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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    Not much different than what Europe and the United States looked like not too long along.
    http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/sc...s/140423/paris

    "Trashopolis: Paris

    There may be no place on Earth as beautiful or as romantic as Paris, France. But the City of Light was once a city of unspeakable filth and decay. Rotting garbage and carcasses filled the streets. Human waste from chamber pots rained down from the windows. Transforming this foul city into the most popular tourist destination in the world would take centuries, and would require the demolition of slums, the removal of 6 million corpses and the addition of hundreds of miles of sewers. See how trash reinvented Paris from the underground up."

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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    Not much different than what Europe and the United States looked like not too long along.

    I guess it takes a "real man", a "superior person" cajones to try and insult and belittle a generally non-white, non-rich country, congratulations.
    Once again, you're missing the point of my observations entirely.

    The Dominican People had no idea what poverty was until the Spanish came to "help" them.

    They knew nothing about hunger and didn't want for anything they couldn't reach and pluck off a tree or scoop out of the river or the sea.

    All this "aid" has come with a horrible price and they're sinking deeper into the quicksand of western debt with every stroke of the pen. Life is not improving for the vast majority of Dominicans.

    I've been alive almost 60 years and I never saw anyone in the USA shower buck neked in view of the world under a bucket of rain water. How long is progress supposed to take? After all we've (USA) been butting into the affairs of the Republica for about a century now and we don't really appear to have made things much better there.

    I have no idea what your "real man and superior person" references are drawn from, I just know that your glossing past the realities of the D.R. in favor of selling some vision of what it "could" or "should" be like is disingenuous at best and I feel compelled to refute it. Because it's bullshit... and yes, I would be honored to continue the discussion in person, ask anybody on this board who knows me. I'm the same Guy all the time and everywhere I go, that's six continents and counting.
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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    From the link you provided first sentence: "While the State Department rates the crime threat for the Dominican Republic as “High,” the 2012 nationwide statistics from the Domincan Republic National Police, in comparison to 2011 figures, displayed a 10 percent decrease in the number of reported homicides;
    Yeah and a whopping double digit increase in the number of reported rapes with increases also in reported extortion scams targeting tourists thefts and drug related offenses along with fraud and armed robberies.

    The thing about statistical reports is that you have to read every sentence, all the way to the dot at the end to get the facts rather than just go fishing for a single point to make in a rhetorical diatribe.

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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/sc...s/140423/paris

    "Trashopolis: Paris

    There may be no place on Earth as beautiful or as romantic as Paris, France. But the City of Light was once a city of unspeakable filth and decay. Rotting garbage and carcasses filled the streets. Human waste from chamber pots rained down from the windows. Transforming this foul city into the most popular tourist destination in the world would take centuries, and would require the demolition of slums, the removal of 6 million corpses and the addition of hundreds of miles of sewers. See how trash reinvented Paris from the underground up."
    We have made more technological progress in the past 60 years than we did in the previous 37,000.

    What used to take centuries to fix now takes months. Do you believe for one minute that if mankind redirected our resources to eliminating poverty instead of waging war for control of resources and shipping routes that we could possibly fail? Elimination of poverty so armed conflict, disease, hunger, ignorance and crime will naturally follow.

    The truth is that the type of power so treasured by the moneyed classes can only be amassed by the perpetuation of poverty and all its myriad symptoms. And underclasses must be created and maintained and manipulated against one another in order to maintain that power. The illusion of economic opportunity is like the mechanical rabbit at the dog track. The dogs have to believe they're chasing the rabbit if you're going to have a decent race and they can never be allowed to actually catch the rabbit or they'll never run again.


    Little things like providing potable water, indoor plumbing for water distribution and waste management, reliable electricity, adequate public education and health care and dare I mention employment opportunity? These aren't far fetched ideas and I'm sure that most Dominicans would choose these easily attainable goals over the Metro and the Autopista. The problem is that developers and government officials DGAF what the majority of their people wants or needs as long as they can line their own pockets. How much money do you imagine was siphoned off the Metro and Autopista projects in kickbacks and outright graft?

