05/2013 - The Director of Tourism ''speaks''

[Sidney]

Info from a prominent local businessman--------------"Several officials were there, Director of Tourism, head of PN head of Politur, boss of Amet et al. The main subject was cleaning up Sosua. Several people spoke, including Willy and Armando along with other buisiness owners in Sosua. The head of tourism was adamant on his decision to eliminate all prostitution in Sosua. He does not care about the impact. It would appear that certain people have convinced the President that 90% of the problems are caused by prostitution. He has given the director of tourism "carte blanche"! He did not elaborate on his intended ''methods''!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[SrSuerte]

Info from a prominent local businessman--------------"Several officials were there, Director of Tourism, head of PN head of Politur, boss of Amet et al. The main subject was cleaning up Sosua. Several people spoke, including Willy and Armando along with other buisiness owners in Sosua. The head of tourism was adamant on his decision to eliminate all prostitution in Sosua. He does not care about the impact. It would appear that certain people have convinced the President that 90% of the problems are caused by prostitution. He has given the director of tourism "carte blanche"! He did not elaborate on his intended ''methods''!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


From what I read a long time ago. Prostitution was cracked down on in Boca Chica years ago, then most of the prostitution moved to Sosua.


Boca Chica is up and running again and getting better from some travelers testimony. If this were going to happen then I think most traffic would move back down south again.

Maybe.

[SeaWeed]

F Prostitution was cracked down on in Boca Chica years ago.
mi first arrived in Boca Chica after the first crackdown.......... there was still plenty of Putas der........
and 4 years later mi arrived again in Boca Chica and there were more Putas.......
sounds like today there are even more Putas in Boca Chica......BC probably going to be a better bet than Sosua in the future
these whore towns go in cycles depending on who is running the show at any certain time......
and with all these people not wanting Putas in Sosua.......you aren't going to beat the local or federal government nor the tourism heads
sure there will be Putas in Sosua.....just won't be as many....and nuthin like what I saw back in Sept 2009 in Sosua when mi was der....that was wild

[Westy]

Info from a prominent local businessman--------------"Several officials were there, Director of Tourism, head of PN head of Politur, boss of Amet et al. The main subject was cleaning up Sosua. Several people spoke, including Willy and Armando along with other buisiness owners in Sosua. The head of tourism was adamant on his decision to eliminate all prostitution in Sosua. He does not care about the impact. It would appear that certain people have convinced the President that 90% of the problems are caused by prostitution. He has given the director of tourism "carte blanche"! He did not elaborate on his intended ''methods''!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Follow the money. I would bet the President has his hand out, and John Kerry got his marching orders from Hit-lery Clit-ton on this - "women are victims, and prostitution is raaaaaayyype!"

Besides, it's demeaning when a woman is paid a week's worth of salary for a half-hour's sweaty work between the sheets.

SeaWeed, how are things going in J-land? Still plenty of sweet beach-walkers in Negril?

[Skynyrd]

Well damn I guess this was a good time to start my Asian adventures :oP

[SeaWeed]

SeaWeed, how are things going in J-land? Still plenty of sweet beach-walkers in Negril?

let you know when mi reach in 11days....mi hear da gurls are pretty desperate these days.....
low season and not many guys there will usually do it....lol....going to the Jungle Nightclub this summer will be shark fest for sure

[JD426]

I'm telling you guys this is coming from Leonels Wife, and it could be a lot worse than we think, if they start targeting "johns" with the help of the US GOVT..
Remember the child support laws, you cant fly back to the USA and hide anymore, the laws apply here just as if you were there.. Same shit may happen with Prostitution. What you do there, if now made "ILLEGAL" to US citizens, will come back here to bite you..
.. You think the Mayor of Sosua is hard on prostitution, you aint seen NUTHIN yet.. ... I'm gonna find out in July for sure from someone in Santo Domingo, who would know first hand. My nose tells me this is not like the usual crackdowns we have seen.




From what I read a long time ago. Prostitution was cracked down on in Boca Chica years ago, then most of the prostitution moved to Sosua.


Boca Chica is up and running again and getting better from some travelers testimony. If this were going to happen then I think most traffic would move back down south again.

Maybe.

Apples and Oranges.. Completely Diff scenarios... Mr Happy et al can elaborate ,but I was there when it got bad, REAL bad.. Like everyone was being Pickpocketed, every single night. Girls would physically not leave you alone traveling in packs.. Its fun at first but then just got really annoying, and then just plain dangerous.. Also the Chulo assholes were beating the shit out of the New Girls, one of mine was put in the Hospital cause she didnt give him his Cut.. I met her in the disco, he was tagging along with our group and refused to leave. Told her he is not with us.. but he felt entitled to some $ so he just took it ALL from her and hurt her pretty bad, a cop friend went looking for him to even the score but he disappeared. Bull Shit like that gets old fast.. it was much worse than Sosua ,before the crackdowns, it was just downright dangerous.

Seems , This new "Policy" is purely about Prostitution, and the DR having become a Sex Destination, and the international IMAGE that portrays. IMO the powers that be really believe, or want to believe that if they stop Gringos from traveling for the express purpose of engaging Prostitution.. then the tourists will come back..thats the only way to take this. Sosua is already as SAFE as it can get , for a 3rd world country, Sosua is pretty safe, IMO .. So its definitely not about the safety..

[Westy]

I'm telling you guys this is coming from Leonels Wife, and it could be a lot worse than we think, if they start targeting "johns" with the help of the US GOVT..

Seems , This new "Policy" is purely about Prostitution, and the DR having become a Sex Destination, and the international IMAGE that portrays. IMO the powers that be really believe, or want to believe that if they stop Gringos from traveling for the express purpose of engaging Prostitution.. then the tourists will come back..thats the only way to take this. Sosua is already as SAFE as it can get , for a 3rd world country, Sosua is pretty safe, IMO .. So its definitely not about the safety.

"Start targeting 'johns' with the help of the US Government" ... and at their insistence, no doubt, as well.

This is all about shaming and blaming and punishing 'teh menz.' Doesn't surprise me that it's being figure-headed by the DR's equivalent to Marie Antionette.

I think I'm going to start saving up for a Philippines excursion.

[hugrad95a]

Sounds like they dont want YOU guys in the DR anymore. Lets see how it plays out.

[tarzan]

So are they gonna stop me from going to the beach and invite a girl over to my place for a drink and spend the night, after which I may give her a couple of thousand pesos to help her with her rent.:confused: I don't see them stopping the escort services from letting you have an hour of "companionship" with a girl here.:rolleyes:

[greydread]

Info from a prominent local businessman--------------"Several officials were there, Director of Tourism, head of PN head of Politur, boss of Amet et al. The main subject was cleaning up Sosua. Several people spoke, including Willy and Armando along with other buisiness owners in Sosua. The head of tourism was adamant on his decision to eliminate all prostitution in Sosua. He does not care about the impact. It would appear that certain people have convinced the President that 90% of the problems are caused by prostitution. He has given the director of tourism "carte blanche"! He did not elaborate on his intended ''methods''!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlWgF8dqneg

[JD426]

So are they gonna stop me from going to the beach and invite a girl over to my place for a drink and spend the night, after which I may give her a couple of thousand pesos to help her with her rent.:confused: I don't see them stopping the escort services from letting you have an hour of "companionship" with a girl here.:rolleyes:

Of course they cant stop that, in fact they WANT you to come and do exactly that.. they just dont want the IMAGE of being a Country of WHORES walking the streets .
The problem is that some guys may get snagged in the big net, even if they are TRYING to be discreet, imo ..if the DR Govt goes in this direction ( arresting johns). Lets keep in mind, the focus has always been on cleaning up (the strips) by rounding up the whores..
Once they switch gears and round of mongers, its a whole new ballgame & the $ , think about how much $ they could potentially Extort..
..can we really sit here and deny that it would be a complete game changer?

[hugrad95a]

It sounds like its time to re read the book who moved the cheese

[Westy]

Of course they cant stop that, in fact they WANT you to come and do exactly that.. they just dont want the IMAGE of being a Country of WHORES walking the streets .
The problem is that some guys may get snagged in the big net, even if they are TRYING to be discreet, imo ..if the DR Govt goes in this direction ( arresting johns). Lets keep in mind, the focus has always been on cleaning up (the strips) by rounding up the whores..
Once they switch gears and round of mongers, its a whole new ballgame & the $ , think about how much $ they could potentially Extort..
..can we really sit here and deny that it would be a complete game changer?

ABSOLUTELY. And that's what intimidates me -- even though I really don't have any 'reputation' to uphold, no wife, no ex, no kids, no relatives who give a rat's ass about me anyways ... well, except for my Dear Auntie, in Memory Care...

This plays to the societal meme, "Men Are Bad, Women Are Victims." It's the Swedish model - blame the john, punish the john, "end demand." It's the VAWA Model, the Duluth Model, the model pushed by Femmunism International.

And it's all for such a noble cause ... think of the chicas, the poor poor chicas. Think of how horribly sexist and demeaning and patriarchial it is for them to have to feed their children by renting out their booty to those evil, eeee-villll menzzz - for about a week's worth of salary, earned in a half-hour or so of sweaty labor between the sheets in an air-conditioned hotel room.

[Westy]

It sounds like its time to re read the book who moved the cheese

And the companion parody, "Who Cut The Cheese?" :fart:

[greydread]

Of course they cant stop that, in fact they WANT you to come and do exactly that.. they just dont want the IMAGE of being a Country of WHORES walking the streets .
The problem is that some guys may get snagged in the big net, even if they are TRYING to be discreet, imo ..if the DR Govt goes in this direction ( arresting johns). Lets keep in mind, the focus has always been on cleaning up (the strips) by rounding up the whores..
Once they switch gears and round of mongers, its a whole new ballgame & the $ , think about how much $ they could potentially Extort..
..can we really sit here and deny that it would be a complete game changer?
There's prostitution going on at every tourist destination I can think of. The problem they have with the sex tourism going on in So-Sewer is that it's on full blast all the time gets too much bad press from all around the World. This is mostly because many of the guys who head there act like sailors on shore leave after 3 months at sea.

It's funny. When you go to most Caribbean sex tourist destinations, unless your looking for it the trade is going on right in front of you and all around you and you'd never know. It's embarrassing how many years I went to Aruba and in Particular St Nic. before I found the Ho's. The powers that be in the D.R. are aware that if done correctly they can have family tourism AND sex tourism in the same region. The key is image integrity. Same reason management turns their heads when a thousand-dollar-a-night hooker turns tricks in the Lobby Bar of the Mandarin Oriental Hotel but won't let a $50 Ho in the door.

In the hospitality business image is everything.

[greydread]

It sounds like its time to re read the book who moved the cheese

..or re-watch "The Road To Abilene" :rolleyes:

[rahsta]

A female friend of mines always say that I am taken advantage of those poor girls in DR or Brazil. I always tell her there is no section 8, no food stamps, no one shot deal, no social security, no public schools, no jobs etc. I say too her if she was born in DR what would she be doing? I always get a "But .....

[Westy]

There's prostitution going on at every tourist destination I can think of ... When you go to most Caribbean sex tourist destinations, unless your looking for it the trade is going on right in front of you and all around you and you'd never know. It's embarrassing how many years I went to Aruba and in Particular St Nic. before I found the Ho's. The powers that be in the D.R. are aware that if done correctly they can have family tourism AND sex tourism in the same region. The key is image integrity ... In the hospitality business image is everything.

Roger that ... I got into the Great Game way late in life, and I despair that I'm living proof that 'you can't teach an old dog new tricks.' I popped my "trick's cherry" at age fifty, swelp-me-gawd, and I never reached the level of having anything you could speak of as 'game' with the ladies, or the chicas either. Blackbeard's, and then Sosua, were like the El Dorado to me - so in-your-face that even a blind squirrel like me could get a nut!

So now, the D.R. is going to go after the mongers, and 'mangina up' with all the other wriggling little lap-dogs of the Femi-Nazzi-Pocalypse. Not surprised, just disappointed.

I made a pre-paid reservation to go to Field of Dreams in late September. Haven't bought the flight yet, though ... maybe I should write off the room, and not even bother.

[rahsta]

There's prostitution going on at every tourist destination I can think of. The problem they have with the sex tourism going on in So-Sewer is that it's on full blast all the time gets too much bad press from all around the World. This is mostly because many of the guys who head there act like sailors on shore leave after 3 months at sea.

It's funny. When you go to most Caribbean sex tourist destinations, unless your looking for it the trade is going on right in front of you and all around you and you'd never know. It's embarrassing how many years I went to Aruba and in Particular St Nic. before I found the Ho's. The powers that be in the D.R. are aware that if done correctly they can have family tourism AND sex tourism in the same region. The key is image integrity. Same reason management turns their heads when a thousand-dollar-a-night hooker turns tricks in the Lobby Bar of the Mandarin Oriental Hotel but won't let a $50 Ho in the door.

In the hospitality business image is everything.

In Costa Rica it on fullblast all day. Del Rey has a 24hr bar.

[BrooklynBeas]

I can see it now... all the cops in DR pull up in front of DLatins and every tourist gets taken away to the police station... the music stops and all the chicas looks at each other like, WHAT THE FUCK?!?!

Then the chicas all go marching away back to their rooms in the outskirts of Sosua like it's 3am and the music just stops on the strip... The next day, nothing is open and all the early bird mongers or the guys that found a good one early the night before find out what happened, call their airline, and fly home...


Someone let us know when this happens so we know it's time to stay away.. For now, its just talk... I'll believe it when I, or someone else on here actually see's it...

[Mr. Smooth]

This coinsides with what I read a few days ago in the Sosua news about the Brig. Gen. of the Tourist Police wanting to open a beach police stand, allegedly to improve the safety of all tourists while enjoying the beach.

