10/2008 - ~2008 U.S. Presidential Election-Official~

[Hemp]

Since the Obama-Biden/Mccain-Palin argument keeps rearing its head in various threads throwing original topics of coarse. Its clear that although ISOC has grey areas when discussing politics...its un-avoidable at this time to NOT talk about it, since this particular election cuts so deep into so many people from a personal and professional level. We might as well give it, its own official thread leading up to Nov 4th. Going forward all post pertaining to this election will be moved here.

Fellas, heavy and strong opinions are welcome, but please keep it as clean and respectful as possible. By all means when spewing information, facts and stats...be prepared to back it up (directed towards a certain mid-west candy baron :p j/k)

My name is Hemp and I am a Progressive Democrat

:)

NOW LETS GET IT ON!

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[Jimmydr]

I am a Republican.

[howudoen]

Big time Republican here. I own a business with my brother that this year will do 8.2 million in sales, with a profit of 1.1 million. I employ 32 people with an average total package payment(salary+health insurance+401K) per employee of 57,000. I pull out of my business in salary about $125,000 a year before taxes. I'm 36 years old and work 6 days a week average 12 hours a day. I've been building my business since I was 19 years old. We started in our garage and didn't get paid anything for the first year or so and had to put up about 18,000 to start. At year end I have to give uncle sam a check for $50,000. That doesn't include the taxes they take out of my pay check every week. I live on Long Island(30 miles outside NYC). I pay in in property tax $12,000 a year. IT"S FUCKING INSANE what the Gov't takes of my $. Neither of these 2 guys is going to make it to where I feel it is fair. However I am a republican through and through. Democrats like to throw money at problems and spend spend spend. Just my 2 cents. McCain McCain did I mention McCain

[Summit]

I am a Republican. Too!:iconTU::iconTU::iconTU:

[howudoen]

It is shown as a profit not as a recurring expense. I don't have to purchase new equipment every month and would keep my business the same size as it is today. I don't have to market and advertise and my business will still do the same numbers. I do have to pay my employess,gas,electric,health insurance etc. If I sold my business that $ is looked at as a profit.

[SJG]

I do not belong to a political party.

[Hunter]

Drudge is just reporting Gallop has McCain within 2 percentage points of Obama.

It ain't over boys. Go McCain!!!!!!

[Summit]

Piss off the media vote for John McCain!

[Jimbo44]

Screw the damned Republican party, where are we today since Clinton left office 8 yrs ago. Our debt has doubled, we still r in a war, and in the wrong country. Our economy is at an all time low, unemployment at an all time high, people are loosing their homes, and their fortunes. And we sit and listen to the Republicans tell us how they r going to fix it all. Are these the idiots we r supposed to entrust to fix everthing. I don't think so. Bring on the democrats!!!

[PapiQueRico]

. Democrats like to throw money at problems and spend spend spend. Just my 2 cents.

I always get a kick out of this type of statement.

When Ronald Regan entered office the entire national debt that the US had accumulated in over two hundred years was 1 trillion dollars. 12 years later when papa Bush left office the debt had quadruppled to 4 trillion.

Under Bill Clinton, after the first couple of years, we had balanced budgets and even began paying down the debt a bit. Newt and the Republcans get credit also, for sure.

In just under 8 years of baby Bush's presidency the debt is over 11 trillion.

Yeah, you can make cracks about tax and spend Democrats and I can't deny it.

I just prefer that to the don't tax and spend anyway Republicans.

[moshy2k]

I am curious of what you guys think of Obama's and Mccains policy on taxes in light of the current financial situation and beyond.

1. Giving a tax credit to those making less than 250k

2. Maintaining the current tax laws.

Let's keep in mind that a tax cut is not the RIGHT of a rich or poor person.
We hear that Obama's plan is an attack on the rich and an attempt to redistribute wealth in America.

I would also say that providing rich people with a tax break not given to poor is also wealth redistribution. As it keeps the gap growing between rich and poor.

Just interested in understanding the opposing view on tax breaks for Rich vs Poor.

[cainer]

I am cheering for the Dems because i win a massage at La passions from 3some if they win.:biggrin: :biggrin:

[JuanElGriego]

I have my strong political opinions but i usually try to keep them to myself cuz i'm just trying to share a few drinks and monger with the boys here and i really don't want to know what your own political views are.

I'm tryin' to keep a good skirt-chasing team going, not get into the CIA selling crack in Compton in the 80's. :rolleyes:

[TropicBob]

I am cheering for the Dems because i win a massage at La passions from 3some if they win.:biggrin: :biggrin:

WTF? Did I miss this? Threesome buying a La Passion Massage for all us Obama supporters if Obama wins? I'm in.....

[PapiQueRico]

Moshy, you bring up an interesting question. I agree with the last part of your post. I believe it was done in reverse for the past eight years.

The Bush administration lowered taxes on the wealthy and created huge debt. Since the debt belongs to all of us, kind of like a red line on our personal ledger sheet, an argument can be made that wealth has been redistributed upward, from the poor and middle class to the wealthy.

As for who should get or keep tax cuts now, I don't know. While in general I would favor Obama's plan to let the upper rates return to the level of the 1990's to facilitate cuts for the middle class. I know that some will howl that this is not fair. If you look at the growing gap between the rich and poor, and the shrinking of the middle class, it is difficult to argue that such tax policies are unfair. The proof is in the pudding.

That siad, in this crisis time I think we need to do whatever will get us "healthy." The answer to that question is waaayyy out of my level of understanding.

[3somefan]

WTF? Did I miss this? Threesome buying a La Passion Massage for all us Obama supporters if Obama wins? I'm in.....

No Bobby, this is strictly between Cainer and myself...you got in too late!

[Dr.Kush]

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[Cheeno]

I will be voting for Obama. :biggrin:

[greydread]

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My name is Dread...and I approve of this message

[curiousdude]

I will be voting for Obama. :biggrin:
I don't see how anybody could not vote for Obama. I am not only voting for Obama, I have also contributed to his campaign. (And it was enough money to buy lots of punani in the DR. And, like payments for punani, my contribution is not tax deductible. Damn!!)

[Hunter]

I don't see how anybody could not vote for Obama.

I don't see how anybody could vote for Obama :p :p :p

[greydread]

Elections are Stupid!!!


Let's have a Tango Contest!!!!


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My name is Dread....and I approve of this message!

[milldam]

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This sign in front of my place tells you who I`m voting for.

[3somefan]

Another member sent me this and my jaw dropped!! Before you go off, please watch the hole thing. The accuracy in this is amazing! I like the last slide...with what is being read by the man many would like to see in the White House!!

Why are the gaps in the polls being closed so fast??...because details like these are finally coming forward....


http://www.usawakeup.org/USSA.htm

[Summit]

*"%#* OBAMA!

[Ram]

I have said something like this before.

I am a Canadian looking at this from the outside.

With the state of affairs in the US right now you would think that people would be looking for a change? I would think that everyone would have had enough of the current administation and want to try something else out? McCain says he is not Bush...no, he is not the same guy but his policies seem to me to be very closely aligned to Bush's policies? What makes McCain different.....where is the change.... I have not seen it from the outside looking in.

Are people not looking for a change in direction? I am not American so maybe I just don't understand but it is all very confusing to me.

[cainer]

WTF? Did I miss this? Threesome buying a La Passion Massage for all us Obama supporters if Obama wins? I'm in.....
I actually could have won two massages from La passions by picking the dems to win this election. I have one bet with 3some on who is going to win and another board member wanted to also bet me, but, i backed out. With the polls the way they are, maybe i made a mistake. Oh well, one freebie is going to be nice.

Hopefully fares are low enough for dec 31st so i can go down when 3some is there to collect:)

3some, if by some miricle u should win(mcain wins) and you are not in Sosua during the time when i am next there, ill personally go to peter and give him the money for your next massage.

[Summit]

I actually could have won two massages from La passions by picking the dems to win this election. I have one bet with 3some on who is going to win and another board member wanted to also bet me, but, i backed out. With the polls the way they are, maybe i made a mistake. Oh well, one freebie is going to be nice.

Hopefully fares are low enough for dec 31st so i can go down when 3some is there to collect:)

3some, if by some miricle u should win(mcain wins) and you are not in Sosua during the time when i am next there, ill personally go to peter and give him the money for your next massage.

The bet is still on if you want it!!!:):):)

[PapiQueRico]

3Some, I'm a bit surprised and more than a little disappointed. While well produced for its purpose the clip you linked to is not accurate and is actually dangerous.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying this becuae it attacks Obama and the Dems. I have had the exact same reaction over the years to people who call George Bush a Nazi.

These election campaigns get nasty. We engage in it here also. Palin is a know nothing (which I've said) Biden's the dumbest guy in the Senate. McCain's an old man, Oama is hopelessly inexperienced. It can all get rough.

There are lines though. People who cal Bush a Nazi, or say that he planned 9/11, IMO, cross that line. This clip crossed that line also. This type of demonisation is indeed dangerous. In three months one of these guys is going to need to lead this country. It's fine if almost half of the country wanted the other guy. It's not fine if a significant portion of the nation have been conned into seeing the winner as an evil, traitorous individual.

We all saw the Congresswoman from Mn on the tube last night calling for an investigation of the liberals in Congress to find out which ones are "Anti-American." This on the same day that Sarah Palin spoke about there being parts of the country that are "pro-American" and parts that are not.

What's next, we dig up Joe McCarthy and start hearings? Is that the America you want to live in?

I'm not questioning your right to link to this clip, just your judgement.

[Hemp]

3some,

I will NOT edit your post where you posted that clip...but please reconsider editing it yourself and think twice about clips and videos you post in this thread going forward. Remember the Grey areas I spoke about in the original post pertaining to politics on this site. Strong opinions are welcome but lets keep this clean...keep all conspiracy theories and Anti-American clips, racist, links, videos, and rhetoric to yourself. Lets focus on the core issues. 3some please DO NOT ruin this thread. KEEP IT CLEAN.

thx.

[moshy2k]

How about the back handed reference to "Blacks and reparations". You stand by that racist shit???

FUCK YOU!

[knotty]

it's interesting. what about those beautiful clips with many McCain supporters being ignorant and racist. I've seen many of these videos which definitely pushes the country further back. It's amazing what middle America really thinks of Obama. I believe that will be the turning point of the election if Obama does not win.

[Young Hero]

What scares me and turns me off is the liberal media attacking anyone who questions Obama. Look what they did to Joe "the plumber" when he simply asked a question, and Obama to his credit, gave an honest answer. Obama wants to spread the wealth which chips away at the American dream. Liberals in the media (and Joe Biden) attacked the guy and do some investigation on the guy and find out that he has some type of lien again him. I see how they treat the average joes.

[Jimmydr]

I don't see how anybody could not vote for Obama. I am not only voting for Obama, I have also contributed to his campaign. (And it was enough money to buy lots of punani in the DR. And, like payments for punani, my contribution is not tax deductible. Damn!!)


McCain is way to old.

[PapiQueRico]

What scares me and turns me off is the liberal media attacking anyone who questions Obama. Look what they did to Joe "the plumber" when he simply asked a question, and Obama to his credit, gave an honest answer. Obama wants to spread the wealth which chips away at the American dream. Liberals in the media (and Joe Biden) attacked the guy and do some investigation on the guy and find out that he has some type of lien again him. I see how they treat the average joes.


Young Hero, if you follow the time line you will see that you are mistaken. No one attacked this guy for asking a question. There was no interest in him on Monday or Tuesday. No one looked into his life after he asked his question. No one attacked him in the several news cycles after he asked his question. This all started after John McCain decided to make "Joe" the centerpiece of the last debate.

"Joe" also brought this on himself. He lied, plain and simple. His question was not unreasonable but he was completely dishonest in personalizing it. The facts are that he is not contemplating buying the business. The facts are that if he did buy it the Obama plan would not cause this business to pay additional taxes, actually less. The fact is that he is not working legally as a plumber. The media did not make this up. The attacks on "Joe" have been caused by his dishonesty, nothing else. You would think that before mentioning him repeatedly in front of a TV audience of over 60,000,000 viewers he would at least give the guy a call to warn him and to see if their were any skeletons in the closet that would make him not want to be mentioned. It is McCain who invaded his privacy, not the media.

This entire attack on Obama's tax plan is spurious. His plan returns the highest tax bracket to where it was in the 1990's, 39%, an increase of 3% on earnings over $250,000. What does this mean in real life? It means that if you earn $300,000 you will pay $1,500 more in taxes than under the current plan. If you earn $500,000 you will pay $7,500 in additional taxes. The numbers are actually a bit lower, because you would pay less on the portion of your income under $200,000, but to keep it simple I used these numbers which are not the best for my argument.

For sure, if my business earned $500,000 I would prefer that the $7,500 stay in my pocket rather than the government's. That said, this hysteria about the tax increase disincentivising (is that a word?) work and profit is asinine. The argument that this tax increase will stop the creation of jobs is also ridiculous.

For a little historical perspective, when Ronald Reagan came to power the highest bracket was 70%. After his initial tax bill passed it was lowered to 50%. We are not, as some would have you think, talking about anything radical or extreme.

[curiousdude]

McCain is way to old.
And he is a big phony. He seems to be even more of a warmonger than George Bush, and is just as connected to Big Oil and the war establishment as the Bush family is. Funny that he has tried to cast himself as a reformer, and has even done a few things (in the realm of campaign finance, for example), to show that he is not really the staunch pro-corporate rightwing "conservative" his record otherwise shows him to be. A cynic would say he discovered campaign finance reform after he survived the Keating scandal. I always found it funny that McCain, with one of the most pro-big business, rightwing records in the Senate, tried to run in the primaries as a maverick, moderate Republican (and of course now is doing the same in the general election in order to appeal to the "independent" voters) while Mitt Romney tried to run as a true conservative (a few years after playing the role of moderate Republican governor of Massachusetts).

The NYTimes said about Romney that he is just like John Kerry (sort of the Republican version of the Democratic waffler) in that he is just as unprincipled "only smarter." Well, I would say that McCain is, despite the image he wants to convey, just as unprincipled and opportunistic as Kerry and Romney, but "only dumber."

Of course Obama has had to move to the "center" as well in order to win the general election, and he is not as far to the left as I would like him to be, but if elected, he will be a vast improvement over the Republican madness we have witnessed over the past 8 years. If elected, he will be a centrist; he is clearly an establishment candidate, otherwise he would not have all of the money rolling in from the big players.

Of course, the Congress has struck out, in my view, by almost unanimously going along with each big mistake the Bush administration has forced down its throat through its preferred tactics of fear and deception: 1) Patriot Act, 2) Iraq War Authorization, 3) Wall Street Bank Bailout. We should already know that the first two decisions were mistakes, and it is only a matter of time, I think, before we should know the third was a mistake as well (we already have zillions of economists who have told us this, but corporate welfare is the one kind of welfare that most stubbornly resists reform).

But who are we going to get for President? Someone who was right on these issues? Dennis Kucinich? Vermont Representative Bernie Sanders? Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold? Are there any others?? Yeah, right.

Of course, both parties are going to take care of big business interests first, but at least Obama is smart, and perhaps we can eventually get back to a more rational foreign and domestic policy, like that of the Clinton years, if we put Obama in charge. It may have seemed that we have an echo rather than a choice, with Demopublicans versus Republicrats, as Ralph Nader has correctly said in years past, but after 8 years of Bush, it seems pretty clear that the Republicans are more radically right and crazy than their "compassionate conservative" image projection would suggest, and there really is some difference between the two parties.

If we put the Democrats completely in charge, maybe we will have just a little more respect, and influence (where it counts), in the world, as a result. And it should be remembered that the Democrats, under Clinton, governed a hell of a lot better than did the Republicans, under either Bush. It is interesting that Clinton was actually more of a real "conservative" than the reckless war-spending and tax-cuts-for-the-rich Bush. He in fact did the things that another war-spending and tax-cuts-for-the-rich guy (Reagan) promised but never delivered: he actually was fiscally responsible, balanced the budget, and reformed welfare (well, for the poor, but not for the rich...) Of course that was with Republicans in control of Congress, to be sure. But still, Clinton was more of a true conservative than Bush has been. And McCain, with his expensive warmongering agenda, and his desire to cut taxes even more for the rich (let's face it, capital gains tax cuts are really only tax cuts for the rich, not anyone else), is hardly a traditional conservative.

Obama is the only choice. Unless you care most about the importance of keeping permanent bases in Iraq to protect the oil fields for Big Oil, and are possibly interested in more neocon/Big Oil wars, and more blatant protectionism for the rich and the biggest corporations at the expense of everybody else.

But don't get me started.:)

[3somefan]

3Some, I'm a bit surprised and more than a little disappointed. While well produced for its purpose the clip you linked to is not accurate and is actually dangerous.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying this becuae it attacks Obama and the Dems. I have had the exact same reaction over the years to people who call George Bush a Nazi.

These election campaigns get nasty. We engage in it here also. Palin is a know nothing (which I've said) Biden's the dumbest guy in the Senate. McCain's an old man, Oama is hopelessly inexperienced. It can all get rough.

There are lines though. People who cal Bush a Nazi, or say that he planned 9/11, IMO, cross that line. This clip crossed that line also. This type of demonisation is indeed dangerous. In three months one of these guys is going to need to lead this country. It's fine if almost half of the country wanted the other guy. It's not fine if a significant portion of the nation have been conned into seeing the winner as an evil, traitorous individual.

We all saw the Congresswoman from Mn on the tube last night calling for an investigation of the liberals in Congress to find out which ones are "Anti-American." This on the same day that Sarah Palin spoke about there being parts of the country that are "pro-American" and parts that are not.

What's next, we dig up Joe McCarthy and start hearings? Is that the America you want to live in?

I'm not questioning your right to link to this clip, just your judgement.


3some,

I will NOT edit your post where you posted that clip...but please reconsider editing it yourself and think twice about clips and videos you post in this thread going forward. Remember the Grey areas I spoke about in the original post pertaining to politics on this site. Strong opinions are welcome but lets keep this clean...keep all conspiracy theories and Anti-American clips, racist, links, videos, and rhetoric to yourself. Lets focus on the core issues. 3some please DO NOT ruin this thread. KEEP IT CLEAN!

thx.


How about the back handed reference to "Blacks and reparations". You stand by that racist shit???

FUCK YOU!


it's interesting. what about those beautiful clips with many McCain supporters being ignorant and racist. I've seen many of these videos which definitely pushes the country further back. It's amazing what middle America really thinks of Obama. I believe that will be the turning point of the election if Obama does not win.

Guys~

I stand behind many of the statements and facts in that clip or I would have not posted it. I watched the clip quite a bit and like I have said many times in the past, I have researched a lot of the statements made. Sure there were one or two things that weren't 100% accurate, but you can find that in Obama supporter's on this site statements also.

Many here have met me and/or have had very long and in depth conversations with me...IF you all think I am a racist, that is your right...but it couldn't be farther from the truth!

I am sorry if some of you could see some indirect references to racism in the clip as that was not my intention. My intention was only to bring some of my views on Obama's very questionable relationships (that the media mostly ignores), and his very frightening policy ideas to the board.

I knew posting it would get me spurned by many on here but never in a million years thought it would get me referred to a racist or supporting racist beliefs. I could truly care less whether Obama was white, black, red, or green! What I care about is the socialist direction our country will go if he is elected.

The link has since been shut down it seems. But I stand by decision to post it. I don't apologize for posting it, only for the unintended consequences it seems came about from it.

Any of the members quoted above or anyone else for that matter that wants to discuss my views on racism, where I stand concerning reparations, or any other related topic...feel free to start a thread (even in the higher levels), PM me or email me. If you click on my user name, it gives you the option to send me a email or a PM here. I would be happy and eager to discuss those views.

Again, I fully am aware of the subject of this board, however I am not the type of person (like many of you on the opposite side of the fence) that can sit idly on the sidelines when I see false things posted about someone I now support. Just not me and won't ever be me.

Oh BTW, not one of my six fully adopted siblings are white....

[curiousdude]

Guys~

...What I care about is the socialist direction our country will go if he is elected.


By "socialist direction" would that include the bank bailout that the Republican Whitehouse pushed through Congress, and which McCain has supported? That propagandistic video you presented discussed the Democratic involvement with Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the like. What about the HUGE Republican involvement in this Wall Street crap? What about McCain's own connections to Freddie Mac? Are you kidding? What kind of "socialism" do you fear?

I, for one, would much prefer a single-payer health care system, yes a "socialized" national health care system, and perhaps even a socialized system of higher education, more like what you will find in Europe, to socialism for Wall Street. But really, BOTH parties, if they are going toward "socialism" at all, are actually veering more toward a "corporate socialism" than to the kind you seem to fear (and which I would actually prefer).

[Hemp]

3,

As stated in the PM i sent you before even reading CD's post!!! 100% agree with him. LOL, this is America 3...Capatalism ground zero! the socialist system you seem to be talking about happening here....NOT! U.S.A. at the closing of the day and the bell rings, its about where the number$ are FIRST!

even when senator Obama wins the presidency, he'll preserve the countries capatalistic proclivities, TRUST!



But really, BOTH parties, if they are going toward "socialism" at all, are actually veering more toward a "corporate socialism" than to the kind you seem to fear (and which I would actually prefer).

[Young Hero]

Papi,
I only have a few minutes to respond as I'm heading out the door. I saw Joe's comment prior to the debate and knew it was going to be brought up in the debate. Joe never said he made 250k. It's apparently his dream to own a business with 5 or 6 people which would place him in that tax bracket. It really makes no difference to me whether or not he can afford the business as you stated. People such as yourself are calling the guy a liar and others have called him a racist for making other statements. It was a very telling moment (imo) when Obama stated that he wants to redistribute the wealth. He holds some socialistic views, and his tax and health care plans are a perfect example imo. Just fyi - Obama's treasurer apparently has some tax liens but you don't hear much about it.

