Tips for getting that Non-pro in Santo Domingo

[El Capitan]

[quote=skynyrd;385183]OK guys,
I bagged 2 NON pros on my 4 night trip last weekend....I mean HOT looking girls..One was the 1/2 Oriental dealer I been talking about..2 nights in a row and 2-3 times per night/next morning..COST: dinner and taxi money...age 20.
The next was on my last night (Sunday)..I saw a great looking chica with a nice Body at the Roulette table, So I sat down beside her and started playing and striking up conversation..after about 45 min I asked if she wanted to go grab dinner and she said YES
after the meal we sat drinking a Presidente and I said would you lke to go to my room at the Riazon for the good drinks and music?...AGAIN SHE SAID YES...we sat on the bed with Music videos on and didnt even take 3 sips of the drinks before she leaned over started kissing me..Then Stood up and took off her shirt..WOW NATURALS TOO !
yall know what happens next..Anyway she grabbed a pillow and placed it under her lower back and WENT CRAZY with everything...THE BEST SEX Ive ever had fellows !!! Deep throat, EVERYTHING !!

Cost Dinner and drinks...AGE 33..

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Yo Freebird

You're surprised!!??? ha ha ha........ Dude, it's why I don't spend American dollars on American women no mo! Now that you know, when's the next time you're gonna go? Excellent work!

[Skynyrd]

I already have the Spirit Air Tickets for Jan 17 - 27th
will split time in SD and Sousa and Blackbeards.
I have been to Costa Rica a dz times and NEVER had a freebie !!!

[greydread]

I already have the Spirit Air Tickets for Jan 17 - 27th
will split time in SD and Sousa and Blackbeards.
I have been to Costa Rica a dz times and NEVER had a freebie !!!

This is why I enjoy Santo Domingo so much. There are many more opportunities for "hunting in the wild". The small things that American Women take for granted are absolute luxuries to the women there. My son is 28 and when he and his buddies went there with us they were banging non pro's three a day, each and for little more than some attention, food and drinks....and their Spanish sucks.

The place is a young man's dream. It doesn't do too badly by us old guys either. It's a great place to be an old dirty bastard as well. I haven't been away from there a week yet and my "booking" finger is itching like crazy.

[Galvin]

My son is 28 and when he and his buddies went there with us they were banging non pro's three a day, each and for little more than some attention, food and drinks....and their Spanish sucks.

Maybe it's b/c I haven't been down there yet (Going down dec 8-16th) so let me know if my thoughts will change completely when I get down there but I need to ask what's the definition of a non pro in the DR?

I ask b/c I find it hard to believe that in any one country you just easily run into so much non pro pussy all the time. If she is trying this get a gringo thing once a year, then she's a non pro. Dating you b/c she likes you, then a non pro. Trying this get a gringo thing once every month or two with hopes of getting out the country. Not sure she's a non pro anymore. Just not high mileage.

I mean, it's all fun and shit to say that she's a non pro but I consider a non pro someone who just got hip to the game and you're one of her first or someone who isn't even in the game and she's mess'n with you off your own merit. Outside of that, they are just UTR.

Like I said, I haven't been down there so maybe I am lacking the correct context but please help me out here.

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Unless you fucked a dude on his own merit
And not the way he dribbles a ball or draw leverage
You're a (Bitch), No ma, you're a (Bitch)

[The Sage]

I think you can simply define a non-pro as a chica who is not actively soliciting and who will not ask you for money and may in fact refuse to accept money from you. If she does this once or 10 times a year it makes no difference. If she's on the high side of these numbers she might be a nymph or a slut, but she is not a pro or semi-pro because she is not soliciting payment for having sex with you. Her US counterpart would be a "normal" chick that on occasion might participate in a one night stand with a guy she met at a bar or club or who after a couple of dates decides to give it up.

[Babyboy31]

I'm glad that my pointers engendered such interesting and pertinent discussion.

In the interest of clarity, I perhaps overstated some points in my original post. My post about lying really was to emphasize the point that you want your non-pro to think about the fact that this liaison has the possibility of going somewhere....but if she is not asking pressing questions, then there is no need to lie or exaggerate.....You don't want to be proposing marriage and promising to bring em back to the states, etc.

