View Full Version : Isoc boycott off the Sosua by the Sea ?
vagabond
02-24-2005, 10:58 PM
The owner of the Sosua By the Sea has written his opinion of us and the Sosua Chicas on DR1. I hope all Isoc members will stay away from his business, and that Jimmy will exclude every member going there from the board.
Here is what he wrote>
· #27 Yesterday, 04:55 PM
SosuaJoe
Bronze Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2
From another thread...
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Posted on another thread, but since it applies to this one...
Greetings all!
Been lurking around the forum for quite some time, but never felt compelled to post. Hope no one minds if I sound off on this topic.
There's been a large movement on the part of the business community to finally get something done with regards to the prostitution issue in Sosua and Cabarete.
Basically, it comes down to deciding what sort of a tourist destination we want for Sosua and then taking the steps necessary to move in that direction. Aside from the few bars who live off prostitution, in whose interest is it to have such an open, flagrant prostitution business as recently existed in Sosua?
The ai's do care, because whatever affects the destination affects us. Aside from the moral obligation a business has to confront problems affecting our community, if my guests can't walk the streets without being accosted (or approached, if you prefer) by prostitutes, they won't walk the streets. Restaurants and pubs complain that ai is killing the town, but the truth is quite simple: our guests eat and drink for free at my resort -- it's an expense for me to have them consume on-site. I would therefore much prefer they go elsewhere to dine, drink and party. But if all they see on their way to a restaurant or bar is prostitution, what image will they take back home with them?
More importantly, the reputation that Sosua has (and Cabarete will have if they're not careful) is extremely damaging to the economy. It cheapens the destination, therefore driving down prices and occupancy. There was a time when there were many, many more hotels in town than there are now, and all of them full to the rafters. You couldn't throw a rock in this town without hitting a nightclub, and they were all rocking. Then the prostitution took over. Fine, one can argue that prostitution was not the only reason the town slowed down, but no one can argue that it wasn't a contributing factor.
Sex tourism is a miniscule part of the whole tourism market, but where sex tourism is dominent (or even prevalent), other sorts of tourism die. A simple example: Two people visit a destination. One likes prostitution, one doesn't. When they get home, the one who doesn't go in for open prostitution tells all his friends not to come, as it's so infested with it. The one who likes this sort of prostitution goes home and tells all his friends to go for the cheap prostitution heaven. What happens after a few years of this?
It is also well-known that sex tourism is an extremely cheap tourism (even relatively speaking). Why would we cater to that when we can have a much more lucritive and abundant market?
Ask around the business community about what prostitution has done and is doing to the town, and what benefits we would enjoy if we could control and reduce it. Ask a real estate agent what it would do for the value of properties and businesses. Ask a hotelier (one who doesn't allow prostitutes, of course) or a restauranteur. Or anyone who deals with tourism for that matter.
Better yet, as the parents of the kids who go to school at the Hess academy on Pedro Clisante what they think of that street and what's going on just steps from where their children go to school.
No one is saying that prostitution can be eliminated, but if we don't get serious about controlling it, we won't have much of a town left. And the prostitutes? They'll just move on to Cabarete, or Bayahibe, or Samana or wherever.
I understand that occasionally someone who isn't a prostitute might get picked up in a 'redada'. That's unfortunate and I can understand their frustration. But even the most indignant innocent person has to admit that better a very few get inconvenienced than that we allow the situation to continue unchecked. I dare say that losing one's job because there isn't enough tourism (or enough of the right kind of tourism) to sustain your wage would be the much larger inconvenience, and that inconvenience has been much more widespread these last years. How much better off would the town of Sosua be today had the authorities (not just the police) gotten serious years ago with the prostitution problem?
In every tourist destination in the world there exists prostitution. The difference is that most destinations control the problem. Go to Amsterdam, famous for the redlight district -- you can walk the streets two blocks away without being accosted. Even Bankok is cracking down on the sex trade these past five years. Are we to be the only ones in the world to allow working girls to walk the street simply because we don't want our police to ruffle feathers?
Apologies if I've gone on, but it's not as simple as some people would like to think -- that the police are just out to make a few thousand pesos. The police, finally, are doing their part (or at least part of their part) to confront a problem with serious social and economic ramifications. I for one support their recent efforts, distasteful as many might find them, and hope this is indicative of a change in the thinking of those in decision-making positions.
Tonto4
02-25-2005, 06:34 AM
Whoa that's scary. The money people are always going to be on the side of closing down the chicas. There like these idiots who get a "cheap" house in the ghetto, then are always calling the the police and writing in the papers about the "crime" problem. Well duuuuuhhhh? This ain't Kansas anymore. :evil:
Where does it mention the I.S.O.C.? I missed that part.
