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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    The problem with that logic is that it compares US businesses which were profitable for decades, 40, 50 years or more (with the exception of Enron and Edsel isn't a company, it was a model and Ford, its manufacturer is still very much in business, BTW. Same goes for your Oldsmobile/GM example) against Dominican businesses which have lasted less than a decade because they exist in a throwaway society.

    In most of the Caribbean it is perfectly safe to drink tap water and the rivers don't flood the sea with garbage every time it rains.
    Pacos at el conde, in business at least since the 1970s. Clinica Abreu since 1941 (seventy three years in business in Santo Domingo, http://clinicaabreu.com.do/). Vesuvio restaurant 60 years, http://www.vesuvio.com.do/ .

    Oldsmobile was a company under the GM brand, that is no more.

    Photo of Pacos from the 1970s. Photo of the El Embajador Hotel from 1955 (still in business and recently got improvements). Supermercado Nacional since at least the 1970s, new nice stores in Santo Domingo currently. Photo of the Hotel Hamaca from 1951, added suites, another pool and other improvements in the last ten years.
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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

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    Do you remember the Group dance show they used to put on at Lapsus ? Chicas would be dressed in those Cheezy but fun Nurses or Fireman outfits. and then you pick one to come to your table after the group is finished and she would give you the Lapdance of a lifetime, then you could do take out .... God, I miss that place... the waiter was a crooked little fucker but they always would treat you like VIP in there.
    Im guessing you probably had a chance to hit Remington Palace also back then ?

    That Pool shot of the Jaragua.. Nice.. It was a bitch sneaking the girls in though at the Jaragua, the towers were almost impossible, the Garden units in the back not so bad. Hit or miss .
    The Melia was damn near impossible though..
    What time of year did you usually go ? Hope you hit the Merangue Festivals at end of July, that was the shit back then...
    I have hit up Santo Domingo during every month of the year and each "season" had ne wonders to enjoy. The 1st night of each trip usually included "the show" at Lapsus and midnight espresso at Manolo to watch the action on the Ave Independencia Puta stroll followed by a run through the Jaragua Casino and its band shows. I really miss the old days there and there isn't anything comparable now.

    Any time there was a big boxing match on La Base was the place to watch while dining and boozing al fresco and March Madness and NFL Playoffs were taken in at Eagle Sports Bar and the 5 Star Sports Bar.

    This new thing with malls and Hooters and the myriad of clone franchises from the USA is sickening to me. I remember when the Dominican travel experience was authentic and now it might as well be a trip to Ohio which is why I prefer the barrios now. I'm a lot more likely to dine at Segura than Hard Rock.

    My 1st trip was on 26 Feb and I was hooked after an all night all day experience (before the curfew) unlike any other.
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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    The problem with that logic is that it compares US businesses which were profitable for decades, 40, 50 years or more (with the exception of Enron and Edsel isn't a company, it was a model and Ford, its manufacturer is still very much in business, BTW. Same goes for your Oldsmobile/GM example) against Dominican businesses which have lasted less than a decade because they exist in a throwaway society.

    In most of the Caribbean it is perfectly safe to drink tap water and the rivers don't flood the sea with garbage every time it rains.
    Thanks.

    From wiki; "List of defunct automobile manufacturers of the United States": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States (maybe over 100 names on the list, including Edsel).

    "The Ford Motor Company lost millions of dollars on the Edsel's development, manufacturing and marketing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    Pacos at el conde, in business at least since the 1970s. Clinica Abreu since 1941 (seventy three years in business in Santo Domingo, http://clinicaabreu.com.do/). Vesuvio restaurant 60 years, http://www.vesuvio.com.do/ .

    Oldsmobile was a company under the GM brand, that is no more.

    Photo of Pacos from the 1970s. Photo of the El Embajador Hotel from 1955 (still in business and recently got improvements). Supermercado Nacional since at least the 1970s, new nice stores in Santo Domingo currently. Photo of the Hotel Hamaca from 1951, added suites, another pool and other improvements in the last ten years.


