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Don Tomas
04-28-2004, 12:08 AM
I have been a little leery of posting my trip report because I made ALL of the mistakes mentioned on this board. I got robbed, ripped off, conned, fell in love, and even was used a few times, hell I had a few things happen to me that haven’t been mentioned. Oh well live & learn. All I ask, constructive criticism is fine but no laughing, you can laugh just don’t tell me you laughed at me. Thanks.

What I do know is that I got further with girls then I have ever been in my life. I felt like a god, rock star, king, you name it, even with the downfalls. I do have one girl I wish to thank; she was a Palace Chica ironically. Sure she charged me too much but she made me happy and we got along famously. Thank you Natalie (american name), I will be seeing you when I get back.

I died five years ago and felt I would never live again. Now I know where I can live. Back in the states rejection isn’t a phase for me it’s a way of life. Sure I might have been ripped off or conned but I was never rejected, once but she was under 18. Upon returning to the states I went after this Cuban chica I have know for a while but she just wants to be friends. The bonus is she is teaching me Spanish and she can dance so I can practice while away.

So on to the report…

Saturday, March 27th: I stay up all night because I have an 8am flight and I am not a morning person unless I am still partying from the night before. I forget a bunch of items but I do get on the flight. I board early and start falling asleep to grab a nap on the way to San Juan, then a few minutes go by and I get slapped in my arm by the HR director from work who was heading to St. Thomas. Joy what a way to start my vacation. The rest of the flight is in dreamland. Arriving at POP was nice except it was raining so hard that I was soaked by the time I got to the terminal. After getting my baggage I head to the customs guy. He opens my luggage and starts to take my condoms and put them in his pocket, I am like no those are mine. So he starts asking for $10US, I figure it’s better then losing my condoms. So I hand over $10 and tell him to close the suitcase. I grab my stuff and immediately a porter comes up, “NO GRACIAS” and grab the luggage from him, he gets the message. I walk out expecting Dominican Ray to be waiting for me. It’s raining cats & dogs so he isn’t there. I wait, and I wait, and I wait, about 45 minutes later while I was trying to call him he arrives. We head to Sosua so I can get my key at the Palace and check in with John; also I get an Orange phone. I had made reservations for the entire 8 nights with John at the Palace so I decide to honor them even though I am going to Santiago for a few days. Ray picks up a friend of his, who I first thought was available but alas not for me. We drive back to Santiago on the highway since it’s raining to hard to go through the mountains. Everything is a blur to me since this is all new to me. We drop his friend off who seems to be a bit mad at me but she was jealous since I was getting Ray’s time and she wasn’t. Ray brings me to the Hotel Platino that is a very nice hotel; I would say Holiday Inn quality. We drive to his home and I meet his family, his wife has dinner waiting for us. Again I am overwhelmed at the differences versus the US so I barely notice a girl waiting there for me. She was very attractive, looking for a novio, spoke English, and very sweet but alas I let it slip through my fingers. She figured I wasn’t interested and left. We head to Kelvin’s Carwash and it is loud and crazy, there are some Dominican New York people there but I am the only gringo there. Strangely no girls approach me but I wasn’t “hunting” either, again just trying to process all of the information coming into my head. I meet several people and have a few Presidente’s. Well guess what Presidente’s are 6% or 12 proof so they hit you HARD your first time. I see one girl I am interested in but she is with a local guy. I ask Ray if it possible to get a girl who is with another guy, so he calls her over. She says she cannot get with me tonight but can meet me around noon tomorrow. We setup the appointment. A little while later Ray’s wife arrives with a new girl for me. Oh My God, she is my type. Small, sweet, and young. I am happy. She tells me she has to leave around 4am so I am devastated, wait I do not want to sleep alone my first night down here! So being the sad person I am she sees my face and changes her mind, my “puppy dog” eyes won her over. We head to Illusions after Kelvin’s but after seeing that place it is not a place to go to when you already have a girl. Even though it’s a Saturday night and late (11ish) Illusions is DEAD, plenty of girls but no customers. So I we order some beers. They then tell me there’s no smoking so I tell Ray after the beers lets go somewhere else. Ray does some dancing but my girl doesn’t like to dance. I think she is as nervous as I am. So we head off back to my hotel and he drops us off. We head up stairs and things go bad from the start, she doesn’t speak English and I don’t speak Spanish, also one of the things I left at home was my Spanish-English dictionary. So I call up Ray and turns out we both misunderstood each other. After I tell Ray just tell her to go with the flow and all will be good. Now realize before I tell of my first sexual adventure I find more pleasure in making a girl cum then making myself cum. I know it sounds odd but it’s the control part I get off on. To me sex is 90% mental and 10% physical. So after a nice hour of making out like teenagers I pop my first question MAMARTOTO? She giggles and is all shy; body language is body language in any language. So I ask again and say I am good at it, again my limited Spanish. I am so glad I went downtown. She was so sweet and tasty and damn she was finely kept, VERY low mileage. I barely could get my finger in her. She starts off acting like a deer in headlights but then she gets into it A LOT. Damn I thought the rest of my hair was going to be pulled out. She is squirming all over then bed but remained very quiet. Well maybe I over did it, I do know a wet spot the size of a medicine ball was on the bed and she even squirted a couple times but all of the sudden she was tired and wanted to fuck in the morning. It’s been a long day for me too with only a three-hour nap on an airplane in the last two days so off to sleep we go.

Sunday, March 28th: I was woken up at 8am by my chica getting dressed. She tells me she has to get home and is very sorry, of course she asks for money. Again since I haven’t gotten this far with any girl in a long time I pay her well (1500RD). Also I figured with a bigger tip I would hopefully get to see her again, if I only knew how wrong I was…Well I figured I need my sleep so I go back to bed, around 11am I get a phone call, figuring it’s Ray to find out about how my night was. This is how the conversation went…
me-“Hola”
him-“blah, blah, blah” (in Spanish)
me-“no habla”
him-“I said WHO THE FUCK IS THIS?” (strong New York accent)
me-“Who the fuck is this?”
him-“WHO THE FUCK IS THIS?”
me-“Is this Black?” (I met a NY’er named Black last night)
him-“No, WHO THE FUCK IS THIS?”
me-“My name is Tomas”
him-“Where do you live Tomas?”
me-“Chicago, come up and see me some time”
him-“No where do you live in the DR?”
me-“Oh, I’m just on vacation for a couple days and rented this phone”
him-“Well you called me from this number last night” (oops you all know what happened when I went to the bathroom last night)
me-“Well I didn’t call you”
him-“Do you know a girl named Camedia?”
me-(Seriously just like this)”Camedia, Camedia, hmm, oh yeah she was the girl in my bed last night!”
him-“You Mother Fucker she is my fucking girlfriend!”
me-“Well buddy I didn’t know she had a boyfriend, I am sorry you cannot control your girl but guess what that is your problem not my problem”
him-“ I guess you are right, you didn’t know better. Since you are new in town let me show you the sights and we can have a couple beers”
me-“Sorry I have plans for today, Adios Amigo” (and I hung up)