Whoa that's scary. The money people are always going to be on the side of closing down the chicas. There like these idiots who get a "cheap" house in the ghetto, then are always calling the the police and writing in the papers about the "crime" problem. Well duuuuuhhhh? This ain't Kansas anymore. :evil:
Those with power know where they get feed.
vagabond
02-25-2005, 09:01 AM
Where does it mention the I.S.O.C.? I missed that part.
He dosen't mentioned the ISOC, he probably don't know what it is. But i consider all he is writing as an attack on all of uss here, our lifestyle, and on the girls we are with. Therefore I really think everybody here, and ISOC officially should boykott his hotel.
Where does it mention the I.S.O.C.? I missed that part.
He dosen't mentioned the ISOC, he probably don't know what it is. But i consider all he is writing as an attack on all of uss here, our lifestyle, and on the girls we are with. Therefore I really think everybody here, and ISOC officially should boykott his hotel.
That won't effect him. Many times he is sold out. We have no effect on him at all.
vagabond
02-25-2005, 09:23 AM
Yes, I know Jimmy. I thought just for the principle.
Yes, I know Jimmy. I thought just for the principle.
He really is nothing there. A 70 room hotel. The Big AIs are 500 plus rooms.
Sosua may change. It doesn't need to be in your face putas. Discreet picking up girls in the bars is just fine by me. :twisted:
Sosua may change. It doesn't need to be in your face putas. Discreet picking up girls in the bars is just fine by me. :twisted:
One day, we as a whole will spend Millions per year there. Look at Vegas, thats in your face.
freakaccident
02-25-2005, 11:13 AM
Who cares. He cant do shit but run his dick sucker.
psriches
02-25-2005, 06:05 PM
Is this guy kidding? Who the fuck travels that far with girlfriend/family to vacation in Sosua?? Give me a fucking break!! He should be glad we are there...... If i had 20 choices on my list for a legit vacation, Sosua would be #40... The majority of the families that stay in Sosua think they were booked to stay in Puerto Plata but because they wanted the cheaper rate, they were sent to his shit hotel. Trust me, not many husbands says, "hey honey, let's vacation in Sosua"... This guy should be happy that his 70 bullshit room hotel is always packed. There will always be at least 70 cheap asses anywhere. PLEASE :evil:
Mister NYC
02-25-2005, 06:45 PM
Every time I go I see more and more of "us" on the streets of Sosua than the "couple" type or "families". I blame 90% of the prostitution trade on these fuck'n business owners who pay next to nothing to there employees and who clearly have no interest in the local people and rather focus on the money making end of it... there right I guess, but there business decisions do have consequences. What's a chica to do? Work 9-5 Monday thru Saturday and make 3,000-4,000 pesos a month while there electric bill and rent alone is close to or more than 5,000 pesos? There is food, transportation, and then some left to pay for every month.
I have little to no respect for most of the business owners down there. Most of them don't do a damn thing to improve the economic and social crisis at hand.
Just my 2 pesos worth...
psriches
02-25-2005, 06:56 PM
A very valuable two pesos!!! :wink:
Fuck those miserable AI's.
passasabe
02-25-2005, 11:40 PM
Is there a listing of Sosua businesses listed somewhere on this website that ISOC members should not spend money at?
BigTrick
02-26-2005, 03:43 AM
This guy is a fucking fag. Mongers don't stay at Sosua by the Sea cause guest aren't allowed. He's pissed cause he can't make money off of us. Prosotustion is a major part of the DR economy. If it wasn't for bigtricks like myself, half the kids on that island would starve.
gmalet
02-26-2005, 04:14 AM
I just got back this evening and right next door to Sosua by the Sea is the Casa Marina and this place is Chica Friendly and is alot bigger than Sosua by the Sea. Also I talked to one of the security guards at Sosua by the Sea and he stated to me that he will let Chicas in after Midnight but they have to leave at 2 am. So Fuck the Manager at Sosua by the sea.....
Is there a listing of Sosua businesses listed somewhere on this website that ISOC members should not spend money at?
Nope, just one now. :D
I just got back this evening and right next door to Sosua by the Sea is the Casa Marina and this place is Chica Friendly and is alot bigger than Sosua by the Sea. Also I talked to one of the security guards at Sosua by the Sea and he stated to me that he will let Chicas in after Midnight but they have to leave at 2 am. So Fuck the Manager at Sosua by the sea.....
In after midnight out by 2am. That sucks.
