To Judge Or Not To Judge?

[Count]

I for one see absolutely nothing wrong with chicas accepting $$ from a novia whether they are in town or home in North America and screwing me at the same time. Are you in it for love or sex? Me, SEX! Period.
One, it's a different culture. Two, it's a business or means of support. And three, if they have a novia it likely means they got skills...and maybe they won't fall in love with you. Bonus!!

[greydread]

One, it's a different culture. Two, it's a business or means of support. And three, if they have a novia it likely means they got skills...and maybe they won't fall in love with you. Bonus!!
This is like a breath of fresh air to me.

Guys judging Chicas as dishonest for sleeping around just don't understand the culture there. It's more appropriate to judge them by how they treat you when they're with you. Here we are, a bunch of self described sluts and for us to look at the women upon whom we practice our sluttitude as anything other than our salvation is to take hypocrasy to a new level.

Two of my favorite Dominicanas (both of whom will be gnawing on my Johnson in a few days) are married. One is married to an American and the other is married to a Dominican. Both have left their spouses to spend an evening with me on several visits. Do I think less of them for it? Hell no. These women came as angels of mercy to serve as my "night nurse" and help make my trips as pleasurable as could be.

For a small fiscal consideration, of course.

These women were not starving as their spouses take very good care of their needs at home so the money was not the only consideration. This is where it gets tricky. They took the money I offered without counting it and we never spoke about it. This is how they soothe their consciences and rationalize the fact that they enjoyed themselves. They've only got a short window of peak attraction and eventually they'll bite into that empanada that will make their waistlines disappear forever.

These women are living it like there's no tomorrow, just like me and I don't blame them. I also don't need to rationalize this symbiotic relationship between me and these men's wives by telling myself "Oh he probably beats her" or "He probably doesn't make enough money to feed the kids and keep the roof over their heads". Fuck that. They fuck with me because they like to and for those of you who know women like that, consider yourselves lucky, be slow to judge and quick to appreciate.

[nomad]

I just mention these two classic stories to not only keep me in check, but as well to have all of you think twice before sending WU money to a chica that is telling you that she is waiting only for you!!!

Pics will come soon......................


I just want to add amor de lejos es amor de pendejos. (long distance relationships are for fools).
These girls made a living before they met you and they will make a living after you are gone.

[Inconego]

This is like a breath of fresh air to me.

Guys judging Chicas as dishonest for sleeping around just don't understand the culture there. It's more appropriate to judge them by how they treat you when they're with you. Here we are, a bunch of self described sluts and for us to look at the women upon whom we practice our sluttitude as anything other than our salvation is to take hypocrasy to a new level.

Two of my favorite Dominicanas (both of whom will be gnawing on my Johnson in a few days) are married. One is married to an American and the other is married to a Dominican. Both have left their spouses to spend an evening with me on several visits. Do I think less of them for it? Hell no. These women came as angels of mercy to serve as my "night nurse" and help make my trips as pleasurable as could be.

For a small fiscal consideration, of course.

These women were not starving as their spouses take very good care of their needs at home so the money was not the only consideration. This is where it gets tricky. They took the money I offered without counting it and we never spoke about it. This is how they soothe their consciences and rationalize the fact that they enjoyed themselves. They've only got a short window of peak attraction and eventually they'll bite into that empanada that will make their waistlines disappear forever.

These women are living it like there's no tomorrow, just like me and I don't blame them. I also don't need to rationalize this symbiotic relationship between me and these men's wives by telling myself "Oh he probably beats her" or "He probably doesn't make enough money to feed the kids and keep the roof over their heads". Fuck that. They fuck with me because they like to and for those of you who know women like that, consider yourselves lucky, be slow to judge and quick to appreciate.

Good post... I know women like that, and i love them for it... One has to be very careful though, cause the problem arises when that woman wants to make you 'the husband'...

To be honest I do judge them, hey, if she fucks around on her husband/boyfriend with me, why would I be different when it's my turn...

So as Count said above--one should be carful about maintining distance, at least to the point where she won't try to make you THAT dude...

[Hemp]

I agree with Grey and Incog...a little of both

Very different culture, but i do find myself judging at times.

[Inconego]

I for one see absolutely nothing wrong with chicas accepting $$ from a novia whether they are in town or home in North America and screwing me at the same time. Are you in it for love or sex? Me, SEX! Period.
One, it's a different culture. Two, it's a business or means of support. And three, if they have a novia it likely means they got skills...and maybe they won't fall in love with you. Bonus!!

Count, so if lets say a chica was educated, pretty, etc, lets say now she was in the states, and you suspected at one point that's how she got down, would you still 'wife' her up? Same goes for Greydread...

[Berzin]

Well, there is a perverse duplicity here that I can't get around. The reason a guy would take care of a chica is typical, and we've all heard these stories before as they never change-guy meets a chica he likes, she tells him how much she hates having to "work" and the guy sets her up with what she needs so that she doesn't have to resort to that lifestyle anymore.

