10/2017 - 59+ dead , over 520 injured in Las Vegas Shooting

[PapiQueRico]

I'm appalled ... of course.

But ... is it appropriate for us to blame the gun(s)?

OR SHOULDN'T WE BLAME THE GUNNER?

(Incidentally, I don't OWN a gun!)

I don't understand why we are upset that North Korea has nukes. Nukes don't kill people, people kill people.


​Does that shine a little different light on your question, Westy?

[PapiQueRico]

There are all sorts of things yet to come out of this investigation. And I have been reading the usual conspiracy theories that these types of things always seem to draw out on social media. I take those with a grain of salt.

From news reports I heard, this guy had passed the background check before taking ownership of his weapons. Investigators have said he doesn't fit the usual profile with others who have committed such atrocities. There is so much more that will be revealed in the coming days and weeks, so many questions that will need to be answered. Let the FBI, LVPD and Clark County Sheriff's Dept. continue to investigate and see where it leads.

I'm sure many of us have friends or relatives who live in LV. I know two people who live there and I was relieved when both txt me that they were ok. One guy who lives a half hour from me and was at that country music concert with family, was one of the victims. Neighbors have placed flowers and other memorabilia on his front yard as a makeshift memorial to him. I can imagine that scene being repeated in numerous neighborhoods in cities and towns where other victims lived.

Just wish the politicalization of this tragedy could at least wait until all the grieving family members can lay their loved ones to rest.

They deserve that consideration at the very least.

Or perhaps we could show some consideration by making a real effort to not have so many grieving families.

We heard this asinine 'now is not the time' garbage after Aurora, after Orlando, after Columbine, after Newton, after Virginia Tech and now after Las Vegas and the full list is much longer. In all of these cases there never came a time. If now is not the time when the fuck is the time?????

[j_d66]

With the proliferation of media in our society these things likely are not going to stop as it gives these people more than 15 minutes of fame.

It makes me wonder what drove this guy to commit such a horrible act.

I am all for someone having guns for their own protection or for sporting purposes but not at the level or type that this guy had.

There is no valid reason for any civilian to be able to own the types and number of weapons this guy had and it sounds like he purchased all of them legally.

IMO there needs to be some changes in regards to the laws of gun ownership with the number of and types of weapons a civilian can own.

Not even the NRA should support laws that allow people to own weapons in this manner.

Let's see if our do nothing Congress will have the courage to do something about it. Odds are they won't

[Mr. Smooth]

Or perhaps we could show some consideration by making a real effort to not have so many grieving families.

We heard this asinine 'now is not the time' garbage after Aurora, after Orlando, after Columbine, after Newton, after Virginia Tech and now after Las Vegas and the full list is much longer. In all of these cases there never came a time. If now is not the time when the fuck is the time?????

Nevermind Papi, it was wishful thinking on my part.

I'm assuming the "discussion" you refer to, is about yet more gun control laws, correct? Call your buddy Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago. Ask him how all those tough as nails gun laws in his city are working out.

Oh, and blame the NRA. Can't leave them out of the discussion. That heinous organization is to blame for every mass shooting in America, right?

[PapiQueRico]

Nevermind Papi, it was wishful thinking on my part.

I'm assuming the "discussion" you refer to, is about yet more gun control laws, correct? Call your buddy Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago. Ask him how all those tough as nails gun laws in his city are working out.

Oh, and blame the NRA. Can't leave them out of the discussion. That heinous organization is to blame for every mass shooting in America, right?

What a fucking joke you are. As if your post wasn't already highly political in itself.

BTW Rahm Emanuel isn't my "buddy", I have never met the guy.

You also don't need to assume anything, I am quite capable of expressing my own opinion and I don't need you putting words in my mouth. Try to show just a tiny bit of intelectual integrity and react (or not) to what I post, not some assumption you pull out of your ass.