[3somefan]

By "socialist direction" would that include the bank bailout that the Republican Whitehouse pushed through Congress, and which McCain has supported? That propagandistic video you presented discussed the Democratic involvement with Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the like. What about the HUGE Republican involvement in this Wall Street crap? What about McCain's own connections to Freddie Mac? Are you kidding? What kind of "socialism" do you fear?

I, for one, would much prefer a single-payer health care system, yes a "socialized" national health care system, and perhaps even a socialized system of higher education, more like what you will find in Europe, to socialism for Wall Street. But really, BOTH parties, if they are going toward "socialism" at all, are actually veering more toward a "corporate socialism" than to the kind you seem to fear (and which I would actually prefer).


3,

As stated in the PM i sent you before even reading CD's post!!! 100% agree with him. LOL, this is America 3...Capatalism ground zero! the socialist system you seem to be talking about happening here....NOT! U.S.A. at the closing of the day and the bell rings, its about where the number$ are FIRST!

even when senator Obama wins the presidency, he'll preserve the countries capatalistic proclivities, TRUST!

I appreciate your guys opinions and your right to post them. I couldn't disagree more though, and that is my right.

[curiousdude]

I appreciate your guys opinions and your right to post them. I couldn't disagree more though, and that is my right.
Well, I will try to soften the blow for you when you have to pay for cainer's soapie after Obama wins the election, even at the time when you will be buying drinks for others at your b-day party, by buying you a couple of drinks then. But I think we may have to have a toast for President Obama at your party!

[PapiQueRico]

Papi,
I only have a few minutes to respond as I'm heading out the door. I saw Joe's comment prior to the debate and knew it was going to be brought up in the debate. Joe never said he made 250k. It's apparently his dream to own a business with 5 or 6 people which would place him in that tax bracket. It really makes no difference to me whether or not he can afford the business as you stated. People such as yourself are calling the guy a liar and others have called him a racist for making other statements. It was a very telling moment (imo) when Obama stated that he wants to redistribute the wealth. He holds some socialistic views, and his tax and health care plans are a perfect example imo. Just fyi - Obama's treasurer apparently has some tax liens but you don't hear much about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA

No, people such as myself are not calling him a liar, he is a liar. I never said that he said he is currently making $250,000. What he did say is "I'm getting ready to buy a company." That was a lie. He also said "I'm buying this company." That was a lie. He also said the company earns "$250,000.... $270,000-$280,000." That was a lie. He also said that he is a plumber, but according to both the local plumbers union and the county officials where he lives, he needs to have completed time as an apprentice and get a license to be considered a plumber. He has done neither, so strictly speaking that was also a lie. Pretty much the entire conversation was based on lies. In your opinion how many lies does he need to tell before he is a liar?????

As for the potential tax increases he may face if he ever does all of these things he lied about, you can look further up the thread to get an idea about what type of money is involved here.

I own a small business and if the Obama plan goes through as written I will pay less taxes overall, especially when I sell the business and retire to some monger paradise.

Now as for calling him a racist, I don't know. I understand that he said that Obama was tap dancing 'like Sammy Davis Jr.' I have not seen the clip myself. If I had heard that it would surely have made my ears perk up and draw suspicion, but I myself would not label him a racist based only on that statement. Let's just say it wasn't the best choice of words, IMO.

[curiousdude]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA

No, people such as myself are not calling him a liar, he is a liar.
Bush has helped us to appreciate a number of absurd truths, among them: It is often worse to call someone a liar than actually to be one.

[Gladiator]

In view of the polls and considering that the elections are 2 weeks away, it looks like McBush will need a miracle to win this.

[PapiQueRico]

In view of the polls and considering that the elections are 2 weeks away, it looks like McBush will need a miracle to win this.

Don't trust the polls!!!!!!! At least I don't!

[curiousdude]

In view of the polls and considering that the elections are 2 weeks away, it looks like McBush will need a miracle to win this.
That miracle may be in the form of provisional ballots that will not be counted. Remember Ohio in 2004? Florida in 2000? In close elections, in important swing states like Ohio and Florida, if the Republicans can keep enough minority and poor people off the voting registration rolls, and/or block them at the polling sites, this may be all the miracle they will need, despite the best efforts of Bobby Kennedy, Jr., and Greg Palast (see stealbackyourvote.com and gregpalast.com) to insure that they are allowed to vote. Interesting that FOX "News" has managed to get all the rest of the media to follow it like sheep in focusing on the ACORN vote fraud story (which has been hyped up, big time), while they all pretty much ignore the bigger story of Republicans trying to limit how many Democratic votes get counted in important states. But see the upcoming Rolling Stone Magazine article. And read the Guardian (London). At least there is some reporting of this story.

But here's hoping Obama will win in a landslide so the Republican's efforts will go unrewarded this time.

[3somefan]

Don't trust the polls!!!!!!! At least I don't!

Very good point Papi, and I don't either.

I think it was the last 20 days before through 2004 elections, Gladiator, and Kerry had like a 10 point lead. Bush won! I think even all the exit polls showed Kerry winning, yet that wasn't the case.

I was actually thinking about taking the night off work on election night to watch the results come in. Hope it doesn't get all crazy again this time around!

[PapiQueRico]

Very good point Papi, and I don't either.

I think it was the last 20 days before through 2004 elections, Gladiator, and Gore had like a 10 point lead. Bush won! I think even all the exit polls showed Gore winning, yet that wasn't the case.

I was actually thinking about taking the night off work on election night to watch the results come in. Hope it doesn't get all crazy again this time around!

Gore didn't run in 2004.

I guess another example of your research not being all that good.

[3somefan]

Gore didn't run in 2004.

I guess another example of your research not being all that good.

Fixed...sorry I can't keep these dipshits the Dems keep throwing straight !

[Hemp]

Bush won by grand theft presidency!!! with lots of help from his little bro Jeb (Governor of Florida at the time) no more no less :icontd:



Very good point Papi, and I don't either.

I think it was the last 20 days before through 2004 elections, Gladiator, and Kerry had like a 10 point lead. Bush won! I think even all the exit polls showed Kerry winning, yet that wasn't the case.

I was actually thinking about taking the night off work on election night to watch the results come in. Hope it doesn't get all crazy again this time around!

[curiousdude]

Here's the Rolling Stone article, by Robert Kennedy, Jr., and investigative reporter Greg Palast (whose 2000 and 2004 and more recent reports on the US Presidential elections have appeared mainly on BBC and the Guardian in London):
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/block_the_vote

[greydread]

McCain is way to old.
From the Newsweek article:


The economy is headed for its worst recession since the Great Depression and most Americans now know that, even if they have not lost their own jobs.
Studies show that the party that controls the White House loses if the economy grows at less than two per-cent in the year before Election Day--and the economy right now is shrinking.
McCain’s Republican Party brand is in ruins thanks in good measure to the current GOP president, who is fin-ishing his term as one of the most unpopular chief executives in history.
The war in Iraq, which McCain supported, is widely seen as a horrendous mistake. His neo-con foreign policy is in disrepute.
Obama is spending four times as much on advertising as McCain (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/18/us/politics/18ads.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin), and has pioneered new methods of voter education and outreach on the Inter-net that McCain cannot match.
Obama’s own Democratic Party is relatively unified, the sulking of the Clintons notwithstanding.
Even in good times, it isn’t easy for the “in” presidential party to keep the White House for a third consecutive term.
McCain, aged 72, would be the oldest person ever to become president, not exactly an enticing calling card at a time of generational change and challenge.
The Arizona senator has a history of skin cancer and chose as his running mate someone widely regarded as unqualified to assume the top job.
The “mainstream” media, or what is left of it, has favored and fawned over Obama from the start--even before the current parade of official endorsements. Much of the coverage has been egregiously slanted. Just ask Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
McCain’s party never has trusted him; he had to use his veep pick--Gov. Sarah Palin--to assuage conservatives who nevertheless still distrust him, in some cases because he picked Palin!
A gang of lobbyist-insiders, whose identity is glaringly--almost comically--at odds with his supposed devotion to maverick change, runs McCain’s Washington-based campaign.
America is reviled in the world as a result of the war in Iraq and George Bush’s policies, and most voters are not happy about that.And yet despite all of this--and more--McCain remains sort of in the ballgame, hanging around in some reputable national polls more or less within the margin of error. How the heck is that possible?

[curiousdude]

From the Newsweek article:

....

McCain, aged 72, would be the oldest person ever to become president, not exactly an enticing calling card at a time of generational change and challenge. ....

I have just one more thing to say on this and then I will try to shut up:

McCain is 4 years older than Weyland.

Okay, I rest my case.

[3somefan]

From the Newsweek article:


The economy is headed for its worst recession since the Great Depression and most Americans now know that, even if they have not lost their own jobs.
Studies show that the party that controls the White House loses if the economy grows at less than two per-cent in the year before Election Day--and the economy right now is shrinking.
McCain’s Republican Party brand is in ruins thanks in good measure to the current GOP president, who is fin-ishing his term as one of the most unpopular chief executives in history.
The war in Iraq, which McCain supported, is widely seen as a horrendous mistake. His neo-con foreign policy is in disrepute.
Obama is spending four times as much on advertising as McCain (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/18/us/politics/18ads.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin), and has pioneered new methods of voter education and outreach on the Inter-net that McCain cannot match.
Obama’s own Democratic Party is relatively unified, the sulking of the Clintons notwithstanding.
Even in good times, it isn’t easy for the “in” presidential party to keep the White House for a third consecutive term.
McCain, aged 72, would be the oldest person ever to become president, not exactly an enticing calling card at a time of generational change and challenge.
The Arizona senator has a history of skin cancer and chose as his running mate someone widely regarded as unqualified to assume the top job.
The “mainstream” media, or what is left of it, has favored and fawned over Obama from the start--even before the current parade of official endorsements. Much of the coverage has been egregiously slanted. Just ask Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
McCain’s party never has trusted him; he had to use his veep pick--Gov. Sarah Palin--to assuage conservatives who nevertheless still distrust him, in some cases because he picked Palin!
A gang of lobbyist-insiders, whose identity is glaringly--almost comically--at odds with his supposed devotion to maverick change, runs McCain’s Washington-based campaign.
America is reviled in the world as a result of the war in Iraq and George Bush’s policies, and most voters are not happy about that.And yet despite all of this--and more--McCain remains sort of in the ballgame, hanging around in some reputable national polls more or less within the margin of error. How the heck is that possible?


Because people are realizing that although Obama is excellent orator and communicator, he is a "rookie" and people don't want to go into this current bleak situation we are in with some one with not enough experience.

This would be what I think....

Otherwise, how do you explain it???

[PapiQueRico]

The country is highly polarized. Probably close to 80% decided which party they would vote for more than a year ago, without regard for who the candidates would be. And that 80% is pretty evenly split. If you accept the conventional wisdom that Obama's lead is 6-7 %that reflects a 2-1 edge among those who came into this undecided.

[Juggles]

Another member sent me this and my jaw dropped!! Before you go off, please watch the hole thing. The accuracy in this is amazing! I like the last slide...with what is being read by the man many would like to see in the White House!!

Why are the gaps in the polls being closed so fast??...because details like these are finally coming forward....


http://www.usawakeup.org/USSA.htm

3some,

I don't know quite how to respond, to preserve your feelings, but here it goes.....

I can't believe that you (an assumed intelligent, literate, knowledgeable, and functioning member of society) would not only post this material, but buy into it 'hook, line, and sinker'.

All you need to do is have your computer link to a different URL and perform some LEGITIMATE research. Trust me, it won't hurt you!

I could and should go on outlining the inaccurate, non-factual, and outright unsubstantiated slander posted in ALOT of your posts, but I feel that I'd be wasting keystrokes.

Jay-z: "Don't argue with a fool, because people from a distance can't tell who is who"

For the record. I like you 3some, nice person. However, its apparent that our interactions will never get beyond chicas, beer, or football.

Maybe JEG is right, not knowing anything more than the 'script' about members keeps the good times rolling.....

[3somefan]

3some,

I don't know quite how to respond, to preserve your feelings, but here it goes.....

I can't believe that you (an assumed intelligent, literate, knowledgeable, and functioning member of society) would not only post this material, but buy into it 'hook, line, and sinker'.

All you need to do is have your computer link to a different URL and perform some LEGITIMATE research. Trust me, it won't hurt you!

I could and should go on outlining the inaccurate, non-factual, and outright unsubstantiated slander posted in ALOT of your posts, but I feel that I'd be wasting keystrokes.

Jay-z: "Don't argue with a fool, because people from a distance can't tell who is who"

For the record. I like you 3some, nice person. However, its apparent that our interactions will never get beyond chicas, beer, or football.

Maybe JEG is right, not knowing anything more than the 'script' about members keeps the good times rolling.....

Believe me, I feel the same way about other's...

I won't argue the points, I felt enough was true to post the link. A intelligent person can research what is true and what is not. Many on this board have posted inaccurate things about one or both of the candidates in the past...yet I get the shit, because I support McCain and am somewhat of a Conservative. (not saying you are giving me shit Juggle, just saying in general).

I likewise think you are a pretty good guy yourself. JEG is right a lot!

Sometimes chicas, beer and football are enough....especially for mongering. :)

[jensenspecial]

I have just one more thing to say on this and then I will try to shut up:

McCain is 4 years older than Weyland.

Okay, I rest my case.

WEYLAND FOR PRESIDENT !!!!!!

[3somefan]

Anyone watch SNL tonight with Sara Palin?? Funny shit. The rap at the end with Palin sitting there taking it and bobbing her head to the beat almost made me piss in my pants I was laughing so hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cainer]

I have just one more thing to say on this and then I will try to shut up:

McCain is 4 years older than Weyland.

Okay, I rest my case.

Hey, if weyland can still get it up and fuck a Hatian everyday, why cant McCain run a country? I think fucking chicas at weylands age is much harder then mcCain leading the USA at his age:)

Weyland has the harder of the 2 jobs:lol:

[weyland]

Hey, if weyland can still get it up and fuck a Haitian everyday, why cant McCain run a country? I think fucking chicas at weyland's age is much harder then McCain leading the USA at his age:)

Weyland has the harder of the 2 jobs
Quite right. Because whichever of these guys wins, he will have the same small group of rich and powerful people telling him exactly what to do, whereas when I am in bed with a chica I have to work it all out for myself. And it's not easy. Some of them have as many as three holes available and I am damned sure W couldn't count past "2".

I watched a bit of the third Presidential debate until I got bored and switched over to the Teletubbies for something a bit more intellectually stimulating. But I was bugged because McCain reminded me of someone and I couldn't quite place who it was. Later I remembered:

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/656848fb37520e291.jpg

[knotty]

Colin Powell Endorses Barack Obama


By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
, AP
posted: 44 MINUTES AGO
comments: 7164 (http://news.aol.com/elections/article/colin-powell-voting-for-barack-obama/217016#Comments)
filed under: Election News (http://news.aol.com/elections), Barack Obama (http://news.aol.com/elections/barack-obama)



(Oct. 19) - Colin Powell, a Republican who was President Bush's first secretary of state, endorsed Democrat Barack Obama for president Sunday and criticized the tone of Republican John McCain's campaign.
The former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said either candidate, both of them senators, is qualified to be commander in chief. But he said Obama is better suited to handle the nation's economic problems as well as help improve its standing in the world.......

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/colin-powell-voting-for-barack-obama/217016?icid=100214839x1211375225x1200708829

[3somefan]

I respect Colin Powell's military and civil service to our country, but it does seem that he has drifted farther into the left since he took off the uniform. IMHO.

I think 4 or 5 former Secretary's of State have endorsed McCain so far, so not that big of a deal to me.

[jensenspecial]

this is worth reading
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itTnaBixWMQ&feature=related

enjoy !!

[Man gone Nuts]

this is worth reading
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itTnaBixWMQ&feature=related

enjoy !!Rue Paul for President? :rofl:

[3somefan]

OK...looks like I have lost to Greydread in Fantasy Football this week, as a result, I have agreed to not make any political commentary until after the election ( I am still able to use the fu and thanks icons). I believe this will not officially begin until after Monday night's game (though it is certain I had lost).

So, I want to make a very important statement. Whether we all agree on politics or politicians, we are all Americans and that is most important!

I watched all of these videos that I am linking below. The proof is in the pudding here as many of the facts brought forth in the videos are factually proven in the videos themselves. I feel that you can not deny who Obama is, what he believes and what direction he wants to take this country; based on his associations or the people he kept around him.

I know many will not even look at this based on the maker, but I have watched and read many links that others have posted, though I support someone that these things were going against....please do the same.

This is the man you are voting for.....

There are twelve volumes in this series called the "Real Barack Obama."

http://www.foxnews.com/hannitysamerica/

[SJG]

There are twelve volumes in this series called the "Real Barack Obama."

http://www.foxnews.com/hannitysamerica/

Did anyone else find it at all ironic that right underneath the 12 part series "The Real Barack Obama", featured videos of this "news" program included a video about how Elvis is still alive, a Louisiana Swamp Monster, the Bermuda Triangle, Area 51, children with psychic powers, magical Mexican dirt, etc.

How can anyone seriously take their news from this source? I'm sure the Louisiana Swamp Monster video also proves it's "fakts" right in the video...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[greydread]

I respect Colin Powell's military and civil service to our country, but it does seem that he has drifted farther into the left since he took off the uniform. IMHO.

I think 4 or 5 former Secretary's of State have endorsed McCain so far, so not that big of a deal to me.
It just never ends, does it?

Colin Powell has not drifted anywhere. As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff he was not allowed to espouse any political leaning either way while in uniform, just like all American G.I.s but how could you know that?

IMHO his 1st mistake was to buy into the (GHW Bush's) idea of "compassionate conservatism". This may be the saddest oxymoron in the history of the Engish language. Now he's looking at the real party base shouting "kill him" at republican presidential rallies and hearing the desperate attacks from the republican candidates in lieu of any meaningful agenda talking points and he is ashamed. Rightfully so.

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/875948fca7749ad2d.jpg

[3somefan]

Blah blah blah....

Here is a link to the Howard Stern Show, this is audio only. Howard has Sal go into Harlem and talk to Black voters to see who they are voting for. He uses all of McCain's policies and says they are Obama's just to see if they are voting for Obama based on his policies or because...well you know.

Very Sad what this has come down to.

[cainer]

Blah blah blah....

Here is a link to the Howard Stern Show, this is audio only. Howard has Sal go into Harlem and talk to Black voters to see who they are voting for. He uses all of McCain's policies and says they are Obama's just to see if they are voting for Obama based on his policies or because...well you know.

Very Sad what this has come down to.

http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3

OMG. Doesnt anyone in america know who Obamas vice president is going to be when he wins lol

This sound video was hilarious. It was like Jay Leno doing that street walking skit on the tonight show. U guys sure have some dumb people living in the USA.(no offense taken i hope lol)

I could grab ten Canadians off the street and i bet 7 out of 10 would know that Sara Palin is not going to be the vice president if Barak Obama wins the presidency.

I guess they got tricked. Its kind of like the trick joke where, if a plane crashed on the border of USA and Canada, where would they bury the survivors :) I even got tricked on this one. I guess i am a dumb Canuck

[3somefan]

OMG. Doesnt anyone in america know who Obamas vice president is going to be when he wins lol

This sound video was hilarious. It was like Jay Leno doing that street walking skit on the tonight show. U guys sure have some dumb people living in the USA.(no offense taken i hope lol)

I could grab ten Canadians off the street and i bet 7 out of 10 would know that Sara Palin is not going to be the vice president if Barak Obama wins the presidency.

I guess they got tricked. Its kind of like the trick joke where, if a plane crashed on the border of USA and Canada, where would they bury the survivors :) I even got tricked on this one. I guess i am a dumb Canuck

Yeah Cainer, that was my whole point in posting this link...to show how sad that is!!! :eek:

[SJG]

Blah blah blah....

Here is a link to the Howard Stern Show, this is audio only. Howard has Sal go into Harlem and talk to Black voters to see who they are voting for. He uses all of McCain's policies and says they are Obama's just to see if they are voting for Obama based on his policies or because...well you know.

Very Sad what this has come down to.

http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3

I heard this bit on the Stern show. Sal is a blatant racist and he did that as a goof, but to bring this up in a serious political debate speaks volumes to me about how you can buy into all the Republican bullshit and you are so willing to believe the lies about Obama.

[3somefan]

I heard this bit on the Stern show. Sal is a blatant racist and he did that as a goof, but to bring this up in a serious political debate speaks volumes to me about how you can buy into all the Republican bullshit and you are so willing to believe the lies about Obama.

You gotta be kidding me...!

Of course this was done as a goof, it was done on the Howard Stern Show!!!

I was using it to point out how Black American Voters are voting for Obama solely based on him being Black, not the "change" he says he'll be bringing to America. How you can read a racist twist into this shows how you have bought into the same idea as these people on the clip!!

I have only believed the facts about brought out about Obama, no lies. If you think there are lies in the link to the pieces Hannity did on Obama...PLEASE point them out and prove them wrong. That is the ironic thing, like you and many other supporters of Obama (including himself), all you guys can do is say " these lies about Obama!" No one can prove these facts wrong! Typical dancing around these and other issues that Obama does with that "cool and collective demeanor" to try keep them under the rug until he is possibly elected!!

[3somefan]

It just never ends, does it?

Colin Powell has not drifted anywhere. As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff he was not allowed to espouse any political leaning either way while in uniform, just like all American G.I.s but how could you know that?