And obviously, going after the non-pro isn't everybody's cup of tea. Some fellas don't like the hassle, nor the romanticism, nor the fraud involved (on both sides on many case). What I found wonderful about SD was that the girls really didn't seem hung up about sex. If they liked you and were comfortable with you, they were prepared to fuck. My tips were geared on helping guys to actually get the girls to like ya. Cause while some fellas seem to be have game naturally, I see some others in action and have to wonder what the hell are they thinking.....

[JD426]

I think you can simply define a non-pro as a chica who is not actively soliciting and who will not ask you for money and may in fact refuse to accept money from you. If she does this once or 10 times a year it makes no difference. If she's on the high side of these numbers she might be a nymph or a slut, but she is not a pro or semi-pro because she is not soliciting payment for having sex with you. Her US counterpart would be that "normal" chick the on occasion might participate in a one night stand with a guy she met at a bar of club or who after a couple of dates decides to give it up.

I only disagree with the highlighted part.
Maybe im getting older or rusty,or not as good looking as I used to be, but no way that a NORMAL chick will give it up on the first or second date any more, not a 20-36 yr old. (I really dont get 20 yr olds any more anyway)
Although I think the teens are having sex like rabbits, the 20-36 yr old American chicks all WANT something, and they will use SEX to get it, just as if it were a TOOL. Wether its you spending a LOT of $ on them, or a long term relationship which involves you being 100% commited , she wants something. In the 70's and 80's it was quite easy to take a chick out and get laid on the fist date. Now ,you gotta drop a couple hundred on em just to get their attention. This is why I cant date American chicks, I cant take the bullshit anymore. Its not even the $, its their attutude "I have something you need really bad and you're gonna pay for it one way or the other". Europeans and esp Dominicans are not like that at all.
How much ear time u think a College chick will give a 47 yr old like me here in NJ ?? In Santo Domingo, I got a good shot.a real good shot,even with my poor spanish skills. and when I become fluent in spanish, I'm gonna hit it right out of the park. All you need is the balls to approach them,they already know you got the $ . I also agree that there is absolutely NO reason to lie to them.

[Cheeno]

Maybe it's b/c I haven't been down there yet (Going down dec 8-16th) so let me know if my thoughts will change completely when I get down there but I need to ask what's the definition of a non pro in the DR?
I ask b/c I find it hard to believe that in any one country you just easily run into so much non pro pussy all the time. If she is trying this get a gringo thing once a year, then she's a non pro. Dating you b/c she likes you, then a non pro. Trying this get a gringo thing once every month or two with hopes of getting out the country. Not sure she's a non pro anymore. Just not high mileage.

I mean, it's all fun and shit to say that she's a non pro but I consider a non pro someone who just got hip to the game and you're one of her first or someone who isn't even in the game and she's mess'n with you off your own merit. Outside of that, they are just UTR.

Like I said, I haven't been down there so maybe I am lacking the correct context but please help me out here.

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Unless you fucked a dude on his own merit
And not the way he dribbles a ball or draw leverage
You're a (Bitch), No ma, you're a (Bitch)

Good question Galvin

It seems like everyone has his own definition of "Non-pro".

For example, you have a guy like Chuckuindy who cannot score in his home state of Indiana. He is a racist (especially towards Asian Americans), ugly, and likes to impress the chicas with his money.

I think that the chicas he scores with are NOT non-pros. Especially if you see them making out with other tourists at the resort and accepting money for their time and companionship.

But Chuckuindy considers them as a "Non-pro". But to each his own. Chuckuindy is entitled to his own opinion.

I think the best way to find out the meaning of "Non-pro" is by finding out for yourself when you visit SD in December.

[Cheeno]

I'm glad that my pointers engendered such interesting and pertinent discussion.

In the interest of clarity, I perhaps overstated some points in my original post. My post about lying really was to emphasize the point that you want your non-pro to think about the fact that this liaison has the possibility of going somewhere....but if she is not asking pressing questions, then there is no need to lie or exaggerate.....You don't want to be proposing marriage and promising to bring em back to the states, etc.

And obviously, going after the non-pro isn't everybody's cup of tea. Some fellas don't like the hassle, nor the romanticism, nor the fraud involved (on both sides on many case). What I found wonderful about SD was that the girls really didn't seem hung up about sex. If they liked you and were comfortable with you, they were prepared to fuck. My tips were geared on helping guys to actually get the girls to like ya. Cause while some fellas seem to be have game naturally, I see some others in action and have to wonder what the hell are they thinking.....

