immigration posts

[MrHappy]

Don't make me cry... ;) Seriously, thank you very much. Actually getting started on this was easy, it was the process of doing it and carrying through during the tough times that was extremely stressful. Its still stressful here and at the same time it is a place guys can have a great time and go out 7 days a week... Now I apprecate so much that I never did back the states such as clean water, reliable electicity...actually reliable everything...and competency... From now on let the good times continue!!! I want to be like Robert when I grow young...


Um.. do you already have your residency and cedula? If you don't, you may be leaving sooner than you think.....

You too, Robert.... Weyland... Rick......... they are getting ready to really clamp down on that crap. I got a warning letter at the free Zone the other day, and it's in the news almost every day.

[Seville]

Um.. do you already have your residency and cedula? If you don't, you may be leaving sooner than you think.....

You too, Robert.... Weyland... Rick......... they are getting ready to really clamp down on that crap. I got a warning letter at the free Zone the other day, and it's in the news almost every day.

Just a plan to complicate my life here.:(

[WickedWillie]

Um.. do you already have your residency and cedula? If you don't, you may be leaving sooner than you think.....

You too, Robert.... Weyland... Rick......... they are getting ready to really clamp down on that crap. I got a warning letter at the free Zone the other day, and it's in the news almost every day.

Ya think anyone paid attention 6 months ago?????

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/showthread.php?378945-New-DR-immigration-laws&highlight=immigration

[uncle ruckus]

If you have any type of money invested in the DR, better get legalized ASAP. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that a well connected local who sees an opportunity can bribe some official to have an expat without papers arrested and evicted from the country.

[Seville]

If you have any type of money invested in the DR, better get legalized ASAP. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that a well connected local who sees an opportunity can bribe some official to have an expat without papers arrested and evicted from the country.

Fortunately I am a poor gringo.

[MrHappy]

Ya think anyone paid attention 6 months ago?????

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/showthread.php?378945-New-DR-immigration-laws&highlight=immigration

Do you think anyone is paying attention now?

Even the folks are DR1 are getting nervous. (not that it takes a lot)

And Ruck is right, I've seen it happen many times..

[TNT72]

Do you think anyone is paying attention now?

Even the folks are DR1 are getting nervous. (not that it takes a lot)

And Ruck is right, I've seen it happen many times..


hmmmmmmm.

um, ohmmm, did you remember to get your papers?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[WickedWillie]

Do you think anyone is paying attention now?

Even the folks are DR1 are getting nervous. (not that it takes a lot)

And Ruck is right, I've seen it happen many times..

Yup, cause it seems the last 6 months window of opportunity for easy residency has finally just been closed. I spoke to an immigration attorny today, she confirmed that no new initial residency applications can be processed. Tough tits on those who have kept their heads up their asses. Expect those planes back to various motherlands to be full.

[MrHappy]

Yup, cause it seems the last 6 months window of opportunity for easy residency has finally just been closed. I spoke to an immigration attorny today, she confirmed that no new initial residency applications can be processed. Tough tits on those who have kept their heads up their asses. Expect those planes back to various motherlands to be full.

Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense, but it looks like that's what's coming.

I'm glad I just renewed mine for 4 years a few months ago.

I was shooting for 10, but the cute little girl I know that works there told me I missed it by a couple of weeks.

Had I renewed when I was supposed to, I would have been in like flint. But at least now, I don't have to worry until 2016..... I hope.

[hugrad95a]

So what happens if you can't get residency. Do you get on a plane and then come back again.

[SeaWeed]

So what happens if you can't get residency. Do you get on a plane and then come back again.

that is how it works at mi favorite country.....you can stay 3 months and renew for 3 but then you have to leave....then come back
wouldn't be surprised if that's the same with the DR now.........does Roberto have residency?

[TNT72]

I heard that if you make a run up to Haiti, and back to the DR, that stamp entering the DR means quite a bit!

[SeaWeed]

I heard that if you make a run up to Haiti, and back to the DR, that stamp entering the DR means quite a bit!
didn't even think of that.....you don't even need to jump on a plane....
Roberto will love going to Haiti....maybe he won't even want to leave......lmao

[Count]

I don't get the economics behind these new residency rules. How does the DR economy win if expats have to head home?

Can someone give that answer?

