Aruba and in Particular St Nic. before I found the Ho's. The powers that be in the D.R. are aware that if done correctly they can have family tourism AND sex tourism in the same region. The key is image integrity. Same reason management turns their heads when a thousand-dollar-a-night hooker turns tricks in the Lobby Bar of the Mandarin Oriental Hotel but won't let a $50 Ho in the door.

In the hospitality business image is everything.

That is EXACTLY the problem. Kids in a candy shop mentality. And that has come from every idiot and his uncle not only acting like a horny sailors, but then throwing up videos on youtube for the whole world to see.

[eldorob]

So are they gonna stop me from going to the beach and invite a girl over to my place for a drink and spend the night, after which I may give her a couple of thousand pesos to help her with her rent. I don't see them stopping the escort services from letting you have an hour of "companionship" with a girl here.

It's anybodys guess as to what their tactics might be, but it appears the police are going to be involved. So most likely harrasment of gringos. If it starts, I would want to be very discreet.

Don't forget, they toyed around a little with "Gringo Harrasment" about a year ago

[mistertonite]

I wonder if they (the police) would scout hotels to see if chicas are going in to meet with clients? Then come raiding the johns rooms. I mean, if trying to be discreet, one would have to try and avoid being seen with a chica in the street. We who have numbers of our favoritas can call them and have them come to the tely. But this can also be tough if hotels are gonna be scouted. Damn...shit just got real.

[El-Rey]

This is being overthought gentlemen... There is this thing called the Dominoe effect. As soon as Gringos are arrested for prostitution or there are more chicas in jail then in the street then things will change and when the economy falls fast and furiously (Tourism is a big part of RD and most is sex tourism) Then the people will realize that they are idiots and will offer two for one whores after 10pm. For example, People think that the domestic violence crackdown was due to OJ simpson.. NO, He nationalized it and made us aware. Tracy Thurman is the reason DV laws changed, what she went through and when she sued the state of CT every one became aware that shit is real. When RD realizes shit is real without Prostitutes they will change their tune pretty quick.

[Leche]

I am not too concerned about this. I am a very low-key guy. I go to the club, grab a girl, chill, go to the hotel, take a shower together, have sex, chit chat, watch TV, fuck again, and she is on her way the next morning. I do not want to grab too much unwanted attention from others. I have seen a few mongerers get too drunk, throw a beer bottle, yell at a chica, carry thousands of pesos in their wallet, and wear more gold that my ex-wife ever did (LOL). Stuff like that is just asking for trouble and unwanted attention. As long as we respect their culture and laws and stay low-key, we should be fine.

[jose1234]

I am not too concerned about this. I am a very low-key guy. I go to the club, grab a girl, chill, go to the hotel, take a shower together, have sex, chit chat, watch TV, fuck again, and she is on her way the next morning. I do not want to grab too much unwanted attention from others. I have seen a few mongerers get too drunk, throw a beer bottle, yell at a chica, carry thousands of pesos in their wallet, and wear more gold that my ex-wife ever did (LOL). Stuff like that is just asking for trouble and unwanted attention. As long as we respect their culture and laws and stay low-key, we should be fine.

Fuck this politically correct North American cultured bull shit... Most North Americans I meet lately (mostly non ISOCers) are repressed bitter angry wimps with defeat and wimpiness written on their forehead. But what you say not to do is secretly what many of us really want to do! I have a few more ideas...how about dropping your pants in the bar and giving 500 pesos to the first chica that kisses your ass, with her tongue... How about screaming as loud as you can, I want to fuck them all!!! How about them showing you their tits and letting you rub their bald pussy in the middle of the bar and freaking smiling and swearing and dry humping every chica that wants to walk past you and get your pesos???

[dquick]

I am not too concerned about this. I am a very low-key guy. I go to the club, grab a girl, chill, go to the hotel, take a shower together, have sex, chit chat, watch TV, fuck again, and she is on her way the next morning. I do not want to grab too much unwanted attention from others. I have seen a few mongerers get too drunk, throw a beer bottle, yell at a chica, carry thousands of pesos in their wallet, and wear more gold that my ex-wife ever did (LOL). Stuff like that is just asking for trouble and unwanted attention. As long as we respect their culture and laws and stay low-key, we should be fine.

So how many low key girls have spent the night in jail for prostitution in Sosua? How many non Putas have been arrested for walking down PC?

If police in Sosua start arresting Gringos like they do Putas, nobody is safe. But it would surprise me if they go that far. A cop at night can't tell the difference between a New Garden guest looking for a Puta and a Casa Marina AI guest just out for a late night drink. And what about an Ex Pat out for a drink? If the police start harrassing gringos, everybody will be effected. Not just mongers.