IMHO his 1st mistake was to buy into the (GHW Bush's) idea of "compassionate conservatism". This may be the saddest oxymoron in the history of the Engish language. Now he's looking at the real party base shouting "kill him" at republican presidential rallies and hearing the desperate attacks from the republican candidates in lieu of any meaningful agenda talking points and he is ashamed. Rightfully so.

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/875948fca7749ad2d.jpg

So the only reason it sounds like he is doing this is out of a sense of shame!! Boy that endorsement will go a long way!!

Gen Powell is the same guy that went to UN to prove Bush's case to go to war in Iraq. The same war that Obama has said he never supported. Some conflict there wouldn't you say?

[curiousdude]

So the only reason it sounds like he is doing this is out of a sense of shame!! Boy that endorsement will go a long way!!

Gen Powell is the same guy that went to UN to prove Bush's case to go to war in Iraq. The same war that Obama has said he never supported. Some conflict there wouldn't you say?
And that was the lowest point in Gen. Powell's career, which was apparent after we discovered that all of those representations of nuclear facilities and all of that "intelligence" he presented in that slide presentation was completely bogus. I'm sure he now feels guilty that he had been duped (and I hope it is true he was indeed merely misinformed by the "intelligence" people and that is the reason for all the crap he told the UN, as he has later explained, and that his role was not even more troubling) into supporting a war and a method he had earlier been against, when he initially stood against the Rumsfeld-Cheney duo within the administration.

[greydread]

So the only reason it sounds like he is doing this is out of a sense of shame!! Boy that endorsement will go a long way!!

Gen Powell is the same guy that went to UN to prove Bush's case to go to war in Iraq. The same war that Obama has said he never supported. Some conflict there wouldn't you say?
Yep,

He's the same guy who was given a pack of blatant outright falsehhod to carry to the full emergency session of the U.N. to make a case for war and attempt to create a coalition against Iraq as was done prior to "Operation Desert Shield" and "Operation Desert Storm". The failure to substantiate any of the NSA'a lies effectively ended Gen. Powell's career in government after putting his international respect and credibility on the same "do not call" list as Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rummy. Had this farce not irrevocably tarnished his reputation, he'd be the Secretary of State to this day.

It's Okay, though. All Republicans are not imbeciles. Here's another example of very reputable Republicans who don't want any part of the McCain/ Palin campaign circus farce:


from Yahoo News -


There have been a few newsworthy endorsements recently as some high-profile Republicans have publicly moved to Democratic territory. Christopher Buckley, William F. Buckley's son, endorsed Barack Obama (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/news/ynews/pl_ynews/storytext/ynews_pl99/29566100/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081014/ap_en_ot/buckley_gop_1) (and subsequently lost his column at the National Review over it). Colin Powell did the same (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ynews/pl_ynews/storytext/ynews_pl99/29566100/SIG=117haig0a/*http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27265369/) this weekend. Republican talk show host Michael Smerconish announced (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ynews/pl_ynews/storytext/ynews_pl99/29566100/SIG=11n1nhl39/*http://www.philly.com/inquirer/currents/31242619.html) he'd be voting for a Democrat for the first time in 28 years. (We should note that even though he's a fixture on the McCain campaign now, Sen. Joe Lieberman jumping parties (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ynews/pl_ynews/storytext/ynews_pl99/29566100/SIG=13gdg8tu0/*http://www.nypost.com/seven/02032008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/joe_lieberman__mccain_for_president_657093.htm) to endorse John McCain was also news at the time.)


There will be many, many more....

[greydread]

I was using it to point out how Black American Voters are voting for Obama solely based on him being Black, not the "change" he says he'll be bringing to America. How you can read a racist twist into this shows how you have bought into the same idea as these people on the clip!!

Hmmmm:rolleyes: .....let's see.....I wonder how many Whites will be voting for McCain just because Obama is Black?

Let's hope that the idiot segment of the voting population on both sides cancel out so that we can get someone to lead an Executive branch of government that will put all Americans first, for a change.

Sean Hannity ought to be locked in a room with Bill O'Reiley until his head explodes. :eek:

[MyTio]

Hmmmm:rolleyes: .....let's see.....I wonder how many Whites will be voting for McCain just because Obama is Black? :eek: :mad:

[knotty]

You gotta be kidding me...!

Of course this was done as a goof, it was done on the Howard Stern Show!!!

I was using it to point out how Black American Voters are voting for Obama solely based on him being Black, not the "change" he says he'll be bringing to America. How you can read a racist twist into this shows how you have bought into the same idea as these people on the clip!!

you know 3some, you have me laughing at some of the stuff you've posted. Your facts are slim to none. you use that clip as a point, but in all actually if you do the same with McCain supporters I'm sure they would have some intelligent things to say like "Obama is a terrorist" or "Obama is a Muslim" which none of those are correct. Please, don't use nonsense such as that to support what you're trying to get across because that's just a terrible. You know as I know there will be many not voting on the facts.

[knotty]

Hmmmm:rolleyes: .....let's see.....I wonder how many Whites will be voting for McCain just because Obama is Black? :eek: :mad:
don't be dumb and not realize that is true.

this woman is scared the Blacks will take over
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshha0lPra6hw2MB70T2

another McCain supporter who thought this would be amusing.
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhg0nevNZi9cg7dZ8u

[MyTio]

why cant you on this site talk abought thing with out using race
3some and greydread I am baning myself till the election is over I will sing back on om 11\5 hopefully this bull shit will stop:icontd:

[Hemp]

Perhaps your buddy/wingman 3some should do the same! Politics discussion is not his "cup of tea"


why cant you on this site talk abought thing with out using race
3some and greydread I am baning myself till the election is over I will sing back on om 11\5 hopefully this bull shit will stop:icontd:

[3somefan]

You are kidding right Hemp?!!

I have tons of facts and evidence to support my statements and views! The simple truth here is that when a conservative member on this board speaks up he bashed with all this bullshit! I know being a conservative on a whoreboad would bring me a lot of grief but I still felt like I needed to bring truth to the board!

I will be done spewing the truth on this thread as agreed to by me and Dread tomorrow. Hope that is soon enough for you all!

Looks like someone already took my privileges away related to using fu's or thank you's, which was not part of the wager!!

[curiousdude]

Hmmmm:rolleyes: .....let's see.....I wonder how many Whites will be voting for McCain just because Obama is Black?

Let's hope that the idiot segment of the voting population on both sides cancel out so that we can get someone to lead an Executive branch of government that will put all Americans first, for a change.

Sean Hannity ought to be locked in a room with Bill O'Reiley until his head explodes. :eek:
Exactly!!! Anyone who has worked on any campaign, as I have, knows that there are one-issue voters, and voters who vote along racial lines. Every campaigner knows that. Like it or not, that's just a reality. And yes, we do need someone who can put all Americans first and that person is Obama.

Anyone who takes Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity and FOX seriously should read Al Franken's book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them (even though it is many years old it will give you a good introduction to Bill O'Reilly and some of these other clowns) and see the documentary Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism: http://www.outfoxed.org/ FOX is a rightwing propaganda organization pandering to the base and low, and masquerading as a legitimate news operation.

"Fox News" is another oxymoron.

[Hemp]

3, i hope you not taking any of this personal??? i dont know you, therefore i dont know you as a person. But from your political views and stand points that you post so "boostfully" THEY STINK! full of Propaganda, Rhetoric and mud slinging...I have no problems with Republican Conservatives or center Republicans who focus on the issues specifically and how they view them and how it affects them directly and indirectly, You can tear a page from Hunter's book and a few others on here...But from your post you come off very mis-informed and off track, and believeing lies and empty rhetoric! posting links and vid's from un-reliable sources, believing news stations such as Faux news...etc...Im actually quite disappointed in you 3, I expected better...Im still hoping for the ladder when we finally meet though, albeit Im currently NOT enthused.
You are kidding right Hemp?!!

I have tons of facts and evidence to support my statements and views! The simple truth here is that when a conservative member on this board speaks up he bashed with all this bullshit! I know being a conservative on a whoreboad would bring me a lot of grief but I still felt like I needed to bring truth to the board!

I will be done spewing the truth on this thread as agreed to by me and Dread tomorrow. Hope that is soon enough for you all!

Looks like someone already took my privileges away related to using fu's or thank you's, which was not part of the wager!!

[moshy2k]

Guys,

Lets back off of the racial aspects a bit. Some of the original postings have a significant racist tone to them. I would not like to ban anyone for something when using a little common sense will avoid an issue.

Let us refrain from posting links that try to classify a group of people in negative light to make a political point.

[Inconego]

Funniest Clip is watching the McCain camp reach for straws... McCain makes the comment (trying to scare people about Barack Obama) "He's trying to distribute the wealth!!!!" .... That's just a hilarious idea... I feel sorry for the poor conservatives... Good luck to them...

[3somefan]

I will now refrain from any more political commentary until after the election (and probably even after that) in order to honor my word to Greydread on our wager.

Again, Congrats on your win Dread, you not only just beat my team, you whooped my ass by 100 points!!!

I feel you all know where I stand. I know many don't agree and that is ok. I hope that we can all continue to be cool with each other based on our common thread of mongering. I have not taken anything personal and hope now of you guys have either.

I apologize to everyone that may have been offended by my comments related to race. I never meant to come off against any race and am not a racist.

Now back to the regularly scheduled program. :)

[greydread]

why cant you on this site talk abought thing with out using race
3some and greydread I am baning myself till the election is over I will sing back on om 11\5 hopefully this bull shit will stop:icontd:



I was using it to point out how Black American Voters are voting for Obama solely based on him being Black

ahem....

I was responding to this bit of shitkickery which is highlit in yellow. I am a firm believer that America as a whole is bigger than this issue and that the real issues of the day and intelligent dialogue and focused, collective action will get us all beyond whatever crises we may face....together.

I am not, however blind to what I now call the "3some effect" which is not at all as concerned with the right direction for American policy as they are with their very unsubtle personal agendas.

You can click your little "fuck U" button until your dick falls off and you're not going to get me to allow utter nonsense to go unexposed. If you can't stand the heat.....

[greydread]

I will now refrain from any more political commentary until after the election (and probably even after that) in order to honor my word to Greydread on our wager.

Again, Congrats on your win Dread, you not only just beat my team, you whooped my ass by 100 points!!!


Now back to the regularly scheduled program. :)
3,

We don't have to agree on everything. I admire you for the above statement as well as your ability to create renewed excitement with your efforts in organizing an ISOC event (the bikini contest) and that's enough for me.

I didn't think my "Dirty Muddogs" had a chance against your "DeezeNuts" and was fully prepared to follow your present course. In order to help you to stay on the straight and narrow I'll limit my remarks to only include the candidates as they can't be held completely responsible fo sme of their fringe supporters.

Having said that, let me give you something to while away the time between now and 5 Nov 2008:

http://palinaspresident.com

Don't forget to click around the room :rofl:

[PapiQueRico]

How about, instead of using obviously biased, and seriously tainted sources like Sean Hannity, we look a reputable sources like Factcheck.org and politifact.com

Here is what factcheck.org has to say about the Obama/Ayes connection:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html

[greydread]

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/875948fe4a76b670e.jpg

:p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p

[moshy2k]

Through all of this Presidential coverage I have come to one definate conclusion.

I would FUCK Cambell Brown (CNN). lol

[Inconego]

Once again, that's the scary thing about conservatives... There's absolute silence until election day, then all the states start flashing red, and NYer, Californians, etc start the hand wringing...

Hey I don't know about you guys, but I realize that America doesn't have the footprint it once did, and turning your back on people doesn't work anymore with China, Russia in the mix (The Chinese ARE
The New Imperialists...), and health insurance is going through the roof... you baby boomers should really be worrying about that...

If you believe that's what McCain is about, go for it...


I will now refrain from any more political commentary until after the election (and probably even after that) in order to honor my word to Greydread on our wager.

Again, Congrats on your win Dread, you not only just beat my team, you whooped my ass by 100 points!!!

I feel you all know where I stand. I know many don't agree and that is ok. I hope that we can all continue to be cool with each other based on our common thread of mongering. I have not taken anything personal and hope now of you guys have either.

I apologize to everyone that may have been offended by my comments related to race. I never meant to come off against any race and am not a racist.

Now back to the regularly scheduled program. :)

[PapiQueRico]

Through all of this Presidential coverage I have come to one definate conclusion.

I would FUCK Cambell Brown (CNN). lol

I'm just happy I'm not particularly into blondes or else I'd find myself watching FOX. All the women there are rubias.

[Cheeno]

Wow, only thirteen days left until the elections.

In 1996, I voted for Clinton. In 2000, I voted for Gore (He barely won Wisconsin over Bush). In 2004, I did not vote because I did not like both candidates.

This year, I will be voting for Obama. :biggrin:

[PapiQueRico]

Well it is nice to see that Ms. Joe Six Pack has had a chance to play dress up. To the tiune of $150,000. Seven year old Piper got a Louis Vuitton hand bag. Bet she'll be the talk of the Wasilla Elementary School!

Saks, Nieman Marcus. $4,700 just for hair and makeup! And to think, the Republicans blasted John Edwards for his $400 haircut!

I bet Michelle Bachmann could have used that money for her campaign. :)

[Jimmydr]

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/332748ffb6a20d6e3.jpg

[GREEKFREAK]

word on the street Obama use to be a monger in Sosua. just what iheard

[greydread]

word on the street Obama use to be a monger in Sosua. just what iheard
Word on the street here is that McCain almost flunked out of the U.S. Naval Academy chasing pussy all over Annapolis and the surrounding Baltimore and Washington D.C. area. Palin was a "frat ho" and used to entertain trains.

Now to the candidates qualifications: A 72 year old cancer victim with a religeous nut one 72 year old heartbeat away from leadership of the "Free World" and the big red button? It must be the Halloween season. I can't think of a scarier scenario.

I'll bet she understands the V.P.'s job, now.

She's planning for the geezer to croak. Sarah Palin is the new version of "Anna Nicole Smith".

[MyTio]

Word on the street here is that McCain almost flunked out of the U.S. Naval Academy chasing pussy all over Annapolis and the surrounding Baltimore and Washington D.C. area. Palin was a "frat ho" and used to entertain trains.

Now to the candidates qualifications: A 72 year old cancer victim with a religeous nut one 72 year old heartbeat away from leadership of the "Free World" and the big red button? It must be the Halloween season. I can't think of a scarier scenario.

I'll bet she understands the V.P.'s job, now.

She's planning for the geezer to croak. Sarah Palin is the new version of "Anna Nicole Smith". http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/uploaded/3486/1224794267.wmv

[PapiQueRico]

word on the street Obama use to be a monger in Sosua. just what iheard


Reinforces my decision to vote for him! :corky:

[greydread]

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/uploaded/3486/1224794267.wmv
You make such an intelligent and passionate argument that I can hardly find the strength to disagree.

NOT:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Fact: John McCain, who graduated 5th from the bottom of his class at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis and was only allowed in as a "legacy" as his father and grandfather were Admirals in the U.S. Navy and academy alumni has so far failed to distinguish himself after spending a generation in the U.S. Senate while 1st term U. S. Senator Barack Obama, who graduated from Law school Magna Cum Laude and served as the President of the Harvard Law Review has gone on to distinguish himself in every endeavor despite rising from humble beginnings.

Question: Why do some people still wish for the "Dumbing Down of America" when the result could not be more obvious after the "dumbing down" that we've taken for the past 8 years?

Answer: :eek: :eek: :eek: ...see quoted post.....

[greydread]

FOX is a rightwing propaganda organization pandering to the base and low, and masquerading as a legitimate news operation.

"Fox News" is another oxymoron.
The guys who's only argument against reason and common sense is a "Fuck U" button??

Yeah. I know all albout them. :rolleyes:

[Kevy]

Exactly!!! Anyone who has worked on any campaign, as I have, knows that there are one-issue voters, and voters who vote along racial lines. Every campaigner knows that. Like it or not, that's just a reality. And yes, we do need someone who can put all Americans first and that person is Obama.

Anyone who takes Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity and FOX seriously should read Al Franken's book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them (even though it is many years old it will give you a good introduction to Bill O'Reilly and some of these other clowns) and see the documentary Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism: http://www.outfoxed.org/ FOX is a rightwing propaganda organization pandering to the base and low, and masquerading as a legitimate news operation.

"Fox News" is another oxymoron.

I watched Fox as it was one of the "news" channels on my last trip to Thailand. well I would have a an hour to kill while I smoked my cigar. We don't have them in Canada. I was shocked how blatently one sided they were in all their reporting. I couldn't believe anyone would be fooled by them:confused:

[weyland]

Word on the street is that Obama used to be a monger in Sosua.
So that's where he picked up "Sorry to walk out on you so abruptly but my grandmother is sick"

[Young Hero]

I love Fox ! Just turn down the volume and watch the hottest women in tv news. I gave up on all the major networks a long time ago.

[Cheeno]

So that's where he picked up "Sorry to walk out on you so abruptly but my grandmother is sick"


Hey Weyland :biggrin:

Thanks for the laugh. You should become a comedian and have your own talk show!!! :smile:

[greydread]

A Michaek Isikoff article entitled "History of the 'S' Bomb":

John McCain (http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=John+McCain) recently accused Barack Obama of advocating socialist policies (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/18/AR2008101802212_pf.html). It turns out he was channeling one of his illustrious home-state predecessors—Barry Goldwater (http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=Barry+Goldwater).
In newly unearthed correspondence (http://www.newsweek.com/id/165403), Goldwater, the famed GOP senator from Arizona and a conservative icon, wrote a stinging letter to Lyndon Johnson (http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=Lyndon+Johnson) just after he heard the news that the then Senate majority leader had agreed to be John F. Kennedy's running mate in the 1960 election.
Goldwater's complaint: that Johnson would be running on a "socialist" Democratic Party platform.
"Dear Lyndon," Goldwater wrote to LBJ (http://www.newsweek.com/id/165403) on July 15, 1960. "It is the morning after, so to speak and as I sit here in my study, I still have a numb feeling of despair over your actions of yesterday in accepting the candidacy for Vice President. It is difficult to imagine a person like you running in a second spot to a weaker man, but it is even more incredible to try to understand how you are going to try to embrace the socialist platform of your party. I think many people, Lyndon, share my feeling of disappointment."
Goldwater—who was known for his candor, not to mention his occasional grouchiness—then added: "You were intended for great things, but I don't think you are going to achieve them now. It is not easy to write this letter for I have always had respect for you. Sincerely, Barry Goldwater."
Johnson took a somewhat more measured tone in his response (http://www.newsweek.com/id/165398) nearly a month later.
"Dear Barry," he replied on Aug. 11, 1960 (http://www.newsweek.com/id/165398). "I think all of us have to decide for ourselves what represents a "socialist" platform, and what represents the reasonable consensus upon which a political party can honorably go to the country. I made my decision not on the basis of seeking [to be Kennedy's running mate] which would lead to 'great things,' but upon my inner belief as to what represented a clear call to duty. Sincerely, Lyndon B. Johnson."
The correspondence was discovered last weekend in the LBJ Library by Ben Barnes, a veteran Washington lobbyist from Texas and former Johnson protégé. Barnes was prompted to look for the letters after reading McCain approvingly quote his campaign's newfound workingman's hero, Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher (a.k.a. Joe the Plumber) saying that Obama's economic views "sounded a lot like socialism."
"At least in Europe, the socialist leaders who so admire my opponent are up front about their objectives," McCain said in a speech last Saturday in New Hampshire.
The parallels were not lost on Barnes. In an e-mail to NEWSWEEK attached to the correspondence, he wrote: "Ironically, this is not the first time a Senator from Arizona has attacked the Democratic nominee charging socialism."
Robert Dallek (http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=Robert+Dallek), a historian and Johnson biographer, says he's never seen the 1960 exchange between Johnson and Goldwater that Barnes discovered. But Dallek says that "in terms of where Goldwater was at the time, it doesn't surprise me." The charge of "socialism" against Democrats like Kennedy and Johnson "is the kind of rhetoric the country had been hearing [from conservative Republicans] for a while."
It wasn't always politically effective. Kennedy and Johnson narrowly edged their Republican opponents, Richard Nixon and Henry Cabot Lodge, in the 1960 election. Four years later, Johnson trounced Goldwater in a landslide.
McCain is fond of citing Goldwater on the stump. But Democrats don't talk much about Johnson anymore, Dallek notes. Last Aug. 27 was the 100th anniversary of Johnson's birth. But despite the urging of some old admirers, no mention of that was made at the Democratic convention at which Obama was nominated. The reason, Dallek says, is almost certainly the legacy of Vietnam and its uncomfortable parallels with the war in Iraq. But LBJ's star might yet rise again, Dallek suggests—especially if the country's economic woes continue. Then the new Obama Democrats might start to focus more on Johnson's economic and domestic policies—not to mention his effective deflection of the "socialist" label.

[weyland]

"At least in Europe, the socialist leaders who so admire my opponent are up front about their objectives," McCain said in a speech last Saturday in New Hampshire.
I would like a list of these leaders and their countries, because I cannot offhand think of one. If I could, I would probably go and live there. What fantasy world does McCain inhabit?

And why should any socialist admire Obama, a man who has promised to continue the wars in the Middle East and has just endorsed giving $750 billion of the taxpayers' money to the same crooks who have been wasting and embezzling $trillions for the last eight (and more) years?

[PapiQueRico]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...t_delusion (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_joe_conason/mccain_s_socialist_delusion)

Wherever John McCain appears on the stump in these waning days of the presidential campaign, he is always accompanied by his imaginary friend "Joe the Plumber," but it is the specter of Karl Marx that lurks just offstage.

Reverting back to the Republicanism of eons ago, when he was just a child, McCain inveighs against the "socialist" design of Barack Obama's tax platform. This delusional ranting, like so much of his behavior this year, tells us nothing about Obama (or socialism!) but much about him.

