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[Dark Knight]

Ivy League Prof Faces Child Sex Charges

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060829/D8JQAR205.html
Aug 29, 5:11 PM (ET)

By DAN ROBRISH

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PHILADELPHIA (AP) - An Ivy League professor has been arrested for the third time in 11 years on child sex charges, in this case over video that allegedly shows him engaging in sex acts with boys.
Because of the charges, L. Scott Ward, a professor emeritus at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business, was being stripped of his teaching assignments, spokeswoman Lori N. Doyle said Tuesday.
"We have made arrangements to ensure that he will not be teaching at the Wharton School or elsewhere at the University this semester and he will not teach at Penn in the future," Doyle said of the retired professor.
Ward, 63, was arrested Sunday after arriving at Washington's Dulles airport on a flight from Brazil, federal authorities said. He drew the attention of federal agents because of his unusual number of trips to Thailand, a destination for people seeking sex with minors, according to an affidavit released Monday.
Agents examined his laptop computer and found a video showing two children who looked to be as young as 8 engaged in sexual activity, authorities alleged in the affidavit. Agents also found video recordings of Ward involved in sex acts with boys who look to be about 14 to 16, the affidavit said.
Ward appeared in federal court Monday in Alexandria, Va., and was being held pending charges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Dean Boyd said.
Ward's attorney, federal public defender Meghan Skelton, declined to comment Tuesday.
In 1995, a jury acquitted Ward of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse and deadlocked on other charges after his lawyer showed a videotape of the main witness appearing to try to extort a bribe from the defendant.
In 1999, Ward was accused of soliciting sex from a 23-year-old undercover state trooper posing as a 15-year-old boy. He entered an Alford plea, which means he pleaded guilty while not admitting he committed the crimes of attempting to promote prostitution and corrupt minors. He said he was innocent but made the plea to avoid another trial. He was fined $2,500 and given five years of probation.

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[SJG]

Personally, I don't care if they are watching me, in fact, I'd be concerned if they where not making, at the very least, cursory looks at anyone who makes frequent trips in and out of the country.

If they guy was having sex with adult men, I doubt there would be a problem, and there shouldn't be. Anyone that has sex with children, male or female, deserves to be caught, publicly embarassed, and sent to jail.

If I where in that guys position (or any of us), they would have checked my hard drive and found pics of naked, adult females and I would have been sent on my way. Probably with one of the agents where he could find such fine chicas.

Also, don't assume the govt. doesn't monitor sites like this one....

[mirage6]

i agree that is ridicous having sex with a minor boy he deserves what he gets sick people in this world and i have to agree if it was an adult he would not be watched

[PapiQueRico]

I wouldn't be so comfortable with customs checking out pictures and video. Go prove that the 18 year old licking your balls is really 18 while you are at customs in JFK or Houston.

[knotty]

they can go right ahead and check me. we're losing our rights everyday to the gov't. this is just part of it. They can check my camera because everyone is over 18, and consented. Sick bastards like that need to be caught.

[Beads]

thats the only problem. they might not realize your hotel checks their id. so any chicas that might be just 18 or 19 and look young could bring you into a heap of hot water. If they are intent on you proving some chicas age how will you?

[MisterPink]

Keep everything on a portable USB drive or encrypt your files.

[PapiQueRico]

ultimately the onus is on them to prove the girls age, but by that time you'd be fucked anyway.

[Beads]

ultimately the onus is on them to prove the girls age, but by that time you'd be fucked anyway.

good luck if they consider it pornography and you live in the us they can ask you for 2257 compliance and then youll be in some hot water.

[guttaman]

Sounds like this guy was on the radar as a pedo. With 2 priors and frequent travel to kiddyland countries it was a gimme. Once a lady at customs commented on the amount of trips i took to the DR. I told her my girlfriend lives there and it was cheaper than marrying her and bringing her to the states. She was not amused.

[Apos]

thats the only problem. they might not realize your hotel checks their id. so any chicas that might be just 18 or 19 and look young could bring you into a heap of hot water. If they are intent on you proving some chicas age how will you?i take a clear pic of the chica's cedula and keep it as a record. assuming it is actually her cedula i'd think that would do the trick.