That is the unofficial, unwritten contract. They get set up by a foreigner and the chica goes to school, works at a different job and/or stays home and takes care of the kids with the tacit or direct understanding that all clients get cut off.

This is where the misunderstanding comes in. The guy assumes that there is no more hooking on the part of the chica. That is the part of the contract that the chica breaks. Right, wrong or delusional, it would make sense that all parties are operating and agreeing to the same terms.

Whatever childish, amoral reasoning the chica uses to justify her behavior, she is breaking her end of the agreement.

Somewhere along the line there has to be accountability. But with these types of women there usually isn't. They break the rules without remorse and usually wind up right where they started-back in the corrugated tin shack.

Once a guy is taking care of a chica and her kids, the rules change. She HAS to behave or run the risk of going back to square none. And many do wind up back where they started and sometimes worse when the eventually get busted. How does this myopic view benefit the chica and her family?

Like I stated, it may delusional for the guy to think that the chica will stop servicing clients, but it is equally delusional on the part of the chica to think she can do whatever she wants when the guy isn't physically present.

As we see they don't seem to care even when the guy IS present.

[Count]

Good question, Incogneg.
The answer is, I might, to the extent I want I wife now (had one once, followed by long time common-law set up, I look after the kid) and I'm not sure I do want a wife now.
I believe that strength of character comes from taking the lessons you've learned from your parents (or guardian, teacher, some life force) and applying them to overcome life's obstacles. To the extent I could be convinced she had "reformed" her ways, and had lots of other things going for her, I might. In fact, she might be the perfect partner, as I've been there and done that, too.

[greydread]

Count, so if lets say a chica was educated, pretty, etc, lets say now she was in the states, and you suspected at one point that's how she got down, would you still 'wife' her up? Same goes for Greydread...
Sounds like you knew my first wife.

At one point while I was in the military we were separated for up to 6 mo.s at a time. Later in my civilian work we were separated for up to a couple months at a time. It would be utter stupidity on my part to think that the time never came when she would require a tune up an she wouldn't seek out a another qualified mechanic. Neither she nor I ever brought any possible indiscretion around one another, our home or our children so we never had problems arise from that. She was done in by fiscal mishandling and the problems that I was faced to deal with as a result of her conniving and treachery. I was working my ass off to establish my career and the more I made, the greedier and more selfish she got.

Missteps in a marriage are acceptable and to be accepted. A serious character flaw can be fatal. There are so many more important aspects of marriage than sex that it hardly deserves a mention. Guys who have been married know this.

To answer your question: I only care how she treats me.

[Inconego]

Sounds like you knew my first wife.

At one point while I was in the military we were separated for up to 6 mo.s at a time. Later in my civilian work we were separated for up to a couple months at a time. It would be utter stupidity on my part to think that the time never came when she would require a tune up an she wouldn't seek out a another qualified mechanic. Neither she nor I ever brought any possible indiscretion around one another, our home or our children so we never had problems arise from that. She was done in by fiscal mishandling and the problems that I was faced to deal with as a result of her conniving and treachery. I was working my ass off to establish my career and the more I made, the greedier and more selfish she got.

Missteps in a marriage are acceptable and to be accepted. A serious character flaw can be fatal. There are so many more important aspects of marriage than sex that it hardly deserves a mention. Guys who have been married know this.

To answer your question: I only care how she treats me.

Grey, good response as always, you pulled me to the edge, and just when I was about to jump, you answered the question!:rofl:

Thanks...

So I guess you and Count make sure your monies aren't too far behind your mouths... Respect!

[greydread]

Well, there is a perverse duplicity here that I can't get around..........

This is where the misunderstanding comes in. The guy assumes that there is no more hooking on the part of the chica. That is the part of the contract that the chica breaks. ............Whatever childish, amoral reasoning the chica uses to justify her behavior, she is breaking her end of the agreement.

Somewhere along the line there has to be accountability. But with these types of women there usually isn't. They break the rules without remorse and usually wind up right where they started-back in the corrugated tin shack.

Once a guy is taking care of a chica and her kids, the rules change. She HAS to behave or run the risk of going back to square none. And many do wind up back where they started and sometimes worse when the eventually get busted. How does this myopic view benefit the chica and her family?

Like I stated, it may delusional for the guy to think that the chica will stop servicing clients, but it is equally delusional on the part of the chica to think she can do whatever she wants when the guy isn't physically present.

As we see they don't seem to care even when the guy IS present.
That's the game in a nutshell and it's played to some extent between men and women all over the World. When she tells the guy "No otra Chicas" do you think she believes that shit? Women act on their feelings and instinct and most of the time there's dick, material gain or both involved. Not just in the D.R. but all over the planet.

I've seen guys drive themselves nuts over wondering what their women were up to whether they are across the ocean or across the street. This is a terrible waste of a man's energy. I prefer to just concentrate on what I do know about which is how she treats me and the hell with the rest of that dumb shit because I know she's going to toss my salad, drool all over my nut sack, sword swallow my dick and sit on my face and I'd rather just concentrate on that.