    Caswell-Massey in Newport RI opened in 1752

    Bakers's Chocolate was founded in 1765, now owned by Kraft

    Ames tool company was founded in 1774 now owned by Griffon Mgmt. and Holding Co. Camp Hill PA

    Jim Beam (VA,KY) sold their 1st barrel of whiskey in 1795 and survived prohibition

    Crane Paper Co (MA) has been in business since 1799 and has supplied paper for the U S Treasury since 1879

    DuPont (DE) has been in business since 1802

    Colgate started in NYC in 1806

    Pfaltzgraff got started in 1811 and is now part of Lifetime Brands

    All of the above are still viable brands and all you've got is two Dominican hotels? How many times has the DR changed ownership since the newest of these companies has been in business?

    None of that speaks to the point that the Dominican Republic is a HORRIBLE business environment and all it's going to take is one well publicized gun battle between drug lords to rip the asshole out of the tourism industry (see Mexico) and eliminate half the country's economy in about a day. They think they're poor now? They'll be eating Soylent Green after that shit happens!

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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    Thanks.

    From wiki; "List of defunct automobile manufacturers of the United States": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States (maybe over 100 names on the list, including Edsel).

    "The Ford Motor Company lost millions of dollars on the Edsel's development, manufacturing and marketing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel

    ...and the Ford Motor Company made tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars on the development, manufacturing and marketing of the MUSTANG since it's rollout in 1964. You win some battles and you lose some but the company has been in business since 1903.

    What Dominican Auto Manufacturer has operated since 1903, no, wait, what Dominican Business not named "Listin Diario" was even in operation when Henry Ford started manufacturing automobiles? Not counting Cuban defectors who bolted in the 60's for the D.R. when threatened by Castro. Go and Rage Google dat!

    ...take your time...

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    Oh I have no doubt that the D.R. is changing. The question is will it change for the better and I believe not. All those "improvements" you've mentioned have come from two sources: IMF loans and Drug Money laundering and neither will have any long term benefit for the economy.

    As long as the public schools keep pushing out waves of young adults who are functionally illiterate with no discernible job skills there will continue to be crime, corruption and all the other symptoms of a society to which the only laws applicable are the laws of entropy. What good is a built up tourism industry if the tourists are afraid to come as the vacation horror stories mount. I will never forget the couple that I met from Indiana or Ohio or somewhere in the Midwest on my 1st trip who detailed their experience of being stopped by police as they were riding on the highway en route from Santiago and robbed at gunpoint, surrendering their cash but salvaging their credit cards through a hystrionic display of courage by a middle aged Presbyterian White Lady who swore for the 1st time in her life in reaction to her fist look down the barrel of a gun.

    For all the new construction, the malls and restaurants that very few Dominicans can afford and the hotels which were built in the hopes that "they will come...." the Dominican Republic remains the place where stealing and lying are socially acceptable behaviors, even job skills in the tourism sector and the lives, love and labors of the majority are as cheap as dust. In response, that majority despoils the land, steals their electricity and presses its Daughters to turn their asses into a source of income in the midst of the squalor from whence they came, preparing them by urging them to flaunt their asses at the age of 15, accepting mass unwed teen pregnancy as a natural fact of life and throwing their garbage into the street as a method of cleaning their cars. After all car washes are for shooting pool, drinking beer and getting blowjobs.

    Now that the IMF and the world bank are directing the country's economic policy and the DEA is bottlenecking the drugs which once flowed through the D.R. unfettered while they concentrated on the larger problems in Colombia and Mexico the increase in drug use by Dominicans youth is compounding their social ills and what we've seen happen as Mexico's internal drug trade bloomed into a full on civil war is a look into the future of the once lovely island of Hispaniola. Add to that equation thousands of deportees whose only skills were honed in the drug trade, cat houses and prisons of the USA and other developed nations and I believe that we may be looking at a perfect storm which will blow at full force as soon as the banks come into compliance with the accountability stipulations attached to all that IMF money that funded those wonderful projects which you mentioned and which add zero revenue, instead require budgets going forward for operation and maintenance from an internal economy which is sitting and waiting with baited breath for a crush of tourists who will never arrive.

