The Chica Gift Bag.......,How Much?

[Andy]

OK, a lot of stray voltage flying in regards to taking care of chica's, how much money they make and we got the Save a Ho's and their mentality. However, I have a valid question that I want to throw out because this shit can get out of hand before you know it. The Chica Gift Bag is a wonderful thing. I see a lot of guys doing it/a lot are going to do it.

What should be our limit (as a group) to the final cost of a chica gift bag?

I know a lot of folks are going to say, "Hey that's up to you!". I roger that but, if you got some asshole that is throwing $50.00 worth of stuff in a chica gift bag that is like sitting in the a VIP at Classico's and making it rain. You just fucked it up for everybodyelse especially us po folks!


I would like a vote/opinion on a limit of $5.00 or $10.00. If I could edit the vote I would add a 3rd category, ........
" I don't give a damn".

SOME OF YOU MIGHT THINK THIS IS SILLY BUT WE HAVE SOME MEN THAT DON'T KNOW HOW NOR TAKE THE TIME TO SHOP AROUND!

Serious Shit Guys: This gift bag can drive the prices up as well if we are not careful.

Additionally, as requested I would love to hear about your success's (or failures) with the Chica Gift Bag. The intent was to add a nice gift in order to drive the price down. Some people have gotten them down to "crack hoe" prices with the use of the gift bag. Other people may want to do something nice for the chica & build a good rep in the process.

Additionally, those of you that have already done the gift bag thing and there are several of you, could you please repost your photos here as this could be added to the ISOC Wikipedia and show the masses of "How to Do it Right". Additionally, let's say that a guy goes downrange with the makings for his giftbags and for whatever reason does not get the chance to give them all out. If we as a group have said that the max price will be $_________ then the monger can hand off/sell the bags to the next guy coming in. That is after an inspection of the contents are confirmed.
You know how we all got to get rid of extra stuff before we get on the plane. That act is just guys taking care of each other in the pinch.

I assure you, the man who presents the Chica Gift Bag is quickly & positively talked about on the Chica network as a "good man".

[DCIronman]

I remember when just giving them pesos was enough (still is in IMO).

If I understand correctly, part of the idea behind giving chicas gift bags is to receive a reduced rate in return. According, gift bags costing much more than $10 to $12usd ($500RD) would kinda defeat the purpose. Unless, that is, said gift bag allows you to negotiate a chica down to crack-hoe prices.

[Nakom]

My gift bags had lace thong ($4.00), a toothbrush ($0.50), a razor ($0.75), a lip smackers ($1.00), 2 fancy hair ties ($0.25), and a chocolate ($0.50). Total cost about $7 ($250rd). All of those items were to make my session better as well as gifts for her. It worked well for me - but to each thier own - and YMMV.

[husl2001]

I remember when just giving them pesos was enough (still is in IMO).

If I understand correctly, part of the idea behind giving chicas gift bags is to receive a reduced rate in return. According, gift bags costing much more than $10 to $12usd ($500RD) would kinda defeat the purpose. Unless, that is, said gift bag allows you to negotiate a chica down to crack-hoe prices.

Personally, I think a thread on whether gift bags really work would be appropriate. I for one would love to hear stories about how positively the chicas respond when guys negotiate them to 2000 or 2500 pesos, then in the morning they give the girls 1000 pesos and a bag of five items from a dollar store.

[Malo]

I remember when just giving them pesos was enough (still is in IMO).

If I understand correctly, part of the idea behind giving chicas gift bags is to receive a reduced rate in return. According, gift bags costing much more than $10 to $12usd ($500RD) would kinda defeat the purpose. Unless, that is, said gift bag allows you to negotiate a chica down to crack-hoe prices.

Too much work to save $1.50.

[SeaWeed]

Personally, I think a thread on whether gift bags really work would be appropriate. I for one would love to hear stories about how positively the chicas respond when guys negotiate them to 2000 or 2500 pesos, then in the morning they give the girls 1000 pesos and a bag of five items from a dollar store.
I concur.......and for the most part I know that a large reduction in payment usually doesn't happen

and if you ask the hookers.....most will say they would rather have the money instead of the gifts......

hookers are afterall all about the money.....

personally I think the gift bag thingy is more like a tip versus a reduction in payment for the first session.......
though for a repeat it may play into a reduced rate if they know about the gifts after meeting you the first time......

some hookers don't even like chocolate cause they think they are going to get fat.....
plus hookers are pretty fussy when it comes to clothes and might not like what is in the gift bags.....

I say just give the Ho's the money......always worked for this guy.......

[naptime]

my bags had a value of 11US on this most recent trip.

no chica got that, unless it was for a savings minimum of at least 500 pesos.

but its not about the 5 bucks thats saved.

its about making them feel special.

they feel like they are opening presents at christmas.

it eases them into doing pictures without bitching about them not being on the internet.

for those who think the bags dont work, just look at my current trip report, at the pictures of dilcia opening hers. and i havent even gotten to the rest of the girls and thier bags, and what it got me.

we've talked about this in a few threads recently.

to each thier own. if you dont wanna do it, dont. the chicas arent EXPECTING IT.

and i would never negotiate for a price, and then offer them a bag instead.

i give them the bag, and negotiate a price.

or, i give the bag in the morning, to girls who have not negotiated a price at all.

4 of my girls this trip, never discussed price at all. neither before nor after. because they already knew me, or had heard about me.

two, knew that i had gift bags to offer.

one asked if i wanted a blowjob, and if i brought gifts.


but, to answer the subject at hand.... ~10 bucks. limit. i would not do more than that, or its kind of defeating the purpose.

hard core chicas on pedro arent just going to give it up for nothing, in exchange for a bag of shit...

yes, there are some that do.. jimb ofor instance, girls from the garden will come and play aorund with him for a few minutes, in exchange for some gifts..

but he doesnt bang them all night long an then hand them a pair of panties and eyeliner and expect all to be good.

there are unwritten rules.. the chicas and the monger need to understand them.

i give about a 10 dollar bag. i save about 15 bucks. so really i save about 5. but i get more attention, no attitude. plenty of pics. a chica who "loves" me, and will always remember me.

i'm building friendships. albeit with hookers. i am still building a rapport with my girls.

perhaps sooner or later, i'll get it dirt cheap, or free from some them. not holding my breath, not counting on it. but its certainly a possibility.


limt 10 bucks please.

[naptime]

so for all you non beleivers out there, who think the chicas dont like the little things...

here's proof.

look at that face, and tell me she's not like a little kid at christmas !!!


i made her close her eyes, and told her i had a surprise for her

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then she opened and saw the gift bag, and started begging me for it. but i kept it just out of her reach.... at least long enough to get a picture

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then i let her have the bag, and she started screaming..... those of you that were at yayows party know what i'm talking about.... aye aye aye!!!

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and once she started pulling gifts out... it was all over.. each gift was progessively better than the former.... packed like that intentionaly :D :ilike:

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a bag of gifts with new clothes.. particularly panties and shirts.. of course, by law, demands a photo session in said new clothes.

and they are generally all too happy to please...

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so, after this gift bag and photo session, we fucked again and FINALLY went to bed at 4am. in the morning, when she got up, i was still tired, so i opted against a fuck, and instead just had her give me one of her amazing blowjobs for about an hour.

then she left.

i gave her 2000 pesos plus the gift bag. for the 2 fucks the night before and the blowjob in the morning.

for the guys that dont believe the gift bags work.... i have four more stories similar to this one... just keep reading !

[Andy]

Thanks Nap. I knew I could count on you!!! Again, for us old timers these are the "Rabbits out the Hat" stuff that make folks wonder, "How in the hell does he do it?"

Keep posting!

[gdogg]

She would've been excited with 1500 pesos!

[Ter319]

For two of my favorita's who I have a long standing relationship with , I always bring them something down, scented body lotions and soaps with a sponge or some thing for bath and they love it. Another option which is has been spoken of on this site but not mentioned here, photos. I carry along a cheap photo printer and paper, take a couple of pics of a girl and send her out, you have a ton of them surrounding you looking for pictures. THEY LOVE HAVING THEIR PICTURES TAKEN!!

[naptime]

For two of my favorita's who I have a long standing relationship with , I always bring them something down, scented body lotions and soaps with a sponge or some thing for bath and they love it. Another option which is has been spoken of on this site but not mentioned here, photos. I carry along a cheap photo printer and paper, take a couple of pics of a girl and send her out, you have a ton of them surrounding you looking for pictures. THEY LOVE HAVING THEIR PICTURES TAKEN!!

they love having thier picture taken... and then looking at each picture afterwards lol

i think for my next trip ill invest in a printer, because they do like having a copy.