Then she'll get up and cook me something to eat.:corky:

I've said it before and I'll say it again: "A Man can't own a pussy and a Woman can't own a dick". As "perverse and duplicitous" as the game is between Cats and Dogs it's the only game in town so we'd be best served by paying attention, learning the rules an bringing our best game every time.

Rule #1= Don't get caught breaking any of the following rules.

[Jimmydr]

I for one see absolutely nothing wrong with chicas accepting $$ from a novia whether they are in town or home in North America and screwing me at the same time. Are you in it for love or sex? Me, SEX! Period.
One, it's a different culture. Two, it's a business or means of support. And three, if they have a novia it likely means they got skills...and maybe they won't fall in love with you. Bonus!!


Skills no, have you seen these WU suckers!

[Jimmydr]

We have gone over this before. When someone sends me a PM to remove his hooker novia´s picture, it becomes a problem at that point. I had no problems riding around in Yocasta´s SUV in Sosua. I liked it.

[Jimmydr]

I have met some 15 year old boys that handle their girls better than some over these over 30 year old MEN!

[Inconego]

Hey, those 15 yr old boys haven't been conditioned, us 'older guys' have just become victims of our conditioning, even our conditioning has been conditioned....

....I could go on, but you get my point...

[Hemp]

Come on Incog....im shocked that you made this statement.



Hey, those 15 yr old boys haven't been conditioned, us 'older guys' have just become victims of our conditioning, even our conditioning has been conditioned....

....I could go on, but you get my point...

[JD426]

I've seen guys drive themselves nuts over wondering what their women were up to whether they are across the ocean or across the street. This is a terrible waste of a man's energy. I prefer to just concentrate on what I do know about which is how she treats me and the hell with the rest of that dumb shit because I know she's going to toss my salad, drool all over my nut sack, sword swallow my dick and sit on my face and I'd rather just concentrate on that.

Then she'll get up and cook me something to eat.:corky:

I've said it before and I'll say it again: "A Man can't own a pussy and a Woman can't own a dick". As "perverse and duplicitous" as the game is between Cats and Dogs it's the only game in town so we'd be best served by paying attention, learning the rules an bringing our best game every time.

Rule #1= Don't get caught breaking any of the following rules.

Although I agree with you on this, and most everything you post, I think you make that sound WAYYYY too easy. It takes an ENORMOUS amount of maturity and discipline to get to this point where you have so much self confidence that you just don't worry about what your woman is up to when you are not there. (if we are talking about a SO/ Gf/ Wife here ?? )
Any guy who could follow this advice would be much better off in the long run, but its a rare quality/ learned skill , IMO.
or maybe some of us just dont have that Jealousy gene which can drive some guys so completely Nuts.

[Beads]

People cheat on their husbands and wives all the time with no money even being involved. It could be for any number of reasons but "usually" money isn't even involved.

Add money into the equation brings the odds up.

[Inconego]

Come on Incog....im shocked that you said this statement.

One can't always talk trash to the older guys.... Some of them might catch me in a Charamicos back alley one of these days... God knows what some of these guys could do with their Colostomy bags :eek: ...

Sometimes one has to empathize, after all we shall all grow old one day--if we're lucky...

" Uhmmmmm Nam Myoho Renge Kyo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nam_Myoho_Renge_Kyo) Uhmmmmm"

[Hemp]

Sometimes i think Grey drizzy forgets that he is like the Master Yoda of mongering and most of us are Obi Won's in training...

slow down grey, let us catch up to your thought process...lol

:wink:



Although I agree with you on this, and most everything you post, I think you make that sound WAYYYY too easy. It takes an ENORMOUS amount of maturity and discipline to get to this point where you have so much self confidence that you just don't worry about what your woman is up to when you are not there.

[bentwire]

i still say a whore is a whore married single, liveing on rotton fish or eating rice and beans,, whither she is collecting WU or working in a coffee shop never confuse yourself that its culture,, allowing it to be open and not questioned may be culture, but whoreing is whoreing and is not culture ordained

do i think there is anything wrong with it,, yes it is nasty, dirty corrupt, slutty, wrong, perverted, and sexualy disturbing and definetly belittles women in general,, all these reasons is why i am glad that we have whores because i too like these things

[Berzin]

Amidst these rules of engagement, I don't see how a woman working the streets of Sosua to provide for her family can win.

Some CAN, but there seems to be no positive endgame for most. Let me explain.

Women in latin american countries are second class citizens. Those that grow up in severe poverty usually wind up getting molested by the friends and family network(which by the way also happens in upper class homes as well-its' just hidden more effectively).

So they grow up thinking of themselves as a sexual commodity. With no other mean to earn decent money under a boiling hot sun, they go to Sosua/Boca Chica/Santo Domingo. Easy money you say to help raise all those little tigeritos shes' got running around in some two-bit campo? Not really.