If that was to happen, whats to stop a beach crackdown on the chicas walking back and forth, eyeballing any gringos for a potential business transaction? That sort of "people watching" may be drastically reduced. To stop the prostitution activities as they are currently practiced, the only way I see that happening is to shut down the venues where it's going on, meaning the bars. If they are shut down, there is no venue to "advertise", and if the girls are rousted or arrested on the beach, (and possibly the gringo?) where would they go? Not to mention the massive amount of tax revenue that those bars generate for the government.

The consequences of this for gringos is that we stop coming in the numbers we do, our money gets spent someplace else and all the chicas that depend on our remissions for their day to day living (surviving??) would have no alternative but to subsist on their Dominican hombres who might be willing to part with 500 pesos on a Saturday night.

This all seems to me like the "ruling class" of which every country has one, making the rules to benefit themselves at the expense of their unwashed masses who are simply trying to live day to day by whatever means they can.

Hey SeaWeed, you got any room left on that Jamaican bandwagon? If this all goes down in the DR, you're going to need a bigger boat to haul everyone's ass over to your place for jerk chicken, Red Stripes and those JA track stars!

Hell.....I dig Marley!!! :corky:

[JuanElGriego]

So are they gonna stop me from going to the beach and invite a girl over to my place for a drink and spend the night, after which I may give her a couple of thousand pesos to help her with her rent.:confused: I don't see them stopping the escort services from letting you have an hour of "companionship" with a girl here.:rolleyes:

As Eldorob said, nothing will make both hoes and mongers disappear faster than a couple of mongers being taken in simply to make a point. No one in their right mind would go there even if the worst that happens is a night in jail. Even if some guys insisted on going there, there wouldn't be nearly enough of them to make the chicas want to be there. Its hard enough for the girls to pick up a trick when Sosua is packed never mind when there's hardly any dudes there. Maybe some desperate fuglies would still show up. And if someone is just gonna hook up with favoritas from his cell or new contacts thru fb or whatever, there's way better places in DR to do that than a ghost town version of Sosua.

[hugrad95a]

I would still go to the tumble weed town

[BrooklynBeas]

I would still go to the tumble weed town

Not me...

Although my last couple of trips were about vacation, relaxing, having some drinks, chillin with the fellas, and then when I felt the urge, grabbed a few chicas.. If I knew there was a slim chance I would be picked up by the cops for just hanging on the beach, because I may want to partake in a lil somethin something with a chica later on in the day, there is no way I would go there... So im sitting at Ruby's bar having some beers and because I am hanging with "known monger ex-pats" or "look like a monger", I am gonna do a night in jail...??? Oh hell no... I will find another place to go with the quickness... Right now, Sosua is very convenient for someone flying out of NY, and that's what makes it the easy choice to make when I want a quick getaway... Hell fuckin no if there is a good chance i would get extorted or have to do jailtime for nothing...

[j_d66]

Conventional wisdom would dictate that if they can't prove you are doing nothing wrong they can't haul you off to jail.

The big problemo in the DR appears to be that you can be completely innocent or even a victim and still find your way into a Dominican jail cell with coughing up some dinero as the only way to get yourself out.

That is a scary thought but until I see it happen for real I won't stop coming.

Hell they are predicting the possibility of more Hurricanes this year so one of them might hit Sosua so we shouldn't go because one might hit there.

I like Sosua because it is not the big touristy type place that Punta Cana is.

People are miffed because the price of a beer went up a few pesos.

You convert Sosua into a non monger friendly destination and you will see prices go up big time

Perhaps they are just putting out the fear propaganda.

Perhaps we won't see the chicas on display like we used to but I don't see it going away anytime soon as there are to many that depend on the how Sosua currently is.

If all dries up, we will find someplace else to go for sure.
I'm gonna continue to live my life on the fun side as long as my health and pocketbook allow me to do so.

Life is to damn short

[The Sage]

I told one of my childhood mentors about my trips. His response was a somewhat jestfull, "You going to a poor country exploiting poor women". I said to him, "Not quite true. Most of the time it feels like they're exploiting me".


A female friend of mines always say that I am taken advantage of those poor girls in DR or Brazil. I always tell her there is no section 8, no food stamps, no one shot deal, no social security, no public schools, no jobs etc. I say too her if she was born in DR what would she be doing? I always get a "But .....

[MrHappy]

There's prostitution going on at every tourist destination I can think of. The problem they have with the sex tourism going on in So-Sewer is that it's on full blast all the time gets too much bad press from all around the World. This is mostly because many of the guys who head there act like sailors on shore leave after 3 months at sea.

It's funny. When you go to most Caribbean sex tourist destinations, unless your looking for it the trade is going on right in front of you and all around you and you'd never know. It's embarrassing how many years I went to Aruba and in Particular St Nic. before I found the Ho's. The powers that be in the D.R. are aware that if done correctly they can have family tourism AND sex tourism in the same region. The key is image integrity. Same reason management turns their heads when a thousand-dollar-a-night hooker turns tricks in the Lobby Bar of the Mandarin Oriental Hotel but won't let a $50 Ho in the door.

In the hospitality business image is everything.

That is EXACTLY the problem. Kids in a candy shop mentality. And that has come from every idiot and his uncle not only acting like a horny sailors, but then throwing up videos on youtube for the whole world to see.

[eldorob]

So are they gonna stop me from going to the beach and invite a girl over to my place for a drink and spend the night, after which I may give her a couple of thousand pesos to help her with her rent.:confused: I don't see them stopping the escort services from letting you have an hour of "companionship" with a girl here.:rolleyes:


It's anybodys guess as to what their tactics might be, but it appears the police are going to be involved. So most likely harrasment of gringos. If it starts, I would want to be very discreet.

Don't forget, they toyed around a little with "Gringo Harrasment" about a year ago

[mistertonite]

I wonder if they (the police) would scout hotels to see if chicas are going in to meet with clients? Then come raiding the johns rooms. I mean, if trying to be discreet, one would have to try and avoid being seen with a chica in the street. We who have numbers of our favoritas can call them and have them come to the tely. But this can also be tough if hotels are gonna be scouted. Damn...shit just got real.

[El-Rey]

This is being overthought gentlemen... There is this thing called the Dominoe effect. As soon as Gringos are arrested for prostitution or there are more chicas in jail then in the street then things will change and when the economy falls fast and furiously (Tourism is a big part of RD and most is sex tourism) Then the people will realize that they are idiots and will offer two for one whores after 10pm. For example, People think that the domestic violence crackdown was due to OJ simpson.. NO, He nationalized it and made us aware. Tracy Thurman is the reason DV laws changed, what she went through and when she sued the state of CT every one became aware that shit is real. When RD realizes shit is real without Prostitutes they will change their tune pretty quick.

[Leche]

I am not too concerned about this. I am a very low-key guy. I go to the club, grab a girl, chill, go to the hotel, take a shower together, have sex, chit chat, watch TV, fuck again, and she is on her way the next morning. I do not want to grab too much unwanted attention from others. I have seen a few mongerers get too drunk, throw a beer bottle, yell at a chica, carry thousands of pesos in their wallet, and wear more gold that my ex-wife ever did (LOL). Stuff like that is just asking for trouble and unwanted attention. As long as we respect their culture and laws and stay low-key, we should be fine.

[jose1234]

I am not too concerned about this. I am a very low-key guy. I go to the club, grab a girl, chill, go to the hotel, take a shower together, have sex, chit chat, watch TV, fuck again, and she is on her way the next morning. I do not want to grab too much unwanted attention from others. I have seen a few mongerers get too drunk, throw a beer bottle, yell at a chica, carry thousands of pesos in their wallet, and wear more gold that my ex-wife ever did (LOL). Stuff like that is just asking for trouble and unwanted attention. As long as we respect their culture and laws and stay low-key, we should be fine.

Fuck this politically correct North American cultured bull shit... Most North Americans I meet lately (mostly non ISOCers) are repressed bitter angry wimps with defeat and wimpiness written on their forehead. But what you say not to do is secretly what many of us really want to do! I have a few more ideas...how about dropping your pants in the bar and giving 500 pesos to the first chica that kisses your ass, with her tongue... How about screaming as loud as you can, I want to fuck them all!!! How about them showing you their tits and letting you rub their bald pussy in the middle of the bar and freaking smiling and swearing and dry humping every chica that wants to walk past you and get your pesos??? :rofl:

[dquick]

I am not too concerned about this. I am a very low-key guy. I go to the club, grab a girl, chill, go to the hotel, take a shower together, have sex, chit chat, watch TV, fuck again, and she is on her way the next morning. I do not want to grab too much unwanted attention from others. I have seen a few mongerers get too drunk, throw a beer bottle, yell at a chica, carry thousands of pesos in their wallet, and wear more gold that my ex-wife ever did (LOL). Stuff like that is just asking for trouble and unwanted attention. As long as we respect their culture and laws and stay low-key, we should be fine.

So how many low key girls have spent the night in jail for prostitution in Sosua? How many non Putas have been arrested for walking down PC?

If police in Sosua start arresting Gringos like they do Putas, nobody is safe. But it would surprise me if they go that far. A cop at night can't tell the difference between a New Garden guest looking for a Puta and a Casa Marina AI guest just out for a late night drink. And what about an Ex Pat out for a drink? If the police start harrassing gringos, everybody will be effected. Not just mongers.

BUT with that said, it would not be the first time I saw something stupid done in the DR.

[Westy]

I would love to hear from the businessmen of Sosua - those who visit ISOC and know us - as to what they think of this situation.

You know - Plaso, DaFishGuy, SopranoStingray, El Rey, and my apologies to any others that I didn't cite by handle.

Yeah, maybe I'm thin-skinned, or pessimistic, or whatever. But even if I no longer have to protect my security clearance from getting besmirched by my foreign travels in search of punani ... I'm allergic to the notion of being locked up in the hoosegow, for asking a chica if she'd trade honey for money.

Greydread, what is your vision of "monger Sosua" surviving in parallel with "Disney Sosua?" Would Passions survive? How about FOD? I'm ready to rule out the bars on Pedro Clisante, from Bar Bermuda to the old Classico's, as being targets as finely-targeted as the 'Ground Zero Cafe' in the center of the green space inside the inner ring of the Pentagon. And I confess it, I am futterly-uckin' clueless about 'what to look for,' when it comes to ferreting out some pay-per-screw action outside of the Sewer we call Sosua.

[dquick]

Fuck this politically correct North American cultured bull shit... Most North Americans I meet lately (mostly non ISOCers) are repressed bitter angry wimps with defeat and wimpiness written on their forehead. But what you say not to do is secretly what many of us really want to do! I have a few more ideas...how about dropping your pants in the bar and giving 500 pesos to the first chica that kisses your ass, with her tongue... How about screaming as loud as you can, I want to fuck them all!!! How about them showing you their tits and letting you rub their bald pussy in the middle of the bar and freaking smiling and swearing and dry humping every chica that wants to walk past you and get your pesos??? :rofl:

I don't remember seeing you in March:confused:

Guess I was too drunk....

[jose1234]

I think this whole situation is a bit interesting from another perspective. I have met Lorenzo, the new head of tourism a few years ago when I came to the DR. He ate at my tenant's restaurant and we talked a bit together. He has been in Cabarete maybe 28 years and before anything really was here. He is originally from Italy and for those who know Cabarete, he originally owned the land which is now called Pro-Cab. So, he has made his money here. He seems pretty straight and lectured me telling me that I need to pay my taxes and do everything by the book with my business.

What I find most interesting will be how he gets along with the Dominican people here when he starts stepping on people's shoes... He seems relatively smart but from what I can see, Gringos are here for their money and not to run the country, even if he is now a resident... My guess is if he is successful, he will end up moving the puta business down the road to the east side of town past where it was 10 years ago, but we shall see... The future effects of his future actions is highly speculative...

[Irie]

Fuck this politically correct North American cultured bull shit... Most North Americans I meet lately (mostly non ISOCers) are repressed bitter angry wimps with defeat and wimpiness written on their forehead. But what you say not to do is secretly what many of us really want to do! I have a few more ideas...how about dropping your pants in the bar and giving 500 pesos to the first chica that kisses your ass, with her tongue... How about screaming as loud as you can, I want to fuck them all!!! How about them showing you their tits and letting you rub their bald pussy in the middle of the bar and freaking smiling and swearing and dry humping every chica that wants to walk past you and get your pesos??? :rofl:


Please say out loud "motherfucker!"

.......just once for me. Go ohmmmm, GO! :biggrin:

[Westy]

Fuck this politically correct North American cultured bull shit... Most North Americans I meet lately (mostly non ISOCers) are repressed bitter angry wimps with defeat and wimpiness written on their forehead.

I guess that includes me, Ohmmmm.

[Apos]

I won't be shocked if someone shoots him. :surprised:

If he actually attempts to do like they're saying he's going to be fucking with some tough connected people who have allegedly had people killed in the past.

I wouldn't take his position for any amount of money or potential power...


I think this whole situation is a bit interesting from another perspective. I have met Lorenzo, the new head of tourism a few years ago when I came to the DR. He ate at my tenant's restaurant and we talked a bit together. He has been in Cabarete maybe 28 years and before anything really was here. He is originally from Italy and for those who know Cabarete, he originally owned the land which is now called Pro-Cab. So, he has made his money here. He seems pretty straight and lectured me telling me that I need to pay my taxes and do everything by the book with my business.

What I find most interesting will be how he gets along with the Dominican people here when he starts stepping on people's shoes... He seems relatively smart but from what I can see, Gringos are here for their money and not to run the country, even if he is now a resident... My guess is if he is successful, he will end up moving the puta business down the road to the east side of town past where it was 10 years ago, but we shall see... The future effects of his future actions is highly speculative...