[questner]

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

[j_d66]

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

Click to see pic

An interesting chart but can't really make much sense of it or really draw conclusions from it
I guess it shows firearm related deaths per 100,000 people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

Even the other chart

Country	Total	Method of Calculation	Homicides	Suicides	Unintentional	Undetermined	Sources and notes	Guns per 100 inhabitants
Honduras	67.18	(incomplete)	66.64 (2013)	0.41 (2013)	0.13 (2013)	unavailable	Guns in Honduras[29]	6.2
Venezuela	59.13	(mixed years)	39.00 (2009)	0.48 (2007)	0.17 (2007)	19.48 (2007)	Guns in Venezuela[78]	10.7
El Salvador	45.6	(2011)	26.49 (2013)	0.13 (2009)	0.15 (1999)	unavailable	Guns in El Salvador[20]	5.8
Swaziland	37.16	(incomplete)	37.16 (2004)	unavailable	unavailable	unavailable	Guns in Swaziland[67]	6.4
Guatemala	34.10	(mixed years)	29.62 (2013)	0.34 (2009)	1.33 (2009)	2.81 (2009)	Guns in Guatemala[28]	13.1
Jamaica	30.72	(incomplete)	30.38 (2013)	0.34 (1995)	unavailable	unavailable	Guns in Jamaica[38]	8.1
Colombia	25.94	(mixed years)	23.93 (2013)	0.87 (2009)	0.11 (2009)	1.03 (2009)	Guns in Colombia[14]	5.9
Brazil	21.2	(2014)	19.99 (2014)	0.45 (2014)	0.18 (2014)	0.59 (2014)	Mapa da Violência 2016[10]	8
Panama	15.11	(mixed years)	14.36 (2013)	0.57 (2009)	0.06 (2002)	0.12 (2009)	Guns in Panama[52]	21.7
Uruguay	11.52	(mixed years)	4.78 (2013)	4.68 (2009)	2.00 (2009)	0.06 (2009)	Guns in Uruguay[77]	31.8
United States	10.54	(2014)	3.60 (2014)	6.30 (2014)	0.18 (2014)	0.08 (2014)	Guns in United States[76]	112.6
Montenegro	8.91	(incomplete)	2.42 (2011)	6.49 (2009)	unavailable	unavailable	Guns in Montenegro[47]	23.1
Philippines	8.90	(incomplete)	8.90 (2003)	unavailable	unavailable	unavailable	Guns in Philippines[55]	4.7
South Africa	8.3	(2010)	8.2 (2010)	0.1 (2010)	0.02 (1999)	0.11 (1999)	Guns in South Africa[64]	12.7
Paraguay	7.76	(mixed years)	5.78 (2013)	1.16 (2009)	0.30 (2009)	0.52 (2009)	Guns in Paraguay[53]	17
Mexico	7.64	(mixed years)	6.34 (2015)	0.44 (2014)	0.40 (2014)	0.46 (2014)	Guns in Mexico[45]	15
Costa Rica	7.50	(mixed years)	5.92 (2013)	1.27 (2002)	0.07 (2002)	0.24 (2000)	Guns in Costa Rica[15]	9.9
Argentina	6.36	(2009)	2.58 (2012)	1.57 (2009)	0.05 (2009)	2.57 (2009)	Guns in Argentina[1][2]	10.2
Peru	5.53	(mixed years)	4.22 (2013)	0.07 (2009)	0.93 (2007)	0.31 (2007)	Guns in Peru[54]	18.8
Nicaragua	4.68	(mixed years)	3.72 (2012)	0.34 (2010)	0.16 (2010)	0.46 (2010)	Guns in Nicaragua[50]	7.7
Serbia	3.49	(2012)	0.61 (2012)	2.49 (2012)	0.14 (2012)	0.29 (2012)	Guns in Serbia[60]	75.6