[WickedWillie]

I don't get the economics behind these new residency rules. How does the DR economy win if expats have to head home?

Can someone give that answer?

The only ex-pats that will have to head home permanently are the ones that do not meet the supposed new residency requirements. My comment about planeloads heading back to their motherlands may have inadvertently misled you.

Apparently for those seeking residency status from now on it will be a requirement to have a pre-approved residency visa issued only at the Dominican Republic embassy/consulate in ones home country. All the many gringos that have been in the DR long term only on a tourist visa will now have to return to their native countries to achieve this, hence my comment.

[daddyooo]

Residence Visa



Download
Visa Application Form in English, to fill by hand (http://consuladord.com/en/Formulario_Solicitud_Visado_english.pdf)

DESCRIPTION

Visas for the purpose of requesting
residency are issued for travelers whose intention is to establish in the
Dominican Republic permanently. They are valid for one entry within 60 days of
issue. Once in the Dominican Republic, the beneficiary of this visa must visit
the Department of Migration within the 60 day period to apply for a provisional
residence permit and complete additional local requirements.
REQUIREMENTS






Visa Form filled and completed in type or clearly printed.
One (1) frontal picture size 2 x 2 inches, with a white
background.
Original passport valid for at least the duration of the
requested visa or longer.
Medical Certificate showing a diagnosis of the overall
health of the applicant, indicating if he or she suffers from any contagious
disease. It must be issued by the health authorities of the country in which the
person resides at the time of application. This document must be notarized,
translated into Spanish and both the original and the translation Apostilled.
Alternatively, once the original document is Apostilled it can be sent for
translation by the Consular Section (see
translation services).
Criminal Record Certificate issued by the appropriate
authorities of the country in which the person resides at the time of
application. This document must be notarized, translated into Spanish and both
the original and the translation Apostilled. Alternatively, once the original
document is Apostilled it can be sent for translation by the Consular Section
(see translation services). Not
required for minors.
In the case of minors, permission of the parents or
guardian when the applicant is not the mother or the father. If the
child is not to be accompanied into the country by both parents, it is required
that the parent who is not in the Dominican Republic authorizes the other parent
to move with the child permanently to the Dominican Republic. This document must
be notarized, translated into Spanish and both the original and the translation
Apostilled. Alternatively, once the original document is Apostilled it can be
sent for translation by the Consular Section (see
translation services).
Legible photocopy of National Identity Document of the
country of nationality and legible photocopy of the Residence
Card if residing in a second country.
Birth Certificate. This document must be notarized,
translated into Spanish and both the original and the translation Apostilled.
Alternatively, once the original document is Apostilled it can be sent for
translation by the Consular Section (see
translation services).
Marriage Certificate. This document must be notarized,
translated into Spanish and both the original and the translation Apostilled.
Alternatively, once the original document is Apostilled it can be sent for
translation by the Consular Section (see
translation services). Dominican marriage certificates must have been
issued within the past six (6) months by the nearest office of the Central
Electoral Board (Junta Central Electoral). A photocopy of the National Identity
Document of the spouse of Dominican origin or if a legal resident a copy of the
permanent residence card of the spouse must be attached.
Notarized Letter of Guarantee. Signed by a Dominican or a
legal resident alien in the Dominican Republic specifying the type of
relationship with the beneficiary of the visa. Also, the guarantor certifies to
the Dominican authorities to undertake any expenses incurred on account of the
visa beneficiary. The guarantor remains financially committed in the event that
deportation is required if the recipient should violate the Dominican law. This
letter of guarantee must be signed by a notary of the Dominican Republic and
legalized by the Attorney General's Office of the Dominican Republic.
Documents showing the applicant's financial solvency. All
documents must be issued for the applicant and NOT the guarantor. These
documents may include as applicable:




a) Letter from Bank: updated with details of the account
balance
b) Copies of certificates of titles of property (must present the
original)
c) Registration of established companies,
d) Copy of the last tax return
e) Copy of Financial Certificates
f) Letter of
employment or proof of pension



Visa application letter from the beneficiary
addressed to the Consular Section containing name, nationality, place of
residence and occupation, as well as information on reasons for seeking to
establish in the country (Of Dominican origin, child of a Dominican, Dominican
spouse, as pensioner, or investor).