[Hanzo]

Looks like I came late to the party, no bueno. :icontd:

I don't however see any pratical way they will be enforcing this crackdown. I doubt they have the manpower, or capabilities to enforce sting operations, so how will they exactly go about this. Will they just camp outside of bars, and other public places, wait for two seemingly strangers to converse, and once they leave together pounce, and arrest a member said party? Because if their hope is to rid the DR's image as a sex tourism spot, they're going to go above, and beyond the call of duty, and just label the island as a spot no one should travel to for fear of being arrested for banal reasons.

If they do however carry out a successful crackdown on places like Sosua (which I doubt they'll make it happen.) I wonder how many mongers will continue carrying about their quest for carnal pleasures in the DR, and how many will just jump ship all together. It seems Sosua caters for the point, and click monger. The dudes who want available pussy in their face 24/7, and don't need to know more than a handful of words in Spanish. How many will uproot, and start mongering in places like SDQ, and STI (assuming it's still going to be a cake walk in those places), and how many will just move on to another monger friendly destination?

I"m glad this won't affect me to much in the way I carry about my business, for obvious reasons, but I will now without a doubt be more discreet, and careful about the way I do go about my leisurely activities, I rather be safe, than sorry.

[Mr. Smooth]

Fuck this politically correct North American cultured bull shit... Most North Americans I meet lately (mostly non ISOCers) are repressed bitter angry wimps with defeat and wimpiness written on their forehead. But what you say not to do is secretly what many of us really want to do! I have a few more ideas...how about dropping your pants in the bar and giving 500 pesos to the first chica that kisses your ass, with her tongue... How about screaming as loud as you can, I want to fuck them all!!! How about them showing you their tits and letting you rub their bald pussy in the middle of the bar and freaking smiling and swearing and dry humping every chica that wants to walk past you and get your pesos??? :rofl:

ohmmmm, you are just so adorable when you talk mean! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[hugrad95a]

Looks like I came late to the party, no bueno. :icontd:

I don't however see any pratical way they will be enforcing this crackdown. I doubt they have the manpower, or capabilities to enforce sting operations, so how will they exactly go about this. Will they just camp outside of bars, and other public places, wait for two seemingly strangers to converse, and once they leave together pounce, and arrest a member said party? Because if their hope is to rid the DR's image as a sex tourism spot, they're going to go above, and beyond the call of duty, and just label the island as a spot no one should travel to for fear of being arrested for banal reasons.

If they do however carry out a successful crackdown on places like Sosua (which I doubt they'll make it happen.) I wonder how many mongers will continue carrying about their quest for carnal pleasures in the DR, and how many will just jump ship all together. It seems Sosua caters for the point, and click monger. The dudes who want available pussy in their face 24/7, and don't need to know more than a handful of words in Spanish. How many will uproot, and start mongering in places like SDQ, and STI (assuming it's still going to be a cake walk in those places), and how many will just move on to another monger friendly destination?

I"m glad this won't affect me to much in the way I carry about my business, for obvious reasons, but I will now without a doubt be more discreet, and careful about the way I do go about my leisurely activities, I rather be safe, than sorry.

From the mouth of the youth, good show young man.

[dquick]

The dudes who want available pussy in their face 24/7, and don't need to know more than a handful of words in Spanish. How many will uproot, and start mongering in places like SDQ, and STI (assuming it's still going to be a cake walk in those places), and how many will just move on to another monger friendly destination?


My guess is that most will move on to a more Monger friendly destination.

Mongering in SDQ and STI is not that difficult. I was able to get laid in both cities when my Spanish was extremely limited. The problem is that these cities are not the best set up for a tourist. After you go a couple of times, you run out of things to do during the day. There is no beach. Bars are pretty empty, until late at night. I get bored during the day in DR cities. In Sosua, I simply start my day at Rockies, shoot the shit with other Mongers. Maybe hit the Beach. Maybe FOD. Hit Rumba in the evening. Then hit PC at night. During this whole process, pussy is only a point and click away. This is what I want to do on my vacation.

I understand that some like Santiago and Santo Domingo. Santiago is ok, BUT I HATE SANTO DOMINGO!!!! Traffic is terrible. Driving is insane. The streets are dirty. AND the police.....the police are the most corrupt in the DR. I have spent quite a bit of time in Santo Domingo lately on non-Mongering trips. I can't see why somebody would choose to spend a vacation in this city. But we all have different taste. I will leave Mongering in this city for others.

[hugrad95a]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/americans-targeted-allegedly-running-underage-prostitution-philippines/story?id=18582802#.UaDmsdhXoSF

They are watching everywhere not just the DR.

[hugrad95a]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IofmfbhnOQ

[Hanzo]

My guess is that most will move on to a more Monger friendly destination.

Mongering in SDQ and STI is not that difficult. I was able to get laid in both cities when my Spanish was extremely limited. The problem is that these cities are not the best set up for a tourist. After you go a couple of times, you run out of things to do during the day. There is no beach. Bars are pretty empty, until late at night. I get bored during the day in DR cities. In Sosua, I simply start my day at Rockies, shoot the shit with other Mongers. Maybe hit the Beach. Maybe FOD. Hit Rumba in the evening. Then hit PC at night. During this whole process, pussy is only a point and click away. This is what I want to do on my vacation.

I understand that some like Santiago and Santo Domingo. Santiago is ok, BUT I HATE SANTO DOMINGO!!!! Traffic is terrible. Driving is insane. The streets are dirty. AND the police.....the police are the most corrupt in the DR. I have spent quite a bit of time in Santo Domingo lately on non-Mongering trips. I can't see why somebody would choose to spend a vacation in this city. But we all have different taste. I will leave Mongering in this city for others.



I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your point on Santo Domingo. Is traffic terrible? Yes it is without a doubt, are SOME streets dirty? yes they are, but it's a third world country (or under developed nation for the politically correct.) If you were expecting something different, then tough cookie. IDK about the police situation, because I avoid those motherfuckers like the plague, in all my trips to Santo Domingo, I have never once have had a conversation with a PN, IDK why anyone in there right mind would, but I also tend to try avoid drama, and trouble in every which way direction it can come from.

But is there an abundance of things to do in the city? Oh hell yes, many places to visit, and see, many, many, many, many, fine hunnies to step to. Santo Domingo is a fun time, if you know where to go, and what to do. I've spent my last 7 summer vacations there, with an 8th one coming in July, and every summer it amazes me that I find new spots to visit, new places to see, and just generally rediscover the city it seems like every summer.


And also don't forget, soooooooooooo many fine bitches, everywhere you look.

[greydread]

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your point on Santo Domingo. Is traffic terrible? Yes it is without a doubt, are SOME streets dirty? yes they are, but it's a third world country (or under developed nation for the politically correct.) If you were expecting something different, then tough cookie. IDK about the police situation, because I avoid those motherfuckers like the plague, in all my trips to Santo Domingo, I have never once have had a conversation with a PN, IDK why anyone in there right mind would, but I also tend to try avoid drama, and trouble in every which way direction it can come from.

But is there an abundance of things to do in the city? Oh hell yes, many places to visit, and see, many, many, many, many, fine hunnies to step to. Santo Domingo is a fun time, if you know where to go, and what to do. I've spent my last 7 summer vacations there, with an 8th one coming in July, and every summer it amazes me that I find new spots to visit, new places to see, and just generally rediscover the city it seems like every summer.


And also don't forget, soooooooooooo many fine bitches, everywhere you look.

Thanks for saving me the effort. Big City folks can thrive in the Capitol which is the size of Philadelphia and has more to do that the whole rest of the Country combined. The beach is 20 minutes away. Viva Santo Domingo!

[eastcoastallstar]

Uum, I concur 100%


I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your point on Santo Domingo. Is traffic terrible? Yes it is without a doubt, are SOME streets dirty? yes they are, but it's a third world country (or under developed nation for the politically correct.) If you were expecting something different, then tough cookie. IDK about the police situation, because I avoid those motherfuckers like the plague, in all my trips to Santo Domingo, I have never once have had a conversation with a PN, IDK why anyone in there right mind would, but I also tend to try avoid drama, and trouble in every which way direction it can come from.

But is there an abundance of things to do in the city? Oh hell yes, many places to visit, and see, many, many, many, many, fine hunnies to step to. Santo Domingo is a fun time, if you know where to go, and what to do. I've spent my last 7 summer vacations there, with an 8th one coming in July, and every summer it amazes me that I find new spots to visit, new places to see, and just generally rediscover the city it seems like every summer.


And also don't forget, soooooooooooo many fine bitches, everywhere you look.

[dquick]

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your point on Santo Domingo. Is traffic terrible? Yes it is without a doubt, are SOME streets dirty? yes they are, but it's a third world country (or under developed nation for the politically correct.) If you were expecting something different, then tough cookie. IDK about the police situation, because I avoid those motherfuckers like the plague, in all my trips to Santo Domingo, I have never once have had a conversation with a PN, IDK why anyone in there right mind would, but I also tend to try avoid drama, and trouble in every which way direction it can come from.

But is there an abundance of things to do in the city? Oh hell yes, many places to visit, and see, many, many, many, many, fine hunnies to step to. Santo Domingo is a fun time, if you know where to go, and what to do. I've spent my last 7 summer vacations there, with an 8th one coming in July, and every summer it amazes me that I find new spots to visit, new places to see, and just generally rediscover the city it seems like every summer.


And also don't forget, soooooooooooo many fine bitches, everywhere you look.

Now the women, I give you that. I have seen some of the finest women in any country in La Capital. And lately, I have turned down more free ass in that city........BUT that is another story.

My point is more about the vacation traveler. I like to relax when I am on vacation.....Fuck a young chica.....Then relax some more. I find nothing relaxing about this city. Maybe some from big citiies have a different perspective. I work in a city. Commute in traffic every day. SD is not the vibe I

You are not a tourist in Santo Domingo Hazo. To be honest, I am not a tourist in Santo Domingo either. I agree that there are things to do, once the business of the day is complete. Daytime for a tourist on a Wednesday??? Leave the city and go to the beach, maybe. The malls don't get good until people get out of work. Give me a small beach town any day on vacation. If I am with a special someone, I know several out of the way beaches where the sand and surf is perfect, no abundance of vendors will bother you, No kids begging for money, and no other gringos in site. Open up the cooler, with cold presidentes. Order pescado from one of only a couple stands on a beach like this. And hold hands with my favorita. NOW THATS A VACATION!

[Mr. Smooth]

You paint a nice picture dquick. I enjoy the big city atmosphere but during the hours between, say....noon and 6 pm, things can be kind of slow and even a bit boring. At least for me, particularly Santiago. Sure, check out the Monument and a few bars in that area, but if you don't know the area as a whole, you might feel kind of stuck. Especially during the week. Regulars and folks who are fluent in spanish would probably disagree. A couple of days there is fine for me. SD I actually like more. The Conde and Zona Colonial, Gazcue (many nice colamdos in that neighborhood to pass the time), the malecon and some bars along the way, not to mention the large hotels. And tons of chicas passing by on the streets and in the malls, even during the day.

Having a beach close by is always a good way to spend that time during the afternoons. I think thats why I have taken a liking to Puerta Plata. It's a bigger city...but not so big, has a nice waterfront with several bars spread along the malecon, plenty of public transport, lots of nice looking chicas (including Haitianas) and you can always enjoy hearing amusing anecdotes from weyland if you offer to buy him a Sprite!

Actually, PP might become a fertile hunting ground in the future for many North Coast travelers if serious reforms are put in place to curtail a certain activity in that little bitty beach town down the road.

[Bhutto,BhuttoGolly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IofmfbhnOQ
OmG...Outback Steakhouse! Lol
this phony national-pride/femi-nazi BS made me want to puke!

[weyland]

I think thats why I have taken a liking to Puerta Plata. It's a bigger city...but not so big, has a nice waterfront with several bars spread along the malecon, plenty of public transport, lots of nice looking chicas (including Haitianas) and you can always enjoy hearing amusing anecdotes from weyland if you offer to buy him a Sprite!

Actually, PP might become a fertile hunting ground in the future for many North Coast travelers if serious reforms are put in place to curtail a certain activity in that little bitty beach town down the road.
In one of the rants by the Tourism Minister he mentioned specific towns to be cleaned up but Pto Pta was not one of them.

Twelve years ago Pto Pta was the whore town on the North Coast before the rise of Sosua. Which is why Dominican Billy started first the Sandtrap (later Blackbeards) and then Field of Dreams there (though in the case of the latter the train had already left the station). There were a dozen florishing whore bars, including Yellowbeards and Mountain View. Maybe we will see the pendulum swing back. I now charge 5 pesos per anecdote. All monies to a good cause.