[gdogg]

they love having thier picture taken... and then looking at each picture afterwards lol

i think for my next trip ill invest in a printer, because they do like having a copy.

You would have absolutely no peace then...just chicas following you around 24/7. Wait...yes, invest in a printer. They're pretty cheap now too!

[TNT72]

I know that in reality, I'm always just too fucking drunk to make the gift bag work!

Pesos work for me!

[TNT72]

She would've been excited with 1500 pesos!


Come on gdogg.......thats Naps SuperPuker!!

[GREEKFREAK]

This is sad..for a number of reasons.

[naptime]

This is sad..for a number of reasons.

that's cool.

you do you. i'll do me.

[JD426]

This is sad..for a number of reasons.

Please essplain ???

[GREEKFREAK]

Please essplain ???


first of all u buying gifts for these hoes...u know how lame that makes u look to pull out a bag of goods lmaooooooooooo am i the only 1 who finds this to be halarious??..i can just imagine u bringing a hoe into the room....and u pulling out a bag full of thongs..this makes u look thirsty and low life to accually have planned somthing so retarded out...u asked and i told...just my opinion

[JD426]

first of all u buying gifts for these hoes...u know how lame that makes u look to pull out a bag of goods lmaooooooooooo am i the only 1 who finds this to be halarious??..i can just imagine u bringing a hoe into the room....and u pulling out a bag full of thongs..this makes u look thirsty and low life to accually have planned somthing so retarded out...u asked and i told...just my opinion


Certainly entitled to your opinion, but may I ask you to research Previous threads in this subject. Its a different culture. These are not sophisticated spoiled ass Bitches who require expensive gifts just to make them smile.
Its truly the thought that counts. and they really do respond small gifts so why question it ? & IMO your assumptions and characterizations are very far off base . How many countries have you traveled to ?
Also check one of Jimmys threads in Colombia, he bought a gift for a girl on her birthday no less, and she started SOBBING, and then she told him that was the first time someone bought her a GIFT, and she was like 19 years old.. Maybe you have not factored in that they are WOMEN first, and HO's second.

[gdogg]

It definitely makes a difference. I've given items like the ones in naptime's bags, and the chicas swore it was Christmas! Super hardcore ones aren't too impressed, but a lot of those just want excess pesos para drogas.

[naptime]

first of all u buying gifts for these hoes...u know how lame that makes u look to pull out a bag of goods lmaooooooooooo am i the only 1 who finds this to be halarious??..i can just imagine u bringing a hoe into the room....and u pulling out a bag full of thongs..this makes u look thirsty and low life to accually have planned somthing so retarded out...u asked and i told...just my opinion

your piss poor attitude is the reason you had drama in 08. its the reason you had drama on your last trip. and its the reason you got robbed.

you talk like the women are dirt.

i treat them with respect. ho's yes. PEOPLE FIRST.

i could care less if you like the fact that me and people like me treat them with respect and dignity.

actually, i do care. i hope you keep treating them like dirt.

makes the rest of us look better.


you walk around with a chip on your shoulder. you're a god damned keyboard gangster.. sooner or later your bullshit antics will come back around to haunt you, and we'll be reading about you .. the headlines will be something like "dumbass tourist gets killed because he ripped off the wrong chica"

[naptime]

and for the record.. i never walk around thirsty...

i carry my own santo libre with me where ever i go :P

[Si_Poppi]

I don't do gift bags but I always bring a couple of bottles of perfume to give to the 2 chicas who please me the most each trip.
It has nothing to do with trying to get a reduced rate.
It is just a gift to show my appreciation with no strings attached.

I always bring a bunch of chocolates, suckers, Listerine strips, and Excel gum to give to the chicas.
Not just for the chicas I hook up with but for all of the chicas at the bar like La Passion and Cristals.
Again it has nothing to do with trying to get a reduced rate.
It is simply a way to bring a bit of cheer to the place and perhaps brighten up their day a little to help get the party started.

Considering what some of us spend buying the chicas drinks and food and propinas and regalos, a $10 gift bag is not a significant expense.
If some guys like to do it, good for them.
If you don't want to do it, good for you.

[Apos]

and for the record.. i never walk around thirsty...

i carry my own santo libre with me where ever i go :PYes you do!

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very stylin' :D

[naptime]

Yes you do!

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very stylin' :D


duuuuuude... yer camera makes me look skinny !!!

well..... less fat :) lol

[Citynights]

It definitely makes a difference. I've given items like the ones in naptime's bags, and the chicas swore it was Christmas! Super hardcore ones aren't too impressed, but a lot of those just want excess pesos para drogas.

I think we have all learnt that gifts bring a happier experience with the chicas...the real trick is finding the deals...jeans for $3, thongs for $1, tops for $2-3, dresses for $10, teddies for $3, etc...plus they luv pics...:rolleyes:

[gdogg]

I think we have all learnt that gifts bring a happier experience with the chicas...the real trick is finding the deals...jeans for $3, thongs for $1, tops for $2-3, dresses for $10, teddies for $3, etc...plus they luv pics...:rolleyes:

I haven't even gone that far. A simple compact, tube of lipstick, nail polish, or even candy has done the trick for me. They're not used to getting anything.

[Apos]

My opinion may be a little different....or not :D

I think, like most things, gift bags may work most of the time for some guys and not so much for others.

The guys that it works for probably don't need them cause the chicas are already happy enough and the others may have other issues that confuse the chicas anyway so they won't really work.

Case in point:

I know 2 guys that live in Sosua, both really nice respectful guys yet the chicas either don't really give them any positive attention or in one of the cases actually mock the guy to his face! The other guy just has no real success...sure he can pay for it but he's basically unable to form friendships/relationships which are almost essential and certainly normal enough down here.

To my knowledge, and having hung with them many times and watched how they treat people, they do nothing negative to anyone and in fact they are well liked by other guys but the chicas just don't get them. I've spoken to some of the chicas about them and they don't get their sense of humour or whatever. No bad talk about being treated poorly or anything like that but for whatever reason the chicas do not respond to them as they do to many.

Gift bags from them would almost certainly have no positive effect on the chicas.

I'm sure there is a lot of gray area in the middle as well but as long as handled correctly it'll be a positive for some guys, like getting pix easier or at all, referrals to the chica's friends, etc...but it won't work for everyone.

[naptime]

i agree.

i can think of at least one person that lives in sosua, that gift bags wouldn't do anything for.

nothing would do anything for this person.

and i am sure there are more than a few members here on the board that would not gain anything... because they already treat them like garbage to begin with.

and im sure there are some chicas that could give two shits as well.

as with anything else.. ymmv.


but yeah, like yo usaid.. those of us that have success with bags, would probably have that same success regardless. i dont give ALL my chicas gift bags. yet, i get great sessions from all for the most part. and i dont get attitude.. because i treat them nicely to begin with.

[GREEKFREAK]

Wow naptime...a little sensitive?? I'm sorry if I offended you. For you to mention drama I had
In 08 smh..lol.I can be just as ignorant as you but I won't. For the record I can care less how good what I do makes u look lol. More power to you I'm glad iv been of assistance. I don't care much how I look infront of these girls. All they see is dollars..in ur case underwear? Anyway much luck to you..ull need it if ur dollars don't help..

[Apos]

i agree.

i can think of at least one person that lives in sosua, that gift bags wouldn't do anything for.

nothing would do anything for this person.

and i am sure there are more than a few members here on the board that would not gain anything... because they already treat them like garbage to begin with.

and im sure there are some chicas that could give two shits as well.

as with anything else.. ymmv.


but yeah, like yo usaid.. those of us that have success with bags, would probably have that same success regardless. i dont give ALL my chicas gift bags. yet, i get great sessions from all for the most part. and i dont get attitude.. because i treat them nicely to begin with.exactly!

I treat everyone with respect....until they try to fuck me over, then the gloves are off. Very rarely happens though, for the most part I get it back many times over, but even if I didn't I'd still continue. It's how I was raised and what I believe....and you do look thin in my pic! :D

[Apos]

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and for the record.. i never walk around thirsty...

i carry my own santo libre with me where ever i go :P


Yes you do!