Let's begin with the dishonesty of the McCain rant. What Obama proposes is to restore tax rates on the wealthy to the same level as during the Clinton administration -- that is, to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire without renewing them for individuals and families reporting more than $250,000 in annual income. There is nothing radical in this idea, let alone socialistic (especially compared with the violations of capitalist orthodoxy that McCain has supported recently as emergency measures to rescue the financial industry).

Not only is there nothing radical about repairing the unfairness of the Bush tax cuts, but it is precisely the same position that McCain argued when they were first enacted. Is his memory so poor that he cannot remember saying the Bush tax plan was "skewed" to benefit the rich? Having reversed that position for political convenience, he has also invented a different justification for opposing Bush back then -- namely that he thought the cuts were fiscally irresponsible. But that isn't what he said in 2000 and 2001.

Now let's address the ignorance of his rant. Progressive taxation is a tradition of Western economics that dates back considerably further than Marx and the Communist manifesto, with all due respect to the wingnuts who seem to be writing McCain's speeches. He admits that he has neglected his economic studies, so perhaps he isn't aware that Adam Smith, revered philosopher of market capitalism, advocated tax fairness as far back as 1776, the fateful year when he published the first edition of "The Wealth of Nations."

Although there was then no income tax, Smith's principled judgment on the justice of higher taxes on those who could pay more, enunciated on several occasions, could not be clearer. He favored property taxes and luxury taxes because they would fall most heavily on the wealthy.

He would have levied a sizeable tax on all seven of the McCain homes plus an additional chop at all of Cindy McCain's credit card binges.

In "Wealth of Nations," Smith wrote: "The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state."

Few legislators are more familiar than McCain, in his maverick incarnation, with the enormous fortunes raked in by oilmen, defense contractors, bond holders and the whole host of modern capitalists under the protection of the American state. The notion that those fortunes, often gotten in a parody of the free market, should be taxed at the same rate as the earnings of a plumber would strike Smith as monumentally unjust and an attack on the moral foundations of society.

Finally, let's discuss the other bit of demagoguery in McCain's most recent speeches, when he complains about the "redistribution of wealth"

and equates an income tax rebate for working people with "welfare." Leaving aside the racial subtext of those remarks, it is hard to say whether they display ignorance, dishonesty or both. The American tax system, like all other taxation in modern nations, has always redistributed wealth. Sometimes it sends streams of money upward, from low-income taxpayers into the pockets of corporate executives; at other times it sends those streams downward, to assist the very poor.

But to cast socialist aspersions on a tax refund to working families whose incomes are too low to pay income taxes is to paint a big pink stripe onto McCain's supposed idol, Ronald Reagan. In 1986, Reagan signed legislation greatly increasing the Earned Income Tax Credit, a credit for low-income workers that reduces the impact of payroll taxes in order to boost take-home pay above poverty levels. When the credit is more than the amount of federal income taxes owed by an individual, that person receives a tax "refund." Reagan praised the earned income tax credit as the best "anti-poverty" and "pro-family" legislation ever enacted by Congress.

It must be troubling for Republicans to learn that according to McCain, the Gipper was a socialist, too.

[howudoen]

How does your 401k look now?
Byline: bob | Category: Taxes & Spending, 2008 Presidential Election | Posted at: 6:12 pm
If your 401k looks like mine, it’s fallen a lot in the last few months.

But, if you think your retirement account looks bad now, imagine what’s going to happen when a Democratic House, a filibuster-proof Democratic Senate, and a Democratic President get done with it:

Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-Calif., and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee’s Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute.

If you think that Barack Obama won’t support this, then have a listen to this exchange again:

“It’s not that I want to punish your success . . . I think that when you spread the wealth around it’s good for everybody.”

Even worse is this part of the plan being considered:

. . . all workers would receive a $600 annual inflation-adjusted subsidy from the U.S. government but would be required to invest 5% of their pay into a guaranteed retirement account administered by the Social Security Administration. [so far, so good, but here’s the problem] The money in turn would be invested in special government bonds that would pay 3% a year, adjusted for inflation.

You do know that 2008 Social Security taxes that are collected above and beyond what is necessary to pay 2008 Social Security disbursements goes into the general fund for whatever purposes the government wants, don’t you? There is no “lock box”. The extra money isn’t set aside. It never has been. It’s spent by Congress in the current year. That’s why even in the late 90s when we were running a “surplus,” we weren’t really running a surplus because we were accumulating future debt, but spending current receipts allocated against that debt in the current year. (If you need a primer, I suggest you ask this guy. He will give you an honest answer–at least if it’s not an election year when he’s more interested in electing his guy to national office instead of slamming the other guy currently in that office.)

Taking current year’s tax money and spending it this year, while giving the taxpayer a government bond, makes as much sense as my wife giving me money so that I can spend it now while I give her an IOU in exchange. The money won’t be there in the future, just the IOU.

This plan removes the tax-deferred savings benefit of a 401k–thus taking away the entire reason people use these retirement plans, and instead gives you an IOU. It won’t raise the $80 billion projected because people won’t have reason to use a 401k after this change, AND it won’t do anything to reduce future Social Security expenditures. It’s a bad plan now and in the future.

But there is one benefit. After this Washington tax and retirement plan the Democrats promise you, death won’t look so bad

[SJG]

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[curiousdude]

http://i38.tinypic.com/1z5lt7t.gif

MCCAINILINGUS FOR PRESIDENT??? :icontd:

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/g/N/2/mccain-debate.jpg

[curiousdude]

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/a/O/2/mccain-palin-tongue.jpg

Perhaps we need a separate thread for this important topic.

[SJG]

How does your 401k look now?
Byline: bob | Category: Taxes & Spending, 2008 Presidential Election | Posted at: 6:12 pm

Nice to see you get your information from such reputible sources.

Well, I guess if I was as desperate as McCain and the Republicans, I'd be clinging to any anonymous source I could find too.

[curiousdude]

http://www.todaysplanet.com/pg/beta/lizardlover/pic/lester_and_tongue.jpg

[moshy2k]

Ok this is the dumbest shit I have seen someone do in a while. How elitest is McCains brother. I guess 15 minutes of traffic is to much for such an important man. fucking idiot.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-24-joe-mccain_N.htm

[moshy2k]

I was at the BMW dealer today as my lease expired today and got into a conversation with another customer.

The guy was saying he hates that the Democrats are trying to make the US a Socialist society. I asked him if he was against socialism in our society. He ranted for about 10 minutes about how the country was born on capitalism and was the way we became great.

After listening to him for a bit I told him I think the US has benefited from socialist programs. Of course he looked at me cross-eyed....

I mentioned that we already have many forms of socialism that have help our society.

1. Social Security
2. Welfare
3. Governmenet backed loans
4. Medicare
5. Student loans for college(guaranteed by the govt)

Then I asked him if he believed that the government should have healthcare for every person. Wouldn't that also be a form of Socialism?

We began talking about the candidates. And he would actually discuss the issues rather than the worthless mud slinging.

I think he saw the light on the ridiculious Socialism arguement. We disagreed on a few issues between Obama and McCain.

We disagreed on the tax breaks between Obama and McCain.

My point was if a tax break is given to only one economic class and not everyone across the board. Is that not a method of spreading wealth around.

So if the rich get a break and the poor don't then it is spreading the wealth around to the wealthy and not the poor. And the opposite is spreading it around to the poor and not the rich. Either way someone is getting screwed. He is a believer in trickle down economics and I am not.

We agreed that it would make sense for anyone making more than the 250k to be against the Obama plan. But anyone making less than 250k kinda makes you scratch your head if they are against it..

Those were the only to issues we kinda came to a common ground. His biggest issue with Obama was experience. But he beleived that McCain would last the 4 years and we wouldn't have to worry about Palin.

Finally a great political conversation without the other nonsense.

[curiousdude]

Ok this is the dumbest shit I have seen someone do in a while. How elitest is McCains brother. I guess 15 minutes of traffic is to much for such an important man. fucking idiot.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-24-joe-mccain_N.htm

There's apparently more than one guy in that family who needs anger management. John McCain has anger issues, just as his dumb brother does, and he is famous in the Senate for his explosive temper and swearing at others. He even called his own wife Cindy a cunt in public back in 1992. For the short story, see http://www.rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html
(this is documented in the book The Real McCain, which is referenced in this article).

On the campaign trail, in a townhall meeting, McCain was asked this year about his having called his wife a cunt, and this is how he responded...well, how he didn't respond: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOl4iT46Eec So much for Straight Talk.

[greydread]

Okay so here we are with a single digit day count before we all go out to do our civic duty and vote our conscience. I have no doubt that all the pundits with their polls and interactive maps and smug opinions are worth a collective grand total of: not shit. I'd much rather concentrate my mental efforts on what happens after the election when either one of the candidates wins. Let's not forget that we are talking about three U.S. Senators who will undoubtedly each wield a great amount of influence, regardless of losing the election. None of them wants to burn bridges with the others because they will no doubt rely on one another to get their jobs done. Here's my take on the outcome:

If McCain wins: Senators Obama and Biden return to their duties in the Senate as majority members with tons of influence. In contrast to what Gov. Palin thinks she'll be doing as (in her words) "Leader of the Senate":rofl: ), her job will be reduced to "powerless obserer" as the solid Democratic majority which some predict will be "fillibuster proof" at 60 members stands ready to neuter a McCain Presidency by blocking any of his pet legislation with which they might disagree. He will need Senators Obama and Biden's aid in order to have any hope of pursuing his political agenda. Any upcoming nominations to the U.S. Supreme Court or Federal District Courts could be left hanging until 2012 when the Dem's take their next run at the Oval Office.

If Obama wins: Senator McCain will be a useful ally as their now open Senate seats go up for grabs and could possibly reduce the Democratic hold in the Senate. Hell, Joe Lieberman's already in his pocket and the illusion of a "fillibuster proof" Democratic Senate could vanish into thin air before they even get the drapes hung. There will be many necessary back room deals in order to push this administration's push for "change". Sarah Palin, of course will go back to Alaska to finish her one time stint as Governor and end up on a talk show opposite Oprah. When that fails, she will be reduced to a talking head, reading teleprompters for Faux News. We've got a long way to go before we've heard the dumbest shit to ever come out of her mouth. Who knows? Maybe she'll run for Ted Stevens' seat while he's getting fitted for his orange jumpsuit....he could still win his election while under trial..:eek:

[PapiQueRico]

Here is an article that explains how the replacements will be chosen in the various states.

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000002978979

[Juggles]

Who knows? Maybe she'll run for Ted Stevens' seat while he's getting fitted for his orange jumpsuit....he could still win his election while under trial..:eek:

This has been the banter in Alaska for a LONG time....

However, recent investigations into her own 'maverick' ways (backroom deals, unfair pipeline bidding process, vengeful attempted firing of ex-brother in-law) have definitely diminished the shine on this plan/option.

[SJG]

Examples of reasons why McCain's inability to control his temper disqualifies him to be president. This nut job is one fry short of a happy meal:


Casino Patron
Back in 2005, The Daily Beast reports that McCain was in Puerto Rico as the guest speaker for a magazine industry conference, held at one of the island’s major casinos. After his speech, McCain headed to the casino for a stint at the craps table. Now, anyone who plays craps knows that when the dice are about to be thrown, everyone’s hands are suppose to be off the table. But McCain, whether unfamiliar with the rule or simply distracted, left his hands on the felt. A small, middle aged woman who was a casino regular reached over and touched McCain’s arm, apparently trying to make him aware of his gambling faux pas. But McCain wasn’t having it. “Don’t touch me!” he screamed. The woman tried to explain, but McCain cut her off. “Do you know who I am?” Again the woman tried to explain, and again, the red-faced McCain interrupted. “Do you know who you’re talking to?”
Responding to the disturbance, the pit-boss approached McCain and said, “Sir, you must be courteous to the other players at the table.”
McCain wheeled and began shouting at the pit boss. “Do you know who I am? Ask anybody around here who I am!” He went on repeating his question until one of the other players at the table intervened and offered to trade places with McCain, so that he wouldn’t have to stand next to the woman who had run afoul of the Senator.

Bush Staffer
Taegan Goddard, the Political Wire blogger who is renowned for his ability to be among the very first to break stories out of Capitol Hill, wrote on October 9, 2008, about a senior Bush staffer who’d confided in him about the GOP’s presidential nominee. According to Goddard’s source, there were “at least three occasions where he saw McCain fly into a fit of rage, including one time where he got physical and actually shoved the person who was annoying him.”

"Morning Joe’s" Mika Brzezinski
You may have heard of Joe Scarborough (the former-Republican-Congressman-turned-talk-show-host) and his MSNBC daily, "Morning Joe." Now, given his past affiliations with the GOP, Scarborough tends to be pretty forgiving to guests of his own party. He’s more or less fair, but it’s no stretch to say that a Republican is a lot more likely to consider "Morning Joe" friendly territory than is a Democrat.
On September 16, McCain appeared on Scarborough’s show. When co-host Mika Brzezinski questioned him about the tenor of his campaign ads, McCain became irritated. He accused Brzezinski of being an open “Obama supporter,” and urged her to convince Obama to accept his invitations to debate him in town-hall format. Brzezinski was taken aback, saying that she wouldn’t classify herself as the Senator had. At the tail end of the interview, Brzezinski again brought up McCain’s jab, pointing out that her brother had been working for his campaign, and had worked for George W. Bush for several years before that. McCain bristled: “Thanks. That was a cheap shot.”

Grabbing Foreign Dignitary by Shirt Collar
One incident was recently brought to light by Mississippi Republican Senator Thad Cochran, a McCain supporter no less (albeit, one who only begrudgingly supported his colleague after he’d sealed the nomination). During a meeting at the height of US-South American tensions in 1987, McCain reached across a table to physically assault a dignitary from the Nicaraguan delegation. Cochran recalled McCain grabbing the man by his shirt collar, "to tell him what he thought about him or whatever."

Senator Ted Kennedy
On August 6, 1993, the Boston Globe ran a story detailing a heated verbal exchange between Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy and McCain. Kennedy was at the lectern delivering remarks, when McCain began walking toward him from across the Senate floor, mocking the Massachusetts legislator. McCain shouted at Kennedy to "shut up." A stunned Kennedy fired back at McCain, telling him, "you shut up...and act like a Senator."

Democratic Rep. Marty Russo (D-IL)
In its December 1985 issue, Atlantic Monthly described an altercation that took place just a few years after McCain had been elected to the House for the first time. Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) found himself in the crossfire between the two Congressman, who were angrily shouting "seven-letter and twelve-letter" epithets back and forth at one another, when the exchange became violent and they began pushing and shoving one another. The two were separated from their tangle by a few other legislators who were nearby.

Former Phoenix Mayor Paul Johnson
Newsmax, the "conservative perspective" political publication run by Chris Ruddy, didn't cut McCain any partisan slack in a July 2006 article, in which it recounted a dust-up between McCain and some local government officials in his home state. Speaking at a luncheon at which McCain was in attendance, former Phoenix Mayor Paul Johnson was among a group of local mayors fielding questions from the Arizona Congressional delegation about local land issues. In the midst of one answer from Johnson, who helmed the city from 1990 to 1994, McCain blurted out, "Hold it a minute. Somebody write down everything this guy has to say. You know what, we need to record him. It's best to get a liar on tape."

Taken aback, Johnson offered the Senator a chance to speak privately, saying, "Senator, if you have a problem with me, why don't we go out in the hallway and talk about it."

McCain fired back: "You're God-damn right I have a problem with you! They've been treating you like a princess in Phoenix while they've been burning me over this damn deal, and I'm sick of it!"

Unidentified GOP Senator
Accounts of McCain's outburst at a Senate GOP policy lunch has reached near-epic proportion, having been written about by just about every blog and news site from Newsmax, to DailyKos, to the Huffington Post, to Wonkette, and so on. During a vitriolic exchange between McCain and another unnamed Senator who took a position contrary to that of his colleague from Arizona. McCain became infuriated, jumping from his chair and calling his fellow Republican a "shithead," prompting an immediate demand for an apology. McCain stood up again and issued it...sort of. "Okay, I apologize," he said. "But you're still a shithead."

Senator Pete Domenici
Newsweek's February 21, 2000 edition highlighted an exchange between McCain and Republican Senator Pete Domenici of New Mexico, Chairman of the Budget Committee. In staunch disagreement with a particular portion of a budget amendment, McCain exploded. "Only an asshole would put together a budget like that." Domenici, who'd been in the Senate nearly 30 years by that point, gave a restrained reply, noting that even in the most heated debated throughout his entire career, no one had ever used that kind of language toward him. McCain didn't back down. "I wouldn't call you an asshole unless you really were an asshole."

Unidentified GOP Senator
In 2006, Ron Kessler of Newsmax wrote that much of McCain's unpopularity in the Senate stems from his 2000 campaign, when the vast majority- in fact, all but four- of his colleagues backed George W. Bush in the GOP primary. One of McCain's top aides recounted a telephone conversation between McCain and another Senator, who was explaining that he'd already committed to supporting Bush. When he finished, McCain bristled. "Fuck you," he said, and hung up, never to speak to him again.

Senator Strom Thurmond
In an article titled "Senator Hothead," The Washingtonian recounted one particular encounter between McCain and then-92-year-old Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina. McCain was giving an opening statement at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing when Thurmond, the committee chairman, interrupted to inquire as to whether McCain was finished so that the proceedings could be moved along. McCain glared at Thurmond and thanked him for his "courtesy." McCain later confronted Thurmond on the Senate floor, and a "scuffle" ensued. "The two didn't part friends."

Senator Chuck Grassley
The same Newsweek article that outlined McCain's confrontation with Domenici pointed to a similar incident with Republican Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa. The two were debating issues related to soldiers who had been reported Missing In Action in Vietnam. After a blistering commentary by McCain, Grassley took offense. "Are you calling me stupid?" he asked.

McCain didn't miss a beat. "No, I'm calling you a fucking jerk."

Senator John Cornyn
On May 18, 2007, The Washington Post reported that McCain had locked horns with another one of his GOP colleagues, this time Senator John Cornyn of Texas. The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill of 2007 had caused an enormous rift among Republicans, and the two Senators found themselves on opposite sides. Cornyn objected to a provision of the bill that allowed for what he perceived as too many judicial appeals for illegal immigrants. McCain called his objections "chicken shit" and accused Cornyn of making petty tactics to sabotage the whole bill. Cornyn took immediate offense.

"Wait a second here. I've been sitting in here for all these negotiations and you just parachute in here on the last day. You're out of line."

Then McCain, who'd been spending a lot of time away from Washington on his presidential campaign, got a little more out of line. "Fuck you!" he shouted. "I know more about this than anyone in this room!" McCain apologized shortly afterword.

His Own Wife, Cindy McCain
In his new book, The Real McCain, Cliff Schecter, a journalist and frequent contributor at the Huffington Post related perhaps the most disturbing of McCain's tirades. During his 2000 White House bid, the Senator was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, his aides, and three journalists who spoke to Schecter on condition of anonymity, but independently confirmed each other's accounts of the incident. Cindy McCain playfully ran her fingers through the Senator's hair and teased, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain reddened and fired back, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollup, you cunt." After he'd cooled down, McCain apologized, saying he'd had a long day.

Volunteer Campaign Aide
Back on November 5, 1999, the Arizona Republic ran a story about one particular example of McCain's mistreatment of his own campaign staff, an outburst that would haunt him for years to come. Just hours after McCain was elected to the Senate for the first time, a campaign volunteer was setting up a podium, from which the newly-elected Senator was to deliver a victory speech. When the 5'9 McCain saw that the podium was being set up to accommodate a taller man, McCain snapped, hurling expletives and epithets at the young aide as members of the press and supporters watched.

Judy Leiby, Senior Aide to Sen. Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ)
In Ron Kessler's July 5, 2000 Newsmax piece titled, "McCain's Out-of-Control Anger: Does He Have the Temperament to Be President?" the author recounted McCain's encounter with Judy Leiby, a senior member of Senator Dennis DeConcini's staff. DeConcini, an Arizona Democrat, had announced his retirement, and McCain had stopped by to wish him well. Seeing a large crowd, McCain shook the hand of everyone in the office - except Leiby, who had differed with him on a number of issues during her time in DeConcini's office. Sensing the awkwardness, one of the other staff members asked McCain if he'd been introduced to Leiby. "Oh," he said, "I know her." McCain wheeled back to Leiby and said, "I'm so glad you're out of a job, and I'll see to it that you never work again." McCain admitted that he'd made the comment, saying that he hadn't held Leiby in "particularly high esteem."

Jim Abbot, Coronado National Forest Supervisor
In the same Newsmax piece mentioned above, Kessler interviewed Jim Abbot, a park ranger who oversaw operations at Coronado National Forest, a large forest located in McCain's home state. Abbot had become concerned that construction on a new building at the University of Arizona was threatening some of the park's endangered wildlife, and petitioned for a temporary halt to construction. When it was granted, McCain got in touch with him. "If you don't cooperate on this project," he threatened, "you'll be the shortest tenured supervisor in the history of the Forest Service."

Robin Silver, Bob Witzeman - Medical Doctors
Stemming from the issue of construction and the endangered species in Coronado National Forest, McCain received a visit from two doctors who had been involved in local environmental preservation: Robin Silver, and Bob Witzeman. At the very mention of the matter, McCain exploded, slamming his fists on his desk, scattering papers about the room, and unleashing a tirade of expletives and threats that lasted for 10 minutes. Silver commented that McCain's outburst was uncalled for, and McCain apologized.

Rep. John LeBoutillier (R-NY)
A New York Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, Rep. John LeBoutillier had interviewed McCain in a meeting regarding POWs. During the meeting, LeBoutillier had placed a tape recorder on the table.

