08/2010 - Haitianas ?

[bryan_sr]

Good reading/learning !

[MrHappy]

I've got a woman friend that is French Canadian. She works extensively with Haitian orphans. French is her first language.

When she tells me she's been learning creole for the last 4 months, and she's finally beginning to comprehend conversations with haitians, I can surmise that creole is very different than French.

I have another latin friend who has been to Brazil many times. According to him, saying French is the same as Creole, is like saying Portuguese is the same as spanish.

They share lots of common words and sounds, but they are completely different.

[DRCowboy]

if kreyol is "easy" to learn, i may have to give it a shot.. cuz i love my haitianas !!!

and i REALLY love it when they get into a good fuck, and start screaming/moaning in kreyol !!!

This might help:
http://www.byki.com/lists/Haitian-cr...ick-start.html

[joeysterr]

creole is very different than French

[bailar]

This might help:
http://www.byki.com/lists/Haitian-cr...ick-start.html

What a scream!

[michel3275]

I'm a french canadian and créole is based on french but i dont understand it. I'd say that 50% of it is french mix with some weird words. And when in sosua in may, two haitiana were siting with us in front of Nakom's room saying they spoke french but while
talking to them, i could tell they didnt understand me at all

[weyland]

Although Haitian word usage is 98% derived from standard French the similarities are very much masked in conversation by one or two grammatical quirks (like putting the various definite articles after the noun, rather than before it as in [all?] European languages), and the thick caribbean accent.

I'm a french canadian and créole is based on french but i dont understand it. I'd say that 50% of it is french mix with some weird words.

This supports my opinion. Actually word usage (not vocabulary - my bad) is 98% French derived but here is a native French speaker who thinks it is only 50% because the "French" words are so well disguised by the syntax and accent (and in print by the spelling). Michel would find that most of those "weird words" are also derived from French, and most of the rest he would know from English and Spanish. Only a tiny handful of African words have survived.

[Nakom]

I'm a french canadian and créole is based on french but i dont understand it. I'd say that 50% of it is french mix with some weird words. And when in sosua in may, two haitiana were siting with us in front of Nakom's room saying they spoke french but while
talking to them, i could tell they didnt understand me at all

Michel was the source for my information. Y créeme que sabe francés!

[greydread]

I'm a french canadian and créole is based on french but i dont understand it. I'd say that 50% of it is french mix with some weird words. And when in sosua in may, two haitiana were siting with us in front of Nakom's room saying they spoke french but while
talking to them, i could tell they didnt understand me at all

Not "wierd words". West African words incorporated into the core French along with the propensity to drop entire syllables from French language words and mash up the tenses. I studied French for years in school (I'm kinda dumb), worked in Montreal and Paris and Geneva and never mastered the language but the first time I heard Haitian Creol I understood the exact meaning. I still can't speak much but I understand what's being said to me.

Think Ebonics or Spanglish. Same principles apply.

[Taurus1]

There are three

1 - Dominican
2 - Haitian
3 - Part Haitian/ Part Dominican

There are also:

4 - Arrayanas = descending from Haitian immigrants born in DR
many living in the bateyes near San Pedro de Macoris, La Romana,
Higuey, Puerto Plata, Andres/Boca Chica and all over rural DR.
Many speak Spanish as the Dominicans

[Taino]

Bring please the tripleprotection condoms/preservatives with you. The highest AIDS-Rate of haitian woman we have in the dominican republlic.
Spend more money and find a girl in the passion bar!

[weyland]

Arrayanas = descending from Haitian immigrants born in DR many living in the bateyes near San Pedro de Macoris, La Romana, Higuey, Puerto Plata, Andres/Boca Chica and all over rural DR. Many speak Spanish as the Dominicans

Hmm, interesting. I had never heard that word used with that meaning so I looked it up in the indices of several books I have on Dominican and Haitian culture without success, searched on the web without success, and then asked some Haitian and Dominican people on the premises here where I live. None of them were familar with the term.

I am always willing to learn more about both parts of Quisqueya, so I would be grateful if Taurus or another poster could cite some reference as to this meaning of the word.

[Maretti]

Bring please the tripleprotection condoms/preservatives with you. The highest AIDS-Rate of haitian woman we have in the dominican republlic.
Spend more money and find a girl in the passion bar!