This guy is a fucking fag. Mongers don't stay at Sosua by the Sea cause guest aren't allowed. He's pissed cause he can't make money off of us. Prosotustion is a major part of the DR economy. If it wasn't for bigtricks like myself, half the kids on that island would starve.
Nope 75%
Maybe we should send him a 1,000 e mails requesting a room and asking if whores are allowed in. :twisted:
gmalet
02-26-2005, 08:03 AM
I have to tell you when I walked by Sosua by the Sea it seems he has worse problems than he thinks. Since he does not allow Pretty Chicas in the hotel he has 60 yr old wrinkled up Hatian women in the alley of his building waving tourists in the alley for BJ's.
I have to tell you when I walked by Sosua by the Sea it seems he has worse problems than he thinks. Since he does not allow Pretty Chicas in the hotel he has 60 yr old wrinkled up Hatian women in the alley of his building waving tourists in the alley for BJ's.
Its a nice hotel, but two years from now when Sosua id BOOMING because of us he won't have any repeat customers.
Reel Deal
02-26-2005, 10:07 AM
Every time I go I see more and more of "us" on the streets of Sosua than the "couple" type or "families". I blame 90% of the prostitution trade on these fuck'n business owners who pay next to nothing to there employees and who clearly have no interest in the local people and rather focus on the money making end of it... there right I guess, but there business decisions do have consequences. What's a chica to do? Work 9-5 Monday thru Saturday and make 3,000-4,000 pesos a month while there electric bill and rent alone is close to or more than 5,000 pesos? There is food, transportation, and then some left to pay for every month.
I have little to no respect for most of the business owners down there. Most of them don't do a damn thing to improve the economic and social crisis at hand.
Just my 2 pesos worth...It is not the responsibility of a business owner to make social statements. Their goal is to make money, not save souls (you obviously have never been in business for yourself). I do not know of any business owner anywhere who pays more or less than whatever the prevailing wage is for an employee. Mr. Supply, meet Mr. Demand...
The DR has a myriad of economic problems which have created the abject poverty you see there, starting with years of government corruption, and the lack of an effective non-patronage civil service system. To change the baseline economic structure of the country is to require the change of the basic way the government functions, and the Social Contract between the government and the people. That takes years.
Frankly, I don't particularly care for the "in your face" attitude of many of the street chicas there either. Going to a bar and finding chicas wall to wall is a different matter.
When I took Mom RD down there for 10 days, we spent one day and another afternoon/evening in Sosua (many ISOCers met her and her little lapdog furchild). I was embarrassed for her as chicas would come up to me-and I was with my novia-and offer to play.
A boycott is worthless. It's like peeing in a pair of dark wool slacks: you may feel all warm and fuzzy, but nobody notices. Save your energy. If you have the need for a more effective boycott, boycott the overly aggressive chicas. THEY are the ones causing much of the negative tourist feedback. There is nothing wrong with a flourishing industry that is not so pronounced.
I say allow any chica to ply her trade in hobby friendly bars all they want. But crack down on the aggressive street rats that DO become a bother to the tourists. That would keep it contained to those areas where everybody knows the "Real Deal". It serves the mongers' needs, and serves the non-monger needs.
I may not agree with the harsh police tactics from recent events. But I understand why the police were asked to do so. Like prostitution/escort busts in the state in areas where it became too mainstream, things will settle back down shortly but not as obvious as before (see: TBD busts).
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
jd_mine
02-26-2005, 12:15 PM
Plus, hey, Sosua by the Sea DOES allow prostitutes in the hotel. Yeah, you have to check them in as guests, but he knows damn well what they are!
Mister NYC
02-26-2005, 03:36 PM
Every time I go I see more and more of "us" on the streets of Sosua than the "couple" type or "families". I blame 90% of the prostitution trade on these fuck'n business owners who pay next to nothing to there employees and who clearly have no interest in the local people and rather focus on the money making end of it... there right I guess, but there business decisions do have consequences. What's a chica to do? Work 9-5 Monday thru Saturday and make 3,000-4,000 pesos a month while there electric bill and rent alone is close to or more than 5,000 pesos? There is food, transportation, and then some left to pay for every month.
I have little to no respect for most of the business owners down there. Most of them don't do a damn thing to improve the economic and social crisis at hand.
Just my 2 pesos worth...It is not the responsibility of a business owner to make social statements. Their goal is to make money, not save souls (you obviously have never been in business for yourself). I do not know of any business owner anywhere who pays more or less than whatever the prevailing wage is for an employee. Mr. Supply, meet Mr. Demand...