Finland	3.25	(2013)	0.32 (2012)	2.94 (2013)	0.02 (2011)	0.02 (2010)	Guns in Finland[22][23]	27.5
Barbados	3.12	(incomplete)	3.12 (2013)	unavailable	unavailable	unavailable	Guns in Barbados[6]	7.8
Switzerland	3.01	(mixed years)	0.21 (2015)	2.74 (2013)	0.04 (2013)	0.09 (2013)	Gun laws in Switzerland[69]	24.45
France	2.83	(2012)	0.21 (2012)	2.16 (2012)	0.04 (2012)	0.41 (2012)	Guns in France[24]	31.2
Croatia	2.68	(2012)	0.40 (2012)	2.37 (2012)	0.05 (2012)	0.02 (2010)	Guns in Croatia[16]	21.7
Estonia	2.67	(2012)	0.15 (2012)	2.11 (2012)	0.15 (2011)	0.30 (2012)	Guns in Estonia[21]	9.2
Slovenia	2.64	(mixed years)	0.20 (2012)	2.34 (2010)	0.05 (2009)	0.05 (2010)	Guns in Slovenia[63]	13.5
Austria	2.63	(2011)	0.10 (2011)	2.43 (2011)	0.01 (2009)	0.04 (2011)	Guns in Austria[4]	30.4
Israel	2.09	(2011)	1.04 (2011)	0.67 (2011)	0.05 (2011)	0.26 (2011)	Guns in Israel[36]	7.3
Czech Republic	2.01	(2012)	0.15 (2012)	1.66 (2012)	0.09 (2012)	0.13 (2012)	Guns in Czech Republic[18]	16.3
Georgia	1.98	(mixed years)	0.49 (2010)	0.09 (2009)	1.00 (2009)	0.40 (2010)	Guns in Georgia[25]	7.3
Canada	1.97	(mixed years)	0.38 (2013)	1.52 (2011)	0.05 (2011)	0.02 (2011)	Statistics Canada [12]	30.8
Turkey	1.95	(mixed years)	1.03 (2016)	0.81 (2013)	0.11 (2016)	0.01 (2016)	Mixed sources [71][72][73]	?
Chile	1.95	(mixed years)	1.02 (2011)	0.81 (2009)	0.08 (2009)	0.04 (2001)	Guns in Chile[13]	10.7
Cyprus	1.87	(mixed years)	1.05 (2012)	0.58 (2011)	0.12 (2009)	0.12 (2010)	Guns in Cyprus[17]	36.4
Slovakia	1.83	(mixed years)	0.26 (2012)	0.94 (2010)	0.39 (2010)	0.24 (2010)	Guns in Slovakia[62]	8.3
Belgium	1.82	(2010)	0.33 (2010)	1.33 (2010)	0.02 (2010)	0.14 (2010)	Guns in Belgium[8]	17.2
Norway	1.75	(2012)	0.10 (2012)	1.63 (2012)	0.02 (2012)	0.00 (2008)	Guns in Norway[51]	31.3
Bulgaria	1.71	(2012)	0.34 (2012)	0.97 (2012)	0.23 (2012)	0.10 (2012)	Guns in Bulgaria[11]	6.2
Macedonia	1.69	(mixed years)	0.91 (2011)	0.63 (2010)	0.15 (2010)	0.00 (1997)	Guns in Macedonia[44]	?
Portugal	1.58	(mixed years)	0.42 (2012)	1.01 (2011)	0.03 (2011)	0.12 (2011)	Guns in Portugal[57]	8.5
Greece	1.52	(2011)	0.53 (2011)	0.86 (2011)	0.06 (2011)	0.00 (1998)	Guns in Greece[27]	22.5
Sweden	1.47	(2010)	0.19 (2010)	1.20 (2010)	0.06 (2010)	0.01 (2010)	Guns in Sweden[68]	31.6
Latvia	1.43	(2010)	0.18 (2010)	0.94 (2010)	0.04 (2010)	0.27 (2010)	Guns in Latvia[42]	19
Italy	1.31	(2010)	0.35 (2010)	0.87 (2010)	0.09 (2010)	0.02 (2010)	Guns in Italy[37]	11.9
Denmark	1.28	(2011)	0.22 (2011)	1.09 (2011)	0.04 (2008)	0.02 (2010)	Guns in Denmark[19]	12
Iceland	1.25	(incomplete)	0.00 (2012)	1.25 (2009)	unavailable	unavailable	Guns in Iceland[32]	30.3