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with us!!! I enjoyed it very much!!!

[Hemp]

one of my favorite Jay Lines...

Good post. pretty much sums it up.

Unless you fucked a dude on his own merit
And not the way he dribbles a ball or draw leverage
You're a (Bitch), No ma, you're a (Bitch)

[Galvin]

I'm glad that my pointers engendered such interesting and pertinent discussion.

In the interest of clarity, I perhaps overstated some points in my original post. My post about lying really was to emphasize the point that you want your non-pro to think about the fact that this liaison has the possibility of going somewhere

Good post and discussion. Thanks for clearing up intent.

It seems like everyone has his own definition of "Non-pro".

But should they? I can understand slight disparities in GFE but as a board we should be able to find an overall suitable definition of non pro

[Galvin]

I only disagree with the highlighted part.
Maybe im getting older or rusty,or not as good looking as I used to be, but no way that a NORMAL chick will give it up on the first or second date any more, not a 20-36 yr old. (I really dont get 20 yr olds any more anyway)
Although I think the teens are having sex like rabbits, the 20-36 yr old American chicks all WANT something, and they will use SEX to get it, just as if it were a TOOL. Wether its you spending a LOT of $ on them, or a long term relationship which involves you being 100% commited , she wants something. In the 70's and 80's it was quite easy to take a chick out and get laid on the fist date. Now ,you gotta drop a couple hundred on em just to get their attention. This is why I cant date American chicks, I cant take the bullshit anymore. Its not even the $, its their attutude "I have something you need really bad and you're gonna pay for it one way or the other". Europeans and esp Dominicans are not like that at all.
How much ear time u think a College chick will give a 47 yr old like me here in NJ ?? In Santo Domingo, I got a good shot.a real good shot,even with my poor spanish skills. and when I become fluent in spanish, I'm gonna hit it right out of the park. All you need is the balls to approach them,they already know you got the $ . I also agree that there is absolutely NO reason to lie to them.

When I saw Sage's post I had the same initial reaction to the last line and then I thought about it more. And I understand the ease you guys reference in the DR but I wouldn't take it as far as to say all American chiks. It's a high percentage within certain circles/groups. If party'n in meatpacking, you're right. At various finance functions (work on wall st), you're right. But if i'm at the nuyo (poetry slam), dancehall party, or just kick'n it the mind fuck is more pressing and hence the need to have game. If no game, it's all about how many at bats you can get.

Not to say I don't share your frustration. I don't even tell a lot of females what I do anymore b/c I feel like I'm targeted b/c they assume I'm bank'n after that. But had to be fair when calling it.

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I ain't got no game it's just some bitches understand my story (Had to fit in a Nas quote )

[Cheeno]

But should they? I can understand slight disparities in GFE but as a board we should be able to find an overall suitable definition of non pro

Just my 2 cents (some will disagree with me).

I do not consider the casino dealers and waitresses as non-pros. They work six days a week, seven hours a day, and make only 6,000 pesos. Their monthly salary is less than my daily salary (God Bless the United States of America).

So generally speaking, most of them will "freelance" to earn extra money. Because like us, they have bills to pay (rent, school, food, utilities, etc.)

They do not work at a chica-casa, but they will "freelance" for extra money. However, some will disagree with me and say that they are "Non-pros".

My point is, if you ask every member in this site what is the definition of a "Non-pro", you are going to have a variety of answers.

[The Sage]

If they ask for or expect money they qualify at least as semi-pros.

Cheno, you are right. Those casino girls don't make shit and unlike Vegas their wages are not supplemented by tips. If they aren't picking up a trick every now and then they have a lot more dignity than 90% of the chicas on that island could muster under similar circumstances.

Short story. One of my amigas who dances with a resort animation team in response to my asking her when she last had sex, responded that she had been with a hotel client a couple of weeks back and made $100 for a brief romp in a POP cabana. I then ask her of the four other women she works with how many of them hook up with hotel guest from time to time. She thought about it a few second then said "all of them".

[greydread]

If they ask for or expect money they qualify at least as semi-pros.

If they aren't picking up a trick every now and then they have a lot more dignity than 90% of the chicas on that island could muster under similar circumstances.

I then ask her of the four other women she works with how many of them hook up with hotel guest from time to time. She thought about it a few second then said "all of them".