Having a moral compass severely compromised by poverty, lack of family values and a get-over mentality instilled into them from birth, these chicas are-well equipped to navigate the mine field of the whore game.

But at what cost? Some of them become useless at anything else-untrustworthy as a friend/lover/companion, unskilled at any other job besides putiando and no parenting skills to speak of.

Don't believe me? You think those putas when they are lovely, young 18-22 year olds simply disappear or follow each other off a cliff into the sea like lemmings when they are past their sell-by date?

No. Its' back to the campo for most. None the wiser, none the richer and that much more worn out, like a used pencil eraser.

Back to living in a hut with no running water with pretty much the only man that would have them back-a old barrio tigre who like the chica is also past his sell-by date.

So some of the ones who are offered a one-way ticket out can never appreciate what they have when a silly foreign fool wants to help them and they WILL fuck it up most of the time, guaranteed.

So the same pathetic cycle begins all over again for the next generation who are either unwilling or incapable of learning from that battered old puta who lives at the end of the street who used to be the cock of the walk in her heyday and is now living no better than when she first got into the game.

[DominicanBilly]

Amidst these rules of engagement, I don't see how a woman working the streets of Sosua to provide for her family can win.

Some CAN, but there seems to be no positive endgame for most. Let me explain.

Women in latin american countries are second class citizens. Those that grow up in severe poverty usually wind up getting molested by the friends and family network(which by the way also happens in upper class homes as well-its' just hidden more effectively).

So they grow up thinking of themselves as a sexual commodity. With no other mean to earn decent money under a boiling hot sun, they go to Sosua/Boca Chica/Santo Domingo. Easy money you say to help raise all those little tigeritos shes' got running around in some two-bit campo? Not really.

Having a moral compass severely compromised by poverty, lack of family values and a get-over mentality instilled into them from birth, these chicas are-well equipped to navigate the mine field of the whore game.

But at what cost? Some of them become useless at anything else-untrustworthy as a friend/lover/companion, unskilled at any other job besides putiando and no parenting skills to speak of.

Don't believe me? You think those putas when they are lovely young 18-22 year olds simply just disappear or follow each other off a cliff into the sea like lemmings when they are past their sell-by date?

No. Its' back to the campo for most. None the wiser, none the richer and that much more worn out, like a used pencil eraser.

Back to living in a hut with no running water with pretty much the only man that would have them back-a barrio tigre.

So some of the ones who are offered a one-way ticket out can never appreciate what they have when a silly foreign fool wants to help them and they WILL fuck it up most of the time, guaranteed.

So the same pathetic cycle begins all over again for the next generation who are either unwilling or incapable of learning from that battered old puta who lives at the end of the street who used to be the cock of the walk in her heyday and is now living no better than when she first got into the game.

What a great post. Every thing that you have written is true and I have seen it repeat itself time after time in the past 20 years. I vacationed here for 3 months in the winters from 1988 to 1991 then I retired here in 1992 and bought a home. I have spent more than 6 months a year in Puerto Plata from 1992 to 2002 and been here full time since 2002.

Of the hundreds and it might be nearly a thousand chicas that I have known since 1988 I only know of 2 or 3 that have managed to pull themselves out of the poverty cycle. They were able to make a good life for themselves after their puta lifestyle had passed them by.

As you stated
"Those that grow up in severe poverty usually wind up getting molested by the friends and family" has a lot to do with their lack of self respect and
"So they grow up thinking of themselves as a sexual commodity" which is the only thing of value they have with which to barter for an improved life.


So some of the ones who are offered a one-way ticket out can never appreciate what they have when a silly foreign fool wants to help them and they WILL fuck it up most of the time, guaranteed. This I've seen many many times and have experienced myself a few more times as well. They just can't stand prosperity.


No. Its' back to the campo for most. None the wiser, none the richer and that much more worn out, like a used pencil eraser. Back to living in a hut with no running water with pretty much the only man that would have them back AN OLD BARRIO TIGRE. The young "TIGRE's" would have anything to do with the old burnt out chicas who can't make them any money unless they want a cleaning lady.

Thank you very much, your post hits the nail on the head.

[Berzin]

The young "TIGRE's" would have anything to do with the old burnt out chicas who can't make them any money unless they want a cleaning lady.

Thanks for the kind words Billy. And I edited my post to include the omission that you pointed out-I did mean to say "old tigre" but left it out by mistake.

[Inconego]

i still say a whore is a whore married single, liveing on rotton fish or eating rice and beans,, whither she is collecting WU or working in a coffee shop never confuse yourself that its culture,, allowing it to be open and not questioned may be culture, but whoreing is whoreing and is not culture ordained

do i think there is anything wrong with it,, yes it is nasty, dirty corrupt, slutty, wrong, perverted, and sexualy disturbing and definetly belittles women in general,, all these reasons is why i am glad that we have whores because i too like these things

Bentwire, there's no hope for you... Hide the novias and bambinos:eek:

[Inconego]

Amidst these rules of engagement, I don't see how a woman working the streets of Sosua to provide for her family can win.