Luxembourg	1.19	(2011)	0.00 (2011)	1.16 (2011)	0.22 (2004)	0.39 (2010)	Guns in Luxembourg[43]	15.3
New Zealand	1.07	(mixed years)	0.18 (2013)	0.84 (2011)	0.05 (2010)	0.00 (2010)	Guns in New Zealand[49]	22.6
Moldova	1.03	(2011)	0.45 (2011)	0.42 (2011)	0.08 (2011)	0.08 (2011)	Guns in Moldova[46]	7.1
Kyrgyzstan	1.01	(2010)	0.53 (2010)	0.07 (2010)	0.28 (2010)	0.13 (2010)	Guns in Kyrgyzstan[41]	0.9
Germany	1.01	(2012)	0.07 (2012)	0.84 (2012)	0.01 (2012)	0.08 (2012)	Guns in Germany[26]	30.3
Hungary	0.95	(2012)	0.11 (2012)	0.81 (2012)	0.02 (2012)	0.02 (2012)	Guns in Hungary[31]	5.5
Australia	0.93	(2013)	0.16 (2013)	0.74 (2013)	0.02 (2013)	0.02 (2013)	Guns in Australia[3]	21.7
Taiwan	0.87	(mixed years)	0.60 (2008)	0.12 (1994)	0.11 (1994)	0.04 (1994)	Guns in Taiwan[70]	?
Ireland	0.8	(2012)	0.25 (2012)	0.28 (2012)	0.08 (2012)	unavailable	Guns in Ireland[35]	3.89
Bolivia	0.74	(incomplete)	0.74 (2010)	unavailable	unavailable	unavailable	Guns in Bolivia[9]	2.8
Spain	0.62	(mixed years)	0.15 (2010)	0.42 (2010)	0.05 (2010)	0.00 (2007)	Guns in Spain[66]	10.4
Netherlands	0.58	(2011)	0.29 (2011)	0.28 (2011)	0.01 (2010)	0.01 (2010)	Guns in Netherlands[48]	3.9
Zimbabwe	0.39	(mixed years)	0.3 (2007)	0.09 (1995)	unavailable	unavailable	Guns in Zimbabwe[79]	4.6
Kuwait	0.36	(mixed years)	0.36 (1995)	0.00 (1999)	0.00 (2000)	0.00 (2000)	Guns in Kuwait[40]	24.8
Azerbaijan	0.30	(incomplete)	0.27 (2010)	0.01 (2007)	0.02 (2007)	unavailable	Guns in Azerbaijan[5]	3.5
India	0.28	(2014)	0.30 (2009)	0.14 (2008)	0.04 (2008)	unavailable	Guns in India[33][34]	4.2
Poland	0.26	(2011)	0.04 (2011)	0.09 (2011)	0.03 (2011)	0.10 (2011)	Guns in Poland[56]	1.3
Ukraine	0.24	(incomplete)	0.24 (2009)	unavailable	unavailable	unavailable	Guns in Ukraine[74]	6.6
United Kingdom	0.23	(2011)	0.06 (2011)	0.15 (2011)	0.00 (2011)	0.02 (2011)	Guns in the United Kingdom[75]	6.6
Belarus	0.23	(incomplete)	0.14 (2009)	unavailable	0.09 (1996)	unavailable	Guns in Belarus[7]	7.3
Singapore	0.16	(mixed years)	0.02 (2006)	0.12 (1998)	0.02 (1998)	0.00 (1998)	Guns in Singapore[61]	0.5
Qatar	0.15	(incomplete)	0.15 (2004)	unavailable	unavailable	unavailable	Guns in Qatar[58]	19.2
Romania	0.14	(mixed years)	0.04 (2012)	0.06 (2011)	0.04 (2011)	0.00 (2011)	Guns in Romania[59]	0.7
South Korea	0.08	(mixed years)	0.02 (2011)	0.04 (2002)	0.01 (2002)	0.01 (2002)	Guns in South Korea[65]	1.1
Japan	0.06	(mixed years)	0.00 (2008)	0.04 (1999)	0.01 (1999)	0.01 (1999)	Guns in Japan[39]	0.6
Hong Kong	0.03	(mixed years)	0.00 (2004)	0.03 (1999)	0.00 (1996)	0.00 (1996)	Guns in Hong Kong[30]	?
Country	Total	Method of Calculation	Homicides	Suicides	Unintentional	Undetermined	Sources and notes	Guns per 100 hab