Later, LeBoutillier encountered McCain in the course of House business, but McCain refused to speak to him without confirming that he wasn't tape recording the conversation. "Are you wired up?" McCain demanded. Despite LeBoutilliers assertions that he was not, McCain insisted that he lower his pants and prove that he was not wearing any kind of listening device.

"He's a vicious person," LeBoutillier said of his former colleague.

Senator Richard Shelby, (R-AL)
In a piece that ran in the January 28, 2000 edition of Investor's Business Daily titled, "Can McCain Control His Temper?" the editorial board raised the issue of an incident between McCain and another of his Senate colleagues, Republican Richard Shelby of Alabama. Shelby had cast a vote against the nomination of Defense Secretary John Tower, and McCain became enraged, getting an inch away from Shelby's face. McCain screamed at him, letting expletives and names fly. Mcain was "half boasting" when he said, "I was madder than hell when I accosted him."

Delegation of Female Air Force Pilots
Former editor of the Arizona Republic, Pat Murphy, wrote a detailed editorial that was carried by a number of different papers in December of 1999. Murphy pointed to an incident in which a delegation interested in expanding opportunities for female pilots visited McCain at his Senate office back in 1991. McCain greeted them by calling them "honey," and "sweetie," and then proceeded to disparage them, calling them "a bunch of Pat Schroeders." Schroeder was a Colorado Democrat who had championed women's rights issues while in office.

Diane Smith, a McCain Constituent
Murphy also mentions Diane Smith, a constituent of McCain, who wrote to the Senator to criticize what she perceived as unfair treatment of Anita Hill, the woman who claimed to have been sexually harassed by then-Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas. McCain personally called the 60 year-old woman and berated her for "questioning [his] integrity."

Sandra Dowling, Maricopa County School Superintendent
In a 60 Minutes interview with Morley Safer, Sandra Dowling, the Maricopa County (Arizona) superintendent of schools, recounted the time she'd refused McCain's demand that she retract her support of a political rival of one of McCain's protégés. McCain screamed at her, threatening to "destroy" her. Her son soon thereafter lost his appointment to the US Naval Academy (of which McCain is an alum). McCain denied any connection, though he sits as an ex officio member of the Board of Visitors.

NBC
The television network NBC refused to support a television rating system that McCain had proposed be introduced. McCain wrote to the network's president, Robert Wright, threatening to work to have the Federal Communications Commission lift NBC licenses on locally-owned stations.


Next up, McCain's own terrorism connection to Iran/Contra. I think he needs to fully explain his involvement. He's lied about it before.

[howudoen]

Remember this picture on election day!

Let's all remember this on election day...if you have family serving in the military, make sure you send it along. I don't care for Hillary, but at least she shows respect for the country she lives in!

I had heard about this but a picture is definitely worth 1000 words! God save us!!!




Remember this picture on election day!

Let's all remember this on election day...if you have family serving in the military, make sure you send it along. I don't care for Hillary, but at least she shows respect for the country she lives in!

I had heard about this but a picture is definitely worth 1000 words! God save us!!!





Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin stand during the national anthem.
Barack Hussein Obama's photo (that's his real name).....the article said he REFUSED TO NOT ONLY PUT HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, BUT REFUSED TO SAY THE PLEDGE.....how can a man like this expect to be our next Commander-in-Chief



Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin stand during the national anthem.
Barack Hussein Obama's photo (that's his real name).....the article said he REFUSED TO NOT ONLY PUT HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, BUT REFUSED TO SAY THE PLEDGE.....how can a man like this expect to be our next Commander-in-Chief

[howudoen]

Around 1979 Obama started
college at Occidental in California . He is very open about his
two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting
his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did
not apply himself to his studies. 'Barry'(that
was the name he used all his life) during this time
had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid
Hamid, both from Pakistan . During the summer of 1981,
after his second year in college, he made a 'round
the world' trip. Stopping to see his mother
in Indonesia , next Hyderabad in India , three weeks
in Karachi , Pakistan where he stayed with his
roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his
father's family. My question - Where did he get the
money for this trip? Nether I, nor any one of my
children would have had money for a trip like this when
they were in college. When he came back he started school
at Columbia University in New York . It is at this
time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not
Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia ?
It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get
money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe.
AfterColumbia, he went to Chicago to work as a
Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago ?
Why not New York ? He was already living in New York .

By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony'
Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria , and a real estate
developer inChicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud
and bribery this year. Rezko, was named
'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the
Arab-American Business and Professional
Association'. About two years later, Obama entered
Harvard Law School . Do you have any idea what
tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where did he get
the money for Law School? More student loans?

After Law school, he went back to Chicago. Rezko
offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take
a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland.
Guess what? They represented 'Rezar' which

Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first
major financial contributors when he ran for office in
Chicago. In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for
Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland
claims was instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money' for his
U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in
Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than
asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where
did he get the money for the property? On the same day
Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty
lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi
Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezk $3.5
million three weeks before Obama's new home was
purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie
Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now
Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any
major decisions without talking to her first.
Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz,
Iran! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley
advisor to Obama was 'sacked' after the press
found out he was having regular contacts with 'Hamas',
which controls Gaza an is connected with Iran.

This past week, buried in the back part of the papers,
Iraqi newspapers reportedthat during Obama's visit to Iraq,
he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after
he is elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that
where born in Pakistan? They are in charge of all those 'small' Internet
campaign contribution for Obama. Where is that money
coming from? The poor and middle class in this country? Or could
it be from the Middle East?

And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008,
The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on
'This Week' with George Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking
about his religion said, 'My Muslim faith'. When questioned,
'he made a mistake'. Some mistake!

All of the above information I got on line. If you
would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack
Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama
visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times -
September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this
information on my own, Why haven't all of our 'intelligent'
members of the press been reporting this?

A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - 'Beware of
the enemy from within'!!!

[howudoen]

'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived
As taking sides,' Obama said. 'There are a lot of people in the world to
Whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself
Conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all.
It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I
Like the song 'I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing.' ! If that were our
Anthem, then I might salute it.'

[Hemp]

I dont think i have ever seen this country so united when it comes to changing the direction of things in my life!!! this is going to be a historic election with record breaking poll voting. The people really want change and nothing is going to stand in our way, and if the "powers that be" try to pull some okie doke shit like with the Gore situation years ago....i really believe all hell is going to break loose, and i will start charting my coarse to move out of this country.The NAACP along with other organizations will have thousands of Lawyers set up at various poll sites around the country to aid the people just in case they run into legal obstacles that would hinder them from voting...Also to make sure there is no okie doke shit going on at the poll sites!!!We NOT playing around with this election!

[MyTio]

From Drew Griffin and Kathleen Johnston
CNN Special Investigations Unit http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/text_size.gif http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/txt_minus.gif http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/txt_minus_dn_.gif http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/txt_plus.gif http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/txt_plus_dn.gif CROWN POINT, Indiana (CNN) -- More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana's Lake County by a liberal activist group this week have turned out to be bogus, election officials said Thursday.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/art.acorn.jpg An official enters the Las Vegas, Nevada, ACORN office, which is under investigation for alleged voter fraud.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif The group -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN -- already faces allegations of filing fraudulent voter registrations in Nevada and faces investigations in other states.
And in Lake County, home to the long-depressed steel town of Gary, the bipartisan Elections Board has stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.
"All the signatures looked exactly the same," Ruthann Hoagland, a Republican on the board. "Everything on the card filled out looks exactly the same." :eek: :eek: :eek: Every one gets one vote and only one

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[greydread]

From Drew Griffin and Kathleen Johnston
CNN Special Investigations Unit http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/text_size.gif http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/txt_minus.gif http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/txt_minus_dn_.gif http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/txt_plus.gif http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/txt_plus_dn.gif CROWN POINT, Indiana (CNN) -- More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana's Lake County by a liberal activist group this week have turned out to be bogus, election officials said Thursday.... An official enters the Las Vegas, Nevada, ACORN office, which is under investigation for alleged voter fraud.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif The group -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN -- already faces allegations of filing fraudulent voter registrations in Nevada and faces investigations in other states.
And in Lake County, home to the long-depressed steel town of Gary, the bipartisan Elections Board has stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.
"All the signatures looked exactly the same," Ruthann Hoagland, a Republican on the board. "Everything on the card filled out looks exactly the same."
>
I notice that there's no mention from you of the absentee "vote-by-mail" ballots sent out in upstate N.Y. with the choises for President listed as "McCain - Rep" and "Osama - Dem". You probably think it's cute when the right wing nuts went "Ooops, it must have been a clerical error". How is it these right wing nuts are always whining but when the "Hanging Chad" debacle obliterated the will of the nation in 2000 they tried to make a joke out of it, mocking Gore/ Lieberman as "Sore/ Loserman" on their cute little bumper stickers.

Right before they drove our National economy into the toilet, got us bogged down in two wars and eroded individual rights with unprecedented (and unconstitutional) legislation...:icontd:

A vote for McCain is a vote to continue with more of the same. He hasn't had an original idea in decades. Hell, yesterday on "Meet the Press" it took him 10 minutes to remember who his "great friend", George Schultz was. I wonder if in a year he'll remember his "Depends" size or how to change them????

[curiousdude]

The mainstream media has followed the FOX "News" like sheep into the trap set by the Republican Party/FOX, with its dissemination of the ACORN vote fraud story (which is itself a fraud). This has distracted attention from the fact that the Republicans have already succeeded in suppressing the vote of poor and minority voters in several important "swing states." The Republican administration's political firings of US attorneys in various states was related to its ongoing efforts to perpetrate this voter fraud hoax, as it continued in its efforts, along with the decidedly unhelpful (very harmful) Help America Vote Act, to reduce the number of likely Democratic voters who will be allowed to vote, and whose votes will be counted, at the polls.

This year, it won't be blacks disenfranchised in the South (as with the Jim Crow era). It will be blacks disenfranchised in other parts of the country, such as Ohio and Indiana and Colorado, and hispanics in New Mexico and Arizona. Jesse Jackson, Robert Kennedy Jr., Greg Palast, and scores of others are bracing for more of the same tactics we witnessed in 2000 (Florida) and 2004 (Ohio, New Mexico), as well as some new ones.

Hundreds of thousands of likely Democratic voters will be turned away from the polls or will be forced to file "provisional ballots" many of which will not be counted. That is the real story. It is not a question of whether the Republicans will steal votes in the upcoming election - it is only a question of how many. There is absolutely no evidence anyone ever voted twice, on the other hand, as the result of ACORN's efforts to register voters. (Some names appeared twice as a result of voter registration efforts, but there is no evidence any single voter commited the felony of voting twice in the same election as a result of the ACORN registration efforts). However, there were hundreds of thousands of votes not counted in various states, especially in Ohio and New Mexico, in the 2004 elections - votes that should have been counted and if they had been, votes that would have confirmed Kerry as the winner of the 2004 election. Even bigger problem in 2000 with Gore, in Florida, where the number of blacks and other likely Democratic voters wrongly purged from the voter rolls far exceeded the narrow margin of victory (even without considering the effect of hanging chads, and other questionable votes).

Watch out. We're in for a repeat.

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From the Brad Blog (www.bradblog.com (http://www.bradblog.com)):

SPECIAL COVERAGE: The GOP's ACORN 'Voter Fraud' Lie


http://www.bradblog.com/Images/ACORN_NevadaRaid_100708.jpg
The GOP's ACORN
'Voter Fraud' Hoax
(2006 Version)

The seeds for this scam had been planted long ago. But by the GOP, not by ACORN. See our Special Coverage page of the GOP's "American Center for Voting Rights" (http://www.bradblog.com/ACVR) front group, formed in early 2005 (just three days before they were called to testify to Congress on the '04 election) to begin the propaganda front for the 2008 election.
Also, see the Rosetta Stone for the modern day GOP "voter fraud" scam --- meant only to keep legal voters from being able to cast a vote at all --- in "Conservative Founding Father" (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6375) Paul Weyrich's 1980 speech to 15,000 Baptist preachers in Dallas. The :40 second video is here (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6302), featuring Weyrich instructing his fellow rightwingers (including Ronald Reagan and Jerry Falwell, who were also there):
"I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
And then, right on schedule, in the days prior to the 2008 election, the GOP again hauled out their bogus ACORN "voter fraud" scam, as the latest battle in the ongoing "Republican War on Democracy" (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/20/uselections2008.civilliberties).
Here are the most notable stories from that recently reignited scam...


10/7/08: 'Stunt' Raid at NV ACORN Office & the GOP ACORN Lie Revealed (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6480)
10/8/08: RNC Issues Fox 'News' Transcript on ACORN 'Voter Fraud' as Press Release (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6487)
10/9/08: GOP Election Official Claims ACORN 'Voter Fraud' in MO (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6488)
10/9/08: GOP Sheriff Claims 'Voter Fraud' in Dem County in OH (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6493)
10/12/08: FL's 'Voting-Rigging' Congressman Cries 'Voter Fraud' on Fox (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6499)
10/12/08: 1.3 Million Reasons for the GOP 'Dixie-Chicking' of ACORN... (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6503)
http://www.bradblog.com/Images/ACORN_VoterRegistrationDrive_2007-2008.jpg (http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=22383&tx_ttnews=12387&cHash=41ba018b65)
...And the [B]FACTS to Counter It... (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6503)
10/13/08: Brad at UK's Guardian - "The Republican Voter Fraud Hoax" (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2008/oct/13/election-acorn-voter-fraud)
10/13/08: McCain Was ACORN's Keynote Speaker in 2006! (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6508)
10/14/08: So Where's the ACORN 'Voter Fraud'? (Hint: It doesn't exist) (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6512)
10/16/08: John McCain: 'One of the Greatest Frauds in Voter History' (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6522)
He Should Know, As Even Some Republicans Begin to Back off the Lie
10/19/08: CA GOP Vote Registration Contractor Arrested for Registration Fraud, Perjury (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6534)
10/21/08: GOP Charges of ACORN 'Voter Fraud' in NM Fall Apart (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6541)
10/22/08: Colbert Video: GOP ACORN 'Voter Fraud' Hoax Now a National Joke (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6545)
10/25/08: VIDEO: The Truth About ACORN (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6565)
PLUS: Unprecedented Politicization from White House and DoJ... Getting the picture? Please click the links above to learn what you aren't being told about this story by the clueless corporate media.
Additionally strongly recommended reading:

AlterNet: "California GOP had Same Voter Registration Problems as ACORN in 2006" (http://www.alternet.org/democracy/102933/california_gop_had_same_voter_registration_problems_as_acorn_in_2006/)
Los Angeles Times: "Voters say they were duped into registering as Republicans" (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-me-fraud18-2008oct18,0,1499440,full.story)
NYTimes: "In 5-Year DOJ Effoft, Scan Evidence of Voter Fraud" (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?ei=5088&en=277feccfa099c7d0&ex=1334030400&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1197490509-kQxLoEru+cH9aetsLB6CnA)
Lorraine Minnite, Columbia Univ: "The Politics of Voter Fraud" [PDF] (http://www.bradblog.com/Docs/PoliticsofVoterFraudFinal.pdf)
U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC): Original, Unaltered Bi-Partisan Report on Voter Fraud in the U.S. (or Lack Thereof) (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4391)And what you're not hearing about because of the GOP's ACORN "voter fraud" hoax:

U.S. PIRG, 9/24/08: "Vanishing Voters: Registered Voters Dropped From Rolls in Nineteen States" (http://www.uspirg.org/newsroom/voting/voting-news/washington-d.c.-nineteen-states-not-enforcing-federal-laws-on-voter-lists)
CBS News, 9/30/08: "Red Flag on Purging Voter Rolls" (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/30/eveningnews/main4490682.shtml)
Brennan Center for Justice, 9/30/08: "Voter Purges:13 million voters in 39 states" (http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/voter_purges)
New York Times, 10/8/08: "States' Actions to Block Voters Appear Illegal" (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin)
BBC Newsnight, 10/8/08: "Vote rigging and suppression?" (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7658856.stm)
AlterNet, 10/14/08: "California GOP had Same Voter Registration Problems as ACORN in 2006" (http://www.alternet.org/democracy/102933/california_gop_had_same_voter_registration_problems_as_acorn_in_2006/?page=entire)
Rolling Stone, 10/17/08: "Block the Vote: the GOP's campaign to deter new voters and discard Democratic ballots" (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/block_the_vote/print)
Washington Post, 10/18/08: "Thousands Face Mix-Ups In Voter Registrations: In New Databases, Many Are Wrongly Flagged as Ineligible" (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/17/AR2008101703360_pf.html)
Los Angeles Times, 10/18/08: "Voters say they were duped into registering as Republicans" (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-me-fraud18-2008oct18,0,1499440,full.story)

[curiousdude]

Every one gets one vote and only one

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...OR NONE. No one, or hardly anyone, will actually vote twice. Where is the evidence ANYONE voted twice? Doesn't exist. (US Attorneys were actually fired by Bush/Gonzalez because they refused to prosecute bogus cases of voter fraud.) But there is lots and lots of evidence that many eligible voters have been wrongly purged from the rolls, or have otherwise been challenged and forced to vote with a provisional ballot that was not counted. Hundreds of thousands, if not milliions (as in previous elections) will be wrongly denied the right to vote again this year.

[greydread]

There's been a good deal of focus on the hot button issues of the day (energy costs, economic troubles, etc) and even more focus on distractions and rhetoric. I just want to make it plain why the Dem's had me this time from "hello"....

We authorized George "Missing for Duty" Bush and Dick "Draft Deferred" Cheney to do whatever it took to find and bring to justice all participants in the planning, execution, logistical and moral support to the 9-11 hijacker/ mass murderers and they in turn gave their generals the green light to go into Afghanistan and handle their business. Not many have a problem with that.

Then they extended that authorization to include acting upon false information and starting a war in Iraq. Many had a problem with that. In spite of that, most of us figured "well, since we're there now lets win" and we stood in support of the troops even if we thought the war was a bad idea since it put the real war on terror on "hold".

So the bombs were dropped, our troops rolled into Baghdad, took the place over, drove Saddam into a hole and arrested or killed their government. Then we disbanded their Army. We "won". That all happened years ago but now John McCain, rather than to reflect our need to finish what Al Qaeda and the Taliban started in Afghanistan chose to state during one of his "Town Hall" meetings that it would be "just fine" with him if our military stayed in Iraq for 100 years.

...but I thought we won.

Then, after a couple flip flops he decides to notice that there's an Al Quaeda/ Taliban presence in Iraq. That's odd, they weren't there before we got there. Saddam had no mercy on those fuckers and killed them any time they crossed into Iraq's border but now they're running around like "roaches with the lights on".

Our troops have been serving valiently in the face of an elusive and largely unidentified enemy who desn't adhere to the accepted conventions of legitimate warfare. Upon their return home after unheard of extensions to their tours of duty, they are facing involuntary second and third tours. This, as the result of the administration's refusal to remove our military assets from Iraq (where we won the war a long time ago) and redirect our concentrated and reconstituted full power of military might to Afghanistan so that we can win that one, too.

Some of you may have taken a trip or two to The National Cemetery in Arlington, VA where far too many of our troops have been laid to rest after serving and giving the ultimate sacrifice. Well, I ride past it every day as it is less than 2 miles from my house and I have witnessed a population explosion as the DoD has bought additional adjacent land to make room for our thousands of fallen heroes (the REAL heroes) who have had to be interred there since after we "won" the war in Iraq.

John McCain is unwittingly (but not unknowingly) trying to get America to follow a path to more of this:

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Give Barack Obama and Joe Biden a chance to end this right wing nut inspired nightmare and bring our troops home with honor and victory to stand in defense of this country's borders and sovereignty and leave Iraq to the Iraqis.

[moshy2k]

One thing I just dont' get is why John McCain says he will bring our troops back in victory and honor and not in defeat and dishonor.

All of our troops come home with honor no matter what the circumstances.

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[Gladiator]

It seems that the FT is also supporting Obama, and I don't think many can accuse the FT of being socialist...


Obama is the better choice

Published: October 26 2008 19:31 | Last updated: October 26 2008 19:31

US presidential elections involve a fabulous expense of time, effort and money. Doubtless it is all too much – but, by the end, nobody can complain that the candidates have been too little scrutinised. We have learnt a lot about Barack Obama and John McCain during this campaign. In our view, it is enough to be confident that Mr Obama is the right choice.

At the outset, we were not so confident. Mr Obama is inexperienced. His policies are a blend of good, not so good and downright bad. Since the election will strengthen Democratic control of Congress, a case can be made for returning a Republican to the White House: divided government has a better record in the United States than government united under either party.

So this ought to have been a close call. With a week remaining before the election, we cannot feel that it is.

Mr Obama fought a much better campaign. Campaigning is not the same as governing, and the presidency should not be a prize for giving the best speeches, devising the best television advertisements, shaking the most hands and kissing the most babies.

Nonetheless, a campaign is a test of leadership. Mr Obama ran his superbly; Mr McCain’s has often looked a shambles. After eight years of George W. Bush, the steady competence of the Obama operation commands respect.

Nor should one disdain Mr Obama’s way with a crowd. Good presidents engage the country’s attention; great ones inspire. Mr McCain, on form, is an adequate speaker but no more. Mr Obama, on form, is as fine a political orator as the country has heard in decades. Put to the right purposes, this is no mere decoration but a priceless asset.

Mr Obama’s purposes do seem mostly right, though in saying this we give him the benefit of the doubt. Above all, he prizes consensus and genuinely seeks to unite the country, something it wants. His call for change struck a mighty chord in a tired and demoralised nation – and who could promise real change more credibly than Mr Obama, a black man, whose very nomination was a historic advance in US politics?