Some CAN, but there seems to be no positive endgame for most. Let me explain.

Women in latin american countries are second class citizens. Those that grow up in severe poverty usually wind up getting molested by the friends and family network(which by the way also happens in upper class homes as well-its' just hidden more effectively).

So they grow up thinking of themselves as a sexual commodity. With no other mean to earn decent money under a boiling hot sun, they go to Sosua/Boca Chica/Santo Domingo. Easy money you say to help raise all those little tigeritos shes' got running around in some two-bit campo? Not really.

Having a moral compass severely compromised by poverty, lack of family values and a get-over mentality instilled into them from birth, these chicas are-well equipped to navigate the mine field of the whore game.

But at what cost? Some of them become useless at anything else-untrustworthy as a friend/lover/companion, unskilled at any other job besides putiando and no parenting skills to speak of.

Don't believe me? You think those putas when they are lovely, young 18-22 year olds simply disappear or follow each other off a cliff into the sea like lemmings when they are past their sell-by date?

No. Its' back to the campo for most. None the wiser, none the richer and that much more worn out, like a used pencil eraser.

Back to living in a hut with no running water with pretty much the only man that would have them back-a old barrio tigre who like the chica is also past his sell-by date.

So some of the ones who are offered a one-way ticket out can never appreciate what they have when a silly foreign fool wants to help them and they WILL fuck it up most of the time, guaranteed.

So the same pathetic cycle begins all over again for the next generation who are either unwilling or incapable of learning from that battered old puta who lives at the end of the street who used to be the cock of the walk in her heyday and is now living no better than when she first got into the game.

Berzin, you consistantly win the award for "ISOC's Most Depressing Posts"...

You just have a nack for exposing the STARK realities...

[JD426]

Excellent post Berzin,
If I can humbly add just a small point to your obviously accurate real life experiences with these girl, as verified also by Dom Billy.

Every psychologist I have ever listened to or read articles about agrees on one thing about women, ALL women.
Their emotions and ways of acting or reacting to a situation is HARDWIRED, whereas men generally are not.
What I mean by this is that IF they are molested for example at a young age, they will SEEK OUT men who will be abusive to them. They will seek Chaos rather than what the rest of us would call a "normal Life" (ie a nice guy who buys them a house, kids who go to school, going to PTA meetings, u know Mrs June Cleaver type shit).
In other words when a soft hearted Gringo comes along and offers them stability, they will take the easier life(or money usually) for a short time perhaps, but they will go back to the chaos they came from, because its hardwired in their brains. CHAOS to them is the NORM.
I didnt make this up, its' just an accepted fact. And unless the chica gets some SERIOUS and expensive counseling(unlikely) she doesnt even have a chance .
So I dont blame them so much for "screwing it up", its apparantly the person who screwed them up when they were 9 -13 yrs old who is causing this viscous cyle to repeat itself. I dont see it ever changing in any 3rd world country.

[El Tiburon]

Berzin, you consistantly win the award for "ISOC's Most Depressing Posts"...

You just have a nack for exposing the STARK realities...

not sure why this topic keeps comming up... ok we get it.. third world countries survive on prostitution.. my first thought was that this topic keeps commin up to warn other members to not fall for the love for money trap.. to fill a void in men's wants and needs... but i see things a little different now.... i think this topic keeps getting brought up to build up the self esteem of the thread starter or topic starter...maybe there life is in such disarray that it makes them feel better to say" well at least i dont got to suk dik for a living"..
my point is instead of pointing the finger at the bad we see on trips down to third world countries, with all the brains on this site, why not come up with ideas on helping them or what could be done to fix the future????

"if your not part of the solution your part of the problem".. 2 cents

[Jimmydr]

not sure why this topic keeps comming up... ok we get it.. third world countries survive on prostitution.. my first thought was that this topic keeps commin up to warn other members to not fall for the love for money trap.. to fill a void in men's wants and needs... but i see things a little different now.... i think this topic keeps getting brought up to build up the self esteem of the thread starter or topic starter...maybe there life is in suck disarray that it makes them feel better to say" well at least i dont got to suk dik for a living"..
my point is instead of pointing the finger at the bad we see on trips down to third world countries, with all the brains on this site, why not come up with ideas on helping them or what could be done to fix the future????

"if your not part of the solution your part of the problem".. 2 cents


Start at home in the US, if thats what you really want to do. You come from a country that has its own poor people trying to get ahead.

[El Tiburon]

Start at home in the US, if thats what you really want to do. You come from a country that has its own poor people trying to get ahead.


alot of the poor people in this county sneek in from other countries... if they saw a future in there own country they might not leave it in the first place....

[Jimmydr]

alot of the poor people in this county sneek in from other countries... if they saw a future in there own country they might not leave it in the first place....


And many make that start up capital, even thou it may only be $10,000 - $25,000 and return home to set up that dream business.