I don't know if it means anything or not but USA does have the most guns per 100 of any other country.

I guess draw your conclusions or more likely there is no conclusion to be drawn

[questner]

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/t...n-history.html

"According to a new study, more public mass shootings occur in the U.S. than in any other country in the world"..

In my opinion, it is a social issue. It is a wish to harm other people, a way to settle any argument by a bullet.

I just recently finished watching a documentary (2017) on PBS on Vietnam War. 2 million of Vietnamese, mostly civilians, lost their lives in the conflict.

As a first step I would like to see the US stop killing civilians indiscriminately around the world.

However, sadly no such amendment in the Constitution.

[greydread]

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

Click to see pic

Looks like with the exception of Bolivia, the entire Western Hemisphere is an easy place to get shot.

[j_d66]

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/t...n-history.html

"According to a new study, more public mass shootings occur in the U.S. than in any other country in the world"..

In my opinion, it is a social issue. It is a wish to harm other people, a way to settle any argument by a bullet.

I just recently finished watching a documentary (2017) on PBS on Vietnam War. 2 million of Vietnamese, mostly civilians, lost their lives in the conflict.

As a first step I would like to see the US stop killing civilians indiscriminately around the world.

However, sadly no such amendment in the Constitution.

Wow the USA is sadly well represented on that list

Rank	Mass Shooting Location	Victims
1	Norway, Oslo/Utoeya (2011)	77
2	USA, Las Vegas (2017)	59
3	USA, Orlando, Florida (2016)	49
4	Australia, Port Arthur (1996)	35
5	USA, Blacksburg, Virginia (2007)	32
6	USA, Newtown, Connecticut (2012)	27
7	USA, Killeen, Texas (1991)	23
8	USA, San Ysidro, California (1984)	21
9	Brazil (1997)	17
10	Scotland, Dunblane (1996)	17
11	Germany, Erfurt (2002)	16
12	England, Hungerford (1987)	16
13	USA, Austin, Texas (1966)	16
14	Germany, Winnenden (2009)	15
15	Switzerland, Zug (2001)	14
16	USA, Edmond, Oklahoma (1986)	14
17	New Zealand, Aramoana (1990)	13
18	USA, Fort Hood, Texas (2009)	13
19	USA, Littleton, Colorado (1999)	13
20	USA, Binhampton, New York (2009)	13
21	France, Toulon (1995)	13
22	USA, Aurora, Texas (2012)	12
23	Azerbaijan, Baku (2009)	12
24	USA, Atlanta, Georgia (1999)	12
25	USA, Jacksonville, Florida (1990)	10
26	Finland, Kauhajok (2008)	10
27	USA, Alabama (2009)	10
28	USA, Red Lake, Minnesota (2005)	9
29	USA, Los Angeles, California (2008)	9
30	Canada, Montreal (1989)	9
31	France, Nanterre (2002)	8
32	Finland, Tuusula (2007)	8
33	Japan, Osaka (2001)	8
34	USA, Fullerton, California (1976)	7

[whynotme]

An interesting chart but can't really make much sense of it or really draw conclusions from it
I guess it shows firearm related deaths per 100,000 people

its designed for those that don't like to read or that ride the short bus

I liked it

and it puts things in perspective with the rest of the world................ the bigger the circle the more gun deaths ugg
the usa is five times higher than Canada but 65% less than some of the other countries

[Jimmydr]

With the proliferation of media in our society these things likely are not going to stop as it gives these people more than 15 minutes of fame.

