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    Passport rules snag child support cash
    By KEVIN FREKING, Associated Press WriterTue Aug 14, 3:34 PM ET



    The price of a passport: $311,491 in back child support payments for a U.S. businessman now living in China; $46,000 for a musician seeking to perform overseas, and $45,849 for a man planning a Dominican Republic vacation.
    The new passport requirements that have complicated travel this summer also have uncovered untold numbers of child support scofflaws and forced them to pay millions.

    The State Department denies passports to noncustodial parents who owe more than $2,500 in child support. Once the parents make good on their debts, they can reapply for passports.
    Now that millions of additional travelers need passports to fly back from Mexico, Canada, the Caribbean and South America, collections under the Passport Denial Program are on pace to about double this year, federal officials told The Associated Press.
    In all, states have reported collecting at least $22.5 million through the program thus far in 2007. The money is then forwarded to the parent to whom it is owed.

    Some people never learn.
    A boxer paid $39,000 in back child support to the state of Nevada last year to get a passport, which he lost. This year, his promoter had to loan him $8,930 so he could pay off his new child support debts and get a new passport to fight overseas.
    In one case last year, a man got his parents to pay his overdue child support — $50,498 to the state of Illinois.
    "For us, it's been amazing to see how people who owe back child support seem to be able to come up with good chunks of money when it involves needing their passport," said Adolfo Capestany, spokesman for the state of Washington's Division of Child Support. "Folks will do anything to get that passport, so it is a good collection tool."
    The $22.5 million reported to have been collected through the program this year is a conservative estimate. Some states voluntarily report the payments to the federal Office of Child Support Enforcement, but other states don't.
    It took all of 2006 to collect the same amount under the program, which began in 1998.

    Also contributing to the increased collections was a drop in the threshold for reporting child support debts to the State Department, from $5,000 to $2,500. As a result, 400,000 more cases were submitted to the department.
    The state of Washington obtained $24,000 for Teresa Markley through the program. The money accrued over a couple of decades. She said she could have really used the money in past years, and at one point in the 1990s went on welfare for a few months to make ends meet. While her children are now grown, she said the payment still meant a great deal to her.
    "What it means to me now is just to have some validation for the suffering I went through," said Markley, a resident of Tacoma, Wash.
    Jeannette Dean of Seattle said she had to tap into her retirement savings and her son's savings bond to help pay for basic necessities after Washington state was unable to help her collect delinquent child support payments.
    But this year, she received about $36,000 through the passport program. She said the money will be used to replenish the lost savings.
    "It has given back to having a normal life versus struggling to pay dental bills and hospitals bills and things like that," Dean said.

    The passport denial program is just one of several tools the government has to collect overdue child support. Overall collections totaled about $24 billion last year.
    The largest share by far — $20.1 billion — came from withholding from a worker's paycheck. Unemployment insurance or state and federal income tax refunds can also be seized. States with lotteries also can deduct delinquent payments from winnings. Some states submit the names of those behind on their payments to credit reporting agencies.
    Payments generated through the new passport requirements are an important sliver of what states collect each year on behalf of about 17 million children, said Margot Bean, commissioner for the federal Office of Child Support Enforcement.

    "We often get payments of over $100,000," Bean said. "For whatever reason, this was the only way we could get the money."
    For some families, the payments can mean the difference between having to rely on the government for assistance or not relying on it, Bean said. In cases where families have needed cash assistance through the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Program, a portion of the payments received through the passport program is used to reimburse the government.
    Another jump in collections from the Passport Denial Program can be expected next year or in early 2009. That's when the new passport requirements will likely take effect for land and sea travelers too.
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    On the Net: Passport Denial Program: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cse/...p/passport.htm
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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Gee its shocking. Fathers having to pay child support.



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    Re: What will they think of next?

    I agree, your kids should come first. Travel when you get caught up.

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    serves all those deadbeats right.

