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yayow
03-22-2009, 10:29 PM
Another tragedy this time in Montana:


Fourth major airline crash in the U.S. in the last 3 months!!!

BUTTE, Mont. – A small plane — possibly carrying children on a ski trip — crashed Sunday as it approached the Butte airport, killing 14 to 17 people aboard, a federal official said. The single engine turboprop nose-dived into a cemetery 500 feet from its destination.
The aircraft crashed and burned while attempting to land, said Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Mike Fergus. The plane crashed in Holy Cross Cemetery.
An investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board offered few details at a press conference in Butte Sunday night. No cause of the crash was given.
"We are just beginning our investigation," said Kristi Dunks. "We don't have a lot of information at this time.
"Certain family members were contacted," she said. "At this point, I don't have an exact number."
The aircraft had departed from Oroville, Calif., and the pilot had filed a flight plan showing a destination of Bozeman, about 85 miles southeast of Butte. But the pilot canceled his flight plan at some point and headed for Butte, Fergus said.
Preliminary reports indicate the dead include numerous children, he said. There were no known fatalities on the ground, he added.
"We think that it was probably a ski trip for the kids," Fergus said.
Martha and Steve Guidoni, who were at a gas station across from the cemetery, told the Standard that the plane "just nose-dived into the ground."
"My husband went over there to see if he could do anything," Martha Guidoni said.
Fergus said the Pilatus PC-12 aircraft was manufactured in 2001. Such planes are certified to carry 12 people.
The plane was registered to Eagle Cap Leasing Inc. in Enterprise, Ore., Fergus said. He didn't know who was operating the plane.
I. Felkamp is listed in Oregon corporate records as Eagle Cap's president. Attempts to reach him by phone were unsuccessful.
The flight originated at Brown Field Municipal airport in San Diego on Saturday evening and flew to Redlands, Calif., where it left Sunday morning for Vacaville, Calif., according to Flight Aware, a Web site that tracks air traffic. From there it flew to Oroville, Calif., and then to Butte. The NTSB could not confirm that information.
"We are still gathering the information of the aircraft, it's purpose, what they were doing and where they were going," Dunks said.
In California, Tom Hagler said he saw a group of about a dozen children and four adults Sunday morning at the Oroville Municipal Airport, about 70 miles north of Sacramento.
Hagler, owner of Table Mountain Aviation, described the children as ranging from about 6- to 10 year olds. He let the children into his building to use the restroom.

"There were a lot of kids in the group," he said. "A lot of really cute kids."
Hagler said he showed the pilot where he could fuel his plane, and the pilot said he expected his flight to take two-and-a-half hours. The pilot didn't file a flight plan at the Oroville airport.
National Transportation Safety Board spokesman Keith Holloway said its investigators were expected to arrive in Butte late Sunday or early Monday.
The crash is the fourth major plane accident in the U.S. in slightly more than three months.
On Dec. 20, Continental Airlines plane veered off a runway and slid into a snowy field at Denver International Airport, injuring 37 people. No one was killed. In January, a US Airways jetliner landed in New York's Hudson River after a flock of geese disabled both its engines. All 155 people onboard survived. Last month, commuter plane fell on a house in a suburb of Buffalo, N.Y., killing all 49 passengers and a man in the home. Before the Buffalo crash there hadn't been an accident involving a commercial airliner in the U.S. in which there were fatalities in more than two years.

carolinajack
03-23-2009, 12:40 AM
Prayers to those families...

...but this crash echoes something I mentioned on my last trip back from the DR.

When I landed in POP - as always the plane exploded with cheers, applause, and whistling.

Landing back in NY - nada - I started clapping and few others joined in.

I admire the celebration of life most Dominicans have - in all things great and small, tragic and triumphant...we on the other hand, in our self absorbed overly complicated lives, take landing safely after flying thousands of miles - thousands of feet in the air - as routine, ho-hum..."hope they didn't lose my luggage."

There is something truly fucked up about the American mindset.

yayow
03-23-2009, 01:20 AM
Very true C.J. we do at times take things for granted and don't take time out to smell the roses. And be thankful for the things we have. Often we don't realize the things we have to be thankful for until it is too late, and I am thankful to be down in D.R. and see the spirit and celebration of life that you have described on a daily basis. It is amazing that sometimes those who have the least are the ones who are most thankful for what they have.

As you said all our prayers should go out to those families as they try to deal with this tragedy, especially due to the number of small children who lost their lives.