[Cman]

are you crazy
this sick bastard was having sex with children.
no chicas or putas or what ever you call them but children don't compare me to that sick son of a bitch don't even put me on the same level , i conside that an insult .

[guttaman]

are you crazy
this sick bastard was having sex with children.
no chicas or putas or what ever you call them but children don't compare me to that sick son of a bitch don't even put me on the same level , i conside that an insult .

I believe what the OP is trying to say is that many of us travel solo several times a year to the DR and other sex tourist spots. Unfortunately there are some diddlers out there so it makes us all suspect. It is called profiling. No one is saying you are doing anything off base but what the OP is saying is you may be profiled.

[Cman]

i understand the statement but there is nothing to hide (well i don't have a wife) i have travel to other contry alot and pick woman all over the world ( not true) but went some one pick a newspaper pieces like this to remind me of what and doing there is something wrong there is other ways to say this and other paper don't pick something of this magnitude to profiled me or any bodys identity

[guttaman]

Say what ???????????

[WSJ3]

Dude if you travel to places where child prostitution is common you deserve the slap...

Hell with that Jon Benei case fresh in the medias mind this is going to be the reaction of Home Land Security...

Doesn't surprise me one bit.


Ivy League Prof Faces Child Sex Charges

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060829/D8JQAR205.html
Aug 29, 5:11 PM (ET)

By DAN ROBRISH

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PHILADELPHIA (AP) - An Ivy League professor has been arrested for the third time in 11 years on child sex charges, in this case over video that allegedly shows him engaging in sex acts with boys.
Because of the charges, L. Scott Ward, a professor emeritus at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business, was being stripped of his teaching assignments, spokeswoman Lori N. Doyle said Tuesday.
"We have made arrangements to ensure that he will not be teaching at the Wharton School or elsewhere at the University this semester and he will not teach at Penn in the future," Doyle said of the retired professor.
Ward, 63, was arrested Sunday after arriving at Washington's Dulles airport on a flight from Brazil, federal authorities said. He drew the attention of federal agents because of his unusual number of trips to Thailand, a destination for people seeking sex with minors, according to an affidavit released Monday.
Agents examined his laptop computer and found a video showing two children who looked to be as young as 8 engaged in sexual activity, authorities alleged in the affidavit. Agents also found video recordings of Ward involved in sex acts with boys who look to be about 14 to 16, the affidavit said.
Ward appeared in federal court Monday in Alexandria, Va., and was being held pending charges, Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Dean Boyd said.
Ward's attorney, federal public defender Meghan Skelton, declined to comment Tuesday.
In 1995, a jury acquitted Ward of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse and deadlocked on other charges after his lawyer showed a videotape of the main witness appearing to try to extort a bribe from the defendant.
In 1999, Ward was accused of soliciting sex from a 23-year-old undercover state trooper posing as a 15-year-old boy. He entered an Alford plea, which means he pleaded guilty while not admitting he committed the crimes of attempting to promote prostitution and corrupt minors. He said he was innocent but made the plea to avoid another trial. He was fined $2,500 and given five years of probation.

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[WSJ3]

I wouldn't be so comfortable with customs checking out pictures and video. Go prove that the 18 year old licking your balls is really 18 while you are at customs in JFK or Houston.

ROTFLMAO

I would have a hard time proving that a chica tossingmySalad was 20...

I think we should start each porno with a pic of the chicas cedula.

That way Customs can say SHITE!!!!

[Dark Knight]

I think we should be telling our government, in general, that we will be secure in our persons and effects. We should make it clear that it is none of their business what is on our hard drives and we will not allow them to look.

If every American citizen, everywhere simply didn't allow it, they wouldn't be able to do it. We should never answer any questions about where we have been or what we have been doing while outside of the US. That's none of their business either.

If we present a united front, we can stop all of this foolishness. If not, there is absolutely no limit to what they will do, as we have already seen.


First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.