    That rosy outlook for the D.R. future isn't real, it's just there to keep the natives from getting restless and sooth the nerves of the suckers, I mean investors.

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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    Here's an economy on the uptick...

    We all like pictures, right?


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    Not a clue when or where this photo was taken, it is not something I have seen in the last five years in Santo Domingo (your posted photo of a tunnel).

    Photos and information regarding the Santo Domingo subway (finished stations and during construction). http://us.santo-domingo-live.com/san...se/subway.html
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    Re: All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government

    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    ..and remember....drug stashes are just like roaches, for every 1 you see there's 50 you don't


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    Your posted photo of bundles of something, cocaine? Cocaine more likely than not produced in Colombia, on its way to US consumers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    "Now remember, Boys. We've got to kick half upstairs to El Jefe or it's all of our asses"


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    I have given rides to guys in the Dominican military and law enforcement, (they were waiting on the side of the roads for guaguas or buses). Always very polite with me in the rental car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    Your posted photo of bundles of something, cocaine? Cocaine more likely than not produced in Colombia, on its way to US consumers?
    Now you're cooking with gas.

    The pressure (and military/ police aid in money, training and materiel) from the USA has resulted in the gov't and military bosses actually having to increase the interdiction efforts and rat out some of the Guys who are putting money into their other hand to look the other way. This is beginning to result in product bottlenecking at the transshipment stage and having to be distributed and sold internally in increasingly greater quantities. I saw the same thing happen in Mexico in the late 90's and in a half dozen years the resulting distribution wars near wrecked their tourism industry.

    Unless the eradication of internal distribution attains the same priority level as the elimination of transshipment activities the future is already written. This must be a Dominican initiative because the DEA DGAF about anything but it's mission to eliminate the transshipment thread and move on to the next hole in the dyke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    I have given rides to guys in the Dominican military and law enforcement, (they were waiting on the side of the roads for guaguas or buses). Always very polite with me in the rental car.
    Unfortunately poverty is one of the most obvious indication of Dominican LE and military personnel's character. It's the Colonels and the Generals with the jipetas and the condo's and the mistresses all over town and foreign stashes of cash who do not ride in the rental cars of tourists who are the problem and every once in awhile a few of them get caught in between the proverbial rock and hard place and end up dead or missing.

    The rock is the smugglers who supplement their personal fortunes and the hard place is the foreign interdiction interests who prop up their programs with aid. Every once in awhile the two interests collide and a there's a promotion opportunity for a new Colonel or General.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    Wrong and wrong.
    Tourism is up every year in the Dominican Republic. Some people love the DR (seems you don't); http://www.bancentral.gov.do/english...Tourism_Sector

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    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    Yeah and a whopping double digit increase in the number of reported rapes with increases also in reported extortion scams targeting tourists thefts and drug related offenses along with fraud and armed robberies.

    The thing about statistical reports is that you have to read every sentence, all the way to the dot at the end to get the facts rather than just go fishing for a single point to make in a rhetorical diatribe.
    Thanks, I did a search of the page from link you posted, https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentRe...aspx?cid=14200 , I couldn't find the word extort or extortion on that page.

    From the link you provided: "Fraud schemes continue to increase, with credit card fraud being the main dilemma." With a credit card you are not personally responsible for fraudulent charges. Target Stores in the US, recently had a breach regarding credit card info and Neiman Marcus Stores in the U.S. (up to 1.1 million credit cards compromised).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    Tourism is up every year in the Dominican Republic. Some people love the DR (seems you don't); http://www.bancentral.gov.do/english...Tourism_Sector
    Tourism is up? So is inflation and poverty and the unofficial unemployment rate but the peso is in steady decline.

    On my 1st trip the peso was 28 to the dollar.

    I love the D.R. as evidenced by the dozens of trips and tens of thousands of my own dollars spent there.