[El Tiburon]

And many make that start up capital, even thou it may only be $10,000 - $25,000 and return home to set up that dream business.

whatz wrong with that??? ive met many men and women that came to work in america but retire outside... including other americans retire-ing to third world countries..

[Jimmydr]

whatz wrong with that??? ive met many men and women that came to work in america but retire outside... including other americans retire-ing to third world countries..

There is nothing wrong with that at all. Half the places I am eating at here in Laurelas Medellin are owned by Colombians that spent years in the States. Anyone that wants to work in the US can make it.

[El Tiburon]

And many make that start up capital, even thou it may only be $10,000 - $25,000 and return home to set up that dream business.

water always runs down hill... people will flock to where the money is at... i dont think that will ever change... my point to my original post is .. could we stop beating a dead dog??? the cycle of women in the d.r is understood.. why not have a thread to brainstorm where and how this cycle could be stopped instead of pointing the finger at the poor third world country girl with no education how she fucked up...

[eastcoastallstar]

Now this is the cold hard truth! Very good insight.


Amidst these rules of engagement, I don't see how a



woman working the streets of Sosua to provide for her family can win.

Some CAN, but there seems to be no positive endgame for most. Let me explain.

Women in latin american countries are second class citizens. Those that grow up in severe poverty usually wind up getting molested by the friends and family network(which by the way also happens in upper class homes as well-its' just hidden more effectively).

So they grow up thinking of themselves as a sexual commodity. With no other mean to earn decent money under a boiling hot sun, they go to Sosua/Boca Chica/Santo Domingo. Easy money you say to help raise all those little tigeritos shes' got running around in some two-bit campo? Not really.

Having a moral compass severely compromised by poverty, lack of family values and a get-over mentality instilled into them from birth, these chicas are-well equipped to navigate the mine field of the whore game.

But at what cost? Some of them become useless at anything else-untrustworthy as a friend/lover/companion, unskilled at any other job besides putiando and no parenting skills to speak of.

Don't believe me? You think those putas when they are lovely, young 18-22 year olds simply disappear or follow each other off a cliff into the sea like lemmings when they are past their sell-by date?

No. Its' back to the campo for most. None the wiser, none the richer and that much more worn out, like a used pencil eraser.

Back to living in a hut with no running water with pretty much the only man that would have them back-a old barrio tigre who like the chica is also past his sell-by date.

So some of the ones who are offered a one-way ticket out can never appreciate what they have when a silly foreign fool wants to help them and they WILL fuck it up most of the time, guaranteed.

So the same pathetic cycle begins all over again for the next generation who are either unwilling or incapable of learning from that battered old puta who lives at the end of the street who used to be the cock of the walk in her heyday and is now living no better than when she first got into the game.

[Jimmydr]

water always runs down hill... people will flock to where the money is at... i dont think that will ever change... my point to my original post is .. could we stop beating a dead dog??? the cycle of women in the d.r is understood.. why not have a thread to brainstorm where and how this cycle could be stopped instead of pointing the finger at the poor third world country girl with no education how she fucked up...


New guys come on and they want to add their 2 cents. No big deal.

[Inconego]

water always runs down hill... people will flock to where the money is at... i dont think that will ever change... my point to my original post is .. could we stop beating a dead dog??? the cycle of women in the d.r is understood.. why not have a thread to brainstorm where and how this cycle could be stopped instead of pointing the finger at the poor third world country girl with no education how she fucked up...

Start the brainstorming thread and I'll chime in...

Tackling the issue of world poverty is all in a days work for me...

[Jimmydr]

When a guy goes to santiago or the capital and can get a chica with a job and her own apartment, then he has game. This I saved her from whoring crap is always going to be bullshit. There are no guys with that specail magic on this or any other site. Hookers just want your money. Sure you helped her, just ask the 100´s of other guys that benefited from your donations.

[Jimmydr]

I am more concerend about the West's ideas spreading to other countries. Already feminists and others have made it harder to "mail order bride" to the USA to keep their way of life.


They are saving these fools from themselves.

[greydread]

And many make that start up capital, even thou it may only be $10,000 - $25,000 and return home to set up that dream business.
You have just illuminated the "prize". Many women in these countries who suffer bad circumstances are too proud to join the puta parade in their home countries. The stark reality of Berzin's post are unrelenting and many take the option of pursuing "fake waitress" visas to places like the Netherlands and its territories, Spain, Germany and dozens of other countries to work in the sex trade. I have known many of these women (in the Biblical sense) and I have also known many women who have chosen to follow the path of the puta in their home country.

These two groups of women are by and large the same in terms of their eventual survivability and probability of success but I have noticed that the women who pursue their path to success outside of their home countries are more focused and determined. I met several of my favorite Dominicanas in St. Maarten. I think that the differences in how we related to one another from the average home grown D.R. hooker was the different style of mongering practiced in the N.A. where most tricks last 20 minutes, bust a nut, pay and leave. I'm not built like that and the few times I tried that mongering style resulted in forgettable experiences.