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[naptime]

Wow naptime...a little sensitive?? I'm sorry if I offended you. For you to mention drama I had
In 08 smh..lol.I can be just as ignorant as you but I won't. For the record I can care less how good what I do makes u look lol. More power to you I'm glad iv been of assistance. I don't care much how I look infront of these girls. All they see is dollars..in ur case underwear? Anyway much luck to you..ull need it if ur dollars don't help..

why apologize for offending me. it was your intention. stand by your convictions.

make no mistake they see my pesos just as much as they see yours.

i dont need any other luck than that. i make it a point to try and NOT have chicas threatening to send thier chulos/amigos/hermanos my way for non payment.

its all good though. plenty of chicas for everyone. and jsut as many different types of chicas as there are different types of mongers.

[naptime]

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lmao.. lime, rum, sprite, ice. what else does a guy need... besides a chica or 10 :toast:

[GREEKFREAK]

Glad we agreed on something.

[naptime]

we agree on a few things..

in the end, we're all here for the same reason. and we're all paying for it :)

[Andy]

"I respect all women no matter what country that I am in; especially those that I hire to work for me. Because of my training, I still cannot lose my standard of respect for people even though this thing of ours is a “Pay to Play Business”. Having lived the vast majority of my life being held at a higher standard, I find it hard to be second guessed and questioned about anything when all that I am capable of ever doing is to tell the truth & treat people with dignity and respect."

You see how it all plays out and came right back to this. Yes, there is a method to my madness and it is not PTSD as I do not look at Sosua as a battlefield or a war zone. This is a paradise that is a 1 1/2 hour flight off the coast of Miami. We as a group have the collective power to make a positive impact. "What we do in life shall echo in eternity."

Big Mike 21 Out

[Si_Poppi]

lmao.. lime, rum, sprite, ice. what else does a guy need... besides a chica or 10 :toast:So that's what a Santo Libre is.
A Cuba Libre with Sprite instead of Coke.

[naptime]

So that's what a Santo Libre is.
A Cuba Libre with Sprite instead of Coke.


exactly.

little sweeter taste.

i hate rum and coke.. but i LOVE my santo libre's !!

never heard of it until my august trip. now, its all i drink..

important that its made with anejo or gran anejo.. NOT with blanca or dorada rum.

blanca has a completely different taste.

anejo is aged in kentucky whisky barrels for 5 years (10 for gran anejo)

and of course, ron barcelo gives a far better tasting drink than brugal does.

[whynotme]

its been 3 years since i have been to the dr

and just a short time ago the chicas just loved me for my pesos:confused:

sure i used to bring gifts.......coloured condoms and tooth brushes for them to take after they used them;).......but know they expect gift bags....wtf........i am glad i am thailand right now where all they want is bhat plain and simple..........:rofl:

if i turn a st into a lt because she is good then she can get a '"date with me"" drinks and a movie and in return i get a gfe for the night......but she still wants the $ in the morning. fantasy dates only last so long anyway

so i guess the only real awnser to the question is;

ITS YOUR HOLIDAY AND ITS YOUR MONEY SO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO MAKE IT THE BEST TRIP EVER......UNTIL THE NEXT ONE.

ps; i am back first week in june so looking forward to meeting some of the new guys and of course some old friends

[Nakom]

I am going to jack my own post from another thread as I think it applies to this topic. Like ap-man said, for some guys a gift bag would not do shit. That is because the amount of money (or the addition of a gift bag) has little to do with the quality of the session. A gift bag can make your session better if both chica and gringo have a good attitude going in. The main advantage to gift bags that I noticed, was that it seperated me from other mongers, meaning the chicas tried hard to rock my world so I would stay with them for more than one session / day (I did not). It also helped spread the word that this gringo is a good guy and has gifts - a few days in the hottest chicas were looking for me instead of vice versa (imoo). I also made sure every chica knew that I was not a sucker or a softie.

If you are bored read below for a take on the situation similar to ap-mans.




Re: The difference between "wanting" to go with you, and "having" to go with you.
Wow - good thread - lots to think about. I only have one mongering trip under my belt (Sosua in April) so I have limited experience with putas, and I have never been married, so I can’t compare to that either.

To put things in perspective (it would help a lot in this thread if everyone else did as well), I am 36, single, average looking, all my hair, overweight, and in a much higher than average tax bracket. I have no problem with women around my own age that are average in looks or weight back home. I have little to no luck with women that are 18-25 or stunners. At home (and in the DR), I dress well, have perfect hygiene, am not an asshole, nor am I a push over. I am not cheap, but do not overpay, and I negotiated with about 1/2 the chicas in advance, and the other 1/2 I just gave the going rate in the morning.

Out of 9 chicas I had 3 that were hard core and only about the money, 4 that were up for fun and we made a small connection, 1 that I made a strong GFE connection with (2 TLN's talked everyday in DR and still email with - no WU), and 1 that was totally into me just like a one night stand back home (PSE). I know what you are saying about the last one - but I have witnesses - ask JD426. In my opinion I may as well of been a chulo (for one night only - understood by both of us). She tried to leave in the morning before I offered her money. Of course I made her take the money for her bambino.

The point of all this is to show that the most important thing in any situation in life (or in mongering) is that the attitudes of the parties involved determines the outcome of the situation more so than the circumstances of the situation. Have you ever heard the expression "if you change your attitude, you change everything". This applies to the human race, and crosses all cultural and social economic boundaries.

Like some others have stated, you don’t need money or good looks to get top quality younger women - and like others have said - yes, but that is not the norm and happens very rarely. They are both correct. The problem lies in the fact that the older male has the correct attitude to make it work, but the younger female does not. There are so few younger females with that attitude, it rarely happens. If you happen to be a celebrity, professional athlete, mega rich, or look like George Cloney, the woman's attitude towards you changes. It really is a simple concept.

Here is an example from real life and from mongering:

Pro Athlete - I am a super star - I am gonna get paid.
Sports Team - Let's sign this guy for as little as possible.
This player is almost always traded or released as a UFA.

Pro Athlete - I like it here - but I'm going where the money is.
Sports Team - This guy plays well but we have cap issues.
This player normally signs a 1 year deal for big money.

Pro Athlete - I love this team - I hope I can finish my career here.
Sports Team - We need this guy - but we have to be financially responsible.
This player normally signs a long term 'fair' deal.

Puta - I need money, guess I’ll sleep with a stupid gringo.
Monger - I love pussy, but I am gonna grind her down to the minimum.
This normally ends with a starfish, a hurry up, theft, and asking for more money.

Puta - I need money - this gringo seems to be ok.
Monger - I need pussy - this chica is hot and does not seem crazy.
This normally ends with a good session with a pre-negotiated 'higher' rate.

Puta - If I am going to fuck for money tonight I want it to be him.
Monger - If I am going to pay for a fuck tonight I want it to be her.
This session normally ends in a great GFE / PSE with a 'fair' price in the morning.

The attitudes of the parties determine the outcome - even if it is the same two person(s) in all three examples.

If you have been with 100's of putas, and are respectful, and still cant get a great session, it does not mean that all putas are just about money and they are good actors (although most are). What it means is you have not found one with the right attitude towards you. Or it may mean you need to look in the mirror and make some changes to your attitude.

This is the reason for the expression YMMV (your mileage may vary) when it comes to chicas. Take the same chica who has been with 20 ISOC members. Some say she is great, some say she is a physco, some say a starfish, some say GFE, ect. The same chica will vary by session, by day, and by price. All because of your attitude towards her, and her attitude towards you, at that particular moment.

Just like all of the 'pick-up artists'. What they try to do with their game is change the attitude of the girl they are talking to, or using a series of 'tests' find the ones that have the right attitude already. The big thing with the PUA's is the numbers. They try that shit and get rejected by 15 girls before they find one that is a go. It's a numbers thing, as the right attitude is hard to find / change. Most PUA's think they have game, or are a mac daddy or whatever, but the truth is that they program themselves to have the correct attitude, and seek out women who have it as well. They think they are all that, but it is really just human nature. That is why indifference is so powerful with women - you have their I don't care about you attitude, and why a true alpha male has 10x the game of any PUA.

Same goes in the DR. Act like a man, have fun, and be respectful - and the chicas will follow. Act like a chump, be cheap, or an asshole - bad news for you. Take the time to test them out before you take them home. Dance, kiss, drink, have fun. No vibe = bad attitude = no fun for you. Regardless of how pimp you are or how much she needs the money. Ever notice that even when a chica gets the high price she is asking for, you can still get a rotten session. Ever notice sometimes you pay a daytime chica 500rd and she rocks your world for 2 hours. It dosent matter if you pay her 500rd or 5,000rd, the money does not factor into it, if she has a bad attitude towards you - you get a bad session - if you both have good attitudes towards one another - a great session.