It makes me wonder what drove this guy to commit such a horrible act.

I am all for someone having guns for their own protection or for sporting purposes but not at the level or type that this guy had.

There is no valid reason for any civilian to be able to own the types and number of weapons this guy had and it sounds like he purchased all of them legally.

IMO there needs to be some changes in regards to the laws of gun ownership with the number of and types of weapons a civilian can own.

Not even the NRA should support laws that allow people to own weapons in this manner.

Let's see if our do nothing Congress will have the courage to do something about it. Odds are they won't

1,500 mass shootings since 2012.

[greydread]

Quote the Outlaw Josey Wales: "Dying ain't much of a living, Boy".

Life in the USA is turning into a Western movie. You can watch 100 people die on TV every night but flash 1 tit-tay and the whole f'ing country is in an uproar.

There's a lot more wrong here than a few isolated nut cases. The collective American psyche is more accepting of violent death than casual sex.

Hustling backwards...

[Hunter]

Quote the Outlaw Josey Wales: "Dying ain't much of a living, Boy".

Life in the USA is turning into a Western movie. You can watch 100 people die on TV every night but flash 1 tit-tay and the whole f'ing country is in an uproar.

There's a lot more wrong here than a few isolated nut cases. The collective American psyche is more accepting of violent death than casual sex.

Hustling backwards...

You really become numb to them.....Just another one and there will be more....I dont get upset really anymore....totally numb.

[MrHappy]

An interesting chart but can't really make much sense of it or really draw conclusions from it
I guess it shows firearm related deaths per 100,000 people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate


I don't know if it means anything or not but USA does have the most guns per 100 of any other country.

I guess draw your conclusions or more likely there is no conclusion to be drawn

Hmm.... maybe the answer is tax the living daylights out of the sale of guns, and have folks pay taxes on every gun they own every year.

Wanna have guns? Fine. Pay taxes for them like booze and cigarettes

[Jimmydr]

Hmm.... maybe the answer is tax the living daylights out of the sale of guns, and have folks pay taxes on every gun they own every year.

Wanna have guns? Fine. Pay taxes for them like booze and cigarettes

So the guys going on shooting sprees will care about higher taxes?

[Happyhorn]

The 1st hint he was crazy, was a rich guy from Vegas with a 62 year old Filipino girlfriend.

[greydread]

Nevermind Papi, it was wishful thinking on my part.

I'm assuming the "discussion" you refer to, is about yet more gun control laws, correct? Call your buddy Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago. Ask him how all those tough as nails gun laws in his city are working out.

Oh, and blame the NRA. Can't leave them out of the discussion. That heinous organization is to blame for every mass shooting in America, right?

What in the ever-loving Fuck does the issue of a madman using an outdoor concert venue as a killing box after hauling dozens of weapons and thousands of rounds to a high rise hotel and shooting the shit out of hundreds of innocent people have to do with Rahm Emanuel or Chicago or whatever that whole pocket full of deflection was all about?

The natural fact is that while total gun restriction is against the spirit of the law as stated in the 2nd amendment there is still room for some common sense application of that article of the Bill of Rights. Any weapon which can be converted into a weapon of mass destruction (yeah, over 500 shot in one sitting is Mass Destruction) should be banned. This will have absolutely zero effect upon hunters and competition shooters.

The rifles bought by this particular deranged individual were "legal" but the modifications which he made to those weapons were highly illegal. Those modifications aren't an option for bolt or lever action rifles so they should be exempted from any ban as long as the potential owner can pass an adequate background check.

The NRA operates under the assumption that any gun law is a bad law. I beg to differ (which is why I un-joined the NRA). Common sense should always be applied to regulation and with all these deaths and injuries in the past decades attributable to military knockoff style weapons, they should be removed from the inventory in favor of common mothafucking sense. If you need an HK416 for personal protection then you're obviously living wrong.