Our time together was of the TLN variety and we dined, talked, swam, danced and slept together. We had some very interesting conversations and a few of these women struck me as interesting way beyond their obvious sexuality. I asked every one of them about their home, their upbringing, their families and their goals and a few of them had very clear sense of purpose. Over the course of several years a few of these women number among the people whom I consider friends because they have done what they had to and used the experience to better their lives, building and buying houses, starting businesses and actually becoming employers in their home country. No, they don't reflect the majority of the women who travel this path but they serve as an example of what strength and discipline can do and I have gained inspiration from these women.

I will see a couple of them in my upcoming travels and the last thing on my mind is sticking my dick in them, in fact all but one of them has hooked me up with women who suited my taste well. I always offer assistance and they rarely accept it instead treating me to drinks, dinner, punani, whatever which further endears them to me. I'm not saying it's all sunshine and rose pedals at the end of the puta trail but the light at the end of the tunnel doesn't necessarily have to be an oncoming train either. Success or failure for them, just like us depends primarily on the character of the individual.

[El Tiburon]

Start the brainstorming thread and I'll chime in...

Tackling the issue of world poverty is all in a days work for me...

i wasent suggesting that a bunch of mongers on a whore board could fix the world poverty issue...i just dont see the benefit of pointing the finger at un- educated women doing the best they can to live.. i just question the intentions behind it...when i worked on wall street i heard anmost every motivational speech.. but the one that caught my interest to the point of reading it 2-3 times a week was this one...


It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat...

i live my life by this...

[greydread]

I think you make that sound WAYYYY too easy. It takes an ENORMOUS amount of maturity and discipline to get to this point where you have so much self confidence that you just don't worry about what your woman is up to when you are not there. (if we are talking about a SO/ Gf/ Wife here ?? )
Any guy who could follow this advice would be much better off in the long run, but its a rare quality/ learned skill , IMO.
or maybe some of us just dont have that Jealousy gene which can drive some guys so completely Nuts.
I thank you gentlemen for your kind words but believe me, there's nothing special about me. Everything which I know or believe is the result of my own personal life experiences and those of people who were close to me. Many of these experiences have involved some level of pain.

Pain (physical, emptional and spiritual) is the best teacher there is. The differences between us all are reflective of situations we found ourselves in, actions/ reactions taken, results of those actions/ reactions and adjustments that we've made. I have seen the need to make several adjustments over the course of my life and this will probably continue until the end of the road.

Many of the lessons I've learned were from the experiences of others, some I saw, some they shared especially in the case of those I considered mentors and any time I see another about to make a similar mistake I can't not help. I owe it to those who have helped me.

[Hemp]

Very Good posting Berzin...For all the WU guys, or guys thinking about being a WU, or guys who think they can turn a D.R. ho into a houswife!!!

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/uploaded/6721/1214666381.wmv

Your only making yourself look stupid :icontd:

[Jimmydr]

The goverment sets the tone in countries. I have a friend in DR and his dad was high in government once. I asked him about child support and he said, there are plenty of whorehouses for all the chicas to work at. Things will never change there. He also gave me a green light to open one in his district.

[Dick Dawson]

The goverment sets the tone in countries. I have a friend in DR and his dad was high in government once. I asked him about child support and he said, there are plenty of whorehouses for all the chicas to work at. Things will never change there. He also gave me a green light to open one in his district.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. No amount of help from the outside will make a difference if the governments of these countries aren't willing to change or the people don't demand change from said governments.

[yayow]

Sad but true analysis!!! The only way out is education and the gov't supporting and helping the poor to have a fair chance. It isn't our job and we couldn't do it anyway without the gov't wanting a change to occur.

Like so many others have said this is not the only country this occurs in, Even in the U.S. you have hungry children going to bed without food every night in every major city and poor little town across the U.S. Here it may be a little more systemic, but we certainly didn't create the situation. I believe you can only control as best you can you only little part if you do that and if there are others that do that maybe you can get some ground swell, but without the gov't behind there is only so much you can do, no matter where you are.

[bentwire]

When a guy goes to santiago or the capital and can get a chica with a job and her own apartment, then he has game. This I saved her from whoring crap is always going to be bullshit. There are no guys with that specail magic on this or any other site. Hookers just want your money. Sure you helped her, just ask the 100´s of other guys that benefited from your donations.

Many of the guys that followed me benefited from my donation, the chicas breath smelled like cum but they still kissed her and said !!!!

" Damn there isnt any way in hell i am gonna fuck this chica"":rofl: :rofl: that is actualy a very sick thing to think of but i wonder how many it has happened too

[JuanElGriego]

This thread seems to have changed course from "it's a different culture" to "they whore to survive".

Whoring to survive exists just about everywhere.

I'm far more interested in the notion that DR women who don't need to whore do it anyway cuz "it's a different culture".

[Hemp]

i think it started to change some where when someone mentioned that to include Whoring as a positive part of the culture is just wrong!!!

shit...now im confused :p




This thread seems to have changed course from "it's a different culture" to "they whore to survive".