[surreal83]

Unfortunately I can't contribute to the Santo Domingo and Santiago talk. I've been to Sosua a BUNCH of times and haven't felt the need to branch out and my longest trip was a week. I think I would agree with dquick though because I live and work in NYC. I don't think I would enjoy vacationing in a big city when I'm just looking for pussy. Maybe I need some enlightenment about the areas. My buddy just got back from POP on his first trip and said Cristals had better chicks than CMP and Passions. I know, a little pricey but it's on my next trip. Now as far as the crackdown? I have a trip in July coming up. Let's say they really put pressure on the girls and the hordes are no longer at Rumba and D'Latin. I really doubt they'll get rid of Passions, CMP, Cristal and all the suck shacks. So I'll just bide my time until the heat goes away. I've researched other monger spots and have heard mixed reviews. So the situation would have to be pretty dire for me to just go to a completely new place. I live in NYC and the flight to Bangkok is fucking crazy. Is it worth it? I also checked out medellin and a lot of guys are saying it's not what it used to be and scumbag gringos give us a bad name there? Or maybe I'll just quit mongering, get a wifey and hit up the asian rub n tug spots once in a while. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[ROVER]

From Dominican Today

Bill creates Dominican Republic’s 1st "red light district" submitted again

http://www.dominicantoday.com/image/article/13/209x400/0/5BE8A48F-1943-4218-97A3-0B0D8F8418FD.jpeg

Esther Minyeti. Photo plutis.com
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/img/bits/blue-round-more.gifZoom Picture


Santo Domingo. – Opposition deputy Esther Minyety on Friday said she submitted the bill to create the "red light district" to the lower Chamber, because the originally proposed legislation had expired.
The PRD party legislator said she’s confident the bill aimed at establishing norms for streets near historical places where women offer sexual services will pass.
She said the bill, already sent to a committee of Deputies to study, has the support some 130 lawmakers, from only three just three years ago.
As to Justice minister Francisco Dominguez’s warning of arresting men who use women’s sexual services, Minyety said there’s no such law, and punishes the pimps instead. "A public policy is needed to create a fixed place for them to offer their services and not at every corner, with skimpy clothing even."

[Hanzo]

Now the women, I give you that. I have seen some of the finest women in any country in La Capital. And lately, I have turned down more free ass in that city........BUT that is another story.

My point is more about the vacation traveler. I like to relax when I am on vacation.....Fuck a young chica.....Then relax some more. I find nothing relaxing about this city. Maybe some from big citiies have a different perspective. I work in a city. Commute in traffic every day. SD is not the vibe I

You are not a tourist in Santo Domingo Hazo. To be honest, I am not a tourist in Santo Domingo either. I agree that there are things to do, once the business of the day is complete. Daytime for a tourist on a Wednesday??? Leave the city and go to the beach, maybe. The malls don't get good until people get out of work. Give me a small beach town any day on vacation. If I am with a special someone, I know several out of the way beaches where the sand and surf is perfect, no abundance of vendors will bother you, No kids begging for money, and no other gringos in site. Open up the cooler, with cold presidentes. Order pescado from one of only a couple stands on a beach like this. And hold hands with my favorita. NOW THATS A VACATION!


I don't want to steer this thread away from it's original intent, because we could spend days discussing the merits of Santo Domingo as a vacation spot, until we're both blue in the face, and the best part is there is no right or wrong answer, it's a completely subjective thing.


I will however make the point that daytime on any given day of the week in Santo Domingo, there's something to be done, whether it be chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool, or something else. I personally like nothing more than to heading over to Megacentro, going to the last floor grabbing a bite to eat in the food court, parking my ass by the South Eastern corner of the food court, and watching all afternoon as many fine girls, come in, and out of Universidad O & M which is right there, and inviting every single one that tickles my fancy to come sit down, and chat for a while. I have spent hours doing that before just because for me there isn't a better way to kill time on vacation, then just talking to pretty girls. We're probably not going to see eye to eye on this subject because we're into different things, but at least we can both agree that a good vacation is spent in the company of a nice looking girl.

I just wonder how many guys will share your sentiment in terms of mongering elsewhere. I mean how many small beach towns are there out there to monger in? Probably not all that many, so if guys have to branch out to different parts of the world, or the DR how many will be accept to adapt to the change, and how many wont?

[greydread]

I don't want to steer this thread away from it's original intent, because we could spend days discussing the merits of Santo Domingo as a vacation spot, until we're both blue in the face, and the best part is there is no right or wrong answer, it's a completely subjective thing.




On the contrary, I think that your point goes right to the heart of the matter.

In the Capitol, we find a broader cross section of Dominican culture and the interesting part (to me, anyway) is that what we call "mongering" they look at as a normal part of just being a Man. Not in the way that most sexually repressed U.S. guys do it, getting off the plane and running around like a crazed Horn-Dog, waving money around and making it rain and thinking they're instant Ballers. No. The way that it's done there is more respectful and appreciative and far more subtle. It's more like the mongering experience is a mini romance with all the wonder and mystery that comes with sharing intimacy with a complete stranger, turning that stranger-stranger relationship into the kind of friendship which will bring a smile to our faces as we remember the details of its origin.

I'm sure that there's an easier way to explain this phenomenon in Spanish but I'm just not that good at the language yet. The type of relationship I'm talking about is beneficial to both parties involved and there's nothing disrespectful or abusive about it and it's a small celebration of the thing between Cats and Dogs which happens as often as it needs to in our daily lives to keep them from slipping into boredom and complacency.

This is the way it's done and the push back is against the intrusion of the Vegas Strip style of "I got tha dough, show me that ass" as it runs contrary to the norm which has been accepted and practiced over generations and hundreds of years.

The message I'm getting out of all this legislative posturing is "Come here, share our culture, enjoy our people and their ways but don't try to change things". I read that message Lima Charley and I accept it.

[dquick]

I don't want to steer this thread away from it's original intent, because we could spend days discussing the merits of Santo Domingo as a vacation spot, until we're both blue in the face, and the best part is there is no right or wrong answer, it's a completely subjective thing.


I will however make the point that daytime on any given day of the week in Santo Domingo, there's something to be done, whether it be chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool, or something else. I personally like nothing more than to heading over to Megacentro, going to the last floor grabbing a bite to eat in the food court, parking my ass by the South Eastern corner of the food court, and watching all afternoon as many fine girls, come in, and out of Universidad O & M which is right there, and inviting every single one that tickles my fancy to come sit down, and chat for a while. I have spent hours doing that before just because for me there isn't a better way to kill time on vacation, then just talking to pretty girls. We're probably not going to see eye to eye on this subject because we're into different things, but at least we can both agree that a good vacation is spent in the company of a nice looking girl.

I just wonder how many guys will share your sentiment in terms of mongering elsewhere. I mean how many small beach towns are there out there to monger in? Probably not all that many, so if guys have to branch out to different parts of the world, or the DR how many will be accept to adapt to the change, and how many wont?

I have seen crackdowns in the US in the past. Guys will go away for a while, then another area in the same city will pick up. The word gets out and guys go to the new area. I bet the same thing will happen in the DR, especially since we have the internet and sites like this. If they get serious about cleaning up Sosua, they can easily run most mongers and chicas out of town. BUT as Weyland suggested, maybe Puerto Plata will pick up. Maybe one of the may Dominican clubs in Puerto Plata will start catering to Mongers. Hell, maybe Armando will open a Classicos II in Puerto Plata. Word will spread and guys will start booking hotels in Puerto Plata.

Or maybe the crackdown will be big in Sosua, but not in Boca. And what about all the other small beach towns in Dominican Republic. Let's say Cabrera for argument. You add a few hoes, more Mongers will visit. If Mongers started visiting regularly, more girls will start to come. Ex-pats will start buying hotels and caiter to Mongers. This will feed on itself and under 5 years, you will have a new Sosua......Well maybe not in Cabrera. It is not close to an airport and there are Dominicans with money in the area. They would not let this get started......But you get the point.

[dquick]

.......

This is the way it's done and the push back is against the intrusion of the Vegas Strip style of "I got tha dough, show me that ass" as it runs contrary to the norm which has been accepted and practiced over generations and hundreds of years.

The message I'm getting out of all this legislative posturing is "Come here, share our culture, enjoy our people and their ways but don't try to change things". I read that message Lima Charley and I accept it.



As to Justice minister Francisco Dominguez’s warning of arresting men who use women’s sexual services, Minyety said there’s no such law, and punishes the pimps instead. "A public policy is needed to create a fixed place for them to offer their services and not at every corner, with skimpy clothing even."

Greydread,

You have a good point. I don't think anybody is against the type of subtle Mongering you are talking about. I once got the number of a chica working in the gift shop outside of POP airport. Called her up, met her in Cabarete, and ended the night between the sheets. (Of course, she did not meet me in Sosua.) Yes, she was looking for a little financial help in the morning, but this is not the "in your face" mongering that I do in Sosua.

The real solution is what is being proposed by Minyety. Set up a red light district and contain the "in your face" prostitution to those areas. It is good to here that there are Dominican Politicians that can find a solution which will make everybody happy.

I have a proposal for a red light district in Sosua. Start a Passions on PC and end at the Casino, where After 1 is our late night spot. I can see keeping the "in your face" stuff off the beach. Dominican families come to the beach on Sundays and the beach does attract Non-monger tourists. Containing our activities to one long street, will make most happy....with the agreement that our activity would not be allowed to spread.

[MrHappy]

On the contrary, I think that your point goes right to the heart of the matter.

In the Capitol, we find a broader cross section of Dominican culture and the interesting part (to me, anyway) is that what we call "mongering" they look at as a normal part of just being a Man. Not in the way that most sexually repressed U.S. guys do it, getting off the plane and running around like a crazed Horn-Dog, waving money around and making it rain and thinking they're instant Ballers. No. The way that it's done there is more respectful and appreciative and far more subtle. It's more like the mongering experience is a mini romance with all the wonder and mystery that comes with sharing intimacy with a complete stranger, turning that stranger-stranger relationship into the kind of friendship which will bring a smile to our faces as we remember the details of its origin.
The message I'm getting out of all this legislative posturing is "Come here, share our culture, enjoy our people and their ways but don't try to change things". I read that message Lima Charley and I accept it.

Bingo. It wasn't that long ago that this was the ONLY way it was done. Discreet. Out of view. No advertising. No splashing videos all over the internet of "the girls I fucked"

I'm glad to see the politicos aren't too crazy about eliminating it lock, stock and barrel either.

[BrooklynBeas]

I'm glad to see the politicos aren't too crazy about eliminating it lock, stock and barrel either.

They want their pay-off money just as much as the cops...

[MrHappy]

They want their pay-off money just as much as the cops...

Um... no, they wanna get laid just like the rest of us.

A lot of the politicos here are guys that aren't half as smart as the rest of us, who happen to get elected to the gravy train that is known as politics here.

More than a few have been chastised for playing around with girls that haven't quite reached their 18th birthday yet.

[hugrad95a]

https://bigstory.ap.org/article/dominican-republic-sets-crackdown-prostitution

So they spash this all over the AP news and then decide to try an create a red light district. Wow what a country.

[hugrad95a]

http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000772

[hugrad95a]

Don't they realize that guys are gonna still hit the bars and try to get laid. Whether they pay or not really doesn't make a difference.

[greydread]

http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000772

Hilarious. Guys from a bunch of countries with limited legality (US, Canada, Australia) flocking to countries where prostitution is illegal (Thailand, Jamaica, Philippines) for the purposes of procuring....Prostitutes :rofl:

You can't make this shit up!

[Rubicon]

Saw a gringo out yesterday in PP who looked to be 60+ with what looked like a barely 18yo chica. My guess is that's the type of guy who might draw some attention. Although many gringos might live in denial even the Dominicans are smart enough to know those chicas aren't with us out of love.

[BrooklynBeas]

Hilarious. Guys from a bunch of countries with limited legality (US, Canada, Australia) flocking to countries where prostitution is illegal (Thailand, Jamaica, Philippines) for the purposes of procuring....Prostitutes :rofl:

You can't make this shit up!

If you haven't, you have to read further into each country... Some countries and their laws involving prostitution are pretty funny..

Some not funny, but absurd and pretty sad...

For example: Indonesia

"Prostitution is not specifically addressed in the law. However, many officials interpreted "crimes against decency/morality" to apply to prostitution. Prostitution was widespread and largely tolerated, despite its contradiction with popular societal and religious norms. During the year security forces reportedly participated in operating brothels or protection rackets by shielding brothels from prosecution. International sex tourism reportedly continued, especially on the islands of Batam and Karimun and in major urban centers across the country...
The number of child prostitutes in the country was unclear, but the problem was widespread. Many teenage girls were forced into or found themselves caught in debt bondage. At times law enforcement officials treated child prostitutes as criminals rather than victims. Corrupt civil servants issued identity cards to underage girls, facilitating entry into the sex trade. There also were reports of sexual exploitation of boys. The country was a destination for child sex tourism. During the year NGOs reported that long active pedophile rings continued to operate in Bali. NGO observers said many girls were forced into prostitution after failed marriages entered into when they were 10 to 14 years of age. There was no obvious violation of the law because their paperwork identified them as adults due to the fact that they were once married."

[BrooklynBeas]

Saw a gringo out yesterday in PP who looked to be 60+ with what looked like a barely 18yo chica. My guess is that's the type of guy who might draw some attention. Although many gringos might live in denial even the Dominicans are smart enough to know those chicas aren't with us out of love.

Did you say hi to Weyland? lol

[greydread]

If you haven't, you have to read further into each country... Some countries and their laws involving prostitution are pretty funny..

Some not funny, but absurd and pretty sad...

For example: Indonesia

"Prostitution is not specifically addressed in the law. However, many officials interpreted "crimes against decency/morality" to apply to prostitution. Prostitution was widespread and largely tolerated, despite its contradiction with popular societal and religious norms. During the year security forces reportedly participated in operating brothels or protection rackets by shielding brothels from prosecution. International sex tourism reportedly continued, especially on the islands of Batam and Karimun and in major urban centers across the country...
The number of child prostitutes in the country was unclear, but the problem was widespread. Many teenage girls were forced into or found themselves caught in debt bondage. At times law enforcement officials treated child prostitutes as criminals rather than victims. Corrupt civil servants issued identity cards to underage girls, facilitating entry into the sex trade. There also were reports of sexual exploitation of boys. The country was a destination for child sex tourism. During the year NGOs reported that long active pedophile rings continued to operate in Bali. NGO observers said many girls were forced into prostitution after failed marriages entered into when they were 10 to 14 years of age. There was no obvious violation of the law because their paperwork identified them as adults due to the fact that they were once married."
Funny you brought this one up. It caught my eye 1st.