BlueDevil
03-23-2009, 05:11 AM
Prayers to those families...

...but this crash echoes something I mentioned on my last trip back from the DR.

When I landed in POP - as always the plane exploded with cheers, applause, and whistling.

Landing back in NY - nada - I started clapping and few others joined in.

I admire the celebration of life most Dominicans have - in all things great and small, tragic and triumphant...we on the other hand, in our self absorbed overly complicated lives, take landing safely after flying thousands of miles - thousands of feet in the air - as routine, ho-hum..."hope they didn't lose my luggage."

There is something truly fucked up about the American mindset.

Gringos bring their own brand of stress wherever they go in the world. :protest: We could learn a thing or two from the latinos about "celebrating life."

3somefan
03-23-2009, 07:31 AM
Add another plane to this list. A FedX cargo plane crashed at a airport in Japan this morning!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090323/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_crash

yayow
03-23-2009, 08:20 AM
I don't know what's going on?? Why all of a sudden so many crashes, (although in reality still a small number compared to the number of planes in the air everyday), especially in the U.S., it used to be very rare in the U.S. to have a crash, but it's not so rare all of a sudden, unfortunately.

I personally love to fly, I find it very relaxing, shucks when I lived in NY, and wanted to visit relatives in the D.C. area, there was a time that I would prefer to go to Laguardia and hop the shuttle and rent a car in D.C. rather than drive down there in my own car.

3somefan
03-23-2009, 07:01 PM
I don't know what's going on?? Why all of a sudden so many crashes, (although in reality still a small number compared to the number of planes in the air everyday), especially in the U.S., it used to be very rare in the U.S. to have a crash, but it's not so rare all of a sudden, unfortunately.

I personally love to fly, I find it very relaxing, shucks when I lived in NY, and wanted to visit relatives in the D.C. area, there was a time that I would prefer to go to Laguardia and hop the shuttle and rent a car in D.C. rather than drive down there in my own car.

I am not sure the reason for this sudden jump in airplane crashes?? But I have noticed it also, and it has made me think twice a bit about flying. However, no 2nd thoughts of getting on one and going to Hawaii. :p

Hemp
03-23-2009, 08:20 PM
I HATE flying!!! Im sitting there for the length of the flight in total fear...i wish there were other modes of transport that could get us places as fast as planes could.

And whats with the seat belt on planes???? Like if the plane takes a nose dive from 20,000 feet the seat belt will save me some how?

yayow
03-23-2009, 09:38 PM
I HATE flying!!! Im sitting there for the length of the flight in total fear...i wish there were other modes of transport that could get us places as fast as planes could.

And whats with the seat belt on planes???? Like if the plane takes a nose dive from 20,000 feet the seat belt will save me some how?


Her you go Hemp, your next mode of transportation, the flying car, only about $190,000 or so, merely pittance for a man of your style.;)

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JD426
03-23-2009, 10:08 PM
Gringos bring their own brand of stress wherever they go in the world. :protest: We could learn a thing or two from the latinos about "celebrating life."


Yeagh, that’s one of my favorite things about going to the DR. I've never been to any other Latin countries but Im sure it’s the same .
The eruption of applause and how happy they are to be back in their homeland again, wether on vacation just like us, or to visit with relatives ,or even on business. They are not embarassed to show their childlike happiness .It is really quite contagious, in a very good way. I wish some of that would rub off on Americans. You really can't find a friendlier bunch of people on a plane flight than Dominicans.
Im sure a small part of it is kind of a status thing too though, you know . Because if you can afford to fly back and forth from NY to DR as a Dominican national, you are doing OK for yoursef.

Dick Dawson
03-23-2009, 11:08 PM
And whats with the seat belt on planes???? Like if the plane takes a nose dive from 20,000 feet the seat belt will save me some how?

They'll help if the plane dips a few dozen (or hundred) feet rapidly due to turbulence so you don't wind up on the ceiling.

Hemp
03-24-2009, 07:54 AM
from all the articles of the recent plane crash, with the exception of the US airways flight that landed in the hudson, they all seem to involve the captain doing something he wasnt supposed to do, or the air traffic controllers found it odd. the most recent crash the Captain flew off coarse during the flight for some reason if i heard on the news correctly. The one in Buffalo the Captain decided to fly low in an ice storm on auto pilot :confused:



Her you go Hemp, your next mode of transportation, the flying car, only about $190,000 or so, merely pittance for a man of your style.;)

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