He never did call back. I called Ray and told him to swing by and pick me up. After a stop at the store, his home, and a few other errands we headed off to Navarette. There was a Carnival going on there and it was a great time. We met another one of Ray’s “amigas” and she had an amiga waiting for me but she wasn’t my type so it didn’t work out but overall I had a great time at the Carnival. Again a place where I was the only gringo around. So after taking several pictures and drinking several Presidentes we headed back to Santiago. In Santiago we swung by the salon where there were two girls waiting, Wendy and Alisabe (I know I am spelling her name wrong too). Well Wendy was the one called to meet me but I am more interested in Alisabe. After some driving around and both girls in the back with me we end up back at Ray’s home. Alisabe is a little bit sick so I figure take my chances with Wendy, hey let’s make another mistake right! Since I am having a good time with Ray I decide to stay with him another day. Ray drives us back to my hotel around 11pm. We head in and Wendy sees my laptop. So I start it up and she looks at my pc and some pictures I have taken so far. I finally want get to business so I close the laptop and get on the bed. She starts to get undressed and we get to business. She doesn’t like mamartoto so we get to the fucking, it’s like a tunnel, and she is so worn out that I was looking for a 2x4 to strap to my ass so I wouldn’t fall in. 30 minutes later and I’m still trying to cum she tells me she has to leave at 12:30! She is asking me for money I give her 1000RD and she wants more rather then get into an argument I just give her 1500RD and send her on her way. WTF Sleeping alone tonight. It’s too late to call Ray and I’m wide-awake, in a strange city where I don’t speak the language. I should have been adventurous and left but I didn’t instead just watched TV until I fell asleep.

Monday, March 29th: A new day and since I didn’t do anything the night before I call Ray early. He shows up after an hour and we head off. He tells me we are going to head to see a friend of his in Monte Llano. We head up to the coast and we meet another “amiga”, Sida (spelling) of his who is there with her sister. Well the sister takes off about five minutes after we get there and I am left as the third wheel. After a couple beers we drop off his amiga who doesn’t want Ray to give her money in front of me because she is no puta, haha I laugh later because you will see… We stop by the Palace and meet the Swede, he has some ice cold Presidente’s there so we sit around drinking and talking with the chicas. During that time I, with Ray’s translation help, setup a happy hour with Mercedes and Mori (spelling?) for the next day. John wasn’t there and I forgot my key back in Santiago otherwise I would have done it right there and then. We head back to Santiago and during which time he tells his wife no more BS chicas for me and they better be willing to stay the night! When we arrive back at his home there is a beautiful chica waiting for me. Damn she was hot, and well groomed (nice clothes, hair, nails, etc.). It’s early so we head to the casino, I give her 1000RD to gamble with while I go to the tables, lucky for me I won a 1000RD so I came out even. She is getting bored so we head out and go straight back to my hotel. She gets undressed immediately and all is good, mamartoto, fucking, etc. Still haven’t gotten a blowjob but hey the rest is good. She is also ready to go in for the long haul, I have never cum fast in my life and with my nerves I don’t plan on it. After 4 hours I give up and we fall asleep. The next morning is when the tears come on, I found out she is married to someone very important in the government with two kids. She is going through a divorce and her husband isn’t giving her anything. She asks me for more money and hearing about the kids, the fun time we had, plus her beauty (she was an 11) I fold and give her way too much money (go ahead and laugh, 3000RD). She then tells me it’s her Birthday and she wants me to buy her a cell phone, not just any phone but a camera phone! I tell her I am here until Sunday and I will call her that night and maybe tomorrow we will go buy her a phone, I never did call.

Tuesday, March 30th: Welcome to Sosua. Ray, his friend Santos and me all head up to the coast. We swing through Monte Llano and meet two girls that we pickup. One of them is just HOT, really HOT! Well she starts digging Santos and it’s his Birthday on Thursday so I tell him just get her number for me and he can hit it today, I even offer him my room. We head to the beach where we meet one of Ray’s friends Paco who works the beach. We drink a bit and then head back to the Palace. After thirty minutes or so my happy hour arrives. At first Mercedes and Mori (Note: Mori can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch) quote me $60US each for a happy hour, I work them “down” to $40 but I know still too much! They want to make sure I know it’s only until I cum once, I laugh and say sure no problem. During this time Ray and Santos grab Claudia (the HOT one we picked up) and Natalie (the girl I thanked at the beginning) and we all head up to my room. Ray & Santos finish up way early and leave, of course four hours later I come down with Mercedes and Mori who I think felt they were ripped off. They did try their best. I even brought down lipstick and nail polish, I tell them one each. Mori tried to take 6 of them, I just grabbed them out of her purse and left one. I go have dinner by myself at Mora Mai and then head to the casino. There I win 20,000RD at the craps table and they sure got pissed when they noticed I wasn’t branded and was leaving. I head to the infamous High Caribe and when I get there I see Ray’s amiga, Sida waiting outside. She gives me a great big hug and since I’m up some money I think nothing of paying her way to get in. We start talking and I figure what the heck I just fucked two girls for the last four hours and need a break so I use her as a shield so the other putas don’t bother me, tonight is my night to get fucked up! I ended up buying her, her cousins, her friends, and her neighbors, hell everyone drinks on me all night, no biggie it’s all monopoly money. During the night the Swede comes in and says hi. A little while later I see a fine looking girl so I ask Sida if the girl is a puta or regular girl. She goes up and asks, next thing I know she is at the bar with us and I’m buying her drinks. I head to the bathroom and ask the Swede if he knows my new girl, of course he does. Next thing I know when I return from the bathroom the Swede is with the new girl and again I am with Sida, oh well it’s all good, plenty of fish in the sea, besides it’s my night to get fucked up! As the night ran on my conscience started kicking in that I was facing the possibility of sleeping alone so I ask Sida if she just wants to spend the night, after all she is Ray’s amiga so I won’t try anything I just want a warm body to hold that night. She tells me sure but on one condition, she wants 3000RD!!! Anyways after some translation by her cousin she says she will come home with me for more then sleeping as long as I pay her but I can never tell Ray. Well I’m drunk so fine by me! Again I was up a lot of money and didn’t want to sleep alone. Her cousin even tells me don’t bring her anywhere else besides my hotel because her old boyfriend is there, me being too drunk to know who that was stupidly accepted a ride from him with Sida. When we got back to the Palace Sida tells me she will fuck me tomorrow but tonight she was going home with her ex-boyfriend. Man fuck that, so when I won’t get out the boyfriend tells me he is calling the police since he spoke perfect English. I ask him if he understood the saying “All bets are off” I told him tell Sida everything about me not telling Ray no longer applies, all bets are off and I will let him know she is a puta and that she was going home with her ex. The boyfriend calls me a Mother Fucker and I stumble into the Palace. I grab a beer and pass out on a patio chair never making it up to my room.