No, thank you. It sounds like a scare tactic to railroad my money!

It's said that you bring into your life what you really, really want and also what you really, really don't want. I believe it.

I'll take my chances somewhere else in town, but I might drink a beer there my next trip!

[weyland]

I might drink a beer there [Passions] my next trip!

If you only want to drink beer, there are a helluva lot cheaper places to do that.

Bring please the tripleprotection condoms/preservatives with you. The highest AIDS-Rate of haitian woman we have in the dominican republlic.
Spend more money and find a girl in the passion bar!

Anyone who is concerned about protecting their health should use exactly the same precautions when taking a girl from Passions or any other dominicana as they would when taking a haitiana.

[TNT72]

i think he was referring to telling the differeance between a fresh across the river haitian, and one that has been in sosua for a while...


if kreyol is "easy" to learn, i may have to give it a shot.. cuz i love my haitianas !!!

and i REALLY love it when they get into a good fuck, and start screaming/moaning in kreyol !!!


i still believe diosiris is haitian/dominican.. but she insists that she is ONLY dominican NO haitian...

my favorite haitian so far is a cute little girl named rosie, and a tall one juleysia .. mmmmm

time to book a trip !!

You got issues!!!!

And yeah, D's got Haitian in her.

[Bhutto,BhuttoGolly]

Hmm, interesting. I had never heard that word used with that meaning so I looked it up in the indices of several books I have on Dominican and Haitian culture without success, searched on the web without success, and then asked some Haitian and Dominican people on the premises here where I live. None of them were familar with the term.

I am always willing to learn more about both parts of Quisqueya, so I would be grateful if Taurus or another poster could cite some reference as to this meaning of the word.

I was told by a tall 100% black looking chica in a bar/brothel kindafo place (for locals- near Sosua, along the Main Road; not sure if that was Playa Cangrejo?) that she was "arañada"- which litererally means "scratched"- but she explaind to me that it meant she's half-Haitian.
I was taken there by a moto-concho driver from Montellano. He also, took me to his home to "presentarme alguien". His 16 y.o. step-daughter!
Obviously nothing came of that. What a guy, though! LOL

[weyland]

I was told by a tall 100% black looking chica ... that she was "arañada"- which literally means "scratched" - but she explained to me that it meant she's half-Haitian.

Great post! Now we are getting somewhere!

My haitian cleaning-lady knows that expression. She said it is not demeaning and is used neutrally.

[Corrado]

Hey Gents,

Should I brush up on french, creole and Spanish or all thee above ???

I think my focus will be on the Haitianas my 1st trip, "a sista I can't resista" !

Slim

If you want Haitian chicas learning Creole will open a lot of doors for you. Most of them also speak Spanish so it will also go a long way, especially in getting around the DR.

My take on Creole is somewhat different than most other posters, in my experience Creole is not simply a sub dialect or spur from the French language. It is a completely different language and requires seperate study. You can engage in a conversation in Creole and never use a French cognate if you so desire. The largest misconception most people I meet have is that Haitians speak French, in reality only about 10-14% really speak French.

While everyone knows common greetings in French "hello", "good day", "how are you", "bye", the vast majority cannot form even simple sentences in French, much less hold a conversation. The thing that makes real understanding of the nature convoluted is that educated Haitians go from Creole to proper French mid sentence and return to Creole a few sentences later (especially when going between ideas), or will express specific ideas in French and specific ideas in Creole, ......in either case a great deal of the time they will say that they were speaking in Creole......rather than French or a mixture thereof.

[getrhythm]

Unlike past trips, I've actually been with more haitianas than dominicanas on this trip, and am starting to acquire a preference for them. Not only do they come at a lower price point, but they just don't seem as jaded as just about every dominicana puta down here. Not that they're great every time mind you, but I'm glad they seem to be becoming an even larger part of the mix than prior.

[weyland]

You can engage in a conversation in Creole and never use a French cognate if you so desire.

Good post. I entirely agree it is a separate language in its own right, not a dialect or patois, but I don't believe your above statement. I challenge you to post a four-line example to prove your point. The more I study Kreyòl the more I realise the words are borrowed from French, although they make look or sound unrecognisable at first.