Of course, these are just my opinions, not facts. Use it, or disregard it, your choice. Bottom line, when it comes to the chicas - don't be a hater!

[gdogg]

exactly.

little sweeter taste.

i hate rum and coke.. but i LOVE my santo libre's !!

never heard of it until my august trip. now, its all i drink..

important that its made with anejo or gran anejo.. NOT with blanca or dorada rum.

blanca has a completely different taste.

anejo is aged in kentucky whisky barrels for 5 years (10 for gran anejo)

and of course, ron barcelo gives a far better tasting drink than brugal does.

Have you tried it with Ginger Ale? That's how I've always done my Santo Libres at home...good stuff. I do take them with Sprite in the D.R.

[DCIronman]

Pesos, pinga, and actually taking the time to develop some chemistry with a chica has always sufficed to to for me, what guys are saying gift bags do for them. I see no reason to fix what aint broke.

[greydread]

I have a road dog who spends time between trips surfing sales on Victorias Secret's site and buyin quality unmentionalbes at ridiculous markdown prices. He gives these to his regular Chicas. It makes them happy and that makes him happy.

I have another road dog who brings a bag full of shit for the putas he adopts. He brought a Playstation II for one's kid. Of course he then had to go buy a new TV because there was only one in the house. He also filled the refrigerator and pantry with groceries.

Does anybody think for one second that they received more pleasure from their putas than I received from mine? I don't bring shit (except a cigar or two for Mr. Happy). Hell I can barely remember to bring the shit I need.

A puta once asked me in the morning if I had a toothbrush for her.

?:facial:

You guys have got to stop this shit.

[Passport Playa]

my bags had a value of 11US on this most recent trip. No chica got that, unless it was for a savings minimum of at least 500 pesos but its not about the 5 bucks thats saved. Its about making them feel special (they feel like they are opening presents at christmas). It eases them into doing pictures without bitching about them not being on the internet.

For those who think the bags dont work, just look at my current trip report, at the pictures of dilcia opening hers. and i havent even gotten to the rest of the girls and thier bags, and what it got me. "To each thier own". If you dont wanna do it, dont. the chicas arent EXPECTING IT.

I would never negotiate for a price, and then offer them a bag instead. I give them the bag, and negotiate a price or i give the bag in the morning, to girls who have not negotiated a price at all. 4 of my girls this trip, never discussed price at all (neither before nor after because they already knew me or had heard about me). Two, knew that i had gift bags to offer and one asked if i wanted a blowjob, and if i brought gifts.

To answer the subject at hand.... ~10 bucks. limit. I would not do more than that, or its kind of defeating the purpose. Hard core chicas on pedro arent just going to give it up for nothing, in exchange for a bag of shit...
Yes, there are some that do.. jimb ofor instance, girls from the garden will come and play aorund with him for a few minutes, in exchange for some gifts but he doesnt bang them all night long an then hand them a pair of panties and eyeliner and expect all to be good.

There are unwritten rules.. the chicas and the monger need to understand them. i give about a 10 dollar bag. i save about 15 bucks. so really i save about 5. but i get more attention, no attitude. plenty of pics. a chica who "loves" me, and will always remember me. I'm building friendships. albeit with hookers. i am still building a rapport with my girls. pPerhaps sooner or later, i'll get it dirt cheap, or free from some them. not holding my breath, not counting on it. but its certainly a possibility.

limit 10 bucks please.

Naptime,

I couldn't have said it any clearer or better! To the "dudes" who are knocking those who prefer to do this, what the fuck is that all about? Just because the next man seemingly has a heart and feels good knowing that he has given someone less fortunate a little more than she has, what is "soooo" wrong with that? If you don't want to do, just don't fucking do it! But for you to imply that this is akin to fucking up the game, obviously you need to re-examine your thought process and check yourself!

Personally speaking, I get pleasure from seeing the smiles that my giftbags seem to elicit. I get pleasure from seeing this chica go the extra mile because of something as insignificant as a $10.00 giftbag. Have we forgotten that this is a less than privileged third world country and that a woman is a woman no matter where she is?

This is yet another example of YMMV. As I have said before and will say again: "Everything "ain't" for everybody"!

The Mac Man

[Si_Poppi]

It makes them happy and that makes him happy.


You guys have got to stop this shit.If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad.
If it makes me happy, then why the hell are you so sad? :lol:

YouTube- Sheryl Crow - If It Makes You Happy

[DCIronman]

Naptime,

I couldn't have said it any clearer or better! To the "dudes" who are knocking those who prefer to do this, what the fuck is that all about? Just because the next man seemingly has a heart and feels good knowing that he has given someone less fortunate a little more than she has, what is wrong with that? If you don't want to do, just don't fucking do it! But for you to imply that this is akin to fucking up the game, obviously you need to re-examine your thought process and check yourself!

Personally speaking, I get pleasure from seeing the smiles that my giftbags seem to elicit. I get pleasure from seeing this chica go the extra mile because of something as insignificant as a $10.00 giftbag. Have we forgotten that this is a less than privileged third world country?

This is the epitome of a YMMV example. As I have said before and will say again: "Everything "ain't" for everybody!

The Mac Man

Well said. And I agree that you should do what you want with your money. I only forsee it becoming a problem if the chicas start expecting gifts in addition to pesos. But if that happens, I'll just limit my mongering to Santiago, where such things are unheard of.

I do find it interesting that some of the same folk that were all up in arms about me giving chicas a small propina, see no problem at all with bringing them gifts. To be honest, I don't see much of a difference.

[greydread]

Naptime,

I To the "dudes" who are knocking those who prefer to do this, what the fuck is that all about?

Allow me to explain what "that" is about.

A Chica who engages in P4P sex has effectively turned her affections into a commodity.

Like a car.

A brand new model, shiny convertible with 500hp and everybody wants one (I'm giving the Chica the benefit of the doubt here). Let's call this model the "Puta". This car has been assigned a list price by the manufacturer. Some guy goes to the dealer and says "I really, really want that shiny car so I'll give you list plus 20% and the sale is done. The dealer figures he's had a good day and he's got ten more of this model coming in tomorrow. The next day as soon as the new Putas are off liaded, three guys offer list +25% and sign quick deals. The same thing happens the day after and now the dealer's only got 4 Putas left.

On the 4th day when someone wanders into the dealership and asks "How much is that Puta in the window?" what, exactly do you think the dealer's going to tell him?

[Passport Playa]

Allow me to explain what "that" is about.

A Chica who engages in P4P sex has effectively turned her affections into a commodity.

Like a car.

A brand new model, shiny convertible with 500hp and everybody wants one (I'm giving the Chica the benefit of the doubt here). Let's call this model the "Puta". This car has been assigned a list price by the manufacturer. Some guy goes to the dealer and says "I really, really want that shiny car so I'll give you list plus 20% and the sale is done. The dealer figures he's had a good day and he's got ten more of this model coming in tomorrow. The next day as soon as the new Putas are off liaded, three guys offer list +25% and sign quick deals. The same thing happens the day after and now the dealer's only got 4 Putas left.

On the 4th day when someone wanders into the dealership and asks "How much is that Puta in the window?" what, exactly do you think the dealer's going to tell him?

Dread,

I understand your position and it has been duly noted. However, be rest assured that my intention isn't to change the rules of the game. I became a member of I.S.O.C. so that I could learn/refine/master "Mongering 101". You have my word that I will never/ever fuck up the game for the next man.

Peace and Respect!

The Mac Man

[Malo]

Dread,

I understand your position and it has been duly noted. However, be rest assured that my intention isn't to change the rules of the game. I became a member of I.S.O.C. so that I could learn/refine/master "Mongering 101". You have my word that I will never/ever fuck up the game for the next man.

Peace and Respect!

The Mac Man

If I got a dollar for every time I heard that.

[Passport Playa]

If I got a dollar for every time I heard that.

Jimmy,

Let the record reflect that I am almost as cheap as you are! :rofl:

The Mac Man

[Andy]

"On the 4th day when someone wanders into the dealership and asks "How much is that Puta in the window?" what, exactly do you think the dealer's going to tell him?" GREYDREAD

REPEAT LAST TRANSMISSION: - I know a lot of folks are going to say, "Hey that's up to you!". I roger that but, if you got some asshole that is throwing $50.00 worth of stuff in a chica gift bag that is like sitting in the a VIP at Classico's and making it rain. You just fucked it up for everybodyelse especially us po folks!