    A dollar invested in the Dominican Republic is two dollars lost.
    Drug use in the DR? I really don't see it. Probably biggest consumers of cocaine are people in the US and Europe (a comedian, maybe Richard Pryor once said, Cocaine is God's way of saying you have too much money). The number of famous Americans who have died as a result of cocaine, you can easily think of numerous.

    I have walked around all hours of the day and night in Santo Domingo and never felt afraid or threatened. I have driven all hours of the day and night in the DR and never had a serious problem.

    You can go and live off the grid somewhere, away from everyone and anything, if that is your utopia.

    Construction workers got paid for working on the various projects that have been completed in the last ten years. People work on the subways, people will work in the new hotels and residences. New highways and roads are safer, less people will die.

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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    ...and the Ford Motor Company made tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars on the development, manufacturing and marketing of the MUSTANG since it's rollout in 1964. You win some battles and you lose some but the company has been in business since 1903.

    What Dominican Auto Manufacturer has operated since 1903, no, wait, what Dominican Business not named "Listin Diario" was even in operation when Henry Ford started manufacturing automobiles? Not counting Cuban defectors who bolted in the 60's for the D.R. when threatened by Castro. Go and Rage Google dat!

    ...take your time...
    And the US Government had to bail out the US Auto Industry in the last ten years as it also had to bail out the Financial Industry.

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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Ummmm......

    Do you really want the economy to improve in the DR too much? If it did and you had douboe digit economic growth, you would also have double digit growth in the price of pussy. (Take Brazil for example.)

    What you want is enough mo ey coming into the economy to pay for basic services like POLICE, but not so much money that some do gooder politician starts giving out welfare checks or JOBS to potential putas.

    This balance is not perfect, but the current group of politicians in DR seem to be keeping the status quo. So once in a while they have to do a crackdown for the international community. But they leave the root conditions the same which allow our hobby to flurish.

    One last note. I predict the exchange rate will hit 45:1 by the end of 2014.

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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    ...and the Ford Motor Company made tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars on the development, manufacturing and marketing of the MUSTANG since it's rollout in 1964. You win some battles and you lose some but the company has been in business since 1903.

    What Dominican Auto Manufacturer has operated since 1903, no, wait, what Dominican Business not named "Listin Diario" was even in operation when Henry Ford started manufacturing automobiles? Not counting Cuban defectors who bolted in the 60's for the D.R. when threatened by Castro. Go and Rage Google dat!

    ...take your time...
    "Pinto Madness. For seven years the Ford Motor Company sold cars in which it knew hundreds of people would needlessly burn to death." http://www.motherjones.com/politics/.../pinto-madness

    Name me a Dominican Company that produced cars that it knew would have people burn to death in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    Drug use in the DR? I really don't see it. Probably biggest consumers of cocaine are people in the US and Europe (a comedian, maybe Richard Pryor once said, Cocaine is God's way of saying you have too much money). The number of famous Americans who have died as a result of cocaine, you can easily think of numerous.

    I have walked around all hours of the day and night in Santo Domingo and never felt afraid or threatened. I have driven all hours of the day and night in the DR and never had a serious problem.

    You can go and live off the grid somewhere, away from everyone and anything, if that is your utopia.

    Construction workers got paid for working on the various projects that have been completed in the last ten years. People work on the subways, people will work in the new hotels and residences. New highways and roads are safer, less people will die.
    Wow! We've got a member who's smarter than the entire State Department.....not

    https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentRe...aspx?cid=14200

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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    "Pinto Madness. For seven years the Ford Motor Company sold cars in which it knew hundreds of people would needlessly burn to death." http://www.motherjones.com/politics/.../pinto-madness

    Name me a Dominican Company that produced cars that it knew would have people burn to death in?
    Is this some kind of trick?