[BrooklynBeas]

Funny you brought this one up. It caught my eye 1st.

Probably not by accident... After seeing a couple guys reports on Jakarta, it sounds pretty tempting... Allie had some stunners IMO...

As of today, Jakarta and AC are on top of my list of places I would love to be...

[Rubicon]

Did you say hi to Weyland? lol

This guy was too handsome, too young, and too fit to be weyland. lol

Haven't seen weyland in some time but, this being such a short trip (only 4 days on the ground) can't say he was a priority. No offense, weyland.

One more night and got to make the best of it.

[DCIronman]

On the contrary, I think that your point goes right to the heart of the matter.

In the Capitol, we find a broader cross section of Dominican culture and the interesting part (to me, anyway) is that what we call "mongering" they look at as a normal part of just being a Man. Not in the way that most sexually repressed U.S. guys do it, getting off the plane and running around like a crazed Horn-Dog, waving money around and making it rain and thinking they're instant Ballers. No. The way that it's done there is more respectful and appreciative and far more subtle. It's more like the mongering experience is a mini romance with all the wonder and mystery that comes with sharing intimacy with a complete stranger, turning that stranger-stranger relationship into the kind of friendship which will bring a smile to our faces as we remember the details of its origin.

I'm sure that there's an easier way to explain this phenomenon in Spanish but I'm just not that good at the language yet. The type of relationship I'm talking about is beneficial to both parties involved and there's nothing disrespectful or abusive about it and it's a small celebration of the thing between Cats and Dogs which happens as often as it needs to in our daily lives to keep them from slipping into boredom and complacency.

This is the way it's done and the push back is against the intrusion of the Vegas Strip style of "I got tha dough, show me that ass" as it runs contrary to the norm which has been accepted and practiced over generations and hundreds of years.

The message I'm getting out of all this legislative posturing is "Come here, share our culture, enjoy our people and their ways but don't try to change things". I read that message Lima Charley and I accept it.

This is how I was taught to do it in Santiago as well. It's a part of their culture, and to be honest, I can't think of a way to explain it in Spanish either. I guess the closest I've heard is when a dominicano refers to his "amante", or lover. But this is more of a regular relationship than the occasional toto for "ayuda" that is the most common way toto is "traded" in that country. An amante is usually a young chick that you are "sponsoring" so to speak. It's a relationship between two people that is rarely negotiated, whether it's your amante, or some young piece you chatted up at a colmado. It simply occurs based upon a mutual understanding that this is how it is done. You've taken the time to talk to her, vet her suitability, and you move forward assuming she'll perform. While she has sized you up, decided you're not a cheap-ass, and moves forward assuming you'll be generous.

It's beautiful in it's simplicity, and most importantly, it's discretion. Yes, it's takes more time. But then, it's really not based upon short-time vacation principles. Yet, I think that the rewards are greater in that it consistently results in a much more satisfying experience.:corky:

[uncle ruckus]

This is how I was taught to do it in Santiago as well. It's a part of their culture, and to be honest, I can't think of a way to explain it in Spanish either. I guess the closest I've heard is when a dominicano refers to his "amante", or lover. But this is more of a regular relationship than the occasional toto for "ayuda" that is the most common way toto is "traded" in that country. An amante is usually a young chick that you are "sponsoring" so to speak. It's a relationship between two people that is rarely negotiated, whether it's your amante, or some young piece you chatted up at a colmado. It simply occurs based upon a mutual understanding that this is how it is done. You've taken the time to talk to her, vet her suitability, and you move forward assuming she'll perform. While she has sized you up, decided you're not a cheap-ass, and moves forward assuming you'll be generous.

It's beautiful in it's simplicity, and most importantly, it's discretion. Yes, it's takes more time. But then, it's really not based upon short-time vacation principles. Yet, I think that the rewards are greater in that it consistently results in a much more satisfying experience.:corky:

This is as good and accurate a description as I've ever heard or read. You can't describe it in Spanish because it's not discussed. The closest you'll probably get is saying "Una amiga que estoy ayudando." Or the girl might ask the benefactor, "Papi, dame una ayudita para mis clases." That's part of the discretion aspect. It's informal, flexible, and quiet.

[MrHappy]

This is as good and accurate a description as I've ever heard or read. You can't describe it in Spanish because it's not discussed. The closest you'll probably get is saying "Una amiga que estoy ayudando." Or the girl might ask the benefactor, "Papi, dame una ayudita para mis clases." That's part of the discretion aspect. It's informal, flexible, and quiet.

For those of you that are making an effort of comprehending this train of thought, this should help explain why there are many times a girl will tell you "I'm not a prostitute."

In her mind, she isn't. She's looking for the "galan" that will enter into the type of agreement that's beneficial to both, without the degrading experience they end up getting.

At lot of girls go to Sosua because they hear the gringo tourists will treat them very nice, and give them money to boot.

When they first hit that town, they are probably more surprised than anybody when they first words they get is the "Hi, what's your name? 1500 fucky sucky?" coming from men they thought would treat them nice.

They think they'll meet a guy that will talk to them, spend some time with them, and maybe if they're lucky, fall in love with them.

It only takes them a few days to adapt to how things work, and before you know it, they become the "dame leche" girls that none of us like.

[BrooklynBeas]

This is as good and accurate a description as I've ever heard or read. You can't describe it in Spanish because it's not discussed. The closest you'll probably get is saying "Una amiga que estoy ayudando." Or the girl might ask the benefactor, "Papi, dame una ayudita para mis clases." That's part of the discretion aspect. It's informal, flexible, and quiet.

Sounds like we are talking about my rich Dominican friend that owns the wholesale business in Santiago... When he is home and with the family, its all about family, spending time, eating, and nothing else...

But when he wants to hang with his friends and go out, thats when his "friends" are in the picture... He has a couple of side pieces, they know he is married and has a family, they know he will take care of them monetarily, and they know when he is not with them, he is a family man... There is nothing expected by the side pieces other then sex, money, and have a nice day... Call you when i'm free... They also know that if they see him in public, they don't know him... The cabana for the most part is the only place they are together... The End...

[uncle ruckus]

Sounds like we are talking about my rich Dominican friend that owns the wholesale business in Santiago... When he is home and with the family, its all about family, spending time, eating, and nothing else...

But when he wants to hang with his friends and go out, thats when his "friends" are in the picture... He has a couple of side pieces, they know he is married and has a family, they know he will take care of them monetarily, and they know when he is not with them, he is a family man... There is nothing expected by the side pieces other then sex, money, and have a nice day... Call you when i'm free... They also know that if they see him in public, they don't know him... The cabana for the most part is the only place they are together... The End...

It really is a wonderful setup!

[uncle ruckus]

As far as the topic at hand, here's a letter to the editor in the Listin Diario that sums up my opinion better than I could write it.

http://www.listin.com.do/puntos-de-vista/2013/5/21/277719/Si-pero-no


Si no se trata de un juego -y menos de un amago protagónico del Procurador-, entonces lo primero que debió buscar el doctor Francisco Domínguez Brito era ganar aliados para garantizar el éxito de su cruzada con el tema de la prostitución. Y para conseguir respaldo y poder encarar juntos un problema tan sensitivo, de tantas implicaciones y de profundas raíces económico-sociales de por medio, había que poner bien en claro que la intención no era dañarle el negocio a nadie ni perseguir a quienes, en definitiva, son víctimas.
Si alguien se llegó a reír de los planes o las advertencias del Procurador, como el mismo refiere, debió ser por la convicción generalizada de que la prostitución es una realidad ancestral con la que no ha podido nada ni nadie, y que en el país es historia, que ni Trujillo en sus mejores tiempos encontró cómo enfrentarla, pues cuando intentó meterle el pico cerrando bares y negocios donde se comercializaba el sexo, le observaron que consumo de bebidas y recaudaciones se fueron al suelo en poco tiempo.
Ahora, frente a la advertencia del procurador Domínguez Brito de perseguir judicialmente a quienes sean encontrados buscando sexo por dinero, las primeras en protestar son las mujeres que tienen dicha actividad por oficio o trabajo para comer y mantener a sus hijos, alegando que los clientes se han alejado en por lo menos un 50%.
En pocas palabras, que las amenazas del Procurador les han echado a perder el negocio. Es una pena porque la intención es buena e incluso hay que reconocer que, ante no hacer nada por el problema y quedarse de brazos cruzados, es plausible la iniciativa del funcionario del área judicial. Hubo un problema de enfoque a la entrada, con lo de “apresar a los clientes” de quienes ejercen la prostitución, pero como él mismo expresara a Diario Libre, lo más importante es “generar un debate sobre algo que no es sólo un abuso a la víctima, sino de otros aspectos que al país debería llamarle enormemente la atención”.
Por lo pronto, vale la preocupación de que al país se le venda como un paraíso sexual, así como la disposición de golpear a las redes mafiosas que, por medio del secuestro, engaño, encierro y todo tipo de abuso, reclutan a las víctimas, muchas de ellas menores de edad. A eso es que hay que entrarle, ¡no a clientes y víctimas!



Run it through Google Translate cause I don't have the time to translate the whole thing.

[Mr. Smooth]

Hilarious. Guys from a bunch of countries with limited legality (US, Canada, Australia) flocking to countries where prostitution is illegal (Thailand, Jamaica, Philippines) for the purposes of procuring....Prostitutes :rofl:

You can't make this shit up!

What about Afghanistan? I read that since the Taliban has been shoved aside (well....I suppose the jury is still out on that to be honest...) prostitution is thriving. So anybody up for a trip to Kabul?

I imagine there are some short time rooms out back of Habib's House of Kebab's. :corky:

[DMV]

Great post DC and Uncle Ruckus!!

Oh, Happy Mother's Day to all you Mothers. I know I did my part in helping a few chicas buy some gifts for their mothers this weekend.;)

Also is it a combination of Memorial day in America and Mothers's day in DR that has brought out the Dominicans? I guess The ones that could get a ticket from the U.S. made it back home. The Casinos were super packed with families.

[MrHappy]

Great post DC and Uncle Ruckus!!

Oh, Happy Mother's Day to all you Mother's. I know I did my part in helping a few chicas buy some gifts for their mothers this weekend.;)

Also is it a combination of Memorial day in America and Mother's day in DR that has brought out the Dominicans? I guess The ones that could get a ticket made it back home. The Casinos were super packed with families.

I took the house cleaner to Caribe Tours yesterday so she can go home to her mother's house. Caribe Tours and all of the surrounding streets was a huge clusterfuck.

It took us over an hour to get to CT from Maximo Gomez, and that was in the right lane (not the elevated lanes)

The left "fast" lanes (tunnels and elevated lanes) were bumper to bumper from Nunez de Caceres. Incredible.

[DMV]

I took the house cleaner to Caribe Tours yesterday so she can go home to her mother's house. Caribe Tours and all of the surrounding streets was a huge clusterfuck.

It took us over an hour to get to CT from Maximo Gomez, and that was in the right lane (not the elevated lanes)

The left "fast" lanes (tunnels and elevated lanes) were bumper to bumper from Nunez de Caceres. Incredible.


That's why you forgot about me.:(

[DCIronman]

Great post DC and Uncle Ruckus!!

Oh, Happy Mother's Day to all you Mothers. I know I did my part in helping a few chicas buy some gifts for their mothers this weekend.;)

Also is it a combination of Memorial day in America and Mothers's day in DR that has brought out the Dominicans? I guess The ones that could get a ticket from the U.S. made it back home. The Casinos were super packed with families.

It's funny. I was checking FB earlier, and I noticed a lot of my "friends" wishing their mothers "feliz dia de las madres" and posting pics. Man, none of the mothers in these pics can possibly be over 35yrs old. And they're all wearing tight pants and low cut tops showing mucho cleavage.:rofl::rofl::rofl:

On another note, I also discovered that one of my paisa FB friends is here in Cancun this weekend. Amazing how cats take these hos on expensive vacations. She's a longtime Mansion chica. And me being me, I sent her a message. Hope the guy that funded her trip isn't reading this.

[Rubicon]

At lot of girls go to Sosua because they hear the gringo tourists will treat them very nice, and give them money to boot.

Senor, Mr.Happy, I've almost always agreed with your opinions and positions on things, but I think I have to tweak this just a bit:

At lot of girls go to Sosua because they hear the gringo tourists will give them a shit load of money, and treat them very nice to boot.

I hope you don't mind?

[Jimmydr]

Senor, Mr.Happy, I've almost always agreed with your opinions and positions on things, but I think I have to tweak this just a bit:

At lot of girls go to Sosua because they hear the gringo tourists will give them a shit load of money, and treat them very nice to boot.

I hope you don't mind?

It wasn't always like that.

[Jimmydr]

It's funny. I was checking FB earlier, and I noticed a lot of my "friends" wishing their mothers "feliz dia de las madres" and posting pics. Man, none of the mothers in these pics can possibly be over 35yrs old. And they're all wearing tight pants and low cut tops showing mucho cleavage.:rofl::rofl::rofl:

On another note, I also discovered that one of my paisa FB friends is here in Cancun this weekend. Amazing how cats take these hos on expensive vacations. She's a longtime Mansion chica. And me being me, I sent her a message. Hope the guy that funded her trip isn't reading this.

18 year old chicas have 34 year old mothers.

[Rubicon]

It wasn't always like that.

Sadly, it wasn't that long ago. I cut my teeth here on ISOC.