SOME OF YOU MIGHT THINK THIS IS SILLY BUT WE HAVE SOME MEN THAT DON'T KNOW HOW NOR TAKE THE TIME TO SHOP AROUND!

Serious Shit Guys: This gift bag can drive the prices up as well if we are not careful.

[Malo]

Jimmy,

Let the record reflect that I am almost as cheap as you are! :rofl:

The Mac Man

Please do not confuse cheap with stupid. If the monthly wage is $150, I see no reason to pay a chica $100 a night for 7 nights. Its economics. If I truly was cheap then I would be alone in all those restaurant pictures.

The attitude that well back where I come from its....................

[gdogg]

Jimmy,

Let the record reflect that I am almost as cheap as you are! :rofl:

The Mac Man

MacMan, I'm sorry dude. But that's not possible!
:)

[Malo]

MacMan, I'm sorry dude. But that's not possible!
:)

No prize for you in Medellin!

[gdogg]

Please do not confuse cheap with stupid. If the monthly wage is $150, I see no reason to pay a chica $100 a night for 7 nights. Its economics. If I truly was cheap then I would be alone in all those restaurant pictures.

The attitude that well back where I come from its....................

If I never hear anyone use that again, I'd be a chipper gringo. That's some illogical shit there!

[gdogg]

No prize for you in Medellin!

Damn!! I was so close too.
:(

[Malo]

If I never hear anyone use that again, I'd be a chipper gringo. That's some illogical shit there!

Go to San Jose and stand in the Del Rey on a Friday night, you should hear it once an hour, every hour.

[Malo]

Damn!! I was so close too.
:(

You could have reached out and touched her.

[Si_Poppi]

I have a road dog who spends time between trips surfing sales on Victorias Secret's site and buyin quality unmentionalbes at ridiculous markdown prices. He gives these to his regular Chicas. It makes them happy and that makes him happy. What more needs to be said?

I don't buy this argument that giving a chica a little something extra suddenly raises the bar for everybody.
If 1 in 100 customers gives her a little treat, it doesn't make sense that she would expect this to be the new norm and that now the other 99% will do the same.
Plus the reality is that it is a buyer's market so this simply does not make sense.

If I give my favourite chica a bottle of perfume, it isn't to get a reduced rate or better service.
It is simply a no strings attached nice thing to do to make her happy which makes me happy.
Even if she was an idiot and suddenly hoped that everybody would do this every time, so what?
She would quickly see reality.

I often give generous tips and regalos to waitresses and bartenders too.
So what?
Are they going to suddenly think that everybody is supposed to do this every time?
There is no reason why they would think so.

I like to spread a bit of cheer and make someone's day for people who are nice and give good service.
If in turn I receive great service and some free drinks, this is very nice and appreciated, but not my intention.

If a bartender gives me a free drink, it doesn't make sense that I would expect every bartender to do this.
Should other bartenders get pissed off that she is raising the bar? :rolleyes:

[gdogg]

Si_Poppi your argument is based on logic. Most Dominican putas lack logical and critical thinking. In general, gift giving won't raise the bar, but there are some nutty putas out there who think it does. But it also goes back who you spend your time with, and why making a connection beforehand is important.

[Malo]

Most Dominican putas lack logical and critical thinking. In general, gift giving won't raise the bar,

Need to stand up and say that out loud as well.

[gdogg]

Need to stand up and say that out loud as well.


Most Dominican putas lack logical and critical thinking.
:wink:

[Si_Poppi]

Si_Poppi your argument is based on logic. Most Dominican putas lack logical and critical thinking. In general, gift giving won't raise the bar, but there are some nutty putas out there who think it does. But it also goes back who you spend your time with, and why making a connection beforehand is important.These chicas are not highly educated but that doesn't mean they are stupid, although some of them are.

I should have mentioned that I tend to do a lot of repeats.
I usually focus on 2 chicas with some dabbling on the side.
If I was getting a couple of new chicas every day like a lot of guys, for sure I would be less likely to give special presents.

In any case, for the most part, the chicas are not incapable of accepting a special treat for what it is.
Even the chicas that I give a special regalo and/or propina to once in a while do not expect it from me every time.
Why would they expect it from everybody else every time?
They are not that stupid and even if they were, so what?
They would quickly get a grip on reality.

[gdogg]

These chicas are not highly educated but that doesn't mean they are stupid, although some of them are.



I agree with you on that one. But lacking critical thinking doesn't equal stupid. Oh boy, let me stop now before I start writing essays.

[Nakom]

The fact that the average DR woman makes $5000rd a month plays against us, not for us. We are in essence, offering them so much f'n money for an hour (or 6) of their time that most could care less about their level of service. All they need is 2 sessions a week and they are way ahead of someone else that works 60 hours a week. That is why 'top shelf' chicas ask for $3000rd and will not budge - to dirt bags, assholes, and pushovers. They would rather go home empty handed then spend time with some gringo loser. Basically (for DR standards) they are rich women.

These same 'top shelf' chicas will go with 'higher class' gringos for $1000rd ST and $2000rd TLN because 1) they want the money and 2) it is fun(er) for them. For me, I look at some of the trip reports and think "are you f'n nuts" I wouldn’t screw that chica for free. There are some really fat and ugly chicas in some of these reports. I would never comment on anyone else's choices - beauty is in the eye of the beholder - and to each their own. But some mongers talk about how only the 5-6 rated chicas give good sessions. I think it is because so few gringos ever pick them (for any price) that they try to convince you to keep her for a longer period of time (and make more money).

A gift bag is a monger tool that might convince a chica that you are a 'higher class' gringo. It can help to change their attitude towards you - meaning a better session for you. All of the hard core mongers negotiate the price before they get back to the room anyways - so how can giving her a gift bag after you have negotiated raise prices? Besides, for every guy that takes the time to make a gift bag, there are 25 mongers that don't.

I have read that CR has been ruined by mongers paying high prices. I do not think this has happened in the DR yet. Vet's talk about how they used to get a TLN for $500rd back in the day. I bet the chica price is directly related to wages paid in the DR. Inflation is a real thing and happens everywhere. If the average wage today is $5000rd a month and a TLN is $2000 - back when you paid $500rd for TLN the average wage was probably $1500rd - before there were IPOD's, TV's, and cell phones to purchase. I used to buy hockey cards when I was kid for $0.25 a pack and now they are $5.00. I also used to get $5 a week allowance and now I make $150k+ a year - it's all relative.

There are still lots of good quality putas that give great service for the going rates - to some mongers and not to others. I don't think it is right to judge guys that take some initiative and some time and effort to improve their service and their vacation. If you are relying on other mongers to keep your prices down - that is a sign of your inability to control your own environment (or weakness) - and we all know that the chicas can smell that a mile away.

Screw who you want - pay what you want - do what you want. It's your life, your money, and your vacation. Let's use the board to exchange information and not be so quick to judge people that have the courage to share their ideas.

[Malo]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A gift bag is a monger tool that might convince a chica that you are a 'higher class' gringo. It can help to change their attitude towards you - meaning a better session for you. All of the hard core mongers negotiate the price before they get back to the room anyways -

A gift bag doesn't make you any more or less classier

[gdogg]

I didn't know I was dealing exclusively with top shelf chicas. I don't pay over 2000 pesos. Who knew?

[Malo]

I didn't know I was dealing exclusively with top shelf chicas. I don't pay over 2000 pesos. Who knew?

One guys top shelf chica is another guys street rat.

[Nakom]

That's why the terms "top shelf" and "higher class" are in quotations - these are not absolutes - they are generalizations. Who is to say that a gift bag does not make you "higher class" in the eyes of a puta - perception is not reality - and opinions are not facts.

I never paid more than $2000rd either - but I always got the puta I wanted - I never settled or had to give up on one because of a high price.

Malo - that is an excellent point, however the majority of men have the same general classification of what a street rat is and what a hot chica is. Out of 14,000 members on this board how many think Jessica Alba is hot and Rosanne Bar is not.

[Malo]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Malo - that is an excellent point, however the majority of men have the same general classification of what a street rat is and what a hot chica is. Out of 14,000 members on this board how many think Jessica Alba is hot and Rosanne Bar is not.

You will be surprised to see that the majority do not agree on what a street rat is vs top shelf.

[husl2001]

You will be surprised to see that the majority do not agree on what a street rat is vs top shelf.

An excellent candidate for "Best Statement of the Week"

[Nakom]

I would like to test that opinion. I am going to set up a poll with pictures of 5 chicas and see the results.