    IF there was a Dominican Auto Manufacturer they would ONLY produce cars that burn people to death.

    That's why there are no Dominican Auto Manufacturers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    And the US Government had to bail out the US Auto Industry in the last ten years as it also had to bail out the Financial Industry.
    ...and the IMF had to bail out the Dominican economy because the Dominican Government couldn't "bail out" a fucking bodega.

    You're pissing straight into the wind here and it's making you all wet.

    There's no way you're going to convince anyone not on drugs that the Dominican Republic has a viable economy without the help of the developed nations, especially the USA

    http://justf.org/Country?country=Dominican_Republic

    Sell that bullshit down the street.

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    Ummmm......

    Do you really want the economy to improve in the DR too much? If it did and you had douboe digit economic growth, you would also have double digit growth in the price of pussy. (Take Brazil for example.)

    What you want is enough mo ey coming into the economy to pay for basic services like POLICE, but not so much money that some do gooder politician starts giving out welfare checks or JOBS to potential putas.

    This balance is not perfect, but the current group of politicians in DR seem to be keeping the status quo. So once in a while they have to do a crackdown for the international community. But they leave the root conditions the same which allow our hobby to flurish.

    One last note. I predict the exchange rate will hit 45:1 by the end of 2014.
    Yeah

    There's nothing like cheap Dominican Punani



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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Here's an economy on the uptick...

    We all like pictures, right?








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    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    Wow! We've got a member who's smarter than the entire State Department.....not

    https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentRe...aspx?cid=14200
    Personal insults no problem, we can have this conversation in person any time you want.

    Seems maybe you believe that the people who inhabit the Dominican part of the island of Hispaniola are somehow some separate and distinct species of inferior human being. Goes to the breadth and depth of your intellect

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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    Yeah

    There's nothing like cheap Dominican Punani


    Click to see pic
    Not much different than what Europe and the United States looked like not too long along.

    I guess it takes a "real man", a "superior person" cajones to try and insult and belittle a generally non-white, non-rich country, congratulations.

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    I'm sure that our fearless buddy, Jao has the pictures he took while strolling through barrio Las Minas







    Man, the folks in La Zuiza can't believe how much the Metro and Autopista has improved their lives!

    Jao must have been through there and have some pretty pictures for us....




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    Personal insults no problem, we can have this conversation in person any time you want.

    Seems maybe you believe that the people who inhabit the Dominican part of the island of Hispaniola are somehow some separate and distinct species of inferior human being. Goes to the breadth and depth of your intellect Click to see pic
    Wrong and wrong.

    What I think is that glossing over the problems suffered by the 1st hosts of the invasion of the Americas is a travesty and that there's a whole lot more value in keeping the discussion real than selling the "paradise playground" lie.

    Those people aren't "inferior", far from it. They've been lied to, swindled, bamboozled and fucked over by every "1st world" country to set foot on their soil and yet they persevere and revel in song and show us everything that's best in people despite the miserable conditions they've been thrust into.

    You little plastic photo tours show none of this. You can't conceive the breadth and depth of my intellect. It would be like trying to explain the relationship between astrophysics and small particle physics at the special Olympics.

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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Population of the US: 313 million
    Population of the Dominican Republic: 10 million

    Land Mass of the US: 9.827 million km²
    Land Mass of the Dominican Republic: 48,320 sq km

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    Wow! We've got a member who's smarter than the entire State Department.....not

    https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentRe...aspx?cid=14200
    From the link you provided first sentence: "While the State Department rates the crime threat for the Dominican Republic as “High,” the 2012 nationwide statistics from the Domincan Republic National Police, in comparison to 2011 figures, displayed a 10 percent decrease in the number of reported homicides;

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