Wednesday, March 31st: I wake up around 11am and sometime during the morning I must have walked up to my room. I jump in the shower and figure a massage is in order down at M&M. Before I go though I figure I would call Ray and let him know about my “exciting” night. Well he knows what time it is down there in the DR so he laughs it off and calls her. Next thing I know he is calling back telling me she is pissed I told and is on the warpath. So I am out of here. I head to M&M and get a wonderful massage. After that I head to the beach and meet up with Paco. I eat some lunch and Paco offers to show me Los Charamicos. We walk down to the shantytown of Los Charamicos and watch some cockfights and I win some money that of course I use to buy everyone Presidentes. During that time I spotted a very attractive girl, one thing led to another and I was in her home after slipping her mother some pesos (500RD for mom and 1000RD for her) banging the shit out of her behind the curtain. We spend the rest of the day in Los Charamicos. When we come back to El Batey we stop at Pluto’s bar and have a couple Presidentes. There I meet my novia, a bartender at Pluto’s. She is sweet and we arrange a meeting there that night. I go back to the Palace for a quick nap and head up to Pluto’s. We hit it off and she is very excited I came back. Well because of a slight misunderstanding she has to work until 6am. I hang just because. I am buying everyone drinks and make a lot of new friends. After she gets off we go back to my hotel and fall asleep, she was “with the moon” so no ficky ficky.

Thursday, April 1st: The next morning my bartender goes home telling me to come by the bar tonight. I am horny and find a lovely girl down stairs in the Palace, I forget her name but she is hot. I bring her upstairs for a short time (1500RD) and bang the hell out of her. Well she gets “sore” and asks me to stop and says she has to go home, home must be the bar downstairs watching the soap operas brcause I find her there after I showered and dressed. Oh well you can’t win them all. I hang out around the Palace and get a manicure and pedicure from the girl across the street. After some pampering I head off to see the town and hang out. I run into Paco again and off to Los Charamicos again to hang out with the locals. We drink and eat all day and I head back to the Palace to shower and dress. I head up to Pluto’s and my bartender is all happy to see me, we drink & dance the night away. Then at 3am she tells me she can’t spend the night because she has a family thing to do at 8am the next morning. Again facing the prospect of sleeping alone I head out. I run into the Swede and he tells me to go to the Flamingo, stupid me thinks the Flamingo is the bar out front not realizing it is behind those bars. Well nothing exciting there so I cruise to the High Caribe. I just walk in and find the first chica that attracts me. No Dancing, No Drinking, just “Hola, Cuánto para todo la noche?” She tells me 2000RD, ok why not, I’m drunk & horny. We get back to the Palace. When we get back her tune changes she wants 3000RD for all night, 2000RD for 2 hours. I want an all nighter so I give in and pay 3000RD. I KNOW I should have just kicked her out and went and found another one but I didn’t. Actually because I didn’t have enough pesos it turned out to be 3300RD. Well it gets better, her definition of “todo la noche” is until the crack of dawn…

Friday, April 2nd: At 7am my chica of the night is waking up telling me she has to go home to her bambinos. Well that was a total of three hours, I should have stuck with the 2-hour/2000RD deal. Oh well fuck it. I do my next stupid mistake and go for a walk through Sosua at 7am before the sun has burned off the smog, I almost die from lack of air but make it. I come back to the Palace and bum around for a while waiting for a chica to come by. Paco comes by instead and tells me he wants to take me out to the country, I should have know what that meant. It meant I pay for gas and he can go see all his relatives, well it’s all-good and I meet new people. Coming back to the Palace I run into some chicas who want me to take them upstairs, instead I decide to go see my bartender and give her an ultimatum. I bring some flowers and a little letter telling her I really like her and would like to spend the rest of my vacation with her. I give her time to decide and go have dinner and a nap. I come back and she is so happy to see me so I figure tonight is the night. I hang at the bar, she gets off at 1am. Before 1am the Swede was nice enough to stop by and confirm that he didn’t know my bartender as a working girl. We head over to Disco D’Classico and dance, then the power goes off and we head to D’Latino. We are hot and heavy with the kissing so we head back to the Palace. She tells me one more day with the moon so I hold her tight and fall asleep.

Saturday, April 3rd: This day could have went bad but it didn’t, thank you again Natalie! When we wake up my bartender tells me she doesn’t have to work today but that she made plans with her amigo (yes with an O) to go to the beach! WTF! So she sees I’m upset trying to tell her that this is my last day and don’t want to spend it alone but still leaves. She tells me to meet her at Pluto’s at 1am, WTF not even dinner! So I walk her downstairs. Downstairs Natalie is sitting at the bar. She remembers me from the other day when she partied up in my room with Ray, Santos, & Claudia. I am not even sure she completely understood me but I just said to her (well thinking out loud). “I need a grudge fuck and I know you can handle it” I grabbed her hand and brought her upstairs. While we were upstairs doing it I forgot to lock the door so Paco comes by to show me more sights (i.e. make more money) and knocks on the door and finally comes in, even though I am screaming “I’m busy”. I tell him to go but he really needs to talk to me. I told him unless the Palace is on fire, I don’t give a fuck what he needs to talk to me. I tell him to give me a couple hours. He comes back in 30 minutes and I’m still fucking. This time he just comes in. I grab him and throw him out locking the door this time. Of course the interruption put a damper on the mood but Natalie was totally understanding. I just in the shower to cool down and Ray calls telling me he is up on the coast and is going to stop by. We start at it again, my god she has the most wonderful tongue. Finally I cum, the first cum of my trip, of course it only took 4 hours but hey good things come to those who wait. Now she wants more money so I ended up giving her 2500RD. Yeah but it was enjoyable and she was the coolest chica I had been with so far. Well we head down stairs and Ray is waiting for me. He & Natalie talk for a bit while I change and shower. Ray and I take off for Puerto Plata hang out there for a while, we go to a couple outdoor cafes and drink some Presidentes. A couple chicas give me the look but nothing interesting. We decide to go to Monte Llano. This time we go to the shantytown of Monte Llano and visit one of Ray’s friends, and older nice lady who use to run a club there. Guess who lives a couple shacks over…Yep it’s Natalie. She is shocked I am there, she asks me if I am scared to be there. Scared why? Not all gringos are the same. So we spend the afternoon hanging out drinking Presidentes. I am ready to go again so I ask Natalie if she will spend the night with me and offer her a very nice amount. Of course she says yes. Ray picks up a local chica there himself and the four of us go to dinner. Me and Natalie are getting crazy at the table, so crazy if it was America we would have been thrown out, she is also doing sweet things like feeding me by hand while I just sit back and relax. Like Tom Petty said, It’s good to be king! We head back to the Palace and the four of us go up and start fucking. After the fucking Natalie tells me she forgot and can’t stay the night oh well, it’s only midnight I can still go and get my bartender. I tell Natalie that just in case I want her back at the Palace at 9am, I give her 1500RD and she calls me cheap, I laugh it off and head out. If I get some “with the moon” bullshit tonight I want her the next day before I leave! So I arrive at Pluto’s and my bartender is again happy to see me but wonders why I am late, I tell her I took a nap after dinner and overslept. We go out dancing (D’Classico & D’Latinos) again and head back to the Palace. Again she loves me but just wants to be held. Well knowing Natalie is coming by in the morning I grab her tight and fall asleep.