BTW - I do not think your opinion is any more or less valid than mine - just different.

[Malo]

I would like to test that opinion. I am going to set up a poll with pictures of 5 chicas and see the results.

BTW - I do not think your opinion is any more or less valid than mine - just different.


In many cases, pictures do not do a girl justice. But go ahead, we love polls and contests.

[DCIronman]

Not sure what is meant by the term "high class gringo". But I pretty sure that most chicas will have sized you up and determined your "mettle" way before you get her back to your room. They look at things like how you carry yourself, how you talk, the company you keep (if you're not solo), where you're staying, and even how you're dressed. Some of these chicas are very good at this.

And a lot of experienced mongers avoid negotiating prices, or talking about money with a chica. Why negotiate something that is, IMO, non-negotiable.

I guess that I'm way too old school for this gift bag thing. And dealing only in pesos helps me to keep things in perspective.

[DCIronman]

I would like to test that opinion. I am going to set up a poll with pictures of 5 chicas and see the results.

BTW - I do not think your opinion is any more or less valid than mine - just different.

Well let me just say that you'd be hard pressed to find what I consider a "top shelf" chica, in Sosua.

And a "high class gringo"?!?! Rarer still. LOL!

[bklyndrguy]

just to what i think about gift bags ive been in DR 14 times will be 15 next week so far every single girl who i had in the past they all like me becuse i respect tham i never cheat on the money i allways tip tham nice if iam really happy my gift to tham is when they ask me for a drink and i give tham but i will never go into the store just to buy gifts for tham and as alot of u said before everyone should do what they feel yes its a nice thing and yes they like it but its something once u start u cant stop so i dont even start

[Nakom]

Once again "top shelf" and "high class" are in relation to the chicas and mongers in Sosua - not to other locations.

[husl2001]

Well let me just say that you'd be hard pressed to find what I consider a "top shelf" chica, in Sosua.

And a "high class gringo"?!?! Rarer still. LOL!

DCI is spot on.

Sometimes I wonder if, in light of all the cheat sheets, spreadsheets, and cheap treats, if folk on these board tend to overanalyze the place a bit.

Look, Sosua is a (these days, deeply) discounted vacation spot that is equal parts beach town-and-whoring central. If it wasn't for the chicas, virtually nobody would go, because there are much better spots in the caribbean (and DR, for that matter) for a beach getaway.

The chicas can (and do) screw Dominicans they are genuinely attracted to. You know, guys their age, in good shape, who completely understand their language, culture, and the inner workings of a 21-year old mindset.

Chicas come to Sosua to make money. Some are hardcore, many others are quite nice girls. But understand: if they weren't desperate for money, there's no way we'd be getting down with them like we do.

Here's a quick test: do the "normal" girls you regularly get back home look like the chicas you get with in DR? If you even have to give that one some thought, then the answer is "NO," and you are viewed as a paycheck. Maybe a very nice paycheck, but one nonetheless. Period.

Therefore, gifts are designed to make you, the gringo, feel better about the transaction. Part of pretending that you're not actually doing P4P whoremongering, and that you're treating them special.

Here's the thing, tho: if you have goodie bags for 10 chicas, then there's nothing really special about it for them, is there? I mean, they have dollar stores out there, too. And they know cheap crap when they see it.

So understand it's all about the illusion, the fantasy that helps you believe you're a stud as opposed to merely This Week's Arrival on AA who is trying to pay rock bottom rates to pretend he's a rock star.

[Nakom]

I agree with this fact 100% - if they weren't desperate for money, there's no way we'd be getting down with them like we do.

I disagree with this opinion based on my limited experience - gifts are designed to make you, the gringo, feel better about the transaction. Part of pretending that you're not actually doing P4P whoremongering, and that you're treating them special.

That may be how gift bags make YOU feel - but can you actually attest as to how they make anyone else feel?

[Malo]

I disagree with this opinion based on my limited experience - gifts are designed to make you, the gringo, feel better about the transaction. Part of pretending that you're not actually doing P4P whoremongering, and that you're treating them special.



Are you really sure? Some guys are down there looking for novias and or wives and won't ever admit it.

[naptime]

i think some you are overanylizing the act of the gift bag.

if you get it. if you dont, your just not going to.

i'm not gonna beat my head on a brick wall trying to get you to understand it. because quite frankly, it doesnt matter to me whether you do or not.

im not goign to convince you to give gifts, anymore than you are going to convince me not to.

someone a few pages back pointed it out perfectly...

just because a handful of guys do it, does not mean the chicas are goign to EXPECT it from everyone.

if i leave a nice tip for a waitress, shes not goign to expect it from everyone.

if one, or even ten of my customers give my drivers a 10 dollar tip, they are not goign to expect it from everyone. and they arent goign to expect it from that customer every time.

when the barmaid at latinos slips me a free drink im not goign to expect other barmaids to do it, nor am i going to expect her to always do it.

when one chica lets me cum in her mouth im not gonna expect every chica to do it.

when one chica lets me take amazing pictures of her sucking my dick and me fucking her in the ass, im not goign to expect every chica to do it.

those of you that think that 15 or 20 guys on here who feel like giving gifts out, is anything substantial compared to the THOSUANDS of mongers that visit sosua each year, and is goign t ofuck up YOUR game... then you are just sadly mistaken, and just plain silly.

im out. not gonna waste anymore time on this thread.

call your names, spew your insults, whatever. i'll still be there in july enjoying "MY" vacation, the way "I" want to.

[Malo]

i think some you are overanylizing the act of the gift bag.

if you get it. if you dont, your just not going to.

i'm not gonna beat my head on a brick wall trying to get you to understand it. because quite frankly, it doesnt matter to me whether you do or not.

im not goign to convince you to give gifts, anymore than you are going to convince me not to.

someone a few pages back pointed it out perfectly...

just because a handful of guys do it, does not mean the chicas are goign to EXPECT it from everyone.

if i leave a nice tip for a waitress, shes not goign to expect it from everyone.

if one, or even ten of my customers give my drivers a 10 dollar tip, they are not goign to expect it from everyone. and they arent goign to expect it from that customer every time.

when the barmaid at latinos slips me a free drink im not goign to expect other barmaids to do it, nor am i going to expect her to always do it.

when one chica lets me cum in her mouth im not gonna expect every chica to do it.

when one chica lets me take amazing pictures of her sucking my dick and me fucking her in the ass, im not goign to expect every chica to do it.

those of you that think that 15 or 20 guys on here who feel like giving gifts out, is anything substantial compared to the THOSUANDS of mongers that visit sosua each year, and is goign t ofuck up YOUR game... then you are just sadly mistaken, and just plain silly.

im out. not gonna waste anymore time on this thread.

call your names, spew your insults, whatever. i'll still be there in july enjoying "MY" vacation, the way "I" want to.

You are dealing with Dominican putas. If one gets 5,000 for an all nighter, next thing you know its 3am and her entire crew thinks thats the going rate. These are not rational people.

[JuanElGriego]

You are dealing with Dominican putas. If one gets 5,000 for an all nighter, next thing you know its 3am and her entire crew thinks thats the going rate. These are not rational people.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Si_Poppi]

You are dealing with Dominican putas. If one gets 5,000 for an all nighter, next thing you know its 3am and her entire crew thinks thats the going rate. These are not rational people.Sorry, but that is bullshit. :rolleyes:

[Malo]

those of you that think that 15 or 20 guys on here who feel like giving gifts out, is anything substantial compared to the THOSUANDS of mongers that visit sosua each year, and is goign t ofuck up YOUR game... then you are just sadly mistaken, and just plain silly.

im out. not gonna waste anymore time on this thread.

call your names, spew your insults, whatever. i'll still be there in july enjoying "MY" vacation, the way "I" want to.


I happen to think that this is a very good topic and discussion.

[Malo]

Sorry, but that is bullshit. :rolleyes:

Sure, no chica ever got on a moto at 2am because you only offered her 2,000 and nothing is better than something. Happened to me more than once.

[Si_Poppi]

Sure, no chica ever got on a moto at 2am because you only offered her 2,000 and nothing is better than something. Happened to me more than once.I don't doubt that but why would you assume that it was because her friend got 5000?
I don't see the connection nor any factual basis for you claims.

For every chica like that, there is another who will ask for 2000 and go for 1500.

[Malo]

I don't doubt that but why would you assume that it was because her friend got 5000?
I don't see the connection nor any factual basis for you claims.

For every chica like that, there is another who will ask for 2000 and go for 1500.