A poem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poem) attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller) (1892-1984) about the quiescence of German intellectuals following the Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism) rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.



ROTFLMAO

I would have a hard time proving that a chica tossingmySalad was 20...

I think we should start each porno with a pic of the chicas cedula.

That way Customs can say SHITE!!!!

[Dark Knight]

That was just a witch hunt. Even they say he didn't do it. And they never had any evidence that he did, except his own statements, that didn't make any sense. However, they will use that as an excuse to violate, demean and degrade everyone who travels to another country for as long as we continue to allow them to do it. Which will probably be forever as whimpy as we are.

The only thing they have ever said that he did was have pictures on his computer back in 2001. What is on his computer is absolutely no one's business unless he chooses to make it so.

I think he was just tiring of Asia and wanted to return to the states but didn't want to buy a ticket. He told them what he had to, to get a free ride. No one ever thought he was guilty of that particular crime.

What he didn't know, or figure, was that he will now be a registered sex offender and under supervision for the rest of his life. He will never again be able to leave the country for any reason. He won't be able to live most places, or have most jobs. All of this because of a series of 0's and 1's (which he didn't even create) on his computer several years ago.


Dude if you travel to places where child prostitution is common you deserve the slap...
Hell with that Jon Benei case fresh in the medias mind this is going to be the reaction of Home Land Security...

Doesn't surprise me one bit.

[jake6212]

Without the hard drive, they may not have nailed the Pedophile. I don't think it is foolish at all. There are thousands of Pedophiles in the world, so I am glad they used his hard drive to fry him. If you carry something illegal on your hard drive, then you pay the price. Period.

[jake6212]

Witch hunt! You are joking, right. Not only did the guy claim to have killed Jon Bonet, but he fled the country after skipping court on a sex abuse related charge. The guy is a menance. In addition, you have to be nuts if you think he wanted to leave Asia. He just got a job teaching CHILDREN. He was like a kid (sick one) in a candy store. Oh yea...and those were not just pictures, pictures of children.

[Dark Knight]

The charges in California were misdemeanor posession. Yes, they are alleged to have been of children. He was not known to have actually molested any child. I'm still trying to figure out how and why they're extraditing him from Colorado to California. California doesn't extradite for misdemeanors from neighboring Arizona or Nevada, and often not for felonies either. It's a waste of time and money.

And it wouldn't surprise me if they just don't bother to show up. They have until a certain date to come get him, or he is automatically released. If the media would go away, they wouldn't bother with any of this at all.

They knew he didn't have anything to do with Jon Benet from the start. They couldn't place him there physically, and his DNA didn't match initially. The judge who issued that warrant should be stripped of his vestments. There was not any scent of probably cause in any way. As such, it was a witch hunt. They were looking for something that they already knew wasn't there.

And the State of Colorado should never get another red cent of federal law enforcement money. After spending more than $10,000 to bring a man from half way around the world, whom they knew to be innocent of the alleged crime, they can't ever be trusted with another dime. All citizens should withold all further taxes to the state.

Yes, he does have a degree in elementary education and had acquired a job in his field of education. However, his history is not to stay in any job long. There is a great deal of evidence that he is simply a very poor teacher.

It wouldn't be a stretch to see that he was quite apprehensive about that job and didn't believe he would stay long anyway. And he had been communicating with the journalism professor, telling him juicy tidbits, for quite awhile before he acquired this job. He had been searching for a position for some time.

There is also a great deal of evidence that his reasoning processes are not what might be expected. It's possible, but certainly not a certainty, that he would rather return to the US as a famous person, than be summarily dismissed, from yet another position, as an incompetent nobody.

Of course, things about what he was thinking, or what he would have done next, are purely speculative. However, it is not at all speculative that they are using this as, yet another, excuse to violate everyone's privacy and security in personal posessions.

Like I said, what's is on any of our hard drives is none of their business. Where we travel is none of their business. And what we do when we travel is none of their business. We should never allow ourselves to be violate in that way.