R.Deal,
I have several successful businesses and this is why I can go back and forth to Paradise on a monthly basis...I love it. I also pay more than the prevailing wage to my employees and associates down there and send many to english and computer school and offer incentives to go to college, etc. Your economic views are your own and that is Ok...opinions are like assholes...everyone has one.
I was simply stating that economic and social reform can start with efforts in improving quality of life via education, bumping up the pay scale, offering incentives for higher education, etc.... particularly in DR where many of the business owners have the power to do so but are so damn cheap with shit. One example...my buddy wanted to take a picture of this hot looking girl at one of the local bars and the owner said sure, pay me 50 pesos. I told him to go back to germany with that attitude. This is a example of where my buddy could have possibly gone out with this girl and helped her out if it all worked well but that chance was cut short by this greedy and selfish business owner who could care less about his employee, etc... Most business owners I know down there pay too little or treat there employees like shit and who the hell wants to get a regular job like that?
I agree that the pushy ones should go to jail for being a public disturbance. Let me not ramble on. Thanks 4 reading.
BROOKLYN_357
02-26-2005, 05:29 PM
yeah, let's make 500 reservations and then cancel
gdogg
02-26-2005, 08:23 PM
Why boycott a place you never use? Sounds pointless. It's a nice place, but who really cares. If it wasn't for this article, it wouldn't have crossed our minds. I may have been the last person to ask a question about the place, and that was probably in April...before I knew better!
The owner of the Sosua By the Sea has written his opinion of us and the Sosua Chicas on DR1. I hope all Isoc members will stay away from his business......
It is also well-known that sex tourism is an extremely cheap tourism (even relatively speaking). Why would we cater to that when we can have a much more lucritive and abundant market?
...... Cheap?! Cheap?! Now, I don't mind if this guy says I'm scum, or a monger, or a reprobate or immoral but CHEAP?! That's where I draw the line! Hey I throw alot of money around on these trips, ask anyone.
Cheers. ;)
Tonto4
03-03-2005, 12:51 PM
Hey its great to see you on this board. I just quoted your" Take the plunge. Your life will never be the same" post a while back :D
BXmonger
05-03-2005, 10:46 AM
Every time I go I see more and more of "us" on the streets of Sosua than the "couple" type or "families". I blame 90% of the prostitution trade on these fuck'n business owners who pay next to nothing to there employees and who clearly have no interest in the local people and rather focus on the money making end of it... there right I guess, but there business decisions do have consequences. What's a chica to do? Work 9-5 Monday thru Saturday and make 3,000-4,000 pesos a month while there electric bill and rent alone is close to or more than 5,000 pesos? There is food, transportation, and then some left to pay for every month.
I have little to no respect for most of the business owners down there. Most of them don't do a damn thing to improve the economic and social crisis at hand.
Just my 2 pesos worth...
you are very right! it is basic economics, and they are simply so long as a chick can make 1/5 to 1/2 of a comparable monthly salary from a 1-2 night romp with us, then this 'so called' problem aint going away. this country is backwards, with a very corrupt government and socio-economic power structure; and I love it! remember, we a bi-product of the problem...not the source. these f*ckheads down there don't wanna look inwards at why their precious young chica are dying to put out =P
BrooklynBeas
05-03-2005, 05:44 PM
i just have one question... being i dont go on DR1... Did anyone ask him why he lets whores in his hotel (if you check them in) if he is so against prostitution?
sjaak
05-11-2005, 04:55 PM
Whoa, didn't read this thread earlier, but this Sosua by the Sea guy's post combined with the raids in the South recently is pretty scary. I agree with Gdogg that boycotting a place you didn't go to anyway won't do much good. From the point of view of the Sosua AI owners it's easy to understand, their customers don't like to be confronted by prostitution, so it harms their business. There really is very little we can do apart from going to Sosua and keeping it a mongering destination, and hope the DR government recognises that if this small section of tourism is allowed its own small section of the island, thats for the better of the economy of the whole country. Thailand has shown that a country can be a mongering destination as well as an enormously popular destination for regular tourism. In that case it would be guys like him who would have to pack their bags and take their AI's to Playa Dorada or wherever (there might be some business opportunities in Phuket :D ). The only thing is, do raids like recently in Boca Chica and Santo Domingo get ordered by the DR government or by local chiefs who can be easily influenced by guys like Mister Sosua by the Sea?
i just have one question... being i dont go on DR1... Did anyone ask him why he lets whores in his hotel (if you check them in) if he is so against prostitution?
See if you don't let a guy register with his so called novia or wife who has ID and the so called fellow actually turns out to be someone of real importance you will have a shitload of problems. People from the Embassy do on occassion take private vacations.
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