Please are you new to the place. I spent 10 years going there and listening to them talk. I do understand the language.

[Si_Poppi]

There will always be some chicas who will hold out for and often get more than the average rates.
It doesn't mean that the bar has been raised for everybody.

The claim that 1 chica getting 5000 will lead to all of them expecting that is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

[Malo]

The claim that 1 chica getting 5000 will lead to all of them expecting that is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Welcome to the land of ridiculous.

[naptime]

I happen to think that this is a very good topic and discussion.

i agree. it is a good discussion.

i can do without the name calling, finger pointing bullshit though.


dammit. i said i was done with this thread !

[Passport Playa]

DCI is spot on.
Therefore, gifts are designed to make you, the gringo, feel better about the transaction. Part of pretending that you're not actually doing P4P whoremongering, and that you're treating them special.

Here's the thing, tho: if you have goodie bags for 10 chicas, then there's nothing really special about it for them, is there? I mean, they have dollar stores out there, too. And they know cheap crap when they see it.

So understand it's all about the illusion, the fantasy that helps you believe you're a stud as opposed to merely This Week's Arrival on AA who is trying to pay rock bottom rates to pretend he's a rock star.

For the record, I can appreciate your perspective although I feel as though there are parts of it that are indeed skewed!

Although the vast majority tend to purchase and distribute "dollar store" items, that is not true for all. Since I am a Macys type of dude, the chicas whom I get down with have the benefit of receiving quality items. Although many of these items are deeply discounted, the fact of the matter is that there is no "dollar store" that I know of where you can acquire original DKNY, Tommy, Calvin Klein, etc. There is no dollar store where you can purchase "in date" Godiva. Although I tend to gift "knock-off" perfumes, chicas like them because they smell just like the originals. As a matter of fact, I tend to encourage my "crew" to gift the quality stuff since it sets us apart from the rest of the pack.

I can assure you that the chicas whom have had the pleasure of receiving gift bags by Gregorio know the difference between the items I am gifting and "dollar store" items.

You have a valid point when you stated: "Therefore, gifts are designed to make you, the gringo, feel better about the transaction. Part of pretending that you're not actually doing P4P whoremongering, and that you're treating them special". As a matter of fact, I will say that you hit the nail right on the head.

Personally speaking, I do have a conscious and because of it, I sometimes question the merits of my actions. Some how, in some skewed way, presenting gift bags by Gregorio seem to make me able to live with myself.

The Mac Man

[Nakom]

I think an open discussion with differences of opinion is fun and good for the board. I agree with Naptime though - I respect other people's opinions and do not judge. I have never insulted, be-littled, or otherwise said a bad thing about any member on here - and I won't - it's not in my character.

[DCIronman]

Personally speaking, I do have a conscious and because of it sometimes question the merits of my actions. Some how, in some skewed way, presenting gift bags by Gregorio seem to make me able to live with myself.

The Mac Man

Bravo! Well said my friend. You can't see it. But right now I am applauding you. Because, IMO, the above quote is probably the best explanation I've seen in this debate thus far. This I can understand.

One of the more experienced and well respected members of this board (Yayow himself) once stated, "Aint nothin wrong with a little humanity DC." Some show it by gifting the chicas. Others show it by simply treating the girls well and paying them fairly, with a small propina given for exemplary service.

Personally, I doubt that these guys are screwing up the game. I mean, I don't do the gift bag thing. But I've also never had a chica object to the 2000-2500 I give for TLN.
No, the only problem I have is with guys who bring a bunch cheap crap in order to pay the chicas less. Sort of like offering glass beads to the natives (i.e. my poll entry). Gotta be honest, I find it demeaning and a bit creepy. But that's just my personal opinion. Carry on.

[Passport Playa]

I'm just "luving" this thread. After all the commotion yesterday, threads like this, make this board both enjoyable and entertaining. Kudos, my dudes!

The Mac Man

[officemgr]

I'm just a giving person and toss panties and earrings to cool chicks. Some of them, like Wendy I have never touched. This reminds me to hit Victoria's secret today while the unsold mother's day gifts are 50-80% off. The gift sets can be broken up to one item per chica.

[Passport Playa]

I'm just a giving person and toss panties and earrings to cool chicks. Some of them, like Wendy I have never touched. This reminds me to hit Victoria's secret today while the unsold mother's day gifts are 50-80% off. The gift sets can be broken up to one item per chica.

For all the Newbies, take note! We have the master sharing some of his secrets. All I want him to share with me is one of those bad-ass bitchez that he seems to always have! Holla at your boy! :lol:

The Mac Man

[imrealareyou]

You are dealing with Dominican putas. If one gets 5,000 for an all nighter, next thing you know its 3am and her entire crew thinks thats the going rate. These are not rational people.

1000 short time, 2000 long time, with maybe a 500 tip if she is outstanding, fully into it, multiple busts and doesnt say no to anything i want and when i want. no bartering over here or negotiating to much. that is my price and i will stick to it, even if i have to go back to my room alone and jerk off. but hey, thats just me.

unless of course i go the passions route etc.

[rushdog34]

i cant remember the thread i read it on but at first wasn't the purpose of the bags portrayed as the tool for the cheaper price?? or have they now evolved to making the person feel good while paying the same price??

or have i just got off a long day of work and lost on the topic all together lol

[DMV]

I'm just "luving" this thread. After all the commotion yesterday, threads like this, make this board both enjoyable and entertaining. Kudos, my dudes!

The Mac Man


Right there with ya Mac MAN!!!!! It's nice over here.

I've never tried the gift bag, but I have bought some cheap gifts for ones I've done before that gave good service.

[GREEKFREAK]

in regards to mongering...dont we leave the states and wherever we come from so that we dont have to buy girls gifts?? we go to DR to pay for it. These girls are hungry they dont want gifts they want money.

When chicas start turning up with gifts all over the place all her friends are gonna want the same thing. Just give them enouph so they will want more later. dont spoil them with gifts and money...

Dont get me wrong..if we can give these girls gifts INSTEAD of money...then thats wassup...but if its in insentive...theyll always expect it.

[Andy]

We have had over 90 views according to the ticker. However, it appears that the leading polls reflect;

09 guys say the limit should be $10.00.
10 guys say fuck those ho's & don't give them any extra shit.

I have read a lot of interesting comments. All post' are viewed with respect and I thank you for your input. I wanted to also see how the presenting "the Chica Gift Bag (CGB) is viewed and at what limits should be adopted as standard operating proceedure. According to the polls, we only had a few that will participate in this gesture but again to each his own.

My point of view remains unchanged. It is but a small token to say thank-you and some have already proven that using the CGB is a way to lower the price of doing the deed. I think a CGB and $1000 Peso for a TLN with a favorite chica is not too out of bounds. However, they got to have the "A Favorite Chica" status first. I am sure some of you have already gotten lower prices than that. PIMP ON!! (Actually after doing some math, if you get her to do the deed for $1000 Peso, the CGB at a cost of $13.89 is equivalent to the 500 Peso difference for the standard TLN of 1500Pesos if anybody cares & wants to keep it exactly fair to both parties and keep your conscious at ease.)

However, based on the responses I have received even with the CGB the standard proceedure for me must be;

1. We have agreed to fuck me for money at this price (ST or LT) I know not everybody does this upfront but it is a path that leads to less chances of headaches

2. We fucked for money (ST or LT and the shit was off the hook!!! BBBJCIM, Doggy Style, Photos, Tossed my Salad, Tea Bagged, the works!!)

3. Here is the fucking money we agreed upon. (That is non-negotiable)

4. Here is a nice fucking token of my appreciation. (Do not use the CGB as a bargaining tool. It should be a true surprise and a "gift" as it was intended. That way nobody get's hurt.) The chica that was camera shy might open up a little bit to allow the "surprise for me" shots. She might then ask/take less money. If she wants to give you back some money then that is just outstanding!!! You found a smart chica that really wants to be invited back and she appreciates your efforts. You will get big props on the Chica Network.

5. Now, kindly get the fuck out of my room. (It is time to go. I will buy breakfast if TLN. I will also walk you out. I will definately speak to you on the street but, please keep it moving because..................)

6. I am now on my way to fuck chicas #2,3,4 & 5 thu 21. (And if one of your girlfriends fucks me as good as you just did, don't start hating on me because she got a Gift Bag too.)

This appears to me the best path to take that leads to less headaches with use of the CGB.