[Mr. Smooth]

What a fucking joke you are. As if your post wasn't already highly political in itself.

BTW Rahm Emanuel isn't my "buddy", I have never met the guy.

You also don't need to assume anything, I am quite capable of expressing my own opinion and I don't need you putting words in my mouth. Try to show just a tiny bit of intelectual integrity and react (or not) to what I post, not some assumption you pull out of your ass.

Ooohhh.....a little touchy are we? You've been the biggest clown on this board when it comes to assuming (wrongly....as usual) what someone else posts, particularly when you disagree and put your words into their mouth based upon your own misinterpretation.

I was hoping the politics could be set aside for a bit until the victims were buried, but as I said, wishful thinking on my part as the Dems and their lapdog media mavens already got out front and center and politicized the tragedy. Fucking political grandstanding at it's finest.

You think I pull my assumptions out of my ass? Why don't you pull your head out of yours?

[Mr. Smooth]

What in the ever-loving Fuck does the issue of a madman using an outdoor concert venue as a killing box after hauling dozens of weapons and thousands of rounds to a high rise hotel and shooting the shit out of hundreds of innocent people have to do with Rahm Emanuel or Chicago or whatever that whole pocket full of deflection was all about?

The natural fact is that while total gun restriction is against the spirit of the law as stated in the 2nd amendment there is still room for some common sense application of that article of the Bill of Rights. Any weapon which can be converted into a weapon of mass destruction (yeah, over 500 shot in one sitting is Mass Destruction) should be banned. This will have absolutely zero effect upon hunters and competition shooters.

The rifles bought by this particular deranged individual were "legal" but the modifications which he made to those weapons were highly illegal. Those modifications aren't an option for bolt or lever action rifles so they should be exempted from any ban as long as the potential owner can pass an adequate background check.

The NRA operates under the assumption that any gun law is a bad law. I beg to differ (which is why I un-joined the NRA). Common sense should always be applied to regulation and with all these deaths and injuries in the past decades attributable to military knockoff style weapons, they should be removed from the inventory in favor of common mothafucking sense. If you need an HK416 for personal protection then you're obviously living wrong.

Grey, you make some sense here. But in truth, all guns could be described as assault weapons. It only takes one bullet after all to take a life.

I brought up Chicago because of this very fact. No deflection whatsoever. Rahm Emanuel likes to say his city has the toughest gun laws in the country. Well, how does that square with the murder rate in his city? Not very good. The reason? Because a person bent on criminal intent does not care about what laws he is breaking and his behavior in that regard cannot be legislated by a bunch of politicians who want to pat themselves on the back for passing yet another gun law.

A criminal, in the case of the murder rate in Chicago as an example, does not fear the consequences of his actions, he is only concerned with retribution and settling some score. The aftermath is for others to worry about.

With this horrific tragedy in LV, this guy passed whatever legal background checks that were necessary in order to purchase his weapons. I don't know if he was crazy, he obviously knew what he was doing and how to carry it out, he mounted cameras outside his room door so he could see when LE was coming. He had to have had some weapons training somewhere and/or knowledge of various weapons accessories. I just can't figure out with all the surveillance in a major hotel casino, no one said anything or noticed any abnormal behavior about the guy. But LE has said up to this point in their investigation the killer did not fit into any profile that would lead to him being responsible for something like this tragedy. Maybe as time goes on, additional factors will become known to change that view beyond the conspiracy theorists.

But the bottom line is, just as with a thug in Chicago killing someone with a Saturday Night Special, this guy had a criminal and murderous intent when he aimed his weapon(s) out the window into that crowd. The countless number of illegal violations of the law, gun related or not, were no deterrent to the act he was hellbent on perpetrating.

And any new gun law legislation that get debated in the wake of this Vegas massacre and signed into law won't stop the criminal mind from inflicting whatever evil is in his heart.