Whoring to survive exists just about everywhere.

I'm far more interested in the notion that DR women who don't need to whore do it anyway cuz "it's a different culture".

[JuanElGriego]

i think it started to change some where when someone mentioned that to include Whoring as a positive part of the culture is just wrong!!!

shit...now im confused :p

Me too.

The whole "they don't have to whore but it's not a big deal cuz it's a different culture" line opens up a big can of worms, like ....

- does "being part of the culture" make it O.K.

- is it offensive to the women there who don't accept it as part of their culture

- does this validate the "latinas are whores and i don't want my son marrying one" mothers

[bentwire]

This thread seems to have changed course from "it's a different culture" to "they whore to survive".

Whoring to survive exists just about everywhere.

I'm far more interested in the notion that DR women who don't need to whore do it anyway cuz "it's a different culture".

I personaly think Latin women in general are much more sexual and open with thier Labidos,,,,,,they simply like to fuck,,,, why not get paid in the same game

[Jimmydr]

This thread seems to have changed course from "it's a different culture" to "they whore to survive".

Whoring to survive exists just about everywhere.

I'm far more interested in the notion that DR women who don't need to whore do it anyway cuz "it's a different culture".


There are 10´s of 1,000´s that wouldn´t even give it a thought.

[Jimmydr]

I personaly think Latin women in general are much more sexual and open with thier Labidos,,,,,,they simply like to fuck,,,, why not get paid in the same game



Well if only 5% or 10% of the population has money, there is just so many guys looking for stuff on the side. In the States, I bet 90% of the adult male population could afford to buy a whore at least once a month if they wanted to.

[Count]

The goverment sets the tone in countries. I have a friend in DR and his dad was high in government once. I asked him about child support and he said, there are plenty of whorehouses for all the chicas to work at. Things will never change there. He also gave me a green light to open one in his district.

I'm not sure. I think governments are a reflection of their people, whose values in turn reflect tradition and history (good and bad).

A century of bad government can destroy civil society, as seen in Russia, some would say. But others would say current Russia is only Czarist, or a reflection of another tradition. There is much of the chicken and egg in this; I would hesitate to blame governments.

[Jimmydr]

I'm not sure. I think governments are a reflection of their people, whose values in turn reflect tradition and history (good and bad).

A century of bad government can destroy civil society, as seen in Russia, some would say. But others would say current Russia is only Czarist, or a reflection of another tradition. There is much of the chicken and egg in this; I would hesitate to blame governments.


In the DR, poor people have no real say, its the top 10% that run the country. If that was true, the govenment would give out baby food and diapers to all the poor chicas, but that costs money.

[Inconego]

I'm not sure. I think governments are a reflection of their people, whose values in turn reflect tradition and history (good and bad).

A century of bad government can destroy civil society, as seen in Russia, some would say. But others would say current Russia is only Czarist, or a reflection of another tradition. There is much of the chicken and egg in this; I would hesitate to blame governments.

I don't know about this Count... I'll think about it, but I don't think the Chicken or the Egg applies in this case...

So are the neo-cons in power now a reflecition of America in general? Do the American people favor war, etc...

So you're saying that Bush is a reflection of America in general? I think he's more of a refleciton of the super-wealthy, elite... which may be somewhat similar everywhere...

I'm rambling, but just to say, don't agree with your point...

[DominicanBilly]

There is no joke section to post Dominican jokes so I'll add a little humor to this post because it kinda fits.

Two retired gringos living in the Dominican Republic:
Billy and Walter were talking one afternoon when Billy tells Walter, 'Ya know, I'm ready for a vacation. Only this year I'm gonna do it a little different. The last few years, I took your advice about where to go.

'Three years ago you said to go to Hawaii . I went to Hawaii and Maria got pregnant.

'Then two years ago, you told me to go to the Bahamas , and Maria got pregnant again.

'Last year you suggested Tahiti and darned if Maria didn't get pregnant again.'


Walter asks Billy, 'So, what you gonna do this year that's different?'


'This year I'm taking Maria with me.'

[Inconego]

There is no joke section to post Dominican jokes so I'll add a little humor to this post because it kinda fits.

Two retired gringos living in the Dominican Republic:
Billy and Walter were talking one afternoon when Billy tells Walter, 'Ya know, I'm ready for a vacation. Only this year I'm gonna do it a little different. The last few years, I took your advice about where to go.

'Three years ago you said to go to Hawaii . I went to Hawaii and Maria got pregnant.

'Then two years ago, you told me to go to the Bahamas , and Maria got pregnant again.

'Last year you suggested Tahiti and darned if Maria didn't get pregnant again.'


Walter asks Billy, 'So, what you gonna do this year that's different?'


'This year I'm taking Maria with me.'

Funny, but any board member who joined over a month ago knew where that was going :)

[carolinajack]

In the end men will be men....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQvVKOv4Fxw&feature=related