Sunday, April 4th: I was woken up by Natalie knocking on the door promptly at 9am, so I tell her that my bartender is still here and to wait downstairs. My bartender is asking me for money, for the first time. True I had tipped her at the bar and bought her drinks while drinking there but this was the first discussion of money. I take “all” the money I have out of my one pocket, which was 350 pesos, and send her on the way telling her I will call her when I get back to the states, yeah right. I grab Natalie and start banging away! It’s all good. I give her another 1500RD and tell her I will see her in a couple months when I get back. She wanted more but that was “all” I had in my other pocket. I pack up and head for the airport two hours early. LaJazz and the Swede even laughed at me for leaving so early, no matter it was worth it guys “He who laughs last laughs best!”. I get to the airport and check in, find a seat and sit down for a couple Presidente’s and a burger before I leave. Of course they charge you US dollars in the airport so the bill comes to $10, I have a $50 and some singles on me so I give the waitress the $50, she comes back with two $20s. So I just grab the five singles out of my wallet and go up to her after finishing my food, I don’t even know if I said it right but it fucking worked! This is what the DR is all about, sadly I found out my last day in the airport. I hissed to call her attention and while giving her the $5US I said “Propina para mi amor” She looked at the money and said Gracias. I then asked where the bathroom was, now I know I said that right but instead of just pointing in the direction of the bathroom she grabs my hand and drags me into the bathroom, right into a stall. She drops my pants, lets me do my business and then drops to her knees to get me hard! Next thing I know she is bent over the toilet and I am fucking the shit out of her (Yeah my one and only non covered moment). I hear my plane being boarded and all I am thinking is I got to cum/go my plane is leaving! I know I just smell of sex when I get on the plane.

Well I am returning in July and I am sure I will fuck up again but it’s so much fun. Did I mention I love the Dominican Republic!

Ecanto
04-28-2004, 07:30 AM
Amigo,

Thanks for the report, it was fairly entertaining. I was in Sosua basically at the same period, for the first time ever.

I have to tell you that I am dismayed by the amounts you are willing to pay. I never paid more than 1,500 for all night, and when I say all night it means until 10/12 the next morning. It seems to me that, in view of your experience, when you are willing to give out so much money without bargaining those chicas take you for what you are (ie a sucker), dont feel that they have to stick their words and that even if they depart in the middle of the night, you are going to pay them anyway. Which seems to be the case!!

But by doing so, please understand that you spoil the market for the rest of us. So please, please, negociate and stick to your guns. Please understand that this is a buyers' market - there are many more girls than mongers. And that if one beautiful girl refuses to back down, if you send her away she will be replaced by a new one wanting to chat you up within five minutes anyway.

In fact, when I read your post I dont want to laugh at all.

Bug Boy
04-28-2004, 08:22 AM
Entertaining post!

I was concerned though. Did you say that the girl's name was Sida? The name seems a bit odd???


-Helpmann

Don Tomas
04-28-2004, 09:18 AM
...I never paid more than 1,500 for all night, and when I say all night it means until 10/12 the next morning. It seems to me that, in view of your experience, when you are willing to give out so much money without bargaining those chicas take you for what you are...But by doing so, please understand that you spoil the market for the rest of us...

If I can't speak Spanish I cannot negotiate. Shit happens, glad you had lots of luck. Just for the record to fuck 18 year olds all the time I would pay way more then even 3000RD, it's all percieved value sorry if you feel I am ruining it.


I was concerned though. Did you say that the girl's name was Sida? The name seems a bit odd???

Again I don't know the language but her name was pronounced S-I-da, where the I is pronounced like the pronoun. I was spelling it the way it sounded.

Vincent Vega
04-28-2004, 10:00 AM
The thing is, SIDA is the Spanish words for AIDS, so it is a bit unlikely that you would meet a whore who uses that name--not good for marketing purposes.

Probably her name was something similar like Seina, which is a Spanish female name.

This was a very interesting report. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. To be honest, I got the impression that there was something about you that put the chicas off. Perhaps it was just nervousness, because your final anecdote in the airport was wonderful--classic--and something that I don't think I would have been able to pull off.

Regarding the prices thing: It is often said that if people pay too much, then they will ruin the market for others. There might be some truth in this, but then the vast majority of clients of these girls are guys staying at the all-inclusive resorts with their wives, who probably don't read these boards or speak Spanish at all. What is good is that the supply of girls exceeds the demand and that everyone can negotiate something that meets their budget. If you can't get the most gorgeous, horny girl in town for 800 pesos, there will always be another almost as good who you can.

DominicanRay
04-28-2004, 10:13 AM
You are the best! Entertaining report. You have a great memory. The girls name was Saira not Sida (Aids in Espanol). She is still calling me about that night claiming her innocence. It's all good.

The system when purchasing love for the night :D is like the stock market. The seller (la chica) has an asking price and you (the buyer) has a bid price. You must simply determine how much you are willing to spend on your pleasure. Once you come up with an agreed upon price, don't pay until the agreed upon hour of her exit. If she has to leave before the hour for some sudden problem with the kids, a sick mother or whatever, start deducting dollars. Pay in dollars or whatever your currency is because it's easier for you if you are not familiar with the crazy fluctuations of the peso. Paying in dollars also keeps them guessing. 99% of these chics will have some story inorder to get a few more bucks out of you. Simply tell her "NO TENGO MAS DINERO, ME LLAMO ESTA NOCHE MI AMOR" (I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE $$$, CALL ME TONIGHT MY LOVE")

It isn't you, but those who came before you that have run the prices up. I often hear guys complain about paying a chic $ 40 for a night of sex. These are the same cats that put out $150 per hour (a 45 minute hour) for a half baked chicken head back in their home towns. Many are also doing it here. I stopped taking my clients and friends to Sosua for many years due to the overpricing situation. I had a $500 peso policy for my clients just up until last year. $500 pesos for short stays. $1000 for all nighters was the basic program. At first, this policy was met with great resistance by the chics in Sosua because the girls were accustomed to earning more $$. Eventually they came around. But it wasn't easy. Thanks to information sharing on clubs like this and insearchofchicas, the pricing problem seems to be a little better.

BOTTOM LINE: If you are here to Monger, you must be prepared to pay by the hour or day for your encounters. If you want a girlfriend, you must be willing to deal with all the problems and living expenses that come with her. The latter takes a tremendous amount of energy, some luck and a good informant to keep you up to speed when you are not there. Many of these so-called girlfiends are stilling selling love although they are being cared for by some unsuspecting Gringo or Dominicano (Yes Dominicano).

For those who speak Spanish, the story of the Dominicanos suffering from betrayal at the hands of an unscrupulous & unfaithful Dominicana can be found in the music called Bacahata. Listening to this music will help you understand that this is not only a Gringo problem. When you take a poor country who has more available men then available women (CIA WORLD FACTBOOK) and then add in single male tourism, that's what you get. A core of women seeking opportunites by meeting tourist who visit periodically and enjoying the pleasures of their native men who sometimes share in their earning$$$.

ADVICE: Don't read into things too much. Stay lucid and open. most important ENJOY YOURSELF! :D


Ray

Don Tomas
04-28-2004, 10:22 AM
To be honest, I got the impression that there was something about you that put the chicas off. Perhaps it was just nervousness

Man I hadn't touched a women in five years, I am young but my life got destroyed five years ago! That definitely had something to do with it, also I never did shed my "Nice Guy Attitude". Had I gotten one of those girls that tell you they love you and want to spend the whole trip with you it would have been all over for me, I can't even imagine what would have happened if the bartender had fucked me, I would be the number one customer at Western Union right now. I hate to say it but I did tell her "Te Amo" but she didn't bite, oh well her loss.