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Yeah, that SOUNDS real good. The problem is that it's more often than not "Baby Momma" support and the child sees little or no gain from the windfall that the mother gets when the government takes large penalty amounts from the fathers. In other words, if the father gets pays a $100,000 arear, the mother gets a new Mercedes and the kid gets a playstation and a new pair of sneakers. Then years later there's no money for college because not a dime was invested in the child's interest.

    The problem with government interference is that it is usually administered in such a ham handed way as to exacerbate the original problem. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against child support enforcement, I'm against manipulation of this system and the fact that there's little or no redress where a father sees his financial support going to the sole benefit of the mother's lifestyle and not his childrens' needs. By the time they get done with him, he can't afford a lawyer to even attempt to straighten the mess out.

    This current Getsapo approach won't be acceptable until men have equal custodial rights to their children in the eyes of the courts. THEN we will really see some "baby Mama" drama.

    States need to adopt standard child support laws before the fed's get involved. A friend payed his daughter's child support in MD faithfully for 18 years, after which he paid her way through college (plus room & board at an out of State university). In the meanwhile, her mother moved to DC. After his daughter graduated, the mother pressed for 3 years of back child support (ends at 18 in MD, 21 in DC) and won. The money which he spent to put his daughter through college was not considered as payment because it didn't pass through the baby Momma's hands. He was assesed back child support and a penalty. True story.
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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    Yeah, that SOUNDS real good. The problem is that it's more often than not "Baby Momma" support and the child sees little or no gain from the windfall that the mother gets when the government takes large penalty amounts from the fathers. In other words, if the father gets pays a $100,000 arear, the mother gets a new Mercedes and the kid gets a playstation and a new pair of sneakers. Then years later there's no money for college because not a dime was invested in the child's interest.

    The problem with government interference is that it is usually administered in such a ham handed way as to exacerbate the original problem. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against child support enforcement, I'm against manipulation of this system and the fact that there's little or no redress where a father sees his financial support going to the sole benefit of the mother's lifestyle and not his childrens' needs. By the time they get done with him, he can't afford a lawyer to even attempt to straighten the mess out.

    This current Getsapo approach won't be acceptable until men have equal custodial rights to their children in the eyes of the courts. THEN we will really see some "baby Mama" drama.

    States need to adopt standard child support laws before the fed's get involved. A friend payed his daughter's child support in MD faithfully for 18 years, after which he paid her way through college (plus room & board at an out of State university). In the meanwhile, her mother moved to DC. After his daughter graduated, the mother pressed for 3 years of back child support (ends at 18 in MD, 21 in DC) and won. The money which he spent to put his daughter through college was not considered as payment because it didn't pass through the baby Momma's hands. He was assesed back child support and a penalty. True story.

    No one told these guys to have kids in the first place. Thats life in America!

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmydr View Post
    No one told these guys to have kids in the first place. Thats life in America!
    That's a little callous. I love my children (oldest is 31) more than anything in this world and it was worth putting up with all of their mothers' bullshit just to see them making it, with their own families and carrers now. They were all raised in split households where I entered shared custody arrangements with the mothers in order to bring normalcy to the lives of my children. There's only one way this can be done: stay the fuck out of court.

    What advice should I give to my son? Don't ever get married and have children? What advice should I give to my daughters? Find a sap, have babies and take him for every nickel? C'mon bro. There's got to be more to life in America than selfishness and systemic abuse.

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Greydread, I see it your way. Luckily, I don't have anybody on child support payroll, but I have several wealthy friends who do and I have represented many.

    Example, my friend who is an MD got this girl pregnant 3 years ago. The heffer makes $31k a year. After the child support judgment for $2700/mo she bought a house in the cascades(I am sure she did it on one of those interest only loans) and a lexus 330 . She initially wanted 4500.

    Georgia's child support system is flawed and absolutely punitive. There have been some reform lately but not enough.

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post

    What advice should I give to my son? Don't ever get married and have children? What advice should I give to my daughters? Find a sap, have babies and take him for every nickel? C'mon bro. There's got to be more to life in America than selfishness and systemic abuse.