You've described the "semi-pro to a tee, motive and method. These women live in the grey area between putas and non working Chicas and they outnumber both by far, at least in more tourism dependent areas.

The description of the "non-pro" as the Chica who will not solicit nor accept cash gifts in return for sex is also right on the money.

I think that we can all agree that this "non-pro" is a lot harder to find and when you do find one (as I have met a few through friends there) you're not mongering anymore and it is incumbent upon us to adjust our thought processes accordingly. These are the women whom we treat to high end dinners, trips to the private beaches just as we would on a date here. They are far more likely to reciprocate good treatment than the women in our home countries because we've opened their lives to quality experiences.

They are also more likely to respond sexually simply because they don't have the same sexual hangups as the women we're used to and that's where you mark the differences in our two cultures. It is very liberating and empowering when a woman half your age expresses the desire to hang out with you and flirts with you openly just because she likes your style. The difference with these women is they don't have a problem with the follow through if they're enjoying your company. This is the non-pro experience from my perspective and I believe it to be more prevalent in the larger cities (Santo Domingo, Santiago) than at the beach towns which draw the needy to hunt tourists $$$.

I think that my point was more of an elaboration on BP's original idea than anything else and his post has created a very good discussion on the subject, especially in highlighting the liberated attitudes of the Latin/ Caribbean woman when it comes to expressions of their sexuality. The differences are the reason we smile on the arrivals and frown on the returns.

[Hunter]

By the end of this thread we will have widdled the number of non-pro chicas in DR to about 14... lol..

[Galvin]

They are also more likely to respond sexually simply because they don't have the same sexual hangups as the women we're used to and that's where you mark the differences in our two cultures. It is very liberating and empowering when a woman half your age expresses the desire to hang out with you and flirts with you openly just because she likes your style. The difference with these women is they don't have a problem with the follow through if they're enjoying your company. This is the non-pro experience from my perspective and I believe it to be more prevalent in the larger cities (Santo Domingo, Santiago) than at the beach towns which draw the needy to hunt tourists $$$.

I have yet to experience so I will look to have some fun when I go down and definitely report back.

[prtyr2]

Very well said. I don't see the need to scam good girls by balls out lying. It aint that hard to get laid down there so why should I lie? I have been single since april or so and have gotten laid a ton by non pros. I have not told any of them that I am interested in them as anything more than "amigas". I make it clear I am not looking for a novia. I have not pressured any chica to sleep with me and usually wait till it is their idea. No karmic paybacks for me!

I also don't offer a gift to non pros. If they are really non pros they will be insulted. To many of these girls even just hanging in my apt and my making some food. . . .is a day out for them. If I take em to dinner they are really living large and they are looking for attention and affection. Not looking for dud to tear that pussy out da frame. . . . lol. . .

Lying to a good natured poor chica that you are going to rescue her from poverty so you can get in her pants for free is pretty low IMHO. That bad carma will catch up to you.

I am pretty sure Seeka spells it out to his non-pros that he is not their ticket.

don't want to start a thread war so don't take it personal.

[prtyr2]

I know I am in the vast minority here but I have zero desire to bang a chick that doesn't like me. News flash. . . . .if you have to lie for a chica to like you. . . .she doesn't like you. . . .she likes the person you are portraying.

Now I am not a saint and I don't tell them everything either. Many "amigas" will tell me to behave if I am heading out of town. . .I laugh and say "why". Hinting that since we are not a "couple" what I do when we are not together is not her biz and what she does is not mine. No harm no foul.

I'm glad that my pointers engendered such interesting and pertinent discussion.

In the interest of clarity, I perhaps overstated some points in my original post. My post about lying really was to emphasize the point that you want your non-pro to think about the fact that this liaison has the possibility of going somewhere....but if she is not asking pressing questions, My tips were geared on helping guys to actually get the girls to like ya. Cause while some fellas seem to be have game naturally, I see some others in action and have to wonder what the hell are they thinking.....

[Don Tomas]

Lying to a good natured poor chica that you are going to rescue her from poverty so you can get in her pants for free is pretty low IMHO. That bad carma will catch up to you.

Is it low if I tell them I work for the "visa department" with the US Citizenship & Immigration Service?

As for the best way to bag a non-pro, it's not lie, lie, lie.

It's dance, dance, dance!