Girls can read the hidden clues on me that scream SUCKER & DESPERATE! Not next time I will stay strong, haha who am I kidding.

I am shy, self conscience, have no ego, brought up in a female dominated household, and have had some great tragedies befall me in life. I cannot say No to a women, even the women here walk all over me, I loan/give more money to my roomate's girlfriend then he does! I was also a good little Catholic boy who before the DR had been with only 3 women in my life. I think I did very well considering my past.

Sorry guys I am not a true monger, more of a hopeless romantic.

the_Jayman
04-28-2004, 10:53 AM
Great report ! !

Tell it like it is.

El Tiburon
04-28-2004, 12:09 PM
Damn Don, I apologize about the way I answered your post in the Customs section. I did not realize it was you man! I am bad with remembering forum names. Please lets wipe that off of the slate if you can.

As far as your trip. I gotta say guys this guy came across very honestly about his adventures when I met him and an honest and sincere person. He made mistakes yes but you all would have been giving him high fives for Natalie. She was a true looker and for what he paid albeit over the top the first time was still arguably worth his money. The next encounters for what he paid, was actually a steal! Good on you Don and don't worry about your first trip. If you read my reports on the Boca Chica section on the "other board" you will see I made mistakes too. It comes with the territory.

Ok, some tips...

Do you research and come prepared when you visit another country, especially a third world country that you plan to monger in. Learn the pricing schemes the customs and what the do's and don'ts are from experienced mongers that have posted reports and/or have websites. I gotta disagree with Dominican Ray. NEVER EVER pay in US currency. Already you are being quoted over the top prices in your currency. I asked a girl how much for long time and she said $60 dollars. When I said "no, Peso" she said 2000 pesos. Already I am down about $19-20. I ended up getting 1500 pesos. You are more sophisticated than these girls, look up Oanda and find the latest currency rates and adjust accordingly. I don't care if the peso hits 55 I am paying at most 1k st, 2k lt for stunningly beautiful women.

HOLD YOUR GROUND. You are a male and a foreigner which equates two things. Percieved gullability and the "fact" that you are a male in a male dominated society, you call the shots AT ALL TIMES. The kind of balls you had with Dominican Ray's chica's actual boyfriend is the kind of balls you need to have at all times in the DR. Strangely though I am surprised that encounter with him did not escalate into something else. See what beer does to us? Sometimes it gives you the balls to do the things necessary and also gets you into shit that sometimes you are lucky to get out of. Remember, God looks out for drunks and fools! LOL

Something I remember from a website I saw eariler. When it comes to a price quote in a third world country for "barginable"goods (housing, women etc.) your first counter offer should EMBARASS. If not, you are quoting too much.

Put chicks to the "task". Ask for more but expect less, you will get middle ground and on occasion more or less, it evens out in the end this way.

Last suggestion, put your BADASS MOTHERFUCKER MODE TO ON and leave it there! Don't take any shit off anyone especially chicas and be prepared to walk away. You will have chicks chasing after you more often than not with the correct price and correct service that you come to the DR for.

Thanks for your report and I am jealous of Natalie and your airport encounter!

Travelfox

Vincent Vega
04-28-2004, 12:15 PM
Don Thomas

Hopefully this trip will help you to develop more confidence in yourself. At least know you know that whenever you have the airfare to the DR plus two or three days to spare, you can always get laid, even in the airport.

It is a GOOD thing that you still have a conscience. I don't really know if there is such a thing as a 'true monger' anyway. Are we supposed to believe that these guys who get every girl for 500 pesos, have perfect sex every time, and never look back are really well adusted, happy, successful leaders of their communities, or are they just lonely losers who get a kick out of having someone to boss around? Probably somewhere in the middle, for the most part.

I don't have any difficulty getting women who want to stay with me for the whole trip. Right now I have a novia, plus three on the waiting list, but that just brings its own problems. On my last trip I avoided the novia for 24 hours until she caught up with me, and then I was putty in her hands. Next time I go, I fantasize about the various girls I will screw, but more than likely I will just stick with the novia and put up with her whining when I look at other girls. Why would I let myself be pussy whipped in this way? Simply because even though the novia can be a pain in the ass, I am happy with her company 24 hours a day, not just when having sex. And at 52 years of age, sex a couple of times a day, or even one time once I am a few days into the trip, keeps me on an even keel, so there is a lot of time when I am not having sex. (Like you, I get as much of a kick out of my partner's orgasm as my own.) The fact that she is the best bed partner I have ever had also helps, because there is little likelihood of any other woman being better.

If you want a novia type who will stay with you for the whole trip, try to romance her a bit first before the sex. Difficult, I know, if you don't speak Spanish, but you can take her for lunch, a walk along the beach, or something. Also I good idea to preempt their requests for more gifts (regalos) by giving them something that they have not asked for--anything.

Shadow Dweller
04-28-2004, 12:31 PM
Hey Don,

Great report! I'll see you at the Palace in July. It will be my first out of the states mongering experience. The post above give great advice, in or out of the DR... Stick to your guns and Negotiate. After all you have what they want... $$$$.

SD

Don Tomas
04-28-2004, 06:43 PM
Travelfox: Yeah sorry I didn't mention you in my report. I met you Saturday morning between bringing my bartender out and grabbing Natalie for a grudge fuck. As for what's said on this board I rather have "to the point" comments then pussy footing around, no worries. I will definitely be stronger next time, well I hope I will be, like I said if the right girl finds me it's all over. As for overpaying Natalie the first time, that was due to the excessive time and the fact I was interrupted and went soft. "Nice Guy Tom" Also as far as the research I read it all, but when you are drunk or just plain horny you don't think straight. PS The things I forgot to pack: note cards with Spanish questions/phrases for negotiating with chicas, my Spanish-English dictionary, printed maps, my music CDs, a calculator, notepad/pen, swim trunks, and a couple other things.

Frans Hals: Yes I did get a big confidence boost, heck I never would have asked out the Cuban girl at work, now I have a dancing partner. By the way when I "asked" her I just said "We are going dancing this weekend since you always talk about your Spanish clubs and I can Merengue & Bachatta now." She just said sure we will go out dancing. And yes I am damn proud of the airport thing, maybe she just found me attractive, because if it was for the money then ALL OF YOU OVERPAID! :lol:

$5US=215RD

Dick Dawson
04-28-2004, 10:08 PM
Great report Don. There's one thing though that really bothers me though and that's the fact that the Customs guy was ready to take your condoms! This insanity has got to stop with the shakedowns. I'm planning on going for my first trip in June and I hope I don't experience that. You should report what happened to you to the Dominican consulate.

RickRock
05-29-2004, 04:27 PM
entertaining and informative post..

"I told him unless the Palace is on fire, I don’t give a fuck what he needs to talk to me." had me actually laughing out loud

Ive always flown into Punta Cana Airport because I have friends and and a few distant relatives in Higuey and never had a shakedown problem, but when the time comes @ POP in 2 weeks ill be ready for it.. "Cinco Dollares? Porque??"