[surreal83]

This is how I was taught to do it in Santiago as well. It's a part of their culture, and to be honest, I can't think of a way to explain it in Spanish either. I guess the closest I've heard is when a dominicano refers to his "amante", or lover. But this is more of a regular relationship than the occasional toto for "ayuda" that is the most common way toto is "traded" in that country. An amante is usually a young chick that you are "sponsoring" so to speak. It's a relationship between two people that is rarely negotiated, whether it's your amante, or some young piece you chatted up at a colmado. It simply occurs based upon a mutual understanding that this is how it is done. You've taken the time to talk to her, vet her suitability, and you move forward assuming she'll perform. While she has sized you up, decided you're not a cheap-ass, and moves forward assuming you'll be generous.

It's beautiful in it's simplicity, and most importantly, it's discretion. Yes, it's takes more time. But then, it's really not based upon short-time vacation principles. Yet, I think that the rewards are greater in that it consistently results in a much more satisfying experience.:corky:

God damn I got a lot to learn and wasn't taught well!!! I really just did some research, got some advice and off to Sosua I went. The point and click was fun at first and I was the "Muy Bonita mami", "Cuanto?", alright let's get the fuck outta here guy because I didn't know any better. After a bunch of trips and learning A LITLLE more spanish, the point and click wasn't doing it anymore. Even if it's a girl in Sosua, I gotta have a little conversation, a couple of drinks and some dancing just to get the feel for her and get interested. It really makes the WHOLE experience better. It's not exactly what you guys are talking about but I just stumbled into it. I've got one favorita who I've basically developed this kind of relationship with and it's a beautiful thing. Now she blows up the What'sApp when I'm home. Ha!

[Ramair4]

As far as the topic at hand, here's a letter to the editor in the Listin Diario that sums up my opinion better than I could write it.

http://www.listin.com.do/puntos-de-vista/2013/5/21/277719/Si-pero-no

Si no se trata de un juego -y menos de un amago protagónico del Procurador-, entonces lo primero que debió buscar el doctor Francisco Domínguez Brito era ganar aliados para garantizar el éxito de su cruzada con el tema de la prostitución. Y para conseguir respaldo y poder encarar juntos un problema tan sensitivo, de tantas implicaciones y de profundas raíces económico-sociales de por medio, había que poner bien en claro que la intención no era dañarle el negocio a nadie ni perseguir a quienes, en definitiva, son víctimas.
Si alguien se llegó a reír de los planes o las advertencias del Procurador, como el mismo refiere, debió ser por la convicción generalizada de que la prostitución es una realidad ancestral con la que no ha podido nada ni nadie, y que en el país es historia, que ni Trujillo en sus mejores tiempos encontró cómo enfrentarla, pues cuando intentó meterle el pico cerrando bares y negocios donde se comercializaba el sexo, le observaron que consumo de bebidas y recaudaciones se fueron al suelo en poco tiempo.
Ahora, frente a la advertencia del procurador Domínguez Brito de perseguir judicialmente a quienes sean encontrados buscando sexo por dinero, las primeras en protestar son las mujeres que tienen dicha actividad por oficio o trabajo para comer y mantener a sus hijos, alegando que los clientes se han alejado en por lo menos un 50%.
En pocas palabras, que las amenazas del Procurador les han echado a perder el negocio. Es una pena porque la intención es buena e incluso hay que reconocer que, ante no hacer nada por el problema y quedarse de brazos cruzados, es plausible la iniciativa del funcionario del área judicial. Hubo un problema de enfoque a la entrada, con lo de “apresar a los clientes” de quienes ejercen la prostitución, pero como él mismo expresara a Diario Libre, lo más importante es “generar un debate sobre algo que no es sólo un abuso a la víctima, sino de otros aspectos que al país debería llamarle enormemente la atención”.
Por lo pronto, vale la preocupación de que al país se le venda como un paraíso sexual, así como la disposición de golpear a las redes mafiosas que, por medio del secuestro, engaño, encierro y todo tipo de abuso, reclutan a las víctimas, muchas de ellas menores de edad. A eso es que hay que entrarle, ¡no a clientes y víctimas!



Run it through Google Translate cause I don't have the time to translate the whole thing.


"If it is not a game - or a less than a leading Attorney-feint, then first thing you should look for the Dr. Francisco Domínguez Brito was winning allies to ensure the success of its crusade with the theme of prostitution. And to get back and to face together a so sensitive, so many implications and deep-rooted socio-economic problem of environment, had to get well clear that intention was not to damage your business to anyone or pursue those who, ultimately, are victims.
If someone came to laugh at the plans or the warnings of the Prosecutor, as the same concerns, must have been by the widespread belief that prostitution is an ancient reality that has not anything or anyone, and that the country is history, or Trujillo in his best times found how to deal with it, because when tried to put the peak closing bars and businesses where marketed sexnoted you that consumption of drinks and proceeds went to ground in a short time.
Now, the warning of the Prosecutor Dominguez Brito of prosecution who are found looking for sex for money, the first to protest are women who have such activity by trade or work to eat and keep their children, alleging that customers have moved away in at least 50%.
In a nutshell, that the threats of the Procurator have spoiled them the business. It is a pity because the intention is good and even admittedly, to not do anything for the problem and stand by idly, it is plausible to the initiative of the officer of the judicial area. There was a problem of focus at the entrance, with the "arrest customers" of those who work as prostitutes, but as he expressed to Diario Libre, the most important thing is "to generate a debate on something that is not only an abuse to the victim, but other aspects that the country should call you greatly care".
It is worth the concern that the country sell you as a sexual paradise, as well as the provision of hitting the mafia networks which, by means of abduction, deception, closure and all kinds of abuse, recruit the victims, many of them minors. That is you have to enter, no clients and victims!"




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[dquick]

Sadly, it wasn't that long ago. I cut my teeth here on ISOC.

I read this same thing all the time, but respectfully to You and Jimmy, this is really not true. In 2003, from what I have read, guys were paying chicas on average 1000 pesos for ST. Today, the average is 1500 pesos for ST. Well the exachange rate was 34 to 1 then, but is 41 to 1 today. Do the math. That is only $6 more.

In that same period, airline prices has more has doubled. The cost of pussy in the DR is online with inflation. What is really costing Mongers more is the cost of airline tickets......BUT how many threads do you see complaining about that?

And when is the last time the board called a guy PENDEJO for overpaying for an airline ticket???

[Jimmydr]

And when is the last time the board called a guy PENDEJO for overpaying for an airline ticket???

Have you ever gone online to buy a ticket and all the flights were sold out? Once they are sold out, its sold out. You ain't going. If you know anything about economics, different times cost different amounts and everyone on a plane pays a different price.

Thats loke calling someone flying first class stupid. Guess what, coach is never better than first class. :corky:

[Jimmydr]

I read this same thing all the time, but respectfully to You and Jimmy, this is really not true. In 2003, from what I have read, guys were paying chicas on average 1000 pesos for ST. Today, the average is 1500 pesos for ST. Well the exachange rate was 34 to 1 then, but is 41 to 1 today. Do the math. That is only $6 more.



For me short time should cost $20 - $30 and all night should be $40 - $60. I prefer $50 buts exchange rates go up and down. Repeat business which they understand in Medellin should mean a better price. Last trip to Boca, the three or four chicas we had over often understood that as well.


Desperate men create desperate situations and we are fully stocked on those type of guys.

[BrooklynBeas]

I read this same thing all the time, but respectfully to You and Jimmy, this is really not true. In 2003, from what I have read, guys were paying chicas on average 1000 pesos for ST. Today, the average is 1500 pesos for ST. Well the exachange rate was 34 to 1 then, but is 41 to 1 today. Do the math. That is only $6 more.

In that same period, airline prices has more has doubled. The cost of pussy in the DR is online with inflation. What is really costing Mongers more is the cost of airline tickets......BUT how many threads do you see complaining about that?

And when is the last time the board called a guy PENDEJO for overpaying for an airline ticket???

In 2003, we were getting AA netsavers from JFK-POP for $299 without the new international taxes which are over $100 bucks total... We stayed in the Palace for 3 nights for $100... The set rate at Palace was 800 ST, and I think 1200 or 1500 TLN.. girls on the beach would happily go for 500 pesos ST... it was so cheap, I would grab a girl downstairs at the Palace as I was walking the last girl down from my room... the exchange rate eventually went up to 53-1 for a short time, girls didn't change their prices till a little after they went up and for a few trips were were paying close to nothing for everything in DR... I wouldn't mind booking a 3 or 4 day trip because it was cheaper then going out in NYC for the weekend the way I used to go out... Things have changed big time... Now there are less flights and tons more WW going to POP from NYC... You never saw it like that in the past... We could book a couple weeks in advance and still get cheap flights..

[Westy]

In the Capitol, we find a broader cross section of Dominican culture and the interesting part (to me, anyway) is that what we call "mongering" they look at as a normal part of just being a Man. Not in the way that most sexually repressed U.S. guys do it, getting off the plane and running around like a crazed Horn-Dog, waving money around and making it rain and thinking they're instant Ballers. No. The way that it's done there is more respectful and appreciative and far more subtle. It's more like the mongering experience is a mini romance with all the wonder and mystery that comes with sharing intimacy with a complete stranger, turning that stranger-stranger relationship into the kind of friendship which will bring a smile to our faces as we remember the details of its origin.

I'm sure that there's an easier way to explain this phenomenon in Spanish but I'm just not that good at the language yet. The type of relationship I'm talking about is beneficial to both parties involved and there's nothing disrespectful or abusive about it and it's a small celebration of the thing between Cats and Dogs which happens as often as it needs to in our daily lives to keep them from slipping into boredom and complacency.

This is the way it's done and the push back is against the intrusion of the Vegas Strip style of "I got tha dough, show me that ass" as it runs contrary to the norm which has been accepted and practiced over generations and hundreds of years.

The message I'm getting out of all this legislative posturing is "Come here, share our culture, enjoy our people and their ways but don't try to change things". I read that message Lima Charley and I accept it.

Read you five-by-five ... this reminds me of my introduction to the Great Game, down in Asuncion. The first evening down there, our team leader - an old Paraguay hand, who'd run our Southern Cone liaison office in Paraguay before we closed it in an 'economy move' - explained the deal before we went down to Villa Morro for dinner, then to Asuncion's equivalent to Classicos. The chicas were friendly, they drank with us, they hung out with us, they danced with us, and they were happy to come back to our hotel for the night; and after taking them to breakfast (or more usually lunch) we'd give them 'un regalito' of about PY$200,000 - about US$40. At the time, Paraguay's GDP per capita was about $4500, and the chicas regarded $40 as pretty good takings.

It was, as you say, more respectful and appreciative, more of a celebration, and it certainly 'tasted sweeter' than the way it usually goes in the Su.

(But for now ... my Spanish is rusty, as is my 'galanteo'. I need to work on that!)

[SeaWeed]

In that same period, airline prices has more has doubled. The cost of pussy in the DR is online with inflation. What is really costing Mongers more is the cost of airline tickets......BUT how many threads do you see complaining about that?
And when is the last time the board called a guy PENDEJO for overpaying for an airline ticket???
true the cost of flying to the DR has certainly gone up and that one of the major reason not to go to the DR........
or at least for mi it is.........mi can't even think of flying into POP anymore.........it's cost prohibitive.........
and SDQ has gone up.........but how many choices do wi have for the Caribbean to monger at?
not many.......

[LM]

true the cost of flying to the DR has certainly gone up and that one of the major reason not to go to the DR........
or at least for mi it is.........mi can't even think of flying into POP anymore.........it's cost prohibitive.........
and SDQ has gone up.........but how many choices do wi have for the Caribbean to monger at?
not many.......


I'm considering a trip to the DR in a few weeks, but the taxes on a flight ticket is pushing $400 now, crazy......haven't been there in a number of years....

[weyland]

... how many choices do wi have for the Caribbean to monger at?

I cannot think of another one besides the DR. Maybe if anyone knows another one they could suggest it?

[LM]

.........but how many choices do wi have for the Caribbean to monger at?
.......


I cannot think of another one besides the DR. Maybe if anyone knows another one they could suggest it?


I can't think of any others.....:)

[deezl]

true the cost of flying to the DR has certainly gone up and that one of the major reason not to go to the DR........
or at least for mi it is.........mi can't even think of flying into POP anymore.........it's cost prohibitive.........
and SDQ has gone up.........but how many choices do wi have for the Caribbean to monger at?
not many.......

cuba, st maarten, curacao, belize, aruba, costa rica, panama, honduras, nicaragua, colombia...

and i hear they have dem prosts in jamaica also. :wink:

[dquick]

Have you ever gone online to buy a ticket and all the flights were sold out? Once they are sold out, its sold out. You ain't going. If you know anything about economics, different times cost different amounts and everyone on a plane pays a different price.

Thats loke calling someone flying first class stupid. Guess what, coach is never better than first class. :corky:

Rarely do I go online and find ALL flights sold out. The norm is that sometimes, when I want to travel, flights are either too expensive or have ugly connections. I either settle for what is availabe or I fly another time.

Same with a Hoe bar. Sometimes I enter and either all the chicas are too ugly or too expensive. I have the same two choices, settle or fly another time.

[Hanzo]

I find it interesting peoples perspective on how they learned to monger in DR. For me it has always been doing it in a discreet not in your face manner. I started taking solo trips to the DR when I was 15 years old, before then every trip had been with my parents, and siblings, which didn't leave a lot of leeway for any other activities. I don't recall very well what age exactly I became sexually active, I do know it was between the ages of 11 - 13, so by the time I did start making solo trips I had already popped my cherry domestically, and abroad.