PROCESSING TIME

Between 10 and 15
working days depending on date of travel, prior requests and staff

availability.

FEE US$125.00

[bk8987m]

Wow... these are some tough requirements. I would think especially tough is the Letter of Guarantee.

[hugrad95a]

Damn are they trying to rid the island of expat gringos

[MrHappy]

Damn are they trying to rid the island of expat gringos

No, they are trying to get rid of the expats criminals running from the law in their own country.

They're trying to show they are serious about going after criminals and drug runners. And why not? The USA has been dumping all of their Dominican convicted criminals here for years.

I've had various discussions with some folks about what is required to open a bank account and buy Certificates of Deposit here, only to be told I don't know what I'm talking about, even though a BPD vice president gave them to me.

You'll notice that all the requirements I've been telling folks are listed.

[snoozer]

The only ex-pats that will have to head home permanently are the ones that do not meet the supposed new residency requirements. My comment about planeloads heading back to their motherlands may have inadvertently misled you.

Apparently for those seeking residency status from now on it will be a requirement to have a pre-approved residency visa issued only at the Dominican Republic embassy/consulate in ones home country. All the many gringos that have been in the DR long term only on a tourist visa will now have to return to their native countries to achieve this, hence my comment.
WW, is it your understanding that this 60 day visa is only required for those people wishing to apply for residency? If I come to the DR for my usual 6 to 7 week visit can I just continue to pay the overstay fine when I leave? If I have to go through this bullshit and pay $125 for the privilege of spending my hard earned tourist dollars in this country, then I will be moving on.

[WickedWillie]

WW, is it your understanding that this 60 day visa is only required for those people wishing to apply for residency? If I come to the DR for my usual 6 to 7 week visit can I just continue to pay the overstay fine when I leave? If I have to go through this bullshit and pay $125 for the privilege of spending my hard earned tourist dollars in this country, then I will be moving on.

From what I understand the tourist visas will remain more or less the same, but this is the DR so who really knows!

(maybe a Mod can move all this immigration discussion out of Robert's thread)

[Seville]

How long is the drive to Haiti?:lol::lol:

[JD426]

No, they are trying to get rid of the expats criminals running from the law in their own country.

They're trying to show they are serious about going after criminals and drug runners. And why not? The USA has been dumping all of their Dominican convicted criminals here for years.

I've had various discussions with some folks about what is required to open a bank account and buy Certificates of Deposit here, only to be told I don't know what I'm talking about, even though a BPD vice president gave them to me.

You'll notice that all the requirements I've been telling folks are listed.

This is just my opinion, but I think the ULTIMATE plan perhaps is to SEIZE the Bank accounts, of those DEPORTED..
Didnt Panama seize all the Bank assets of all the big time Drug Dealers back in the day, those who had made huge deposits there, thinking it was safe ?
Dont forget, the DR is NOT the USA , where you have Due Process. and all that pesky constitution & Bill of Rights stuff.(sarcasm)
thoughts ?

[whynotme]

From what I understand the tourist visas will remain more or less the same, but this is the DR so who really knows!

(maybe a Mod can move all this immigration discussion out of Robert's thread)

i was going to but as we have hit 64 pages robert will be closing it down soon and getting on to the next live in the dr part 69:wink:

[yayow]

Still should be moved, to the immigration section of the board, so that those who want the information, can find it under the immigration section and not have to go through 60 something pages of Robert's life to find the information. If they even know or remember it is here.

[whynotme]

Still should be moved, to the immigration section of the board, so that those who want the information, can find it under the immigration section and not have to go through 60 something pages of Robert's life to find the information. If they even know or remember it is here.

:rofl::rofl::rofl: i never knew we had a section for immigration.............. guess i wasn't interested:wink:

but your right so i will move these. thanks:iconTU:

[whynotme]

maybe a Mod can move all this immigration discussion out of Robert's thread

done:iconTU:.

[Sidney]

WW, is it your understanding that this 60 day visa is only required for those people wishing to apply for residency? If I come to the DR for my usual 6 to 7 week visit can I just continue to pay the overstay fine when I leave? If I have to go through this bullshit and pay $125 for the privilege of spending my hard earned tourist dollars in this country, then I will be moving on.