We applaud his main domestic proposal: comprehensive health-care reform. This plan would achieve nearly universal insurance without the mandates of rival schemes: characteristically, it combines a far-sighted goal with moderation in the method. Mr McCain’s plan, based on extending tax relief beyond employer-provided insurance, also has merit – it would contain costs better – but is too timid and would widen coverage much less.

Mr Obama is most disappointing on trade. He pandered to protectionists during the primaries, and has not rowed back. He may be sincere, which is troubling. Should he win the election, a Democratic Congress will expect him to keep those trade-thumping promises. Mr McCain has been bravely and consistently pro-trade, much to his credit.

In responding to the economic emergency, Mr Obama has again impressed – not by advancing solutions of his own, but in displaying a calm and methodical disposition, and in seeking the best advice. Mr McCain’s hasty half-baked interventions were unnerving when they were not beside the point.

On foreign policy, where the candidates have often conspired to exaggerate their differences, this contrast in temperaments seems crucial. For all his experience, Mr McCain has seemed too much guided by an instinct for peremptory action, an exaggerated sense of certainty, and a reluctance to see shades of grey.

He has offered risk-taking almost as his chief qualification, but gambles do not always pay off. His choice of Sarah Palin as running mate, widely acknowledged to have been a mistake, is an obtrusive case in point. Rashness is not a virtue in a president. The cautious and deliberate Mr Obama is altogether a less alarming prospect.

Rest assured that, should he win, Mr Obama is bound to disappoint. How could he not? He is expected to heal the country’s racial divisions, reverse the trend of rising inequality, improve middle-class living standards, cut almost everybody’s taxes, transform the image of the United States abroad, end the losses in Iraq, deal with the mess in Afghanistan and much more besides.

Succeeding in those endeavours would require more than uplifting oratory and presidential deportment even if the economy were growing rapidly, which it will not be.

The challenges facing the next president will be extraordinary. We hesitate to wish it on anyone, but we hope that Mr Obama gets the job.

[Cheeno]

Moshy, please tell me that you at least had the time to test drive the M3 or M5. Both cars will give you an orgasm. :wink:

Anyway, eight days and counting.....

[PapiQueRico]

One thing I just dont' get is why John McCain says he will bring our troops back in victory and honor and not in defeat and dishonor.

All of our troops come home with honor no matter what the circumstances.

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This doesn't belong on a ho board. It belongs on the front page of every newspaper and hanging as a banner across every Main St.

I was disgusted this morning at the reports that the military needs to extend the Stop-Loss program at least through 2009. Is that any way to honor our soldiers?

[PapiQueRico]

I dont think i have ever seen this country so united when it comes to changing the direction of things in my life!!! this is going to be a historic election with record breaking poll voting. The people really want change and nothing is going to stand in our way, and if the "powers that be" try to pull some okie doke shit like with the Gore situation years ago....i really believe all hell is going to break loose, and i will start charting my coarse to move out of this country.The NAACP along with other organizations will have thousands of Lawyers set up at various poll sites around the country to aid the people just in case they run into legal obstacles that would hinder them from voting...Also to make sure there is no okie doke shit going on at the poll sites!!!We NOT playing around with this election!


The supression of votes has already started. Every time I see McCain or Palin talk about how close the race is I think that in the back of their minds they know that they have a head start. That's why it is so important to encourage as many people as possible to get to the polls and vote!

Hemp, it's a lot more important where you are than many of the states.

I'm hoping for a large electoral victory that will preclude this election being decided in the courts.

[weyland]

Interesting to read the above views as an outsider. It seems both the Republican and Democrat supporters here are agreed that the US is incapable of running an honest election.

[greydread]

Interesting to read the above views as an outsider. It seems both the Republican and Democrat supporters here are agreed that the US is incapable of running an honest election.
When's the last time you guys elected a "new" Monarch??


:p

[curiousdude]

Interesting to read the above views as an outsider. It seems both the Republican and Democrat supporters here are agreed that the US is incapable of running an honest election.
We need outside observers. Jimmy Carter travels elsewhere to observe other elections. It is shameful that our own country has gotten to the point that it needs outside monitoring as well.

[jensenspecial]

is this getting any worse....???? Guys , there ae foreigners reading your lines...would you mind???






Around 1979 Obama started
college at Occidental in California . He is very open about his
two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting
his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did
not apply himself to his studies. 'Barry'(that
was the name he used all his life) during this time
had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid
Hamid, both from Pakistan . During the summer of 1981,
after his second year in college, he made a 'round
the world' trip. Stopping to see his mother
in Indonesia , next Hyderabad in India , three weeks
in Karachi , Pakistan where he stayed with his
roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his
father's family. My question - Where did he get the
money for this trip? Nether I, nor any one of my
children would have had money for a trip like this when
they were in college. When he came back he started school
at Columbia University in New York . It is at this
time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not
Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia ?
It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get
money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe.
AfterColumbia, he went to Chicago to work as a
Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago ?
Why not New York ? He was already living in New York .

By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony'
Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria , and a real estate
developer inChicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud
and bribery this year. Rezko, was named
'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the
Arab-American Business and Professional
Association'. About two years later, Obama entered
Harvard Law School . Do you have any idea what
tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where did he get
the money for Law School? More student loans?

After Law school, he went back to Chicago. Rezko
offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take
a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland.
Guess what? They represented 'Rezar' which

Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first
major financial contributors when he ran for office in
Chicago. In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for
Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland
claims was instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money' for his
U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in
Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than
asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where
did he get the money for the property? On the same day
Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty
lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi
Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezk $3.5
million three weeks before Obama's new home was
purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie
Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now
Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any
major decisions without talking to her first.
Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz,
Iran! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley
advisor to Obama was 'sacked' after the press
found out he was having regular contacts with 'Hamas',
which controls Gaza an is connected with Iran.

This past week, buried in the back part of the papers,
Iraqi newspapers reportedthat during Obama's visit to Iraq,
he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after
he is elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that
where born in Pakistan? They are in charge of all those 'small' Internet
campaign contribution for Obama. Where is that money
coming from? The poor and middle class in this country? Or could
it be from the Middle East?

And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008,
The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on
'This Week' with George Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking
about his religion said, 'My Muslim faith'. When questioned,
'he made a mistake'. Some mistake!

All of the above information I got on line. If you
would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack
Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama
visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times -
September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this
information on my own, Why haven't all of our 'intelligent'
members of the press been reporting this?

A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - 'Beware of
the enemy from within'!!!

[moshy2k]

One thing i will admit about McCain.

I love his line. " I will veto the pork spending & You will know there Names"

That's one of the best lines of the election. If I made over 250k or was wealthy, and he didn't have Palin as a VP choice I would vote for him.

[weyland]

When's the last time you guys elected a "new" Monarch??
:p
I am a republican (with a small "r"), but you should know that the Queen has nil influence on political policy and decisions and therefore your analogy is totally ignorant and pointless. Just what I would have expected from one of MiamiBeachGuy's soulmates.

Furthermore, instead of being a burden on the taxpayers in these difficult times and, for example, running up massive bills for frocks like the Queen of Alaska, our gracious sovereign has taken a second job to support herself:

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[SJG]

I am a republican (with a small "r"), but you should know that the Queen has nil influence on political policy and decisions and therefore your analogy is totally ignorant and pointless. Just what I would have expected from one of MiamiBeachGuy's soulmates.

Furthermore, instead of being a burden on the taxpayers in these difficult times and, for example, running up massive bills for frocks like the Queen of Alaska, our gracious sovereign has taken a second job to support herself:

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That's funny, I heard ol' Liz was sucking cock down at the docks....:eek: :rofl:

[SJG]

Sarah Palin's War on Science: The GOP ticket's appalling contempt for knowledge and learning. (http://www.slate.com/id/2203120)

[elsucio]

I used to get slightly amused by the depths of her ignorance, now it annoys me and i find it somwhat embarrassing. The whole world is watching and i can't help but wonder what they are thinking. What does it say about us when people actually give serious consideration to her as a potential leader of our country. I have little patience for religous zealots like her who try to tell me what books my child should be allowed access to and that they have to study creationism in schools, if that is your belief and it works for you fine but don't force those beliefs on me my children. If that is what you want then send hem to private christian schools or home school but not schools recieving tax payers money, oops i better be quiet or someone is liable to accuse me of having "anti-American" ideas.......

[3somefan]

You make such an intelligent and passionate argument that I can hardly find the strength to disagree.

NOT:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Fact: John McCain, who graduated 5th from the bottom of his class at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis and was only allowed in as a "legacy" as his father and grandfather were Admirals in the U.S. Navy and academy alumni has so far failed to distinguish himself after spending a generation in the U.S. Senate while 1st term U. S. Senator Barack Obama, who graduated from Law school Magna Cum Laude and served as the President of the Harvard Law Review has gone on to distinguish himself in every endeavor despite rising from humble beginnings.

Question: Why do some people still wish for the "Dumbing Down of America" when the result could not be more obvious after the "dumbing down" that we've taken for the past 8 years?

Answer: :eek: :eek: :eek: ...see quoted post.....


The guys who's only argument against reason and common sense is a "Fuck U" button??

Yeah. I know all albout them. :rolleyes:


A Michaek Isikoff article entitled "History of the 'S' Bomb":

John McCain (http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=John+McCain) recently accused Barack Obama of advocating socialist policies (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/18/AR2008101802212_pf.html). It turns out he was channeling one of his illustrious home-state predecessors—Barry Goldwater (http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=Barry+Goldwater).
In newly unearthed correspondence (http://www.newsweek.com/id/165403), Goldwater, the famed GOP senator from Arizona and a conservative icon, wrote a stinging letter to Lyndon Johnson (http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=Lyndon+Johnson) just after he heard the news that the then Senate majority leader had agreed to be John F. Kennedy's running mate in the 1960 election.
Goldwater's complaint: that Johnson would be running on a "socialist" Democratic Party platform.
"Dear Lyndon," Goldwater wrote to LBJ (http://www.newsweek.com/id/165403) on July 15, 1960. "It is the morning after, so to speak and as I sit here in my study, I still have a numb feeling of despair over your actions of yesterday in accepting the candidacy for Vice President. It is difficult to imagine a person like you running in a second spot to a weaker man, but it is even more incredible to try to understand how you are going to try to embrace the socialist platform of your party. I think many people, Lyndon, share my feeling of disappointment."
Goldwater—who was known for his candor, not to mention his occasional grouchiness—then added: "You were intended for great things, but I don't think you are going to achieve them now. It is not easy to write this letter for I have always had respect for you. Sincerely, Barry Goldwater."
Johnson took a somewhat more measured tone in his response (http://www.newsweek.com/id/165398) nearly a month later.
"Dear Barry," he replied on Aug. 11, 1960 (http://www.newsweek.com/id/165398). "I think all of us have to decide for ourselves what represents a "socialist" platform, and what represents the reasonable consensus upon which a political party can honorably go to the country. I made my decision not on the basis of seeking [to be Kennedy's running mate] which would lead to 'great things,' but upon my inner belief as to what represented a clear call to duty. Sincerely, Lyndon B. Johnson."
The correspondence was discovered last weekend in the LBJ Library by Ben Barnes, a veteran Washington lobbyist from Texas and former Johnson protégé. Barnes was prompted to look for the letters after reading McCain approvingly quote his campaign's newfound workingman's hero, Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher (a.k.a. Joe the Plumber) saying that Obama's economic views "sounded a lot like socialism."
"At least in Europe, the socialist leaders who so admire my opponent are up front about their objectives," McCain said in a speech last Saturday in New Hampshire.
The parallels were not lost on Barnes. In an e-mail to NEWSWEEK attached to the correspondence, he wrote: "Ironically, this is not the first time a Senator from Arizona has attacked the Democratic nominee charging socialism."
Robert Dallek (http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=Robert+Dallek), a historian and Johnson biographer, says he's never seen the 1960 exchange between Johnson and Goldwater that Barnes discovered. But Dallek says that "in terms of where Goldwater was at the time, it doesn't surprise me." The charge of "socialism" against Democrats like Kennedy and Johnson "is the kind of rhetoric the country had been hearing [from conservative Republicans] for a while."
It wasn't always politically effective. Kennedy and Johnson narrowly edged their Republican opponents, Richard Nixon and Henry Cabot Lodge, in the 1960 election. Four years later, Johnson trounced Goldwater in a landslide.
McCain is fond of citing Goldwater on the stump. But Democrats don't talk much about Johnson anymore, Dallek notes. Last Aug. 27 was the 100th anniversary of Johnson's birth. But despite the urging of some old admirers, no mention of that was made at the Democratic convention at which Obama was nominated. The reason, Dallek says, is almost certainly the legacy of Vietnam and its uncomfortable parallels with the war in Iraq. But LBJ's star might yet rise again, Dallek suggests—especially if the country's economic woes continue. Then the new Obama Democrats might start to focus more on Johnson's economic and domestic policies—not to mention his effective deflection of the "socialist" label.


Okay so here we are with a single digit day count before we all go out to do our civic duty and vote our conscience. I have no doubt that all the pundits with their polls and interactive maps and smug opinions are worth a collective grand total of: not shit. I'd much rather concentrate my mental efforts on what happens after the election when either one of the candidates wins. Let's not forget that we are talking about three U.S. Senators who will undoubtedly each wield a great amount of influence, regardless of losing the election. None of them wants to burn bridges with the others because they will no doubt rely on one another to get their jobs done. Here's my take on the outcome:

If McCain wins: Senators Obama and Biden return to their duties in the Senate as majority members with tons of influence. In contrast to what Gov. Palin thinks she'll be doing as (in her words) "Leader of the Senate":rofl: ), her job will be reduced to "powerless obserer" as the solid Democratic majority which some predict will be "fillibuster proof" at 60 members stands ready to neuter a McCain Presidency by blocking any of his pet legislation with which they might disagree. He will need Senators Obama and Biden's aid in order to have any hope of pursuing his political agenda. Any upcoming nominations to the U.S. Supreme Court or Federal District Courts could be left hanging until 2012 when the Dem's take their next run at the Oval Office.

If Obama wins: Senator McCain will be a useful ally as their now open Senate seats go up for grabs and could possibly reduce the Democratic hold in the Senate. Hell, Joe Lieberman's already in his pocket and the illusion of a "fillibuster proof" Democratic Senate could vanish into thin air before they even get the drapes hung. There will be many necessary back room deals in order to push this administration's push for "change". Sarah Palin, of course will go back to Alaska to finish her one time stint as Governor and end up on a talk show opposite Oprah. When that fails, she will be reduced to a talking head, reading teleprompters for Faux News. We've got a long way to go before we've heard the dumbest shit to ever come out of her mouth. Who knows? Maybe she'll run for Ted Stevens' seat while he's getting fitted for his orange jumpsuit....he could still win his election while under trial..:eek:


I notice that there's no mention from you of the absentee "vote-by-mail" ballots sent out in upstate N.Y. with the choises for President listed as "McCain - Rep" and "Osama - Dem". You probably think it's cute when the right wing nuts went "Ooops, it must have been a clerical error". How is it these right wing nuts are always whining but when the "Hanging Chad" debacle obliterated the will of the nation in 2000 they tried to make a joke out of it, mocking Gore/ Lieberman as "Sore/ Loserman" on their cute little bumper stickers.

Right before they drove our National economy into the toilet, got us bogged down in two wars and eroded individual rights with unprecedented (and unconstitutional) legislation...:icontd:

A vote for McCain is a vote to continue with more of the same. He hasn't had an original idea in decades. Hell, yesterday on "Meet the Press" it took him 10 minutes to remember who his "great friend", George Schultz was. I wonder if in a year he'll remember his "Depends" size or how to change them????

Some of our installments of knowledge dropped on us by the "Almighty Greydread!!"

Plus a video clip dedicated to him by one of our Republican brothers on the board!!

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/uploaded/6639/1225153767.wmv

[SJG]

From Drew Griffin and Kathleen Johnston
CNN Special Investigations Unit http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/text_size.gif http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/txt_minus.gif http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/txt_minus_dn_.gif http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/txt_plus.gif http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/2.0/global/story_tools/txt_plus_dn.gif CROWN POINT, Indiana (CNN) -- More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana's Lake County by a liberal activist group this week have turned out to be bogus, election officials said Thursday.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/art.acorn.jpg An official enters the Las Vegas, Nevada, ACORN office, which is under investigation for alleged voter fraud.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/corner_wire_BL.gif The group -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN -- already faces allegations of filing fraudulent voter registrations in Nevada and faces investigations in other states.
And in Lake County, home to the long-depressed steel town of Gary, the bipartisan Elections Board has stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.
"All the signatures looked exactly the same," Ruthann Hoagland, a Republican on the board. "Everything on the card filled out looks exactly the same." :eek: :eek: :eek: Every one gets one vote and only one

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Why don't you link the whole article, where it clearly states at the end (which you so conveniently omitted):



There has been no evidence of voter fraud yet, because voters have yet to go to the polls. But elections officials say they will be sending their information to prosecutors, who will determine whether any investigation will begin.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/

So, no voter fraud has taken place. An organization that registers voters made the mistake of paying some people by the number of voters they registered, then did not do quality control on the work. Now the Republicans use this as the excuse to keep people who they think would be likely to vote Democrat from voting. Same old story.

[SJG]

And what the fuck is up with John McCain's face?

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/4866490685a60d9fb.jpg

Every time I see him, his cheeks get bigger. It's like a squirrel storing nuts. Or in his case, George Bush's nuts...

[moshy2k]

And what the fuck is up with John McCain's face?

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/4866490685a60d9fb.jpg

Every time I see him, his cheeks get bigger. It's like a squirrel storing nuts. Or in his case, George Bush's nuts...

I believe it may be from his surgery's for skin cancer.

[BCell]

the cushings is kicking in

[MyTio]

Mickey Mouse tried to register to vote in Florida this summer, but Orange County elections officials rejected his application, which had an ACORN stamp on it.
http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00041/a4s_vote101408_41870c.jpeg

[SJG]

Mickey Mouse tried to register to vote in Florida this summer, but Orange County elections officials rejected his application, which had an ACORN stamp on it.
http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00041/a4s_vote101408_41870c.jpeg

Republican thugs would probably have found a way to keep him from getting to the polls anyway.....

[Hunter]

ONE MORE WEEK..... Then this stupid thing is finally over :eek: :eek:

[SJG]

The Real voter fraud:

Republicans break federal law and work to purge likely Democratic voters from the voter registry! (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/26/voter.suppression/index.html)

[PapiQueRico]

And in Virginia, another attempt to supress the vote.

http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/phony-flier-says-virginians-vote-different-days

All of this talk about Acorn is just cover for the real voter fraud!

[greydread]

Some of our installments of knowledge dropped on us by the "Almighty Greydread!!"

Plus a video clip dedicated to him by one of our Republican brothers on the board!!

Back..Back...Back under the rock!!!

There's nothing"Almighty" about me at all. I'm just allergic to Stupidity.

We have one group telling us that the only guy with a comprehensive plan to get our government fixed in the wake of the Bush dabacle is "wrong", "not ready to lead" and somehow..somehow...an actual subversive and a threat to national security. Can you believe that shit??? "W" did more to compromise national security than anyone in history, depleting our military, busting the national treasury and leaving our economy in a shambles with banks going broke, people losing their jobs and houses and college and retirement funds being bankrupted all over America. Most Republicans don't agree with either Bush, McCain or Palin when you come right down to it. They spout "conservatism" while practicing "better living (rich only) through higher deficit spending". William F. Buckly is spinning in his grave right now.

Meanwhile, what's that group offering? Noone is quite sure because they change message everytime a new headline pops up and trashes their old one. The two things you can count on from the McCain camp are:


They have no positive message or plan so they continue to press the negative with distortion and outright lies.
Whatever strategy they would eventually come up with will mirror the policies that got us all fucked up in the first place.and still....


.....ther are those who's only argument against overwhelming logic and truth is:

"Fuck U".....Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, Boo, Boo!:p :p :p :p



How you livin'????

[SJG]

Funny you are voting for Obama...nice avatar!:lol: I got myself one of those Obama/curious george tee's by the way...


And now we have our answer about you......

[Summit]

Many here have met me and/or have had very long and in depth conversations with me...IF you all think I am a racist, that is your right...but it couldn't be farther from the truth!

I am sorry if some of you could see some indirect references to racism in the clip as that was not my intention. My intention was only to bring some of my views on Obama's very questionable relationships (that the media mostly ignores), and his very frightening policy ideas to the board.

I knew posting it would get me spurned by many on here but never in a million years thought it would get me referred to a racist or supporting racist beliefs. I could truly care less whether Obama was white, black, red, or green! What I care about is the socialist direction our country will go if he is elected.

You must be a racist. Fact: You will not vote for Obama. Fact: you critic Obama. By the way, there was a black caller into a local talk radio host down here recently talking about all the reparations that will happen when Obama becomes president. If anyone thinks this will not be an issue under an Obama administration...ok...:rofl:

[greydread]

...... By the way, there was a black caller into a local talk radio host down here recently talking about all the reparations that will happen when Obama becomes president. If anyone thinks this will not be an issue under an Obama administration...ok...:rofl:
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

In the absence of real policy issues, you resort to this???

You have less than 60 posts on this board and fully 2/3 of them are clearly not useful in any way. This type of bullshit got the other thread closed and we were just having a conversation until you rudely interrupted wth this bullshit.

Shame on you. When will you be going away again?


:icontd: :icontd: :icontd: :icontd: :icontd: :icontd: :icontd: :icontd: :icontd:

[Summit]

Moshy, please tell me that you at least had the time to test drive the M3 or M5. Both cars will give you an orgasm. :wink:

Anyway, eight days and counting.....