BIG MIKE 21 Out

[Passport Playa]

in regards to mongering...dont we leave the states and wherever we come from so that we dont have to buy girls gifts?? we go to DR to pay for it. These girls are hungry they dont want gifts they want money.

When chicas start turning up with gifts all over the place all her friends are gonna want the same thing. Just give them enouph so they will want more later. dont spoil them with gifts and money...

Dont get me wrong..if we can give these girls gifts INSTEAD of money...then thats wassup...but if its in insentive...theyll always expect it.

Your comments have definitely proven that while some may view the glass as being half full others may view it as being half empty. Based upon this analysis, I think it's fair to say: "To each his own!"

The Mac Man

[hioctane]

What about greater than $10? :rofl:

I take it that this is about chicas that you meet for the first time... In this situation.. any trinket will do. Chicas are like any other woman and they like gifts! :lol:

If she's your favorita, I'm sure you should give her more... no?

[officemgr]

$5.00 max. more like some .99 cents panties and/or.99 earrings. two pair of panties is more than enough.

[officemgr]

bracelets cost 1-2 dollars. makeup even less.

[Andy]

I have been on several operational deployments, humanitarian relief operations and a couple of just plain old wars on some distant faraway land. I did not bitch, whine or complain about it, I just rucked-up, put my knees in the breeze and rocked steady. Actually, it was an exciting adventure. Regardless, on each and every deployment somewhere along the way I received a “goody bag” filled with treats that just made my day. Somebody that didn’t know jack shit about me and didn’t know who I was, took the time to put together a bag of stuff for me and my joe’s in order to lift our spirits and let us know that somebody gave a damn about us. My warfighting days are over but I can do this;



The Cost Breakdown for 10 Chica Gift Bags



(Items located at Costco, Dollar Tree, Military PX & It’s Fashion)
(The bold numbers are to be used to add up the sections)


The Item PurchaseCost Cost Each Bag

01. Thong Panties $1.25 Ea $1.25 $5.25
02. The Gift Bag $1.00 Ea $1.00
03. Lip Gloss 5/Pack $1.00 Ea $1.00
04. Perfume $1.00 Ea $1.00
05. Multi Pack Eye Shadow $1.00 Ea $1.00
06. Tooth Paste (Small) $0.55 Ea $0.55 $4.55
07. Lipsmackers 2/$1.00 $0.50
08. Scented Bath/Shower Gel 2/$1.00 $0.50
09. Bath/Shower Sponge 2/$1.00 $0.50
10. Hand Sanitizer 2/$1.00 $0.50
11.Lip Gloss Single 2$1.00 $0.50
12. Flavored Body Crème 2/$1.00 $0.50
13. Lip Balm Sunscreen 2/$1.00 $0.50
14. Finger Nail Files 10/$0.50 $0.50
15. Soap Dish $0.28 $0.28 $1.53
16. Tooth Brush Case $0.27 $0.27
17. Bar of Soap 3/$1.00x4=$4.00/12=$0.33 (2 left over)
18. Wet Wipes 3/$1.00x4=$4.00/12=$0.33 (2 left over)
19. Tooth Brush(Low Quality) 5/$1.00x2=$2.00/10=$0.20
20. Shower Cap 8/$1.00x2=$2.00/16=$0.125 (6 left over)
21. Ghiradelli Chocolate 50/$9.00 $0.18 (5x Ea) =$0.90 $2.46
22. Lindor Truffles 50/$8.00 $0.16 (5x Ea) =$0.80
23. Bubble Gum Rolls 4/$1.00x3=$3.00/12=$0.25 (1x Ea) (2 left over)
24. Blow Pops 12/$1.00 $0.08 (1x Ea) =$0.08 (2 left over)
25. Tootsie Pops 12/$1.00 $0.08 (1x Ea) =$0.08 (2 left over)
26. Peppermint Hard Candy 90/$1.00 $0.01 (9x Ea) = $0.09 Take the loss here (-$0.10)
27. Gum Drops 90/$1.00 $0.01 (9x Ea) = $0.09 Take the loss here (-$0.10)
28. Butterscotch Hard Candy 70/$1.00 $0.01 (7xEa) = $0.07 Take the loss here (-$0.30)
29. Strawberry Hard Candy 50/$1.00 $0.02 (5x2Ea)= $0.10

Goal $13.89 x 36=500 Peso $13.79 Current Cost per 10 Chica Gift Bags
If the objective was 1000 TLN with CGB at a cost of 500Peso total= 1500 Peso

Again, I am not fighting wars but just putting together something that can win the hearts and minds of a few chica's that take/took the time to take care of me in a very special way. I know we all are paying for it but if we use it as a "gift" and not a tool to haggle over price then I think it will be a win win for everybody. Others my say "Fuck them you don't have to do that." That's OK. I respect your opinion and you can voice it.

The price of the CGB can be a whole lot less or a whole lot more if that's what you want to do. We know that a lot of folks will not do this but for those that are considering this, use this as a shopping example of where you can find stuff and the prices. (I have not included the flea market stuff as I did not find quanities of 10.)

Rock Steady

[officemgr]

didnt know cats took this so seriously. i stick to a few simple items. there are a couple of hood stores that sell .99 cent panties and the odd lot stores has them for .88 cents. there are a couple of stores in manhattan around 30th street and broadway that sells cheap earrings and bracelets for 1-2 dollars. lollipops i get from the bodega .05 cents each.

AFTER the holidays victoria secrets sells lotions and sprays for 1-2 dollars a bottle for the rotation chicks. i usually take a bag of assorted shit with me and lately having been bringing back alot of shit. i have a baby phat tank top and hoodie that i got for like 3 bucks that i can't get rid of because its a small and i been doing mediums and a few larges. but i have to admit seeing a 2 dollar bottle of victoria secrets on your dresser can turn a good girl into a freak and some chicks love to pose in new shit but i don't give everyone something and no one gets more than a few dollars worth.

last trip i brought a 4 dollar blouse for a chick because i was tired on seeing her wear the same couple of blouses but i think her husband had her locked down my whole trip. i also have a 5 dollar dress that i am saving for a superstar poser and i had some .99 cent tank tanks that i gave out just because.

like everything else in dr you can't take this to seriously. chicas appreciate anything. i offered one chick some panties and she said no she wanted the magazine i got from the airplane, but i have to say that guys need to chill on the makeup since most of them chicks dont know how to wear it and i am tired of seeing the clown faces.

[Andy]

"didnt know cats took this so seriously."

As a Master Blaster vet of the 9-11 Force, I can only do things 1 way and that is......... All the Way.

[Malo]

"didnt know cats took this so seriously."

As a Master Blaster vet of the 9-11 Force, I can only do things 1 way and that is......... All the Way.

And that is what in English?

[Hemp]

This chica gift back business is rediculous!!!! how did we go from a lil propina.....to Gift bags to hookers?????

shaking my got damn head*

board is tripping again....time for another house cleaning jimmy!!! lol

[GREEKFREAK]

might as well buy their diapers while your at it lol............im just playing no beef lol

[Andy]

This started as what folks thought would be an appropriate cost. This is for guys that were going to do this sort of thing. The response’s and the viewership grew as reflective to the ticker. This is an item of interest.

Then this thread grew to have others speak of why they do it and a few good men demonstrated that they have no shame in their game and spoke of their conscious’s kicking them in the ass. All of that was fine and dandy as well.

Now at crunch time when I have laid out the cost and the items to be purchased, the comments presented now reflect “Oh shit, I can’t believe that we got folks doing this.”

I and many others have said it before and I will now say it again. If you don’t care to participate then don’t. If you look at the girls the as tricks & scum of the earth then that is how you feel but you, me and a shitload of other people from all over the world come to the DR like a crack addiction and pay for a taste of their “goodies” so who’s the real trick.

This is just a way of saying thanks with a few items that the chica definitely can use and keep for herself and not have to share it with a Chulo or a crooked cop.

And oh by the way,………………….I didn’t get poisoned while I was shopping either.

[daddy999]

I haven't put alot of thought into this, but have seen how it makes a difference. On my last trip, I just finished an outstanding st and had some candy just lying around in the room. I just asked her if she wanted the rest of the bag which was more than half full and something I bought at the dollar store. Well, you would think that she hit the lottery:biggrin:. She got undressed and we went at it again before she left. She thanked me for the goodies and thought it was nice of me to do that. I didn't plan this, just offered it to be courteous because I really didnt see myself finishing it. It was just a gesture and expected nothing in return, but it does show how the smallest tokens of appreciation are received by the women. The next time down, I will have a goodie bag prepared just in case

[Hemp]

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