    I love it like I love Harlem, the place of my birth and where my youth was spent, with no illusion about what it is or why it is what it is and who's winning and who's losing and how to get in and come out with my skin on. As a matter of fact it was the similarities between the Santo Domingo of today and the Harlem of the 60's that made me fall in love with the place immediately. But I love places like I love Women....fuck up and I'm gone, thanks for the memories, no hard feelings.

    Not unlike the city of my origin, I prefer to stay elsewhere and visit Santo Domingo from time to time. The thrill isn't gone, it's shifting a little with each and every familiar memory that joins the relics of the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeSmails View Post
    Do you remember the Group dance show they used to put on at Lapsus ? Chicas would be dressed in those Cheezy but fun Nurses or Fireman outfits. and then you pick one to come to your table after the group is finished and she would give you the Lapdance of a lifetime, then you could do take out .... God, I miss that place... the waiter was a crooked little fucker but they always would treat you like VIP in there.
    Im guessing you probably had a chance to hit Remington Palace also back then ?

    That Pool shot of the Jaragua.. Nice.. It was a bitch sneaking the girls in though at the Jaragua, the towers were almost impossible, the Garden units in the back not so bad. Hit or miss .
    The Melia was damn near impossible though..
    What time of year did you usually go ? Hope you hit the Merangue Festivals at end of July, that was the shit back then...
    The old Lapsus I only visited that one time, my first time staying in Santo Domingo. The Jaragua Hotel and Casino, that first time staying in Santo Domingo, I gave the names of two chicas who I thought would visit me, at the time of check in. One chica visited my room, with me at night and we had to go to the front desk and they checked her name on an index card (where the names were written when I checked in) and she was allowed up to my room in the tower section. The other chica came over in the afternoon with another chica and we went directly to the pool, from the pool we went to my room and security didn't stop us. Garden section room , when I stayed there, there was a worker with a printout of names of guests and their guests, that guy wouldn't let me enter with anyone during the day (I hadn't given any names at check in).

    Remington Palace I have read was a really fun place, I didn't get to experience it. Melia (soon to be Sheraton, http://www.starwoodhotels.com/sherat...ropertyID=3855), I never stayed at. There used to be some lookers in Coppa Disco in the Hotel Melia (popular and busy casino).

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    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    I'm sure that our fearless buddy, Jao has the pictures he took while strolling through barrio Las Minas

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    Man, the folks in La Zuiza can't believe how much the Metro and Autopista has improved their lives!

    Jao must have been through there and have some pretty pictures for us....

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    Who's down for a walk with Jao through barrio Herrera? We'll take the Met-ro

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    Nice photos, friendly people. Herrera has some beautiful women. To be built line 4 of the Metro will pass adjacent to Herrera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    Yeah

    There's nothing like cheap Dominican Punani


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    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    Here's an economy on the uptick...

    We all like pictures, right?


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    Our buddy isn't afraid to walk the streets of Santo Domingo any time of day or night, just ask these folks

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    ..and remember....drug stashes are just like roaches, for every 1 you see there's 50 you don't


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    The good life...

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    "Now remember, Boys. We've got to kick half upstairs to El Jefe or it's all of our asses"


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    Photo of the guy you posted on a bicycle with a car body. Bicycling is environmentally friendly, recycling the car body is environmentally friendly and the guy is strong and working.

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    Museum of Modern Art, Santo Domingo, República Dominicana; http://yalodominicana.blogspot.com/2...1_archive.html
    I am an art lover too.

    Fucking is an expression of love.




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    Photo of the guy you posted on a bicycle with a car body. Bicycling is environmentally friendly, recycling the car body is environmentally friendly and the guy is strong and working.
    Yeah and this Guy is a wonderful humanitarian who's in the business of matching People with their newest bestest friends.

    Sorry, all I see is a Puppy Pimp. I may need to borrow your rose colored glasses on my next trip.