I like BMW, but am a Mercedes fan(F1 and all). Loved my 2004 C320 Sport Sedan! I dont like the C class re-design, but the AMG version has 450hp! I might check out BMW next year. Audi has good stuff too. If Obama gets elected I will need to sell shit while the capital gains tax is still 15%!

[Summit]

We need outside observers. Jimmy Carter travels elsewhere to observe other elections. It is shameful that our own country has gotten to the point that it needs outside monitoring as well.

Yeah...the same Jimmy Carter who validates Hugo Chavez elections...

[Summit]

And what the fuck is up with John McCain's face?

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/4866490685a60d9fb.jpg

Every time I see him, his cheeks get bigger. It's like a squirrel storing nuts. Or in his case, George Bush's nuts...

Its called skin cancer...maybe you should try it?

[elsucio]

You must be a racist. Fact: You will not vote for Obama. Fact: you critic Obama. By the way, there was a black caller into a local talk radio host down here recently talking about all the reparations that will happen when Obama becomes president. If anyone thinks this will not be an issue under an Obama administration...ok...:rofl:

i wanted to quote cause this deserves a "double fuck you"

[Summit]

And now we have our answer about you......

About the tee shirt or my absence?:p I was on a business trip to freezing fucking Frankfurt...even the Russian eros center bitches were colder than normal!

[greydread]

FOX News to air D.W. Grifith's "Birth of a Nation" all day on Election Day!!!


http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/875949076526a4b0e.jpg





Not really, but they might as well. We see the effect they've already had on the weak minded....

[Summit]

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

In the absence of real policy issues, you resort to this???

You have less than 60 posts on this board and fully 2/3 of them are clearly not useful in any way. This type of bullshit got the other thread closed and we were just having a conversation until you rudely interrupted wth this bullshit.

Shame on you. When will you be going away again?


:icontd: :icontd: :icontd: :icontd: :icontd: :icontd: :icontd: :icontd: :icontd:

Ok...I'll ban myself until election day. Have fun with the liberal colloquy coward.

[elsucio]

You must be a racist. Fact: You will not vote for Obama. Fact: you critic Obama. By the way, there was a black caller into a local talk radio host down here recently talking about all the reparations that will happen when Obama becomes president. If anyone thinks this will not be an issue under an Obama administration...ok...:rofl:
I for one have never thought 3some to be a racist, quite the contrary, although i do not support his beliefs i get an underlying feeling he is probaly a nice guy, (sliglty misguided :)) but a comment like yours above, well it says volumes about your beliefs, just to assume that since we are going to have a black president that black people are all going to start talking about reparations, well.......

[curiousdude]

You must be a racist. Fact: You will not vote for Obama. Fact: you critic Obama. By the way, there was a black caller into a local talk radio host down here recently talking about all the reparations that will happen when Obama becomes president. If anyone thinks this will not be an issue under an Obama administration...ok...:rofl:
I don't recall seeing anyone here label 3somefan a racist. I know I did not. I have no reason to believe he is. I just think he is misinformed and I disagree with his political views, as do most of the other posters who have criticized his posts. Some did object to what they found to be racist propaganda in a clip he showed - that's all. As for you, MiamiBeachGuy, I would say, judging from the posts from you that I have read, that you have no puta idea what you are talking about. Go ahead and make your predictions of what Obama will do as President based on a "black caller into a local talk radio host down here." There will be no reparations, under any President or Congress, by the way, at least none of the reparations of the type you are suggesting. You are afraid of reparations, are you? The only "reparations" we may see (whether under Obama or McCain, no matter who is declared President) are more funds, bailouts or "capital injections," intended to repair the mess caused by the financial elites in their mismanagement during the most recent housing bubble, while also intended to protect the narrow self-interest of these same elites. Miami Beach Guy, maybe you should just go to the beach and suck on a pina colada. Oh, and leave your radio at home.

[Summit]

Reading "Road to Serfdom" may be in order. Should make the NY Times #1 Bestseller sometime in 2010, that is, if the NYT is still in business.

[SJG]

Ok...I'll ban myself until election day. Have fun with the liberal colloquy coward.


Why not make it permenant? You bring nothing to the site.

[Summit]

I for one have never thought 3some to be a racist, quite the contrary, although i do not support his beliefs i get an underlying feeling he is probaly a nice guy, (sliglty misguided :)) but a comment like yours above, well it says volumes about your beliefs, just to assume that since we are going to have a black president that black people are all going to start talking about reparations, well.......

Kill the messenger!

[Summit]

Why not make it permenant? You bring nothing to the site.

Minister of Sarcasm?

[curiousdude]

Yeah...the same Jimmy Carter who validates Hugo Chavez elections...
No, he validated a legitimate Hugo Chavez electon, when Chavez won in a landslide as he was wildly popular for trying to keep Venezuela's resources within the country. And then what about the following attempted, and failed, military coup by Bush and company?http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/21/usa.venezuela
Real democratic, that move, wasn't it?

[Hemp]

Lets take it easy gentlemen, i realize feelings are tense...but lets just take it easy.

[greydread]

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/875949077e6f768fb.gif

[Summit]

No, he validated a legitimate Hugo Chavez electon, when Chavez won in a landslide as he was wildly popular for trying to keep Venezuela's resources within the country. And then what about the following attempted, and failed, military coup by Bush and company?http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/21/usa.venezuela
Real democratic, that move, wasn't it?

Funny, the European observers saw the election (the last one) differently. Even when he tried to change the Constitution by referendum he lost by a puny 51 to 49%...I'm sure you believe that? Chavez is a shining example of socialism not working and is proving we should not go down that same path with Obama. Oil production is down 25%...that with the fall in oil pices should shut his pie hole. Keeping Venezuelan resources within the country??? Who are you kidding...he's been using the oil money to buy elections all over latin America and I would not doubt Obama as well. Venezuela has become a shit hole and getting worse. Blaming a coup attempt on Bush and company is as old as dino shit and just another leftist conspiracy theory spewed by Chavez to keep some kind of populist support amoung the under and uneducated in that country. It wont be long and there will be a revolution against Chavez.

[Jimmydr]

.........................?



nooooooooooooo

[Summit]

............................

[Jimmydr]

....................?


I don't use it so I really don't know.

[greydread]

Did you ever think to yourself?:


Damn! I know that Bitch from somewhere!!



http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/87594908db2c3f151.jpg

[carolinajack]

Okay I finally got an idea for my Halloween costume...

...I want to get a life size moose suit - preferably Bullwinkle...

...with a blow up doll dressed to look like Sarah Palin...

...position (strap) the doll to me so she's bent over against me - so it looks like I'm doing her doggie style as I walk...

....a t-shirt on me (the moose) that reads...SARAH LOVES MOOSE MEAT (front)...

....MOOOOOs YOUR DADDY (on the back)...:rolleyes:

...don't know if I have time to pull it all together though...:confused: ...plus have a prior commitment so won't be able to make the NYC Village parade...:mad:

[Juggles]

Okay I finally got an idea for my Halloween costume...

...I want to get a life size moose suit - preferably Bullwinkle...

...with a blow up doll dressed to look like Sarah Palin...

...position (strap) the doll to me so she's bent over against me - so it looks like I'm doing her doggie style as I walk...

....a t-shirt on me (the moose) that reads...SARAH LOVES MOOSE MEAT (front)...

....MOOOOOs YOUR DADDY (on the back)...:rolleyes:

...don't know if I have time to pull it all together though...:confused: ...plus have a prior commitment so won't be able to make the NYC Village parade...:mad:

VERY creative...

[cainer]

I think OBAMA just punched his ticket for presidency with that 30 minute add on cable today.

[MyTio]

cainer why:eek:

[curiousdude]

Did you ever think to yourself?:


Damn! I know that Bitch from somewhere!!



http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/87594908db2c3f151.jpg

I think these are the before and after pictures. Maybe this is what happened to that bitch after she stole drugs from the charity she ran. The news reports (for example, http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/drugs/) thought it was just painkillers she stole. But looking at these pictures, I think it must have been something stronger than Vicodin after all! :rofl: :rofl:

[Hemp]

Agree!

We pretty much have this one in the can :wink: cant wait until its official next week.



I think OBAMA just punched his ticket for presidency with that 30 minute add on cable today.

[curiousdude]

Agree!

We pretty much have this one in the can :wink: cant wait until its official next week.
Looks like it right now. Sure as hell hope you are right.

[Hemp]

only way i dont see us pulling this one off, if "the powers that be" pull the okie doke with the numbers.



Looks like it right now. Sure as hell hope you are right.

[MyTio]

only way i dont see us pulling this one off, if "the powers that be" pull the okie doke with the numbers. you are correct Hemp lets hope acorn did not steal the election

:eek: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Hemp]

Thought you wasnt going to comment in this thread any further until Next Wednesday?





you are correct Hemp lets hope acorn did not steal the election

:eek: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MyTio]

Thought you wasnt going to comment in this thread any further until Next Wednesday? I am going to run for office so I have to practise lying
:eek:

[Hemp]

Shouldnt be too hard for you, we've been watching and listening to a Liar in the big chair for the last 8 years :eek:



I am going to run for office so I have to practise lying
:eek:

[greydread]

Shouldnt be too hard for you, we've been watching and listening to a Liar in the big chair for the last 8 years :eek:
...not to mention the post graduate work on twisting reality, overstating the irrelevant, ignoring the obvious and promoting the outrageous at the University of Fake News.

It's funny as hell to watch Keith Olberman goofing on "Bill-O the Clown" every night while he blows "Bill-O's" ratings numbers out of the water. Now O'Reilly is including the Nielson ratings system in his conspiracy theory. :rofl:

I was watching Faux to see some of these "hot" news ho's I've been hearing about and BAMM!!! up pops Greta Van Sustren :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I had to go take a Lapela!

[curiousdude]

Much of the okie dokie has been done already. The big question is whether the Republicans have cheated enough to steal the election again. Once again, we should not trust polls preceding the vote, or even the exit polls (which showed Gore and Kerry won the last two elections...because THEY DID!) The polls were accurate in expressing the will of the voters, but not accurate in predicting the result, because such polls do not control for the cheat factor. The vote will be close in swing states where Republicans have suppressed the vote. For example, in Colorado a full one fifth of the electorate has been purged from the rolls since the last Presidential election (as admitted in a federal government report) by a Republican hack there who has now been elevated to a federal position by Bush. Are the polls of likely voters now taking into account the fact that some of their "likely voters" will not have their votes counted because they have been removed from the rolls? I don't think so. This election will appear to be closer than it should have been. I was a legal election monitor in Pennsylvania for the Kerry campaign in 2004. Pennsylvania was not such a big problem then, but Ohio was. Now, we have several states where the recorded results for Obama will not reflect what the electorate really wants. My hope is Obama will be declared the winner; my fear, however, is that his victory will lead to our loss of vigilance and a lack of interest in eradicating the vote suppression of the poor and minority population, much of which suppression has been institutionalized already. Meanwhile, of course, Fox is distributing the Kool-Aid.


Drinking the Kool-Aid (http://www.gregpalast.com/drinking-the-kool-aid-how-cries-of-voter-fraud-cover-up-gop-elections-theft/)
How Cries of Voter Fraud Cover Up GOP Elections Theft
(http://www.gregpalast.com/drinking-the-kool-aid-how-cries-of-voter-fraud-cover-up-gop-elections-theft/)

http://www.gregpalast.com/wp-content/uploads/longhuffpost.gif (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-and-greg-palast/drinking-the-acorn-koolai_b_138390.html)
Fired US Prosecutor levels new charges against GOP operatives.
Greg Palast and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-and-greg-palast/drinking-the-acorn-koolai_b_138390.html)
Virtually the entire mainstream electronic media drank ACORN Kool-Aid this month brewed up by the Republican National Committee. Almost no one seriously challenged John McCain's comical assertions that ACORN, a grassroots voter registration group, "is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy."
While the Republicans had the distracted media searching for links between Obama and ACORN, RNC operatives were busily completing one of the most massive voter suppression and purging efforts in American history, stealing hundreds of thousands of Democratic votes across the embattled swing states and striving to arrange chaos and endless lines at the voting booths next week.http://www.gregpalast.com/wp-content/uploads/picture-71.png (http://www.stealbackyourvote.org/)
First the facts about ACORN. Months ago, we obtained, as part of our investigation for Rolling Stone magazine, the Republican's list the GOP alleged were the very worst cases of vote and registration fraud by ACORN and similar groups. We went through the names the GOP asserted were "obviously, undeniably and clearly fraudulent" voter registrations.
First, there was Melissa Tais, a dubious ACORN registrant. Her two voter registration forms show, admittedly, suspiciously different signatures. Republicans suggested Melissa was part of a massive fraud to allow Democrats to vote twice.
They were wrong. Ms. Tais, a Cerrillos, New Mexico, waitress, told us she had signed one form on a table and one form holding the paper in her hand. Hence, a second, wobbly signature.
Then there was Patricia White, who Republicans claimed was a fictitious voter. When we filmed her at home in Albuquerque, she seemed real enough.
And so on, through the entire GOP list -- not one fraud. And these were their best cases out of the five million "illegal voters" who Republican leaders claim have infiltrated America's voting rolls.
http://www.gregpalast.com/wp-content/uploads/picture-101.png (http://www.stealbackyourvote.org/)The overblown histrionics about ACORN do not surprise those of us who have been watching the RNC's election manipulation antics. For eight years White House operatives have been trying to gin up press stories about voter fraud. David Iglesias of New Mexico was one of seven U.S. Attorneys fired by the White House for their refusal to bring voter fraud prosecutions. "We took over 100 complaints," from the GOP, he told us, "We investigated for almost 2 years, I didn't find one prosecutable voter fraud case in the entire state of New Mexico."
Iglesias, a McCain supporter, has, for the first time, leveled a new and serious charge: Despite finding none of the 200 voters guilty, he says the White House nevertheless ordered him to illegally prosecute baseless cases against innocent citizens, just to gin up voter fraud publicity. His refusal, he says, cost him his job. "They were looking for politicized -- for improperly politicized US attorneys to file bogus voter fraud cases."
Read the rest of the article at HuffingtonPost.com (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-and-greg-palast/drinking-the-acorn-koolai_b_138390.html)

Greg Palast and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. are authors of an investigation of vote suppression in the current Rolling Stone, and a comic book voter guide, "Steal Back Your Vote (http://stealbackyourvote.org/)," both available for download at StealBackYourVote.org (http://www.stealbackyourvote.org/). (Show me more...) (http://www.gregpalast.com/drinking-the-kool-aid-how-cries-of-voter-fraud-cover-up-gop-elections-theft/#more-2146)

[PapiQueRico]

Please stop saying this is over. YOU ARE SCARING THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!! If this is the general attitude people are going to stay home and this could very well get close enough that it could matter. I'm hoping for at least 2% margins and at least 310 electoral votes to forestall legal challenges. We need for this to be over next Wednesday morning and to move on. The country can not stand a long protracted process settled in the courts.

[MyTio]

Since Obama is a way a head what are the odds on a friendly
bet for a soapy massage 6 to 1

[PapiQueRico]

...not to mention the post graduate work on twisting reality, overstating the irrelevant, ignoring the obvious and promoting the outrageous at the University of Fake News.

It's funny as hell to watch Keith Olberman goofing on "Bill-O the Clown" every night while he blows "Bill-O's" ratings numbers out of the water. Now O'Reilly is including the Nielson ratings system in his conspiracy theory. :rofl:

I was watching Faux to see some of these "hot" news ho's I've been hearing about and BAMM!!! up pops Greta Van Sustren :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I had to go take a Lapela!

I don't find many of these right wingnut talking heads much to look at, but there is one I'd love to spend a few pesos on, Michelle Malkin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAUyzKgMb1Y&feature=related

Of course i'd only want blow jobs. That way she couldn't speak!!!!:mrgreen:

[curiousdude]

I don't find many of these right wingnut talking heads much to look at, but there is one I'd love to spend a few pesos on, Michelle Malkin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAUyzKgMb1Y&feature=related

Of course i'd only want blow jobs. That way she couldn't speak!!!!:mrgreen:
She's got some pretty good lips - the ones on her face I mean. I bet she'd do a great blow job. And yes, that would be a much better use for that mouth of hers.

[MyTio]

http://i.spotted.augusta.com/user/1/zoom/624121.jpg (http://spotted.augusta.com/chronicle/display.html?gallery=28124&photo=624121&page=1)

[eldorob]

Barry should really take better care of his family before he tries saving the world...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081101/ap_on_el_pr/obama_aunt

AP: Obama aunt from Kenya living illegally in US
By EILEEN SULLIVAN and ELLIOT SPAGAT, Associated Press Writers Eileen Sullivan And Elliot Spagat, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON – Barack Obama's aunt, a Kenyan woman who has been quietly living in public housing in Boston, is in the United States illegally after an immigration judge rejected her request for asylum four years ago, The Associated Press has learned.
Zeituni Onyango (zay-TUHN on-YANG-oh), referred to as "Aunti Zeituni" in Obama's memoir, was instructed to leave the United States by a U.S. immigration judge who denied her asylum request, a person familiar with the matter told the AP late Friday. This person spoke on condition of anonymity because no one was authorized to discuss Onyango's case.
Information about the deportation case was disclosed and confirmed by two separate sources, one of them a federal law enforcement official. The information they made available is known to officials in the federal government, but the AP could not establish whether anyone at a political level in the Bush administration or in the McCain campaign had been involved in its release.
Onyango's refusal to leave the country would represent an administrative, noncriminal violation of immigration law, meaning such cases are handled outside the criminal court system. Estimates vary, but many experts believe there are more than 10 million such immigrants in the U.S.
The AP could not immediately reach Onyango, 56, for comment. When a reporter went to her home Friday night, no one answered the door. A neighbor said she was often not home on the weekend. Onyango did not immediately return telephone and written messages left at her home. It was unclear why her request for asylum was rejected in 2004.
The Obama campaign declined comment late Friday night.
Onyango is not a relative whom Obama has discussed in campaign appearances and, unlike Obama's father and grandmother, is not someone who has been part of the public discussion about his personal life.
A spokeswoman for U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, Kelly Nantel, said the government does not comment on an individual's citizenship status or immigration case.
Onyango's case — coming to light just days before the presidential election — led to an unusual nationwide directive within Immigrations and Customs Enforcement requiring that any deportations before Tuesday's election be approved at least at the level of the agency's regional directors, the U.S. law enforcement official told the AP.
The unusual directive suggests that the administration is sensitive to the political implications of Onyango's case coming to light so close to the election.
The East African nation has been fractured in violence in recent years, including a period of two months of bloodshed after December 2007 that killed 1,500 people.
The disclosure about Onyango came just one day after Obama's presidential campaign confirmed to the Times of London that Onyango, who has lived quietly in public housing in South Boston for five years, was Obama's father's half sister.
It was not immediately clear how Onyango might have qualified for public housing with a standing deportation order.
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Spagat reported from New York. Associated Press writer Rodrique Ngowi in Boston contributed to this report

[eldorob]

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ZOGBY: MCCAIN MOVES INTO LEAD 48-47 IN ONE DAY POLLING (http://www.zogby.com/main.htm)

ZOGBY SATURDAY: Republican John McCain has pulled back within the margin of error... The three-day average holds steady, but McCain outpolled Obama 48% to 47% in Friday, one day, polling. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all...

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[Tony Badabing]

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/6816490c5e39367d6.jpghttp://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/6816490c5ecf76f4b.jpg

ZOGBY: MCCAIN MOVES INTO LEAD 48-47 IN ONE DAY POLLING (http://www.zogby.com/main.htm)

ZOGBY SATURDAY: Republican John McCain has pulled back within the margin of error... The three-day average holds steady, but McCain outpolled Obama 48% to 47% in Friday, one day, polling. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all...

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That wouldn't happen to be sarah on the bed would it???????

[Kevy]

awww only 3 more days of mud slinging left.:o

[eldorob]

That wouldn't happen to be sarah on the bed would it???????

Yeah, after a little tanning...:corky:

Nah, just a little bonus pic

[Kevy]

The most shocking story I have seen yet about the US Election.

9eSJuWgZGYo


Never mind what Joe the plumber said, The republican propaganda machine, err, I mean Foxnews actually attacking the Republican prop:rofl:

[MyTio]

Barack Obama, the LA Times and the Video Tape

LA Times Refuses to Release Rashid Khalidi Video Tape





It took over four years for a secret tape to rock the Nixon Administration. A secret video tape has started to be a problem for Barack Obama (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1787/barack_obama_presidential_campaign.html) even before his potential election (http://www.associatedcontent.com/topic/31955/2008_presidential_election.html) as President. The difference is that this time the tape is being suppressed (http://www.nationalledger.com/ledgerdc/article_272623490.shtml) by the media.

The video tape in question is one that was taken of the now infamous farewell party for terrorism apologist Rashid Khalidi, which not only Barack and Michelle Obama attended, but also William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. The LA Times explains that it is refusing to release the tape because of a promise it made to the naturally unnamed source that provided it.

By all accounts, a video tape of the farewell party would be devastating for Barack Obama's chances at the Presidency. It would show the then Illinois State Senator listening attentively as speaker after speaker rose up to denounce the State of Israel in the most vicious ways imaginable. Then the future candidate himself rose up to praise the terrorism apologist and former PLO propagandist Rashid Khalidi as he was about to depart for his new post at Columbia University.

The effects of the release of the tape would be mind blowing. It would be similar to the audio tape, played over and over during the 2004 campaign cycle, of John Kerry speaking to a Senate Committee of the "Army of Genghis Khan" and accusing all Vietnam vets, including himself, of being war criminals. It would approach the effect of hearing Richard Nixon blurting out all of his secrets to a tape recorder during Watergate.