BUT with that said, it would not be the first time I saw something stupid done in the DR.

[Westy]

I would love to hear from the businessmen of Sosua - those who visit ISOC and know us - as to what they think of this situation.

You know - Plaso, DaFishGuy, SopranoStingray, El Rey, and my apologies to any others that I didn't cite by handle.

Yeah, maybe I'm thin-skinned, or pessimistic, or whatever. But even if I no longer have to protect my security clearance from getting besmirched by my foreign travels in search of punani ... I'm allergic to the notion of being locked up in the hoosegow, for asking a chica if she'd trade honey for money.

Greydread, what is your vision of "monger Sosua" surviving in parallel with "Disney Sosua?" Would Passions survive? How about FOD? I'm ready to rule out the bars on Pedro Clisante, from Bar Bermuda to the old Classico's, as being targets as finely-targeted as the 'Ground Zero Cafe' in the center of the green space inside the inner ring of the Pentagon. And I confess it, I am futterly-uckin' clueless about 'what to look for,' when it comes to ferreting out some pay-per-screw action outside of the Sewer we call Sosua.

[dquick]

Fuck this politically correct North American cultured bull shit... Most North Americans I meet lately (mostly non ISOCers) are repressed bitter angry wimps with defeat and wimpiness written on their forehead. But what you say not to do is secretly what many of us really want to do! I have a few more ideas...how about dropping your pants in the bar and giving 500 pesos to the first chica that kisses your ass, with her tongue... How about screaming as loud as you can, I want to fuck them all!!! How about them showing you their tits and letting you rub their bald pussy in the middle of the bar and freaking smiling and swearing and dry humping every chica that wants to walk past you and get your pesos???

I don't remember seeing you in March

Guess I was too drunk....

[jose1234]

I think this whole situation is a bit interesting from another perspective. I have met Lorenzo, the new head of tourism a few years ago when I came to the DR. He ate at my tenant's restaurant and we talked a bit together. He has been in Cabarete maybe 28 years and before anything really was here. He is originally from Italy and for those who know Cabarete, he originally owned the land which is now called Pro-Cab. So, he has made his money here. He seems pretty straight and lectured me telling me that I need to pay my taxes and do everything by the book with my business.

What I find most interesting will be how he gets along with the Dominican people here when he starts stepping on people's shoes... He seems relatively smart but from what I can see, Gringos are here for their money and not to run the country, even if he is now a resident... My guess is if he is successful, he will end up moving the puta business down the road to the east side of town past where it was 10 years ago, but we shall see... The future effects of his future actions is highly speculative...

[Irie]

Fuck this politically correct North American cultured bull shit... Most North Americans I meet lately (mostly non ISOCers) are repressed bitter angry wimps with defeat and wimpiness written on their forehead. But what you say not to do is secretly what many of us really want to do! I have a few more ideas...how about dropping your pants in the bar and giving 500 pesos to the first chica that kisses your ass, with her tongue... How about screaming as loud as you can, I want to fuck them all!!! How about them showing you their tits and letting you rub their bald pussy in the middle of the bar and freaking smiling and swearing and dry humping every chica that wants to walk past you and get your pesos???

Please say out loud "motherfucker!"

.......just once for me. Go ohmmmm, GO!

[Westy]

Fuck this politically correct North American cultured bull shit... Most North Americans I meet lately (mostly non ISOCers) are repressed bitter angry wimps with defeat and wimpiness written on their forehead.

I guess that includes me, Ohmmmm.

[Apos]

I won't be shocked if someone shoots him.

If he actually attempts to do like they're saying he's going to be fucking with some tough connected people who have allegedly had people killed in the past.

I wouldn't take his position for any amount of money or potential power...

I think this whole situation is a bit interesting from another perspective. I have met Lorenzo, the new head of tourism a few years ago when I came to the DR. He ate at my tenant's restaurant and we talked a bit together. He has been in Cabarete maybe 28 years and before anything really was here. He is originally from Italy and for those who know Cabarete, he originally owned the land which is now called Pro-Cab. So, he has made his money here. He seems pretty straight and lectured me telling me that I need to pay my taxes and do everything by the book with my business.

What I find most interesting will be how he gets along with the Dominican people here when he starts stepping on people's shoes... He seems relatively smart but from what I can see, Gringos are here for their money and not to run the country, even if he is now a resident... My guess is if he is successful, he will end up moving the puta business down the road to the east side of town past where it was 10 years ago, but we shall see... The future effects of his future actions is highly speculative...