My father much like many Dominican dads isn't the type who sat me down, and gave me the birds, and the bee's talk, he pretty much left me to my own devices, I still 'till this day remember vividly, and in great detail the night before my first solo trip how he sat me down, and explained to me how the game is played in DR. He told me if I did end up sleeping with someone, no matter the circumstances at the end kick a little something, something back her way for "ayuda". I didn't really understand that concept to much, but he explained to me how things are done over there, and what was expected of me, I argued that wouldn't the girls be offended that I'm treating them like a hooker, and he shot back, they'll be more offended that I presume I'm Don Juan, and don't need to help her out in any manner.

I have never understood the need to advertise your business to the entire world through videos, or even trying to draw attention to yourself when conducting your business, it was pretty much everything I was told not to do. Honestly speaking I thought the manner of discreet mongering was the only form of style there was before I joined this site, when I saw how other dudes were doing it, I wasn't sure exactly what to make of it, because it went against the form in which I was introduce to the game.

[Rubicon]

In 2003, from what I have read, guys were paying chicas on average 1000 pesos for ST. Today, the average is 1500 pesos for ST.

For the guys who actually do pay 1500 ST. There are far more who are paying well in excess of that who won't post about it, and others who simply aren't on the board. I'd be curious to know how often guys were being quoted 3-4000 pesos back then, and how many of them who are, in fact, paying it today.

I was hanging in Barrio Agua Negra in PP yesterday. What a dump that place is but before the night was over I had a flaca and gave her un regalo of 1k. Some of the tighest pussy I've had in some time.

[whynotme]

For the guys who actually do pay 1500 ST. There are far more who are paying well in excess of that who won't post about it, and others who simply aren't on the board. I'd be curious to know how often guys were being quoted 3-4000 pesos back then, and how many of them who are, in fact, paying it today.

I was hanging in Barrio Agua Negra in PP yesterday. What a dump that place is but before the night was over I had a flaca and gave her un regalo of 1k. Some of the tighest pussy I've had in some time.


back in 04/05/06 i usually always paid 1000 st or even for tln but i found a fresh 18yo super tight little spinner from santiago at franks place in pop during our april 2005 invasion that just outright would not go with anyone for less than 4,000:eek:


i said fuck it and took her:corky:
she was so good i had beas and juan? phone her the next day to come back and meet me and i kept her for the rest of the trip:corky:
that was the only time i ever wifed up in the dr and to me she was worth it. she wasnt there the next trip and has never been seen again so she likely got her wu sponsor or married

at the time i took some flack from members here but i just replied;
its my money, i earned it and i will spend it how i choose:corky:
and that was the end of it.

but your right most do not admit openly as to what they actually do pay but as we are only 1% of the mongers we will never be able to control the prices and life is too short to argue over 10 bucks or be a super cheap cheap charlie.

so if i get an offer i can live with i either take it or pass as there are always more that will take it
but when the one comes along that i just have to have then i still take it,
after all its still my money, i earned it and i will damn well spend it how i want:rofl:

[Rubicon]

after all its still my money, i earned it and i will damn well spend it how i want:rofl:

Yeah, I know.

But, now, if you go back and take a look at the post I was responding to and the context in which I made my reply, you'll see it had to do with dquick stating that the average price for a ST today is 1500, and my point was in questioning whether or not it was an actual average, or whether or not that is what is simply being reported. :rofl:

[whynotme]

Yeah, I know.

But, now, if you go back and take a look at the post I was responding to and the context in which I made my reply, you'll see it had to do with dquick stating that the average price for a ST today is 1500, and my point was in questioning whether or not it was an actual average, or whether or not that is what is simply being reported. :rofl:

i highlited the part i was responding to and was only responding to your question as to whether they asked for 4k way back when and then just rambled on and on and on:rofl:

[JD426]

The "sucker prices" in the DR, have been a high price for a long time, even like 10 + years ago, in Santo Domingo the chicas would TRY for $200- $300 USD at the Jaragua (and these were not Stunners either) , but if you knew the deal you would simply go to the Remington Palace and get a nice TLN for $40 USD and have no problems either ( I dont recall the exchange rate, it was not important anyway ) , .. so its been going on at least that long, its not a new phenomenon .. for what thats worth..These chicas are not better hustlers now, they been hustlers all along, just now its the next generation. ie The kids the grandmothers were babysitting when the mommies were whoring.

[Jimmydr]

The "sucker prices" in the DR, have been a high price for a long time, even like 10 + years ago, in Santo Domingo the chicas would TRY for $200- $300 USD at the Jaragua (and these were not Stunners either) , but if you knew the deal you would simply go to the Remington Palace and get a nice TLN for $40 USD and have no problems either ( I dont recall the exchange rate, it was not important anyway ) , .. so its been going on at least that long, its not a new phenomenon .. for what thats worth..These chicas are not better hustlers now, they been hustlers all along, just now its the next generation. ie The kids the grandmothers were babysitting when the mommies were whoring.

The problem is that every guy wants to believe that he is superior to every hoe out there, while every hoe is laughing that there are so many guys that have to pay to get laid. Every guy in their campo been fucking since they got their dick hard and along comes a bunch of gringos that got to pay to play.


There are both mongers and hoes at the top of this monger mountain as well as layers of simps and hoes getting played.

[camaro1257]

My father much like many Dominican dads isn't the type who sat me down, and gave me the birds, and the bee's talk, he pretty much left me to my own devices, I still 'till this day remember vividly, and in great detail the night before my first solo trip how he sat me down, and explained to me how the game is played in DR. He told me if I did end up sleeping with someone, no matter the circumstances at the end kick a little something, something back her way for "ayuda". I didn't really understand that concept to much, but he explained to me how things are done over there, and what was expected of me, I argued that wouldn't the girls be offended that I'm treating them like a hooker, and he shot back, they'll be more offended that I presume I'm Don Juan, and don't need to help her out in any manner.

.

Hanso, thanks for bringing a cultural perspective to the RD. I am seriously thinking about retiring there in the future and I realize I have much to learn about the culture. Question, when dating a non pro with a normal job say working for the governement or an office would I be expected to give "ayuda" even though we have gone to dinner etc? Is this concept expected in general or is it only expected amongst certain groups of women?

[Ghost Dog]

The problem is that every guy wants to believe that he is superior to every hoe out there, while every hoe is laughing that there are so many guys that have to pay to get laid. Every guy in their campo been fucking since they got their dick hard and along comes a bunch of gringos that got to pay to play.


There are both mongers and hoes at the top of this monger mountain as well as layers of simps and hoes getting played.

I wonder were this hoe is on the monger mountain?????

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/elderly-escort-arrested-689543

Police Sting Nets "Cougar," 71, On Prostitution Rap

[greydread]

I wonder were this hoe is on the monger mountain?????

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/elderly-escort-arrested-689543

Police Sting Nets "Cougar," 71, On Prostitution Rap


Uuuuuugggh!

[JDR]

I wonder were this hoe is on the monger mountain?????

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/elderly-escort-arrested-689543

Police Sting Nets "Cougar," 71, On Prostitution Rap

Look up and you may see it.

[Hanzo]

Hanso, thanks for bringing a cultural perspective to the RD. I am seriously thinking about retiring there in the future and I realize I have much to learn about the culture. Question, when dating a non pro with a normal job say working for the governement or an office would I be expected to give "ayuda" even though we have gone to dinner etc? Is this concept expected in general or is it only expected amongst certain groups of women?


There are dozens of board members from ex-pats, to the dudes who have embraced Dominican culture outside of Sosua who would probably be better equipped to answer your question. From my personal experience, you have to take into account my age, I'm 22 years old, the oldest Dominicana I have ever been with I think was like 25 years old, so I have little to no experience with non-pros with careers, as opposed to jobs, which IMO is what makes a difference, a bitch with a career doesn't need your help all that often, a bitch with a job will have her hand out all the time.

The little experience I have is with 2 girls with were non-pro, both were 25 years old, both had careers (they finished college at 21, which in DR is a rare occurrence, most people seem to be on the 8 - 10 year plan there.) and both have good paying jobs in their field of study (enough to have their own place, drive their own cars, and be completely financially independent.)

In the case of both, there was no need for ayuda, they both looked at my offer of handing them $1,000 pesos like "motherfucker please" and not in the "that's not enough manner", but in the "I don't turn tricks manner." Both told me to keep my money, that they didn't need it, I actually got the same response from both of them "save it for next time, that way we can buy a meal" These were the types of girls who aren't what Dominicans call "interesadas" meaning, on they surface they don't seem to have any interest in milking money out of their partner at any opportunity.

Now these types of girls are the exception not the rule, most of these girls will want/expect ayuda, but don't think ayuda actually means you're going to help/resolve some issues for them with kicking a few pesos her way every now, and then. I once gave this non-pro I was messing around with $2,000 pesos for "ayuda". I visit her place about 3 days after I had given her the money, I find her power is out (and not the "se fue la luz" out, but the electric company cut it off out) she has no food in the fridge, and was leaving in awful conditions. I asked her wtf was up, why didn't she take the money to pay the electric bill, and put some food in the fridge, and she looked at me with a straight face and told me "I rather die of hunger, then walk around with ugly hair" this bitch had taken the money, and ran to the salon, because to her the shame of having to put her hair in a pony tail was worse than starving to death.

These girls will see you as the gringo rich motherfucker, even if you're not rich, they see that you weren't born there, so you must have money, they're under the assumption the streets of North America are lined with $100 dollar bills, to be picked off the street. So most will expect you to throw something there way for fucking, at least from my experience, maybe other members have had different experiences.

[camaro1257]

There are dozens of board members from ex-pats, to the dudes who have embraced Dominican culture outside of Sosua who would probably be better equipped to answer your question. From my personal experience, you have to take into account my age, I'm 22 years old, the oldest Dominicana I have ever been with I think was like 25 years old, so I have little to no experience with non-pros with careers, as opposed to jobs, which IMO is what makes a difference, a bitch with a career doesn't need your help all that often, a bitch with a job will have her hand out all the time.

The little experience I have is with 2 girls with were non-pro, both were 25 years old, both had careers (they finished college at 21, which in DR is a rare occurrence, most people seem to be on the 8 - 10 year plan there.) and both have good paying jobs in their field of study (enough to have their own place, drive their own cars, and be completely financially independent.)

In the case of both, there was no need for ayuda, they both looked at my offer of handing them $1,000 pesos like "motherfucker please" and not in the "that's not enough manner", but in the "I don't turn tricks manner." Both told me to keep my money, that they didn't need it, I actually got the same response from both of them "save it for next time, that way we can buy a meal" These were the types of girls who aren't what Dominicans call "interesadas" meaning, on they surface they don't seem to have any interest in milking money out of their partner at any opportunity.

Now these types of girls are the exception not the rule, most of these girls will want/expect ayuda, but don't think ayuda actually means you're going to help/resolve some issues for them with kicking a few pesos her way every now, and then. I once gave this non-pro I was messing around with $2,000 pesos for "ayuda". I visit her place about 3 days after I had given her the money, I find her power is out (and not the "se fue la luz" out, but the electric company cut it off out) she has no food in the fridge, and was leaving in awful conditions. I asked her wtf was up, why didn't she take the money to pay the electric bill, and put some food in the fridge, and she looked at me with a straight face and told me "I rather die of hunger, then walk around with ugly hair" this bitch had taken the money, and ran to the salon, because to her the shame of having to put her hair in a pony tail was worse than starving to death.

These girls will see you as the gringo rich motherfucker, even if you're not rich, they see that you weren't born there, so you must have money, they're under the assumption the streets of North America are lined with $100 dollar bills, to be picked off the street. So most will expect you to throw something there way for fucking, at least from my experience, maybe other members have had different experiences.

...comprendo...

[Westy]

I once gave this non-pro I was messing around with $2,000 pesos for "ayuda". I visit her place about 3 days after I had given her the money, I find her power is out (and not the "se fue la luz" out, but the electric company cut it off out) she has no food in the fridge, and was leaving in awful conditions. I asked her wtf was up, why didn't she take the money to pay the electric bill, and put some food in the fridge, and she looked at me with a straight face and told me "I rather die of hunger, then walk around with ugly hair" this bitch had taken the money, and ran to the salon, because to her the shame of having to put her hair in a pony tail was worse than starving to death.

That hollow sound you're all hearing from your computers is me, banging my head against my monitor. :banghead:

It should be un-be-fuckin'-lievable. But I'm not surprised. :doh:

[Ghost Dog]

The problem is that every guy wants to believe that he is superior to every hoe out there, while every hoe is laughing that there are so many guys that have to pay to get laid. Every guy in their campo been fucking since they got their dick hard and along comes a bunch of gringos that got to pay to play.


There are both mongers and hoes at the top of this monger mountain as well as layers of simps and hoes getting played.

Jimmydr makes an interesting point (highlighted above) and I have given it some thought, tell me if my thinking is sound on this. I propose what he said is true and I agree with it up to a point or should I say a certain age. Teenagers and young adults fuck each other for free non stop around the world in all cultures it's not unique to the Dominican Republic -When we were young adults didn't we do the same thing, hell for a lot of us it was while we were in college we got the most free pussy we ever did. It was at that age 17-23 or so is when we did the most free fuckin', we fuck a chic in an abandon car, behind your local gas & sip next to the dumpster, we would crawl into the neighbors dog house and fuck - money wasn't even an issue than we were young and horny - and we to laughed at the older dudes paying for pussy that we got for free - I think it's a cycle -

So all I'm saying is this, after a certain age, life gets real and the laughter stops, and we start paying for pussy either with your money or your time but we will pay. Don't think there are 45 year old and older Dominican dudes are walking around with an all the 19 year old pussy you can eat & fuck for free voucher they flash and a the chick says ok and just drops her panties, he is paying for it one way or another

ok now for a little comedy- remember this scene, this is a classic scene from a movie masterpiece- I luv the fact that this chick is consistent moving won't stand still for one second, I wish I saw some shit like that in real life, I'll give that chick $3.22 if she stood still for 3 minutes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12tce-THLUE

[lordg]

I'm telling you guys this is coming from Leonels Wife, and it could be a lot worse than we think, if they start targeting "johns" with the help of the US GOVT..
Remember the child support laws, you cant fly back to the USA and hide anymore, the laws apply here just as if you were there.. Same shit may happen with Prostitution. What you do there, if now made "ILLEGAL" to US citizens, will come back here to bite you..
.. You think the Mayor of Sosua is hard on prostitution, you aint seen NUTHIN yet.. ... I'm gonna find out in July for sure from someone in Santo Domingo, who would know first hand. My nose tells me this is not like the usual crackdowns we have seen.