    Marry a doctor or Lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    That's a little callous. I love my children (oldest is 31) more than anything in this world and it was worth putting up with all of their mothers' bullshit just to see them making it, with their own families and carrers now. They were all raised in split households where I entered shared custody arrangements with the mothers in order to bring normalcy to the lives of my children. There's only one way this can be done: stay the fuck out of court.

    Did you make your payments? Seems like you did so whats the problem?

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmydr View Post
    Did you make your payments? Seems like you did so whats the problem?
    The lack of fair consideration of Fathers as primary custodial parent is my problem. It's easier for a woman to get fired from a government job for incompetance (this never happens) than to lose primary custody. She'd have to show up in court with the needle still in her arm from al all night heroin binge.

    The lack of even standardization for child support laws is my problem. Women often move to states where child support awards are higher than in their state of residence (ex: a texas woman staying in MD for 30 days and applying for child support, then moving back to Texas can triple the award.) in order to beat the system and then the federal government back this travesty up with draconian enforcement policies.

    Sorry to rant on this subject but I see some wrong shit going on I've gotta call it even if it doesn't affect me personally.

    Now, back to the punani....

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    The lack of fair consideration of Fathers as primary custodial parent is my problem. It's easier for a woman to get fired from a government job for incompetance (this never happens) than to lose primary custody. She'd have to show up in court with the needle still in her arm from al all night heroin binge.
    Except if her name is Britney Spears. I have a feeling K-Fed will get custody...
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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    The lack of fair consideration of Fathers as primary custodial parent is my problem. It's easier for a woman to get fired from a government job for incompetance (this never happens) than to lose primary custody. She'd have to show up in court with the needle still in her arm from al all night heroin binge.

    The lack of even standardization for child support laws is my problem. Women often move to states where child support awards are higher than in their state of residence (ex: a texas woman staying in MD for 30 days and applying for child support, then moving back to Texas can triple the award.) in order to beat the system and then the federal government back this travesty up with draconian enforcement policies.

    Sorry to rant on this subject but I see some wrong shit going on I've gotta call it even if it doesn't affect me personally.

    Now, back to the punani....

    40% or more of the adult population don't have kids. 20% are married. Let the other 40% less the 20% which are women (living high on the hog) deal with it.

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Tomas View Post
    Except if her name is Britney Spears. I have a feeling K-Fed will get custody...
    hehehe

    Wasn't there a pic of her in some supermarket gossip rag WITH a heroin needle still in her arm?

    I can only feel sorry for those kids. Families don't come much more dysfunctional than that.

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmydr View Post
    Gee its shocking. Fathers having to pay child support.
    Uhhh, imagine disputing a claim of childsupport ... (the kid ain't yours after all, maybe you have been kicking in support, but chick denies it for more money...)

    Now imagine you HAVE to get overseas for a job opportunity, business...hmmm....

    There are always gray areas... it's not just deadbeat dads...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incogneg View Post
    Uhhh, imagine disputing a claim of childsupport ... (the kid ain't yours after all, maybe you have been kicking in support, but chick denies it for more money...)

    Now imagine you HAVE to get overseas for a job opportunity, business...hmmm....

    There are always gray areas... it's not just deadbeat dads...

    Well if I didn't fuck her, it ain't mine.

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Basically moral of the story is keep fucking chics in 3rd world countries without as stringent child support laws?

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmydr View Post
    Well if I didn't fuck her, it ain't mine.
    ...to which the Judge will say:

    "Son, if you feed it long enough it'll start to look just like you"
    (bangs gavel as they drag poor JDR away screaming "this can't happen in America")

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Incogneg View Post
    Basically moral of the story is keep fucking chics in 3rd world countries without as stringent child support laws?

    All this is not new. We hear the stories every week or every month. Be prepared and don't be shocked when it happens to you.

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    Re: What will they think of next?

    Quote Originally Posted by greydread View Post
    ...to which the Judge will say:

    "Son, if you feed it long enough it'll start to look just like you"
    (bangs gavel as they drag poor JDR away screaming "this can't happen in America")

    Wait a minute, out of the blue some girl you never fucked hits you with child support? Am I missing something here?

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