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    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    The problem with that logic is that it compares US businesses which were profitable for decades, 40, 50 years or more (with the exception of Enron and Edsel isn't a company, it was a model and Ford, its manufacturer is still very much in business, BTW. Same goes for your Oldsmobile/GM example) against Dominican businesses which have lasted less than a decade because they exist in a throwaway society.

    In most of the Caribbean it is perfectly safe to drink tap water and the rivers don't flood the sea with garbage every time it rains.
    I have been in Santo Domingo after it rained, I saw leaves and plants, washed into the sea from the Ozama River, never saw huge amounts of Garbage washed into the Sea from the Rio Ozama.

    Industrialized Nations greatly polluted this planet during the Industrial Revolution.

    Good book to read or listen to on audible.com, The Big Oyster: History on the Half Shell.

    G.E. Company poisoned parts of the Hudson River, fish from parts of the Hudson River, are not to be eaten in great quantities and not to be eaten by certain groups of people.

    A.M.C. Motors was in business for 34 years (Mr. 47% Mitt Romney, his father was chairman of A.M.C., I can imagine him with some Ford Executives on a Golf Course outside of Detroit back in the day, with the Ford Execs saying they were going to sell some cheap cars, that could burn alive its occupants to some of the people in the 47%). And of course Mitt's family got financial aid (welfare) when they moved back into the U.S., from Mexico (they had abandoned the U.S. to live in Mexico so they could have multiple wives at the same time).

    West Virginia, some tap water was recently polluted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jao View Post
    I have been in Santo Domingo after it rained, I saw leaves and plants, washed into the sea from the Ozama River, never saw huge amounts of Garbage washed into the Sea from the Rio Ozama.

    Industrialized Nations greatly polluted this planet during the Industrial Revolution.

    Good book to read or listen to on audible.com, The Big Oyster: History on the Half Shell.

    G.E. Company poisoned parts of the Hudson River, fish from parts of the Hudson River, are not to be eaten in great quantities and not to be eaten by certain groups of people.

    A.M.C. Motors was in business for 34 years (Mr. 47% Mitt Romney, his father was chairman of A.M.C., I can imagine him with some Ford Executives on a Golf Course outside of Detroit back in the day, with the Ford Execs saying they were going to sell some cheap cars, that could burn alive its occupants to some of the people in the 47%) And of course Mitt's family got financial aid (welfare) when they moved back into the U.S., from Mexico (they had abandoned the U.S. to live in Mexico so they could have multiple wives at the same time).

    West Virginia, some tap water was recently polluted.
    Are you serious? The Ozama is one of the nastiest waterways on the planet and if you sit for lunch at Adrian Tropical after a good rain you will be treated to the sight of a long brown patch entering the Caribbean and those "leaves and plants" that you see are the leaves and plants from a bottle and can tree which have fallen into a cesspool of untreated human and animal waste.

    AMC was purchased by the Chrysler corporation for $830 MILLION after 37 years. That's a whole lot different than a boarded up business. AMC itself was the result of a merger between the Hudson Car Company and Nash-Kelvinator Corp in 1954. That's how American business works. The D.R. utilizes the steal, cut & run approach to business by contrast.

    As to the point of "unsafe cars", here's how U.S. Auto manufacturing works. There are 4 separate engineering functions: Concept and design, Prototype and Test, Manufacturing and Modification and Efficiency Engineering. They are different teams which interact throughout different stages of the process. The last ones mentioned scale back the design to cut cost and in that process some steel parts are replaced by cheaper plastic ones, complex mechanisms are replaced with simpler ones and multiple wires are replaced by mutli-conductor wires and so on.

    It is usually during the reverse engineering process that a flaw is induced. I'm sure that the originally designed Pinto would have a best buy consumer rating but it was intended to be cheap enough for folks to buy as a 2nd car. The recalls come when the Company comes to the conclusion that it would be cheaper to pay for a modification or in the case of the Corvair, remove the vehicle from production altogether than to settle all the lawsuits. Welcome to America. This is how the manufacturing business is done and the overall goal is to sell a lot of product and get rich doing it.


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