As will I !!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[Sidney]

that is how it works at mi favorite country.....you can stay 3 months and renew for 3 but then you have to leave....then come back
wouldn't be surprised if that's the same with the DR now.........does Roberto have residency?

What is your favorite country?:confused:

[yayow]

What is your favorite country?:confused:

Come on Sidney we all know Seaweed's favorite country, it's JA land, Jamaica ! :iconTU:

[Sidney]

My initial reaction to this bullshit is: Hello AR, BR, UR, Chile, EC, PN, NIC, PP, Thailand, etc.!

[sopranostingray]

I'm anxious to see how this plays out. If they enforce the new law, the 6 month snowbirds will stop coming. They won't waste their time getting a residency and they won't waste the thousands of dollars it takes to get it. How will they police all of this? The only way I can see how they can control it is at the airport when you leave....and you're on your way out anyway.

[Jimmydr]

I'm anxious to see how this plays out. If they enforce the new law, the 6 month snowbirds will stop coming. They won't waste their time getting a residency and they won't waste the thousands of dollars it takes to get it. How will they police all of this? The only way I can see how they can control it is at the airport when you leave....and you're on your way out anyway.

They will make you pay at that point.

[uncle ruckus]

This is just my opinion, but I think the ULTIMATE plan perhaps is to SEIZE the Bank accounts, of those DEPORTED..
Didnt Panama seize all the Bank assets of all the big time Drug Dealers back in the day, those who had made huge deposits there, thinking it was safe ?
Dont forget, the DR is NOT the USA , where you have Due Process. and all that pesky constitution & Bill of Rights stuff.(sarcasm)
thoughts ?

Is that tin foil hat on tight enough? The ULTIMATE plan is to remove all Haitians from the Dominican Republic. However, due to pressure from the UN, OAS, etc., the DR can no longer just go up to black people, ask them to say "perejil" and then remove them from the country. In order to continue being internationally recognized and obtain loans from IMF and World Bank, as well keep allowing foreign companies to bribe politicians to destroy DR's natural resources, the govt has to achieve it's goals of removing every Haitian from the country by enacting a general anti-immigrant law and enforcing it on all non-Dominicans and not just Haitians. That way, the next time Martelly goes to the UN to complain about the treatment of Haitians in the DR, Danilo can say "It's not because they're Haitian, it's because we treat all illegal aliens that way." The expats with money in the bank don't have much to worry about since with modern electronic banking, they can transfer their money to almost any other bank in the world. The expats that have bought real estate or businesses are the ones that could be fucked.

Click here for the "perejil" reference - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsley_Massacre

[Sidney]

The expats that have bought real estate or businesses are the ones that could be fucked.

Click here for the "perejil" reference - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsley_Massacre

Yes, property prices will plumment !:mad:

[yayow]

Well I guess if the D.R. is successful in getting rid of the Haitianas that are not fully documented many of our members will be moving to Haiti for their Haitian fix, or vacationing there, ...... I guess I will see you guys around. :rofl::rofl:

[sopranostingray]

I doubt it's gonna go as easy as it seems and throwing out gringos that spend ridiculous amounts of money makes no sense. However, being that is makes no sense is what worries me. I guess we will wait and see.

[snoozer]

From what I understand the tourist visas will remain more or less the same, but this is the DR so who really knows!

(maybe a Mod can move all this immigration discussion out of Robert's thread)

I read on DR1 that the tourist visa will now be for 60 days with an option to renew for a further 60 days. Not sure how accurate this info is.

[MrHappy]

Yes, property prices will plumment !:mad:

Fine with me. I'm still kicking myself in the butt for not buying that villa in Villa Linda for 57K back in 2000.

[greydread]

Is that tin foil hat on tight enough? The ULTIMATE plan is to remove all Haitians from the Dominican Republic. However, due to pressure from the UN, OAS, etc., the DR can no longer just go up to black people, ask them to say "perejil" and then remove them from the country. In order to continue being internationally recognized and obtain loans from IMF and World Bank, as well keep allowing foreign companies to bribe politicians to destroy DR's natural resources, the govt has to achieve it's goals of removing every Haitian from the country by enacting a general anti-immigrant law and enforcing it on all non-Dominicans and not just Haitians. That way, the next time Martelly goes to the UN to complain about the treatment of Haitians in the DR, Danilo can say "It's not because they're Haitian, it's because we treat all illegal aliens that way." The expats with money in the bank don't have much to worry about since with modern electronic banking, they can transfer their money to almost any other bank in the world. The expats that have bought real estate or businesses are the ones that could be fucked.

