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    Question for MrHappy

    How is jurisdiction decided between the Politur and the Policia Nacional? I assume the most serious crimes would be handled by the National Police. But street fights and such I wonder about. I have seen both agencies making arrests in the street ect..

    Which one has more "juice"?
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    Re: Question for MrHappy

    What I was told last night is that the Policia Nacional is the "Dominican police force" and the Politur is the police for all foreigners. If someone breaks into my house I should call the Politur. I am assuming this pertains to crimes committed against foreigners and not to crimes committed by foreigners because I know the National Police arrest foreigners all the time.

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    Re: Question for MrHappy

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert13212 View Post
    What I was told last night is that the Policia Nacional is the "Dominican police force" and the Politur is the police for all foreigners. If someone breaks into my house I should call the Politur. I am assuming this pertains to crimes committed against foreigners and not to crimes committed by foreigners because I know the National Police arrest foreigners all the time.

    My mother is a former Policia Nacional, many many moons ago, from what I've been told by her. The Politur are police for tourist, in tourist sections. IE the name Politur. Take example in SD, there's a Politur station on the corner off the street on the main strip in El Conde, I'm sure if some tourist are being hassled, have a crime to complain, or whatever that's who they'd take it up with, my understanding is that they're basically there to make sure tourist stay in one piece, but that they really don't have much power, outside of the pockets of which they're in. The PN, however is the national Dominican police force, and are regular cops just like anywhere else. Politur are there to make sure tourist are fine, but someone like yourself who lives there, and isn't a tourist, would probably be better off going to the PN (although you're really never better off involving them in ANY matter.) It's not like something where the police force is broken into two different sets, the ones for foreigners, and the ones for Dominicans. It's like the politur have a presence in high gringo areas, but don't have much juice or power in comparison to the PN.

    This is my basic understanding of how it is, maybe someone else can chime in.



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    Re: Question for MrHappy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanzo View Post
    My mother is a former Policia Nacional, many many moons ago, from what I've been told by her. The Politur are police for tourist, in tourist sections. IE the name Politur. Take example in SD, there's a Politur station on the corner off the street on the main strip in El Conde, I'm sure if some tourist are being hassled, have a crime to complain, or whatever that's who they'd take it up with, my understanding is that they're basically there to make sure tourist stay in one piece, but that they really don't have much power, outside of the pockets of which they're in. The PN, however is the national Dominican police force, and are regular cops just like anywhere else. Politur are there to make sure tourist are fine, but someone like yourself who lives there, and isn't a tourist, would probably be better off going to the PN (although you're really never better off involving them in ANY matter.) It's not like something where the police force is broken into two different sets, the ones for foreigners, and the ones for Dominicans. It's like the politur have a presence in high gringo areas, but don't have much juice or power in comparison to the PN.

    This is my basic understanding of how it is, maybe someone else can chime in.
    Getting the National Police to respond/react to anything is pretty much like playing pool with a wet noodle, unless it's a major crime where they have no choice but to get involved.

    I have had a lot of experiences with them due to robberies, break ins, and other minor crimes, and basically, they are very reluctant to get involved. Even if you throw money at them, that will only get requests for more money.

    If you have an accident, they will drive by without even stopping, unless it involves serious injury or death.

    The problem with the National Police is considered to be one of the biggest issues the country faces, as evidenced in various polls done by the local media.

    Once again, I'm only talking about the National Police.

    For the most part, getting help from any branch of law enforcement here is pretty much a non event. Anyone visiting here would be well advised to keep your wits about you, and your spidey sense set on high to avoid situations from happening in the first place.
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    Re: Question for MrHappy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    Getting the National Police to respond/react to anything is pretty much like playing pool with a wet noodle, unless it's a major crime where they have no choice but to get involved.

    I have had a lot of experiences with them due to robberies, break ins, and other minor crimes, and basically, they are very reluctant to get involved. Even if you throw money at them, that will only get requests for more money.