Could that be the real reason the LA Times is holding fast to the video tape? It claims otherwise, but as Hotair's Ed Morrissey suggests (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/29/politico-we-would-have-released-the-khalidi-tape/), the excuse raises more questions:

"That explanation raises more questions than it answers. If the Times promised to keep the videotape under wraps, then it must contain content other than their 'detailed account of the events.' What exactly did the LA Times leave out of its reporting in April? If it left nothing out, then what good was the promise :eek: :icontd:

[PapiQueRico]

Barack Obama, the LA Times and the Video Tape

LA Times Refuses to Release Rashid Khalidi Video Tape





It took over four years for a secret tape to rock the Nixon Administration. A secret video tape has started to be a problem for Barack Obama (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1787/barack_obama_presidential_campaign.html) even before his potential election (http://www.associatedcontent.com/topic/31955/2008_presidential_election.html) as President. The difference is that this time the tape is being suppressed (http://www.nationalledger.com/ledgerdc/article_272623490.shtml) by the media.

The video tape in question is one that was taken of the now infamous farewell party for terrorism apologist Rashid Khalidi, which not only Barack and Michelle Obama attended, but also William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. The LA Times explains that it is refusing to release the tape because of a promise it made to the naturally unnamed source that provided it.

By all accounts, a video tape of the farewell party would be devastating for Barack Obama's chances at the Presidency. It would show the then Illinois State Senator listening attentively as speaker after speaker rose up to denounce the State of Israel in the most vicious ways imaginable. Then the future candidate himself rose up to praise the terrorism apologist and former PLO propagandist Rashid Khalidi as he was about to depart for his new post at Columbia University.

The effects of the release of the tape would be mind blowing. It would be similar to the audio tape, played over and over during the 2004 campaign cycle, of John Kerry speaking to a Senate Committee of the "Army of Genghis Khan" and accusing all Vietnam vets, including himself, of being war criminals. It would approach the effect of hearing Richard Nixon blurting out all of his secrets to a tape recorder during Watergate.

Could that be the real reason the LA Times is holding fast to the video tape? It claims otherwise, but as Hotair's Ed Morrissey suggests (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/29/politico-we-would-have-released-the-khalidi-tape/), the excuse raises more questions:

"That explanation raises more questions than it answers. If the Times promised to keep the videotape under wraps, then it must contain content other than their 'detailed account of the events.' What exactly did the LA Times leave out of its reporting in April? If it left nothing out, then what good was the promise :eek: :icontd:


Rashid Khalidi......Rashid Khalidi.. shit that name sounds familiar. Rashid Khalidi, I just know I've heard that name before. Fuck, where was it???

Khalidi... I'm sure I've heard it before.

Oh yeah, now I remember. Rashid Khalidi, yeah. He's the guy the International Republican Institute gave half a million dollars to to help him with his work. Half a mil, not bad. Damn! Half a million dollars. And who was the chairman of the IRI when they gave Rashid Khalidi half a million dollars? Yeah, that's right...John McCain.

Seems like old Johnny boy has a much stronger connection to Mr. Khalidi than Barack Obama does. I wonder how you missed that Tio.

Just another load of shit from the right wingnuts of the world.

C'ya Tuesday evening!

[eldorob]

http://www.breitbart.com/images/common/dot.gifMurdoch says Obama win could worsen financial crisis: http://www.breitbart.com/images/common/dot.gifNov 1 12:12 AM US/Eastern
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(http://www.breitbart.com/image.php?id=iafp081101041202.azy6f08jp0&show_article=1&article_id=081101041202.azy6f08j)
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081101041202.azy6f08j&show_article=1


http://www.breitbart.com/images/common/dot.gifGlobal media ty**** Rupert Murdoch (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Rupert%20Murdoch&sid=breitbart.com) has warned that a win by Democratic hopeful Barack Obama (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Barack%20Obama&sid=breitbart.com) in next week's US election could worsen the world financial crisis, a report said Saturday.
In an interview with The Weekend Australian, owned by Murdoch's News Corporation, the newsman said if the Democrats implemented protectionist policies it would be "a real setback for globalisation".
Murdoch said he did not know whether an Obama administration would deliver on all the Democrats' stated policies, saying "presidents don't often behave exactly as the campaign might have suggested."
But he warned that an increase in protectionism in the US as suggested by some Democrats in Congress, would risk retaliation from China and could threaten world trade.
"For the past three or four years, some Democrats have been threatening to do things like put on extra tariffs (against Chinese imports) if they don't change their currency," Murdoch said.
"If it happened, it could set off retaliatory action which would certainly damage the world economy seriously."
The Australian-born mogul, who controls media interests around the world, also criticised Obama's proposed tax policies which include granting rebates to most US workers.
"Forty percent (of the US population) don't pay taxes, so how can he give them a tax cut?" he said.
"But you can give them a welfare cheque which he has promised -- a grant of 500 dollars -- which will disappear very fast. It's not going to turn the economy around at all."
Murdoch, who is in Australia to deliver a series of lectures, rejected the suggestion that the ousting of a Republican administration (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Republican%20administration&sid=breitbart.com) in the US would be a circuit breaker (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=circuit%20breaker&sid=breitbart.com) which automatically boosted financial markets.
"To some extent it is beyond the power of politicians," he said of the current crisis.
"You are going to find that the politicians are very limited in what they can do: they can make it worse but they can't stop it."
Murdoch said Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd had been "sure-footed" in handling the crisis, deflecting criticism that the centre-left Labor leader had been too quick to offer a blanket guarantee on bank deposits. (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=bank%20deposits&sid=breitbart.com) But Murdoch said all politicians should be careful not to worsen the situation by "alarming people more than they should be alarmed".
Copyright AFP 2008, AFP stories and photos shall not be published, broadcast, rewritten for broadcast or publication or redistributed directly or indirectly in any medium

[PapiQueRico]

I'll take my economic advise from Warren Buffet and Paul Volker over Mr. Murdoch, thank you.

[MyTio]

Rashid Khalidi......Rashid Khalidi.. shit that name sounds familiar. Rashid Khalidi, I just know I've heard that name before. Fuck, where was it???

Khalidi... I'm sure I've heard it before.

Oh yeah, now I remember. Rashid Khalidi, yeah. He's the guy the International Republican Institute gave half a million dollars to to help him with his work. Half a mil, not bad. Damn! Half a million dollars. And who was the chairman of the IRI when they gave Rashid Khalidi half a million dollars? Yeah, that's right...John McCain.

Seems like old Johnny boy has a much stronger connection to Mr. Khalidi than Barack Obama does. I wonder how you missed that Tio.

Just another load of shit from the right wingnuts of the world.

C'ya Tuesday evening! Ok you are correct on McCain now can we see the tape if not why ?????

[curiousdude]

http://www.breitbart.com/images/common/dot.gifMurdoch says Obama win could worsen financial crisis: http://www.breitbart.com/images/common/dot.gifNov 1 12:12 AM US/Eastern
http://img.breitbart.com/images/2008/10/31/081101041202.azy6f08j/CPS.OBS99.011108050808.photo00.quicklook.default-167x245.jpg

(http://www.breitbart.com/image.php?id=iafp081101041202.azy6f08jp0&show_article=1&article_id=081101041202.azy6f08j)

Oh, gee, the owner of Fox agrees with Fox. Imagine that?

[PapiQueRico]

Ok you are correct on McCain now can we see the tape if not why ?????

The LA Times has already answered that question. If you don't like their answer then don't buy the paper. That's your right!

The question that comes to mind is, if the LA Times were protecting Obama then why did they publish an article about the party in the first place?

[MyTio]

The LA Times has already answered that question. If you don't like their answer then don't buy the paper. That's your right!

The question that comes to mind is, if the LA Times were protecting Obama then why did they publish an article about the party in the first place? I do not belive them they are hiding the truth open your eye . :eek:

[PapiQueRico]

Rick Davis plays Bahgdad Bob!!!


Obama is running out of states if you follow out a traditional model. Today, he expanded his buy into North Dakota, Georgia and Arizona in an attempt to widen the playing field and find his 270 electoral votes. This is a very tall order and trying to expand into new states in the final hours shows he doesn't have the votes to win.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MyTio]

Rick Davis plays Bahgdad Bob!!!


Obama is running out of states if you follow out a traditional model. Today, he expanded his buy into North Dakota, Georgia and Arizona in an attempt to widen the playing field and find his 270 electoral votes. This is a very tall order and trying to expand into new states in the final hours shows he doesn't have the votes to win.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Mr. Obama's February 2007 pledge to accept public financing -- and the spending limits that accompany it -- if he went on to the general election and his Republican counterpart likewise accepted public financing. He lied to the American people and now has cash to burn first time since 1970:eek: :icontd:
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[Dr.Kush]

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[curiousdude]

The first two episodes of Hustler's porn parody "Who's Nailin' Paylin" is available now, with more to follow tomorrow:
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[PapiQueRico]

[quote=uncle226;524027]Mr. Obama's February 2007 pledge to accept public financing -- and the spending limits that accompany it -- if he went on to the general election and his Republican counterpart likewise accepted public financing. He lied to the American people and now has cash to burn first time since 1970:eek: :icontd:
quote]

This is not an honest representation of what happened. Obama said he would discuss this issue with the Republican nominee. He said that if they could come to an agreement which took into account the money going to the parties national commitiees and the 527 groups he would accept public financing.

Twist away. Misinformation has been the base of the McCain campaign all year. I wouldn't expect that to change now.

[eldorob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOFEdFpGF8I

[eldorob]

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By Fredreka Schouten (http://www.usatoday.com/community/tags/reporter.aspx?id=212), USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Democrat Barack Obama's decision to walk away from more than $84 million in taxpayer money for the general election signals trouble for a system created to limit the influence of special interests, experts say.
Obama on Thursday set aside an early promise to use public funds for the fall and became the first presidential nominee to bypass the system since it was created in 1976 after the Watergate scandal.

OBAMA COLUMN: Read his Feb. stance on public financing (http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/02/opposing-view-3.html)
Q&A: Details on Obama's public funding opt-out (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-19-opt-out-qa_N.htm)

Republican John McCain will accept public funding for the fall campaign. He applied for the money for the primaries, but did not use it.
"We've known for some time that the public-financing system was on the verge of breaking," said Richard Hasen, a campaign-finance expert at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "Now that the first major party candidate has opted out of it, it shows that is broken."
Hasen and Anthony Corrado, who teaches at Colby College in Maine, note that campaign-finance laws limiting contributions and setting levels for public money have not kept pace with the high costs of TV advertising and other expenses for a White House bid.
"It's outdated, and it's inadequate," Corrado said.
POLITICS BLOG: McCain camp slams Obama decision (http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/06/obama-opts-out.html)

Obama's top campaign aides said the Illinois senator is forgoing taxpayer money because McCain has been raising general-election funds since March, when the Arizona senator clinched his party's nomination. Obama clinched on June 3.
In a video statement, Obama said his decision was prompted by the ability of party committees, outside groups and wealthy individuals to influence the election with their own spending.
"It was not an easy decision, especially because I support a robust system of public financing of elections," he said. "We face opponents who have become masters at gaming this broken system."
McCain, speaking to reporters from Iowa, said the fact that Obama was "not even willing to keep" a campaign promise "should be disturbing to all Americans."
Obama and McCain both pledged last year that they would accept taxpayer money for the general election if his opponent would do the same. Obama began stepping away from that as the primaries got underway and he shattered fundraising records. In a Feb. 20 column in USA TODAY, Obama said he would keep his pledge only if McCain also agreed to limit spending by political parties and refuse fundraising help from outside groups.
"Unlike Barack Obama, John McCain believes in keeping his word to the American people, and he will undergo public financing for the general election," spokesman Tucker Bounds said.
Obama has tapped more than 1.5 million donors and used the Internet extensively to bring in new ones. At the end of April, Obama had nearly a 3-to-1 advantage over McCain in fundraising.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the campaign would continue to cultivate "grass-roots" donors, but it has already stepped up its efforts with high-dollar donors.
The Democratic National Committee has not done as well as Obama in raising money and has less cash to spend than its GOP counterpart. The national party committees can underwrite ads and pay for crucial get-out-the-vote efforts.
Taxpayers can contribute to a fund that pays for presidential campaigns by donating $3 through a check-off box on their tax returns. Fewer than 10% of taxpayers do so each year. A record 29% did in 1980.
When top candidates opt out, taxpayers sometimes end up paying for the campaign expenses of lesser-known candidates or those who have trouble keeping pace with prolific fundraisers. The Federal Election Commission has paid out nearly $13.5 million this year, including $8.8 million to Democrat John Edwards and $100,000 to Republican Duncan Hunter.
Legislation is pending in Congress to raise taxpayer donations to $10 and increase the amount candidates receive in public money.

[Kevy]

The first two episodes of Hustler's porn parody "Who's Nailin' Paylin" is available now, with more to follow tomorrow:
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Best post of the entire thread, finally someone gets it!:)

[whynotme]

Best post of the entire thread, finally someone gets it!:)
and gets and gets and gets it;)

[MyTio]

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/3486490dea33a1f69.jpg

[PapiQueRico]

Predictions from the Stephanopoulos show on ABC this morning. Paricularly interesting is the conservative George Will.

Will we have an early night on Tuesday????????

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2008/11/predictions-ele.html

[MyTio]

Obama is likely going to win but I will bet the next four years many of you that voted for him will regret it he will ruin what is left of the economy do nothing significant on energy and he will get us in a new war . :icontd: I hope I am wrong

[Hemp]

I think it will be quite the opposite! Like cat daddy Bill Clinton said...Now its a PERFECT time for Obama or Mccain to take the high seat. The country is in such ruin that even the slightest turn around would be considered a successfull administration.

But i will say that alot of the Obama critics are correct when they said when he is president and we have a democratic house, ACCOUNTABILITY WILL BE EVERYTHING.

Now that we will be in the Pilot's seat....what we gonna do wit it!?!?



Obama is likely going to win but I will bet the next four years many of you that voted for him will regret it he will ruin what is left of the economy do nothing significant on energy and he will get us in a new war . :icontd: I hope I am wrong

[milldam]

Obama is likely going to win but I will bet the next four years many of you that voted for him will regret it he will ruin what is left of the economy do nothing significant on energy and he will get us in a new war . :icontd: I hope I am wrong







He couldn`t be any any worse than the last 8 years have been from that dumbass Bush.

[MyTio]

Hemp we will see what the next 4 year brings the democratic will have control of the two house of Congress and it looks like the white house like I said I hope I am wrong :eek:

[moshy2k]

I think the cat is out of the bag on Palin. She is eyeing 2012 for her run.

You guys have got to listen to the prank call she got. They have been playing it on CNN. Palin's handlers should all be fired. Goes to show how well she knows other world leaders lol. I guess she thinks Obama will be president for 8 years lol.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-11-01-palin-prank_N.htm

[PapiQueRico]

The funniest part of the prank tape is when Palin first gets on the phone and let's out that slutty, flirty hellllooooo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fqyQ9Av-Ks

[Gladiator]

The funniest part of the prank tape is when Palin first gets on the phone and let's out that slutty, flirty hellllooooo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fqyQ9Av-Ks

Looks like she was excited that a world leader had actually bothered to call her... :rofl:

Just one more embarrasement...

[Hemp]

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/t/6/2/obama_matrix.jpg

No worries.....Obama is THE ONE!



Hemp we will see what the next 4 year brings the democratic will have control of the two house of Congress and it looks like the white house like I said I hope I am wrong :eek:

[JuanElGriego]

The funniest part of the prank tape is when Palin first gets on the phone and let's out that slutty, flirty hellllooooo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fqyQ9Av-Ks

That has to be one of the worst fake-French accents i've ever heard.

Unbelievable.

[curiousdude]

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Best post of the entire thread, finally someone gets it!:)

[knotty]

Obama is likely going to win but I will bet the next four years many of you that voted for him will regret it he will ruin what is left of the economy do nothing significant on energy and he will get us in a new war . :icontd: I hope I am wrong
weren't you the same guy that betted that there was no way for this man to win tomorrow. I think you said to remember that comment. you seem to be eating your own words and didn't you make the same bet that 3some did? Man, I tell you there are some bitter Republicans on this board. I can see the anger in your words.

[eldorob]

It's not anger...it's fear

[milldam]

It's not anger...it's fear




Now you know how the rest of us have felt the last 8 years.

[eldorob]

Now you know how the rest of us have felt the last 8 years.

Yeah Ok, and this is a great time to talk about "spreading the wealth around"

and "so if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.
"

and "When I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know, under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket."

All his words...

He's not making the American Business Leaders feel all warm and fuzzy with his comments.

Barack Barry Hussein Obama is the worst kind of tax & spend Lib this country has ever seen. And he's a terrorist hugging, Israel hating, baby killing, Hamas apologist as well. It just doesn't get any worse.

[curiousdude]

Barack Barry Hussein Obama is the worst kind of tax & spend Lib this country has ever seen....
Reagan and the current Bush were taxcutting (for the rich) and big spending Republicans who promised to be fiscally responsible and cut spending, but in fact Reagan only cut spending that would hurt the labor unions and the poor while massively increasing war spending and later raising taxes himself, and the current Bush has just kept spending on everything like there is no tomorrow while cutting taxes in a way that mostly benefits the wealthy. Poppa Bush and Clinton were the relatively moderate, sane ones - Poppa Bush after promising not to raise taxes ("read my lips") found he had to do so, and Clinton after promising a middle class tax cut found he coudn't do it either. They all, in their own ways, broke their campaign "promises."

But Poppa Bush and Clinton, the more "liberal" of the Presidents we've had since 1980, were the most fiscally responsible. Your McCain sounds a lot like the current Bush and Reagan. Judging by what he has been saying (which of course we can't completely rely on), he will keep up the crazy war spending of the current Bush and make permanent unsustainable tax cuts for the rich, which do NOT and will not stimulate job creation (just like Reagan's tax cuts for the rich cannot be proved to have stimulated the economy back in the early 1980s). I think McCain or Obama will eventually have to oversee a tax raise before the end of his first term in office, and I doubt their approaches will be so different as the heated rhetoric on both sides would suggest.

It's really a matter of priorities, fairness, and also both whether you think more of the tax burden should be shifted back to the rich and whether making the tax code slightly more progressive would be good for the economy. With the loopholes in the tax code, corporations and the wealthy have among the lowest tax rates in the developed world. Net taxes on a macro level - federal, state and local - have become more regressive over the last few decades. The middle class is feeling that, and the Republicans are pretending they are the solution while actually being the problem, as they work for the few who benefit from regressive tax policies.

Maybe tax increases will not be coming for a while, as the financial powers that be try to get us out of this recession. But tax increases eventually will indeed be coming, whether McCain or Obama becomes President, and no matter what anyone may (or may not) say right now. The question then becomes who pays, and how much. I'd rather have someone (Obama) who represents the people in addition to the wealthy and the megacorporations and banks, rather than someone who represents only the wealthy, megacorporations and banks, but sometimes pays lip service to the lunatic fringe right (McCain). And perhaps we will at least reduce some of the wasteful war spending under Obama.

Either way, someone will have to sort out the fucked-up mess that Bush, the neocon war establishment, and his greedy Wall Street friends have gotten us into. I'm personally very glad that it appears that person will be Obama.

[leeway99]

Yeah Ok, and this is a great time to talk about "spreading the wealth around"

and "so if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.
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and "When I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know, under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket."

All his words...

He's not making the American Business Leaders feel all warm and fuzzy with his comments.

Barack Barry Hussein Obama is the worst kind of tax & spend Lib this country has ever seen. And he's a terrorist hugging, Israel hating, baby killing, Hamas apologist as well. It just doesn't get any worse.

And this is coming from a "REAL American" http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/images/posticons/thumbdown.gif (Sad)

[SJG]

Yeah Ok, and this is a great time to talk about "spreading the wealth around"

and "so if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted.
"

and "When I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know, under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket."

All his words...

He's not making the American Business Leaders feel all warm and fuzzy with his comments.

Barack Barry Hussein Obama is the worst kind of tax & spend Lib this country has ever seen. And he's a terrorist hugging, Israel hating, baby killing, Hamas apologist as well. It just doesn't get any worse.

Once again, Republican lies, distortions, and sheep-like talking points...


McCain campaign’s last minute distortion of Obama’s coal record an act of desperation (http://www.umwa.org/index.php?q=news/mccain-campaign’s-last-minute-distortion-obama’s-coal-record-act-desperation)

Lies, Half Truths and Contradictions: Chronicle ''Hidden'' Audio on Obama (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=32228)

[PapiQueRico]

It's not anger...it's fear

Why would ths bother you?

Inciting fear has been the Bush administrations M.O. from the begining.

[PapiQueRico]

Here's how I plan to spend tomorrow night.

I picked up a bottle of Tequilla. I figure one shot for every red state Obama wins, and another for each time a Dem beats Republican senate seat. Should keep me warm inside!

[PapiQueRico]

Maybe it's my age, or maybe it's that I was always a Simon and Garfunkle fan, but this is about the best political ad I've seen this year.

Subtle, understated but to the point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbuLchsauKs

[Revolutionrock77]

McCain Cartoons:

Here is a good warning against the realities of "spreading the wealth around":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtEP3ROE4zw

[Cheeno]

Here's how I plan to spend tomorrow night.

I picked up a bottle of Tequilla. I figure one shot for every red state Obama wins, and another for each time a Dem beats Republican senate seat. Should keep me warm inside!


Hey PapiQueRico :biggrin:

I soooooooooo want to make a New York Yankees-related reply to your quote. But I will not my dear good friend!!! :wink: :)

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Tomorrow is finally the day.

[Revolutionrock77]

MY favorite Election 08 video might have been this one with Sarah Silverman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgHHX9R4Qtk