Witch hunt! You are joking, right. Not only did the guy claim to have killed Jon Bonet, but he fled the country after skipping court on a sex abuse related charge. The guy is a menance. In addition, you have to be nuts if you think he wanted to leave Asia. He just got a job teaching CHILDREN. He was like a kid (sick one) in a candy store. Oh yea...and those were not just pictures, pictures of children.

[SJG]

This is all very simple for me. Travel with laptop, go to place with wireless internet access, upload pics of chicas covered with my jizz, use Windows Washer to remove said pics from my hard drive and SD card (3 times the NSA standard for deleting data), nothing for customs to see if they want to look at my computer (except for the regular legal porn movies on my HD).

It's a fine line between personal liberty and the safety of others. In our current world, our freedoms are being eroded on a daily basis in the name of "national security" and "preventing terrorism". But, personally, when it comes to pedophiles, I don't mind giving up some of my personal freedom in order to catch these disgusting deviants. I don't believe in slippery slopes, I believe in due diligence and exposure of abuses our sacrifice of certain personal freedoms for the greater good.

[PapiQueRico]

"If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."

[Dark Knight]

There are many, perhaps most, who would say that our mongering is Deviant, perverted, disgusting, etc. They have even passed laws against it in many places. Technically, going to another state or country for the purpose of sex tourism is illegal.

We simply ignore those people and laws and claim personal liberty. We should extend the same to everyone. We, of all groups of people, should not be allowing them to get away with invading anyone's privacy. It is NEVER right to give up rights and liberties, so that someone else may be caught for something innocuous.

Posessing any images that someone else took is NOT wrong unless they are stolen. It may be illegal, but not too many years ago, it was illegal to teach black people how to read. In some states, having sex with someone of a different race is still illegal and there are those who think it's still wrong and would be willing to open up their bedroom doors to a security force who would make sure that there is no race mixing.

Our government has gone power crazy, plain and simple. They first started taking away constitutional guarantees citing the proliferation of drugs. When some people said that drugs were not as bad as being invaded, the CIA then blew up those buildings, claiming terrorists. It took some years, but a few people woke up finally and began to balk at the invasion related to terrorism. They then went all the way to Thailand to kidnap an innocent (although admittedly kookie) man to parade in front of the media as an excuse to burgle our lives and property, citing pedophilia.

For some reason, we refuse to look at the pattern, and stop it. Everytime they trot out a new boogie man, we rush to give up our very souls. Then come to regret it later. But that never stops us from doing it again the next time.

Trust me on this, gentlemen, we are next on the list. If we don't unite and stand up to stop this now, there will be no one left to stand for us. Sacrificing personal liberty and privacy is NEVER for the public good, but rather to the public detriment.

By the way, they monitor all internet traffic now. You can't do anything online without them knowing it. Somewhere, the NSA has a copy of every image that you have uploaded or downloaded.

And if you try to encript it, they have made a law for themselves that they must be given the key to all encription programs. If you create an encription yourself for which they don't have the key, they do an extraordinaty rendition on your ass to torture the key out of you.


This is all very simple for me. Travel with laptop, go to place with wireless internet access, upload pics of chicas covered with my jizz, use Windows Washer to remove said pics from my hard drive and SD card (3 times the NSA standard for deleting data), nothing for customs to see if they want to look at my computer (except for the regular legal porn movies on my HD).

It's a fine line between personal liberty and the safety of others. In our current world, our freedoms are being eroded on a daily basis in the name of "national security" and "preventing terrorism". But, personally, when it comes to pedophiles, I don't mind giving up some of my personal freedom in order to catch these disgusting deviants. I don't believe in slippery slopes, I believe in due diligence and exposure of abuses our sacrifice of certain personal freedoms for the greater good.

[jake6212]

Sounds like someone with something to hide.

[Cman]

I'm sorry if i don't see or understand the reason you feel that the arrest of this pervert is a signal or a beacon for any of us . if any body is having sex with children he should have his dick cut off and standing united with something like this is sick


tell me who you are with and i will tell you who you are ?

my grandmother may her soul rest in peace.

[WSJ3]

Well I think we have discussed this ad nasium...

Some good points have been made, but lets move on gentlemen.