    If you have an accident, they will drive by without even stopping, unless it involves serious injury or death.

    The problem with the National Police is considered to be one of the biggest issues the country faces, as evidenced in various polls done by the local media.

    Once again, I'm only talking about the National Police.

    For the most part, getting help from any branch of law enforcement here is pretty much a non event. Anyone visiting here would be well advised to keep your wits about you, and your spidey sense set on high to avoid situations from happening in the first place.

    I think I read a news article posted on DR1 a couple of years ago that pretty much summed up how one should deal with law enforcement in DR. A foreigner who lived in DR (I can't recall which city.) was the victim of a home robbery while he was out. When he went to the police station to report the crime, he handed them a list of everything that was taken from his home (all pretty expensive things.) The police force looks at this list, and realizes this guy must have money, as not only is he a "gringo" but look at all the nice stuff that was taken from his home. A couple days later the dude is the victim of a home invasion. Can you guys who were the gentlemen so kind enough to pay him a visit? A couple cops from the station house he reported the crime too, they went there looking to see if there were any more nice things to take.

    If a story like this doesn't make you want to avoid PN at all cost, I don't know what will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanzo View Post
    I think I read a news article posted on DR1 a couple of years ago that pretty much summed up how one should deal with law enforcement in DR. A foreigner who lived in DR (I can't recall which city.) was the victim of a home robbery while he was out. When he went to the police station to report the crime, he handed them a list of everything that was taken from his home (all pretty expensive things.) The police force looks at this list, and realizes this guy must have money, as not only is he a "gringo" but look at all the nice stuff that was taken from his home. A couple days later the dude is the victim of a home invasion. Can you guys who were the gentlemen so kind enough to pay him a visit? A couple cops from the station house he reported the crime too, they went there looking to see if there were any more nice things to take.

    If a story like this doesn't make you want to avoid PN at all cost, I don't know what will.
    All you have to do is follow the la Mulatta case in Sosua. Strikingly different, because this time, the Procurador went after the police who pulled off the raid.

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    I think only because the German embassy was putting a lot of pressure on the DR government to get to the bottom of what transpired. Otherwise it would have been swept under the rug.



    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    All you have to do is follow the la Mulatta case in Sosua. Strikingly different, because this time, the Procurador went after the police who pulled off the raid.

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    Re: Question for MrHappy

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sage View Post
    I think only because the German embassy was putting a lot of pressure on the DR government to get to the bottom of what transpired. Otherwise it would have been swept under the rug.
    Or, not because robberies were committed but that shares of the proceedings were not passed up the hierarchy in the accepted manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weyland View Post
    Or, not because robberies were committed but that shares of the proceedings were not passed up the hierarchy in the accepted manner.
    Maybe it will keep crazy dickheads from coming to the Island of Hispaniola (Haiti and the Dominican Republic).

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    Re: Question for MrHappy

    I have noticed the PN will sit back and watch. I have seen them stand by while fights happen and pull off expecting the politur to handle it. I also have had many Dominicans tell me the PN aren't important. To be exact "He is police, he aint nobody. they not gon do anything"..
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    Re: Question for MrHappy

    And don't expect any quick turnaround from the US Embassy...

    I speak from personal experience they will bog you down with SOO much paperwork that you will eventually forget the reason why you entered the building.

    I even went soo far as to tell them its your JOB to fucking help American citizens to which without batting an eye they replied...




    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    Getting the National Police to respond/react to anything is pretty much like playing pool with a wet noodle, unless it's a major crime where they have no choice but to get involved.

    I have had a lot of experiences with them due to robberies, break ins, and other minor crimes, and basically, they are very reluctant to get involved. Even if you throw money at them, that will only get requests for more money.

    If you have an accident, they will drive by without even stopping, unless it involves serious injury or death.

    The problem with the National Police is considered to be one of the biggest issues the country faces, as evidenced in various polls done by the local media.