Click here for the "perejil" reference - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsley_Massacre

All very accurate except for that last sentence. 1st off, you can't even sign a lease without Dominican sponsorship if you don't have at least a residency visa. You have no standing in a court without it. It's nothing like the USA. You have no rights to speak of except to get on the plane (if they let you) and go the fuck back to wherever you came from. This is clearly not aimed at "Gringos or Euros" and is just as clearly aimed directly at the Millions of Haitians who currently reside in the Dominican Republic.

Oh sure, they'll find some deadbeat Gringo/Euro trash to hold up as front Men for their "crackdown on illegal immigration" but everyone can see where this is going. It's a Dominican logic application:

"My Dog has fleas. The Eco lovers will stop supporting me if I spray the Dog, the animal rights people will stop supporting me if I put one of those carcinogenic collars on it and I need their money, what can I do? Hmmm......I'm going to shave the Daam Dog!".

[MrHappy]

All very accurate except for that last sentence. 1st off, you can't even sign a lease without Dominican sponsorship if you don't have at least a residency visa. You have no standing in a court without it. It's nothing like the USA. You have no rights to speak of except to get on the plane (if they let you) and go the fuck back to wherever you came from. This is clearly not aimed at "Gringos or Euros" and is just as clearly aimed directly at the Millions of Haitians who currently reside in the Dominican Republic.

Oh sure, they'll find some deadbeat Gringo/Euro trash to hold up as front Men for their "crackdown on illegal immigration" but everyone can see where this is going. It's a Dominican logic application:

"My Dog has fleas. The Eco lovers will stop supporting me if I spray the Dog, the animal rights people will stop supporting me if I put one of those carcinogenic collars on it and I need their money, what can I do? Hmmm......I'm going to shave the Daam Dog!".

Close, but not entirely correct. All of the property I have purchased here on the island has been without a Dominican sponsor, at least, not one that I was aware of. But then again, that could be because of my residency.

As far as the euro/gringo trash, if you're not following the daily news rags, you wouldn't be aware of all the trash they catch and send back to their home countries.

I would feel safe to say that for quite a few years now, the country has been averaging 2-3 a month, with the resulting public announcements of "another one caught and deported."

A lot of that is being done with the "assistance" of Interpol and the DEA.

[Sidney]

From a well known law firm, posted on another website: Unfortunately, the Decree (631-11) which establishes the new regulations for the Immigration Law have been enforced from June 1st. This Decree was passed on October 19th, 2011 and at this moment, the Migration Department constantly changes its criteria of application of some rules set forth by Law 285-04 and its Regulations. It's better to wait until the Migration Department confirms how these new rules will be enforced. This might save you time, expenses and efforts as right now we are still on transition phase with an evident conflict between previous rules and new ones.

However, according with the information that you have provided, please find below the provisions that the Decree establishes (Arts. 82-83) for your case:




Due to you're canadian citizen, at this moment, you don't need a tourist visa. Therefore, the tourist card will be enough for you to stay legally in Dominican Republic. However, the Decree establishes that the maximum stay for any tourist person is sixty (60) days, and in order to complete all the requirements, you will need:


-Passport, with at least six months of validity;
-Air, sea or land tickets for the revenue and the return to your country;
-An address in the Dominican Republic;
-Proof of sufficient funds to cover your expenses during your stay in the Dominican Republic.



During your stay at the Dominican Republic, you have the right to apply for a extended stay for sixty (60) days more. In order to do this, you will need:


-Passport, with at least six months of validity, stating to count from the date of the extended stay;
-Air, sea or land tickets for the return to your country;
-An address in the Dominican Republic;
-Proof of sufficient funds to cover your expenses during your stay in the Dominican Republic;
-Medical certificate issued by a licensed physician with the appropriate exequatur;
-Forms and legal fees.

Finally, you can only apply once for the extended stay.

If you need further assistance, do not hesitate to contact us again.

[greydread]

Close, but not entirely correct. All of the property I have purchased here on the island has been without a Dominican sponsor, at least, not one that I was aware of. But then again, that could be because of my residency.