Paz

Black Ghost
10-20-2004, 12:59 PM
im only to thursday and already have to say that this report is hurting me just to read ......i physically feel sick... :oops: but i havent finished so it may get better....... :roll: ..........Ok You Finished strong........but unsafe!
O.k. my $.02 I think your main problem was that even you had little spanish you completely played the role of a chicken so in turn whomever you were dealing with natrually took the opposite end of the spectrum and played the role of " El Tigre :twisted: " Your An American so have a lil pride next time. Just ask any one of the Legends on here and they'll tell you Once you cross that ocean into " The Island Of Love" you are either a Tigre or Food (i.e. chicken) What Role Will You Play Next Time?!?!

Anyone agree?

Don Tomas
10-20-2004, 01:08 PM
im only to thursday and already have to say that this report is hurting me just to read ......i physically feel sick... :oops: but i havent finished so it may get better....... :roll:

This was my first trip. Can you specify what is hurting you? I have learned a lot since my first trip.

WSJ3
10-20-2004, 01:37 PM
Casper:

I see you edited your post 5 times.
Try the delete button next time!

Can you feel the love tonight.

Everyone should have their morning coffee before posting...

LOL.

Don Tomas
10-20-2004, 01:43 PM
im only to thursday and already have to say that this report is hurting me just to read ......i physically feel sick... :oops: but i havent finished so it may get better....... :roll: ..........Ok You Finished strong........but unsafe!
O.k. my $.02 I think your main problem was that even you had little spanish you completely played the role of a chicken so in turn whomever you were dealing with natrually took the opposite end of the spectrum and played the role of " El Tigre :twisted: " Your An American so have a lil pride next time. Just ask any one of the Legends on here and they'll tell you Once you cross that ocean into " The Island Of Love" you are either a Tigre or Food (i.e. chicken) What Role Will You Play Next Time?!?!

Anyone agree?

Read my responses to the same issues you are bringing up that others did previously. I hadn't been with a girl in 5 years before this trip!

Based on my past I have come quite far in the last 9 months imho.

WSJ3
10-20-2004, 01:45 PM
im only to thursday and already have to say that this report is hurting me just to read ......i physically feel sick... :oops: but i havent finished so it may get better....... :roll: ..........Ok You Finished strong........but unsafe!
O.k. my $.02 I think your main problem was that even you had little spanish you completely played the role of a chicken so in turn whomever you were dealing with natrually took the opposite end of the spectrum and played the role of " El Tigre :twisted: " Your An American so have a lil pride next time. Just ask any one of the Legends on here and they'll tell you Once you cross that ocean into " The Island Of Love" you are either a Tigre or Food (i.e. chicken) What Role Will You Play Next Time?!?!

Anyone agree?

Read my responses to the same issues you are bringing up that others did previously. I hadn't been with a girl in 5 years before this trip!

Based on my past I have come quite far in the last 9 months imho.

A clear case of not RTFP

Black Ghost
10-20-2004, 01:46 PM
im only to thursday and already have to say that this report is hurting me just to read ......i physically feel sick... :oops: but i havent finished so it may get better....... :roll:

This was my first trip. Can you specify what is hurting you? I have learned a lot since my first trip.

The Way An American King Was Being Treated....That Hurts.
As For You And Your Evolution im Glad to hear you came a long way

WSJ3
10-20-2004, 01:48 PM
It took a ton of courage for Don Tomas to posts what transpired on his first trip to DR and we can all benefit and not repeat the mistakes of the Monger Vanguards.

Black Ghost
10-20-2004, 01:52 PM
I completely agree.... He's Got alot in that department.

Black Ghost
10-20-2004, 01:54 PM
im only to thursday and already have to say that this report is hurting me just to read ......i physically feel sick... :oops: but i havent finished so it may get better....... :roll: ..........Ok You Finished strong........but unsafe!
O.k. my $.02 I think your main problem was that even you had little spanish you completely played the role of a chicken so in turn whomever you were dealing with natrually took the opposite end of the spectrum and played the role of " El Tigre :twisted: " Your An American so have a lil pride next time. Just ask any one of the Legends on here and they'll tell you Once you cross that ocean into " The Island Of Love" you are either a Tigre or Food (i.e. chicken) What Role Will You Play Next Time?!?!

Anyone agree?

Read my responses to the same issues you are bringing up that others did previously. I hadn't been with a girl in 5 years before this trip!

Based on my past I have come quite far in the last 9 months imho.

A clear case of not RTFP

Sorry But his Post Moved me... :cry:

WSJ3
10-20-2004, 01:56 PM
im only to thursday and already have to say that this report is hurting me just to read ......i physically feel sick... :oops: but i havent finished so it may get better....... :roll: ..........Ok You Finished strong........but unsafe!
O.k. my $.02 I think your main problem was that even you had little spanish you completely played the role of a chicken so in turn whomever you were dealing with natrually took the opposite end of the spectrum and played the role of " El Tigre :twisted: " Your An American so have a lil pride next time. Just ask any one of the Legends on here and they'll tell you Once you cross that ocean into " The Island Of Love" you are either a Tigre or Food (i.e. chicken) What Role Will You Play Next Time?!?!

Anyone agree?

Read my responses to the same issues you are bringing up that others did previously. I hadn't been with a girl in 5 years before this trip!

Based on my past I have come quite far in the last 9 months imho.

A clear case of not RTFP

Sorry But his Post Moved me... :cry:

ROTFLMAO

This man feels deep for the pain of his fellow monger.

No hay problemo amigo.

JD
10-21-2004, 02:39 AM
Is it worth it to use Ray's service for someone who has been there several times?


JD

Jimmydr
10-21-2004, 08:17 AM
Is it worth it to use Ray's service for someone who has been there several times?


JD

Why would you need him, there are 2-3 hotels to choose from, 3-4 clubs to hit and a few car washes?

WSJ3
10-21-2004, 11:39 AM
Is it worth it to use Ray's service for someone who has been there several times?


JD

Why would you need him, there are 2-3 hotels to choose from, 3-4 clubs to hit and a few car washes?

It may be helpful to a newbie...

Gladiator
10-21-2004, 04:00 PM
I’ve just read Don Tomas report - I hadn’t read it before – and I think it is an interesting and honest report, a good contribution.

As Don Tomas points out at the beginning, he made all possible mistakes a newbie can make when mongering abroad for the first time, but he learnt from them, so those mistakes had at least a positive side: they were lessons.

In that good report we can see the unscrupulous ways in which third-world rats can take advantage of a good-natured and unsuspecting tourist: third-world rats will eat you alive if you don’t take the proper precautionary measures - by rats I mean the con hookers, the money-hungry hustlers, etc.

This is not just a Dominican phenomenon, this is an immutable law of nature across the third-world.

I don’t think Black Ghost was criticizing the post itself but the disgusting behaviour of the rats, trying to get their piece of meat at any cost from an easy prey.

As for JD’s question about using Ray’s service, you only need to read this report to realize how useless a guide can be.

To start with he is 45 minutes late to pick up Don Tomas at the airport – imagine waiting for 45 min in the heat after a long flight.

Then he introduces Don Tomas to 3 girls in Santiago.