    Once again, I'm only talking about the National Police.

    For the most part, getting help from any branch of law enforcement here is pretty much a non event. Anyone visiting here would be well advised to keep your wits about you, and your spidey sense set on high to avoid situations from happening in the first place.

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    Re: Question for MrHappy

    Quote Originally Posted by WSJ3 View Post
    And don't expect any quick turnaround from the US Embassy...

    I speak from personal experience they will bog you down with SOO much paperwork that you will eventually forget the reason why you entered the building.

    I even went soo far as to tell them its your JOB to fucking help American citizens to which without batting an eye they replied...

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    They are limited to being observers. If you are arrested (seriously arrested) they will visit you in jail to make sure you still have your arms and legs, and ask if you want them to contact somebody for you.

    In the vast majority of cases, that's it.

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    Re: Question for MrHappy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    They are limited to being observers. If you are arrested (seriously arrested) they will visit you in jail to make sure you still have your arms and legs, and ask if you want them to contact somebody for you.

    In the vast majority of cases, that's it.
    Exactly which amounts to a hill of beans...what the fuck I am getting ass raped by Pedro and his machete toting posse and the US Embassy asks me if I want more Anal EZ to help dull the pain of the nightly rapes...


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    Quote Originally Posted by WSJ3 View Post
    Exactly which amounts to a hill of beans...what the fuck I am getting ass raped by Pedro and his machete toting posse and the US Embassy asks me if I want more Anal EZ to help dull the pain of the nightly rapes...

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    I don't know about you, but if I got arrested, and one of those clowns showed up at the jail to check on me and contact whoever I want, I'd be pretty glad to see them.

    Any Embassy has to and will respect the laws of the host country. It's like that where ever you go, big guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    I don't know about you, but if I got arrested, and one of those clowns showed up at the jail to check on me and contact whoever I want, I'd be pretty glad to see them.

    Any Embassy has to and will respect the laws of the host country. It's like that where ever you go, big guy.
    That is 100% correct I am just saying that they are NOT looking out for your best interests.

    Yeah they will contact my family for me so that I can pay the billion dollar bribe to get out of the country. Thanks US embassy.

    I go there with my paperwork for a routine procedure and they tell me my name should be spelled differently come back tomorrow its lunch time.

    I told them I don't live here this is cutting into my time and they replied...

    WAIT FOR IT

    NO IMPORTA

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    Quote Originally Posted by WSJ3 View Post
    That is 100% correct I am just saying that they are NOT looking out for your best interests.

    Yeah they will contact my family for me so that I can pay the billion dollar bribe to get out of the country. Thanks US embassy.

    I go there with my paperwork for a routine procedure and they tell me my name should be spelled differently come back tomorrow its lunch time.

    I told them I don't live here this is cutting into my time and they replied...

    WAIT FOR IT

    NO IMPORTA
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    Quote Originally Posted by WSJ3 View Post
    That is 100% correct I am just saying that they are NOT looking out for your best interests.

    Yeah they will contact my family for me so that I can pay the billion dollar bribe to get out of the country. Thanks US embassy.

    I go there with my paperwork for a routine procedure and they tell me my name should be spelled differently come back tomorrow its lunch time.

    I told them I don't live here this is cutting into my time and they replied...

    WAIT FOR IT

    NO IMPORTA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert13212 View Post
    How is jurisdiction decided between the Politur and the Policia Nacional? I assume the most serious crimes would be handled by the National Police. But street fights and such I wonder about. I have seen both agencies making arrests in the street ect..

    Which one has more "juice"?

    Here's the Policia National in action:

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    Wow I have seen them shoot people in the streets in Santiago...this guy was showing restraint for this video.

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    One night on p.c. two politur were fighting a haiten. Pn in all black came behind haiten choke him unconscious, maybe dead. Put him on a moto. Sat behind him. N kept choking him...
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