As far as the euro/gringo trash, if you're not following the daily news rags, you wouldn't be aware of all the trash they catch and send back to their home countries.

I would feel safe to say that for quite a few years now, the country has been averaging 2-3 a month, with the resulting public announcements of "another one caught and deported."

A lot of that is being done with the "assistance" of Interpol and the DEA.

It's exactly because of your status as a legal resident. Without it you would be limited to working through an agent, adding expense and a measure of doubt to your transactions.

The "assistance of Interpol and the DEA" should read "at the Direction of Interpol and the DEA"....and now the IRS. The people who run the DR are fully aware of who their Masters are and they do their bidding to keep their licenses to steal current.

There are no accidents here. The people who plan the economic development of the region also plan the military development of the region. Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro and Daniel Ortega, Evo Morales and a handful of others are flies in the ointment. These are actually two separate discussions but they are directly related.

http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/parameters/Articles/1994/ramsey.htm

[yayow]

......A lot of that is being done with the "assistance" of Interpol and the DEA.

yeah they are assisting big time already, just the other night, early night, maybe around 8 or 9pm, I was sitting in a colmado having a beer, with another African American ex - pat, on Duarte. There was a hispanic looking guy, with another guy (and they both had expensive looking camera equipment with them), and I had seen them pass by us earlier in the night, but wasn't really paying attention to them and what they were doing. At one point the chica we were with started yelling at someone that was behind me, I turned and it was the same hispanic guy. He was taking pics of our group and the chica spotted him doing it. The other ex-pat acknowledged that the guy had been trying to take pics of him all night, but when he saw him he just turned away. The ex-pat had been a high level gov't worker in his previous life, and told me that it happens all the time, and that they were looking to take pictures for face recognition, to see if you were wanted somewhere.

Later that night maybe twenty minutes later after we chased them off after the chica started yelling at them, I see the hispanic guy again, pointing his camera this time directly at me. I pointed at him, quickly got out of my seat, and started to approach the guy. Never saw a guy jump on a moto faster, as I approached he sped off, the moto was waiting probably another agent. So yeah they are definitely increasing their efforts.

[Sidney]

I estimate the cost process to acquire RESIDENCY to be $2,000 to $3,000.(Air travel, car rental, hotels, lawyer, govt. fees, food, etc.) :mad:

[snoozer]

I estimate the cost process to acquire RESIDENCY to be $2,000 to $3,000.(Air travel, car rental, hotels, lawyer, govt. fees, food, etc.) :mad:

I understand there was a 6 month grace period where a person could acquire residency without incurring most of those costs. Who am I to talk? I wrote the book on procrastination!!!

[greydread]

I estimate the cost process to acquire RESIDENCY to be $2,000 to $3,000.(Air travel, car rental, hotels, lawyer, govt. fees, food, etc.) :mad:

Actually you're only halfway there if you decide to go through a Dominican Lawyer. My Buddy recently put 4 Months deposit ($2,200) down on a 1 year apartment lease. At the advice of a Dominican friend in NJ he is applying for Residency through the Dominican Consulate here and only has to pay the application fees, no lawyers.

When he begins his residency he will not be able to travel outside the DR (emergencies are excluded on a case-by-case basis) for 6 Months and after that he will be limited to 60 Days/ year of foreign travel. This will also exempt his first $91,000 of CY 2013 from US Federal income taxes. He is expecting a lump sum distribution which he has been advised to defer until Jan 2013. The money he saves will allow him to finish furnishing the (4BR) apartment, send his novia and her Mom and Sisters to the salon every Day and buy thousands and thousands of Presidentes for her extended family. He will be the Godfather (Patron) for the next 30 Babies born in her Campo.

I'm changing my signature.

[Sidney]

Actually you're only halfway there if you decide to go through a Dominican Lawyer.

When he begins his residency he will not be able to travel outside the DR (emergencies are excluded on a case-by-case basis) for 6 Months and after that he will be limited to 60 Days/ year of foreign travel.
To me, this is devastating!:mad:

[greydread]

To me, this is devastating!:mad:

Then do the 30 day Tourist visa with the 30 day extension, go home and come back. There are no "conditions" for a Tourist visa from the US other than paying the $10.