The first one interrupts the bed fun at night because she says she’s tired and wants to sleep and runs away early in the morning even before DT has the time to fuck her goodbye. The damage is 1,500 pesos.

The second hardcore that DT meets thanks to Ray is even worse: 30 min into the fuck and she says she has to leave, DT gives her 1k and she demands 1.5k, and DT pays up to avoid trouble.

Finally, the third one behaves better but in the morning she tells DT a fairy tale so as to squeeze as much money as possible from him, he gives her 3k (!) and she still tries to squeeze a bit more by asking for a cell phone (with camera, of course, why not?).

Do you really need a fucking guide to introduce you to 3 con hardcores like these? Can you not make the mistake of picking them up on your own? I am sure that if DT had ventured out in Santiago on his own, even with no Spanish language skills, he’d have picked up better girls.

I was glad to read that DT had better luck later on in his trip in the holy city of Sosua, picking up chicks at the Palace and bars by himself.

Anyway, I’d say the moral of the story is basically to forget about useless guides and to be aware of third-world sharks.

Third-world sharks always smile at you, but remember that their smiles are not honest: they are the smiles of sharks.

Reel Deal
10-21-2004, 04:41 PM
Anyway, I’d say the moral of the story is basically to forget about useless guides and to be aware of third-world sharks.

Third-world sharks always smile at you, but remember that their smiles are not honest: they are the smiles of sharks.I disagree somewhat. A first trip to the Third World can be intimidating. I recall my first visit to the DR back in '88...I didn't know squat.

Having palled around for a week with DT in Sosua, Santiago, Santo Domingo, and places between, I saw first hand the lessons and contacts he made directly because of Dominican Ray. And while DT would agree that he doesn't need a guy like Ray now, he was invaluable for his first trip. I cannot blame Ray for the girls behavior, or for DT's self-proclaimed inexperience at the time.

For a young guy who's a rookie in mongering (especially in a strange new world), a good guide may have great value. While not for everyone, I can see the benefit for some.

Actually a thread of "who is a good guide/specialist in the DR" might be an informative one.

Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from fucking up. We're all part of that continuum somewhere.

milone
10-21-2004, 05:28 PM
Don, I am getting ready to read your report now, but I can imagine what it will be like, based on the replies here. I have bad news for you; YOU CAN'T CHANGE, and neither can I. You may be my brother. I am not sure of your age, but when you possess a personality like ours, we can't change. I'm 46, and my whole life, all I heard was, "I'm too nice." The other guy who played hard to get, or who treated the women like shit, scored. I have seen this time and time again. But, as much as we see it, I still treat them great from day one; respect, little gifts, always thinking of them, etc. Be careful; be very, very careful on your trips. You will fall in love. It's inevitable for guy's like us. After dealing with miserable women here, we are just too ripe when we go to D.R. After my divorce, I wasted time and money here, and couldn't score. I didn't want a white, divorced woman in her 40's with 2 kids. Priests had more sex than me. Then I went to D.R., and in 30 minutes, I'm in bed. Now for guy's like us, we will naturally hold on to that pussy, treat the girl like a lady, and help her due to her poverty. I had a contact, and was introduced to this girl. She was young, hot, and not so bright. I gave her coin; sure, why not? Then when I returned, I sent money to help, but I also went back and she was waiting for 5 more days of action. I still manged to get away one day to meet up with my friend, and get hooked up with others. I could not fall in love with this one. On my next trip, I planned to go mongering, but my years of experience (people), allowed me to scope out a nice 'working' girl. You wouldn't know it by the way she carried herself. Four days of bliss, but a few days to see my friends as planned, with more 'hookups'.
This was followed by another trip, but I got the one solo day out of the way first, then 5 more days of bliss with her. Now my next trip will be 7 days of pure bliss; the 2 of us; sex anytime I want, etc. Yes, I fell in love with her; it's immpossible not to. Not 1 complaint, never a drop in patience, always what I want to do, what I want to eat, etc., etc. Young, pretty, smart, nice family. Driven to the 'working' girl life due to a sick kid (don't laugh - confirmed), a dirt poor family, and no responsible husband. Blame your Mom for bringing you up this way. I've become a little tougher than you; simply beacuse I'm older, or have been scammed before. Don't feel bad. You are still getting a bargain compared to the U.S., and your money is usually going to a good cause. Continue to treat them right. Sure, sometimes I cry when I read the real Monger posts and wish I can be like them. Heck, I wanted to screw 100 Chicas on that trip, but couldn't toss the first one aside, and grab another. How could I do that to her? Think about that. SHit, it's the same as when we're here, and I wouldn't even dare disrespect the girl I'm with by looking at another women; eevn though the girl is just my friend!!! Now, my advice to you would be to avoid the sharks. Simply go to Blackbeards, where the prices are already set and capped; no negotiation necessary. ALl you need can be met there. Bar, pool, jacuzzi, beach, restaurant, Chicas. Choose a girl for a short stay. If you like her, you can stay with her; if not choose another; they understand. Last thing, it's funny. I have no time or patience for women in the U.S. now after my D.R. trips. Girls that I would have chased, and girls whose asses I would have kissed; I ignore now. It's funny; they can't handle it; it kills them. Search my name on this site or WSA, and read my post about marrying a Chica, or my reasons for not negotiating, and you will be looking in the mirror.

gdogg
10-21-2004, 05:33 PM
mmilone,

I've been ignoring the stateside chicas myself since my return. They all now ring my phone off the hook (even more so than before). You're probably having the same "problem".
:lol:

Reel Deal
10-21-2004, 05:51 PM
mmilone

Trust me: DT knows the score in the DR. He's a helluva nice guy, but "nice" does not mean "sucker".

Black Ghost
10-21-2004, 07:29 PM
mmilone

Trust me: DT knows the score in the DR. He's a helluva nice guy, but "nice" does not mean "sucker".

So true! :lol: :twisted:

RearWindow
10-22-2004, 12:21 AM
Don, I am getting ready to read your report now, but I can imagine what it will be like, based on the replies here. I have bad news for you; YOU CAN'T CHANGE, and neither can I. You may be my brother. I am not sure of your age, but when you possess a personality like ours, we can't change. I'm 46, and my whole life, all I heard was, "I'm too nice." The other guy who played hard to get, or who treated the women like shit, scored. I have seen this time and time again. But, as much as we see it, I still treat them great from day one; respect, little gifts, always thinking of them, etc. Be careful; be very, very careful on your trips. You will fall in love. It's inevitable for guy's like us. After dealing with miserable women here, we are just too ripe when we go to D.R. After my divorce, I wasted time and money here, and couldn't score. I didn't want a white, divorced woman in her 40's with 2 kids. Priests had more sex than me. Then I went to D.R., and in 30 minutes, I'm in bed. Now for guy's like us, we will naturally hold on to that pussy, treat the girl like a lady, and help her due to her poverty. I had a contact, and was introduced to this girl. She was young, hot, and not so bright. I gave her coin; sure, why not? Then when I returned, I sent money to help, but I also went back and she was waiting for 5 more days of action. I still manged to get away one day to meet up with my friend, and get hooked up with others. I could not fall in love with this one. On my next trip, I planned to go mongering, but my years of experience (people), allowed me to scope out a nice 'working' girl. You wouldn't know it by the way she carried herself. Four days of bliss, but a few days to see my friends as planned, with more 'hookups'.
This was followed by another trip, but I got the one solo day out of the way first, then 5 more days of bliss with her. Now my next trip will be 7 days of pure bliss; the 2 of us; sex anytime I want, etc. Yes, I fell in love with her; it's immpossible not to. Not 1 complaint, never a drop in patience, always what I want to do, what I want to eat, etc., etc. Young, pretty, smart, nice family. Driven to the 'working' girl life due to a sick kid (don't laugh - confirmed), a dirt poor family, and no responsible husband. Blame your Mom for bringing you up this way. I've become a little tougher than you; simply beacuse I'm older, or have been scammed before. Don't feel bad. You are still getting a bargain compared to the U.S., and your money is usually going to a good cause. Continue to treat them right. Sure, sometimes I cry when I read the real Monger posts and wish I can be like them. Heck, I wanted to screw 100 Chicas on that trip, but couldn't toss the first one aside, and grab another. How could I do that to her? Think about that. SHit, it's the same as when we're here, and I wouldn't even dare disrespect the girl I'm with by looking at another women; eevn though the girl is just my friend!!! Now, my advice to you would be to avoid the sharks. Simply go to Blackbeards, where the prices are already set and capped; no negotiation necessary. ALl you need can be met there. Bar, pool, jacuzzi, beach, restaurant, Chicas. Choose a girl for a short stay. If you like her, you can stay with her; if not choose another; they understand. Last thing, it's funny. I have no time or patience for women in the U.S. now after my D.R. trips. Girls that I would have chased, and girls whose asses I would have kissed; I ignore now. It's funny; they can't handle it; it kills them. Search my name on this site or WSA, and read my post about marrying a Chica, or my reasons for not negotiating, and you will be looking in the mirror.`

This is out of my travel area (SD/BC) but the sentiments you put into this posting are so dead on for me it is scary!! The most telling was the US women comment. I have NO patience for the tired game here any longer. There are a few that I bag every now and then, but they hold no long term interest for me. And I AM looking in that mirror. Great thoughts.

cremaconpalo
10-22-2004, 12:38 AM
I second the motion, RW. Good post , mmilone.

RearWindow
10-22-2004, 12:41 AM
Anyway, I’d say the moral of the story is basically to forget about useless guides and to be aware of third-world sharks.

Third-world sharks always smile at you, but remember that their smiles are not honest: they are the smiles of sharks.I disagree somewhat. A first trip to the Third World can be intimidating. I recall my first visit to the DR back in '88...I didn't know squat.

Having palled around for a week with DT in Sosua, Santiago, Santo Domingo, and places between, I saw first hand the lessons and contacts he made directly because of Dominican Ray. And while DT would agree that he doesn't need a guy like Ray now, he was invaluable for his first trip. I cannot blame Ray for the girls behavior, or for DT's self-proclaimed inexperience at the time.

For a young guy who's a rookie in mongering (especially in a strange new world), a good guide may have great value. While not for everyone, I can see the benefit for some.

Actually a thread of "who is a good guide/specialist in the DR" might be an informative one.

Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from fucking up. We're all part of that continuum somewhere.

My first trip to Dr was a total fuck job. Went to visit what was the "Babylon Resort" scam. Got to SDQ, no driver, so much for my first nite in a third world country . Made some unanswered called and was high and dry at SDQ. One of the "taxi" guys takes me to Hotel Hamilton in BC. (which they always do) and i stayed there for two nites, and eventually got my chicas. What i learned was NEVER to rely on anyone in DR. Not my novias, amigos, anyone. It is ALL on YOU, my friends.

Black Ghost
10-22-2004, 12:56 AM
I don’t think Black Ghost was criticizing the post itself but the disgusting behaviour of the rats, trying to get their piece of meat at any cost from an easy prey.

Thats Exactly it!

Gladiator,( a.k.a. GLAD HE ATE HER..lol j/k)

You Need To stop fronting and write a goddam book :idea: for real we need your insite. :wink:

Macky
10-22-2004, 11:06 AM
Don Tomas

It did indeed take a lot of courage for you to write that report while including the mishaps. I think a lot of guys leave that sort of stuff out, because they don't want to be open to ridicule and criticism. As a newbie I made all of the mistakes you made and more. After a while I found that it doesn't take much to cut down on the chica bullshit, just behave in a very 'in control' manner, from start to finish. From the time that you step out of the door of your hotel and walk down the street. For lack of a better word, play it in the macho mode. You now have experience and know your way around so it will be easy for you to do this. Be a gentleman, but remember that to the chicas, 'real nice guy' equals 'weak'. I don't write this as some sort of guru, but on the contrary as someone who went through the same trials as you did.

Reflecting on how the hobby has changed me, I have to agree with the guys who have made the observation that many of us start out in the hobby at a disadvantage, that is we have been conditioned to kiss the ass of american women in order to avoid trouble. After a year in the hobby, I am sure that I have become totally unsuitable as a mate for an american woman, simply because I have learned not to take any shit from a woman--- absolutely none. And applying this to the hobby, I think you might be amazed at how maintaining that attitude will not detract from your experience with a chica, in fact you will get along with them much better. You will be behaving in a way that they expect, and they will show you more respect.

Don Tomas
10-22-2004, 11:51 AM
Honestly I decided to post because I did make mistakes and hoped people would learn from them. Though I did have a least one or two successes!

I am very well read but my problem comes from applying my knowledge. I am still learning...as we all are.

WSJ3
10-22-2004, 12:27 PM
Honestly I decided to post because I did make mistakes and hoped people would learn from them. Though I did have a least one or two successes!

I am very well read but my problem comes from applying my knowledge. I am still learning...as we all are.

Hell I wish I had read your article before I took my first trip to DR over 10 years ago...

It would have saved me a ton of headaches.

Black Ghost
10-22-2004, 01:49 PM
Honestly I decided to post because I did make mistakes and hoped people would learn from them. Though I did have a least one or two successes!

I am very well read but my problem comes from applying my knowledge. I am still learning...as we all are.

Hell I wish I had read your article before I took my first trip to DR over 10 years ago...

It would have saved me a ton of headaches.

And Because of all the Senpai's us Kohia's have always hit the ground running...........Bow Thank You Don, Wsj3, contenetal, rear :wink: , and of course jimmy
Sorry all that i know i have left out

Macky
10-22-2004, 02:51 PM
Don

You did indeed have some sucesses, and it sounds as if that is the way it started to go after you got out on your own and away from the 'help' of the guide. Some of those guys I just can't figure out. If they want repeat business and referrals, why don't they help instead of hinder? I used a guide out of BB one time, the guy would lie when the truth would do.

Anyway, as far as our newbie mistakes and mishaps are concerned, I can tell you that for me at least, those stories are now the funniest and most interesting ones for me to tell to my buddies. I can tell chica stories that took place later in my history where nothing really went wrong, and there is not as much to say. Rather routine. But with some of the newbie mishap stories I have them rolling around on the floor.

Black Ghost
10-26-2004, 04:45 PM
Ya'll Dont even know the half of it. Don Is a P.I..M.P now!!!! 8)