Apples and Oranges.. Completely Diff scenarios... Mr Happy et al can elaborate ,but I was there when it got bad, REAL bad.. Like everyone was being Pickpocketed, every single night. Girls would physically not leave you alone traveling in packs.. Its fun at first but then just got really annoying, and then just plain dangerous.. Also the Chulo assholes were beating the shit out of the New Girls, one of mine was put in the Hospital cause she didnt give him his Cut.. I met her in the disco, he was tagging along with our group and refused to leave. Told her he is not with us.. but he felt entitled to some $ so he just took it ALL from her and hurt her pretty bad, a cop friend went looking for him to even the score but he disappeared. Bull Shit like that gets old fast.. it was much worse than Sosua ,before the crackdowns, it was just downright dangerous.

Seems , This new "Policy" is purely about Prostitution, and the DR having become a Sex Destination, and the international IMAGE that portrays. IMO the powers that be really believe, or want to believe that if they stop Gringos from traveling for the express purpose of engaging Prostitution.. then the tourists will come back..thats the only way to take this. Sosua is already as SAFE as it can get , for a 3rd world country, Sosua is pretty safe, IMO .. So its definitely not about the safety..


Perhaps there is more in concert here than local involvement. Going through customs today I was asked few more questions than normal. Thought nothing of it. Then after retrieving my suitcase, the customs officer told me to go into another area. I was then asked numerous questions about my trip in a suspicious manner. Learning how to behave from politicians, I kept my cool and handled it well. Am I over analyzing this, possible. But this was somewhat unsettling.

[greydread]

Perhaps there is more in concert here than local involvement. Going through customs today I was asked few more questions than normal. Thought nothing of it. Then after retrieving my suitcase, the customs officer told me to go into another area. I was then asked numerous questions about my trip in a suspicious manner. Learning how to behave from politicians, I kept my cool and handled it well. Am I over analyzing this, possible. But this was somewhat unsettling.

Going through Customs which way?

[WSJ3_Sith_Lord]

Perhaps there is more in concert here than local involvement. Going through customs today I was asked few more questions than normal. Thought nothing of it. Then after retrieving my suitcase, the customs officer told me to go into another area. I was then asked numerous questions about my trip in a suspicious manner. Learning how to behave from politicians, I kept my cool and handled it well. Am I over analyzing this, possible. But this was somewhat unsettling.

Not sure if you are black or white...but as a black man I get the stupid questions and extra security check every time.

So its business as usual for me.

Not racial just the simple fact that the people on this island are soo fucking stupid and caught up with the skin color prejudice that if I were a drug dealer I would just use white americans as drug mules knowing that the custom agents only stop black americans.

[lordg]

Many of you know the discreet game as mentioned in this thread is expected. I learned about this from my ex-Dominican wife. "el otra" (the other) was a common topic from time to time in conversations between the women. Even the 2 house workers we el otra women. A friend of mine's grandmother was one and had 3 children with the man as, el otra. I did not ask what her number was as I am sure she was not the only el otra.

[Leche]

Not sure if you are black or white...but as a black man I get the stupid questions and extra security check every time.

So its business as usual for me.

Not racial just the simple fact that the people on this island are soo fucking stupid and caught up with the skin color prejudice that if I were a drug dealer I would just use white americans as drug mules knowing that the custom agents only stop black americans.
When I arrived at the airport in Santiago, I saw the custom agents stop a Black American which is so fucked up. Unfortunately, racism still exists all over the world. I'm White and my daughter is engaged to a Black man. I fully support the two of them. The skin color of my future son-in-law never crossed my mind.

[lordg]

Going through Customs which way?


Entering USA through Newark. I travel for work and pleasure between 6 and 12 times a year and this was not normal for me. It also does not help me that I have a thick passport (too many extra pages).

[lordg]

Not sure if you are black or white...but as a black man I get the stupid questions and extra security check every time.

So its business as usual for me.

Not racial just the simple fact that the people on this island are soo fucking stupid and caught up with the skin color prejudice that if I were a drug dealer I would just use white americans as drug mules knowing that the custom agents only stop black americans.



I do not believe in racial discrimination. Sadly, the world does not agree with me. Sorry to hear about your experiences. My mantra is to suspect the least likely, not the most likely stereotypical type.

[BorisDaBulletDodger]

When I arrived at the airport in Santiago, I saw the custom agents stop a Black American which is so fucked up. Unfortunately, racism still exists all over the world. I'm White and my daughter is engaged to a Black man. I fully support the two of them. The skin color of my future son-in-law never crossed my mind.

I would think Derek Jeter:p but wanted to say the yellow man has no problems at the airport:rofl::rofl:

[greydread]

Entering USA through Newark. I travel for work and pleasure between 6 and 12 times a year and this was not normal for me. It also does not help me that I have a thick passport (too many extra pages).

The reason I asked was because the only extra scrutiny I've ever gotten was on the other end. Oddly enough Dominican customs seems to think that every Rastaman is toting a pound of sensi and just as oddly, a Dominican stamp on my passport in the past 60 days puts me on the environmental health watch list for dengue in most other Caribbean countries, especially Jamaica.

[JD426]

Its easy to "stereotype" people ,by their appearances, but im pretty sure its not racist ( entering the USA) those people are hightly trailed, they don't tolerate shit like that. thats just my .02, not speaking from experience cuz I am caucasian.

but the DR, thats a different story.
the DR is the only place where a Morena will tell you flat out he/she dont like African Americans.. that shit always confused me.
I'm not gonna get into a race discussion though, as its against board policy. you guys can do that.. but anyone who knows me knows I have a big weakness for Morenas, so it aint coming from any angle either.

[greydread]

Its easy to "stereotype" people ,by their appearances, but im pretty sure its not racist ( entering the USA) those people are hightly trailed, they don't tolerate shit like that. thats just my .02, not speaking from experience cuz I am caucasian.

but the DR, thats a different story.
the DR is the only place where a Morena will tell you flat out he/she dont like African Americans.. that shit always confused me.
I'm not gonna get into a race discussion though, as its against board policy. you guys can do that.. but anyone who knows me knows I have a big weakness for Morenas, so it aint coming from any angle either.

Racism isn't "I don't like you because you're (short/tall/skinny/fat/bald/longhair/black/white)", That's prejudice and the same Morena that tells White Guys she doesn't like Black Guys tells Black Guys she doesn't like White Guys. Ho's are funny like that.

Nope, racism isn't an individual value. It's an institutional value and I'm sure that the NYPD conducting "Stop & Frisk" are just as professional and highly trained as any law enforcement officers in the country but they are being DIRECTED in the implementation of this policy and that direction is causing a well documented and markedly disproportionate burden on targeted communities. It's as Judge Scheindlin remarked, how can a policy which yields only 12% effectiveness in producing evidence of criminality, the vast majority of which is simple weed possession be defended? There were over half a million stops in 2012, 9 out of 10 targets of those stops were innocent of any criminal activity or possessions and 9 out of 10 of those targets were Black or Latino. That's Racism and it's coming straight from the Mayor's office.

The policy was instituted as a way of reducing illegal weapons yet the metrics prove that the policy is also a miserable failure at its stated purpose. NYPD has found more weapons in the dumpsters around ferry terminals than all the millions of S&F searches carried out since its inception and still the Mayor and Chief of Police defend it in spite of its ineffectiveness so it's only fair to believe that there must be some other, unstated but primary purpose for this practice. Prejudiced Cops aren't the problem, racist policy is.

This is exactly how US Customs and Border Patrol is being directed and that direction is politically dependent. I don't think that the agents at airports are doing anything more than what they're instructed to do and it's really difficult for me to get annoyed at an individual agent, knowing the scrutiny they're under to follow not only the letter of the laws which direct their authority but also the politically motivated direction from their commanders. In 3rd World countries it's more of a shakedown tactic by individual officials and widespread as the chains of command seem to be more prone to missing links there.

[Shogun Warrior]

Ohhhh by the way..........

The party is still rocking hard on the strip non-stop. Tourist police are out in force but they are there for you. Buy them a water or a coke and you will have a friend for life. Mucho chicas and still 10 to 1 at any given night.

D Latin gives the chicas (1) free drink at 10PM to get them there and they stay there and endure the heat. If a bitch starts hollering about buy me___________? Think about that for a minute.

[El-Rey]

I hung out with a very prominent business man the other night. He is in tune with the mayor and pretty much every important figure in the north coast. He assured me this purge to stop prostitution Is just like every other failed project. They want to please the president by acting as though they are doing something. They will never follow through. A few nights they will sweep the streets of girls as is the usual and that is it. They are focused on keeping the prostitutes off the streets when tourists and families are walking around on the streets. They just want to make sosewer look clean. The monger has nothing to worry about.

[hugrad95a]

I hung out with a very prominent business man the other night. He is in tune with the mayor and pretty much every important figure in the north coast. He assured me this purge to stop prostitution Is just like every other failed project. They want to please the president by acting as though they are doing something. They will never follow through. A few nights they will sweep the streets of girls as is the usual and that is it. They are focused on keeping the prostitutes off the streets when tourists and families are walking around on the streets. They just want to make sosewer look clean. The monger has nothing to worry about.

Damn, I wanted to hear some stories about make it rain gringos's getting pulled out DLatin's oh well...

Honestly,is the president of the DR really worried about one little small as beach town compared to the problems of the whole country...

[hugrad95a]

How about working on the drug smuggling problem.. I think this is more pressing or if they are smuggling women into sexual slavery.

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/world/2013/6/1/47819/Dominican-woman-busted-at-NY-airport-for-smuggling-drugs

[hugrad95a]

The Dominican Republic Ministry of Tourism is encouraging travelers to visit one of the first cities to capture the attention of tourists, Puerto Plata. The area's long stretches of unspoiled beaches, spectacular scenery and blends of history and adventure make it the perfect destination for every interest.

This versatile Caribbean playground has developed dramatically since it initially caught the public eye nearly 40 years ago. Packed with affordable and adventurous activities, and with the upcoming completion of the modern Amber Cove Cruise Center on the Bay of Maimon, the city is ready to welcome an influx of visitors.


"Puerto Plata's an enchanting province where culture, history and nature collectively create an atmosphere fit for free-spirits," said Magaly Toribio, Marketing Advisor for the Dominican Republic Ministry of Tourism. "Whether visitors surf along the coastline, experience energizing nightlife, feel the rush of the region's waterfalls or visit the Amber Museum, it will be an unforgettable escape."
Revisit the destination that had it all first and enjoy an incredible array of activities:
Water Sport Wonderland: When it comes to water sports, your selections are limitless. Cool breezes and gentle swells make Puerto Plata a world-renowned area for kitesurfing, wakeboarding and windsurfing. Visitors are drawn to Cabarete, the popular town recognized as the world's kiteboarding capital because of its warm waters and trade winds. Snorkelers gravitate toward Sosua, a small town where the water is decorated with spectacular coral reefs and a wide variety of fish.


Adrenaline Adventures: The 27 Waterfalls of Damajagua is nature's waterpark that features a series of spectacular waterfalls. Courageous visitors are encouraged to slide down natural water chutes or jump in the waters' peaceful pools. Those who prefer activities outside of the water can take a 30-minute scenic drive from Puerto Plata to Yasika Adventure Park and zip-line up to 30 mph at heights of 100 feet.
Golf Greens: Puerto Plata has three expertly-designed golf courses framed by the region's striking scenery. The Playa Dorada Golf Club, designed by world-renowned golf course architect Robert Trent Jones Sr., is in the Playa Dorada Resort Complex and known for its outstanding conditioning and greens. Los Mangos Golf Course is a diverse 18-hole course with nine sea views located in the Costambar residential development. Playa Grande Golf Course in Rio San Juan cuts into the cliffs overlooking the ocean with lush land and royal palms neighboring the course. No matter your skill set, Puerto Plata's courses are fit for both champion and leisure players.


Exciting Culture: Puerto Plata is an area with unbelievable architecture through which visitors gain insight into Dominican Republic's incredible history. Housed in an epitome of Victorian architecture known as Villa Bentz, is Puerto Plata's Amber Museum. It showcases some of the world's best and most rare amber collections dating back millions of years. While amber is one of Dominican Republic's staple products, so is its rum, which is often referred to as the world's best. The Brugal Rum Distillery produces more than one million liters of white and dark rum each year, and offers free guided tours.

[JuanElGriego]

I hung out with a very prominent business man the other night. He is in tune with the mayor and pretty much every important figure in the north coast. He assured me this purge to stop prostitution Is just like every other failed project. They want to please the president by acting as though they are doing something. They will never follow through. A few nights they will sweep the streets of girls as is the usual and that is it. They are focused on keeping the prostitutes off the streets when tourists and families are walking around on the streets. They just want to make sosewer look clean. The monger has nothing to worry about.

So all that stuff about it being "different" this time was just nothing? Again?

[JD426]

So all that stuff about it being "different" this time was just nothing? Again?

Unless that came from the horses mouth (El Presidente himself) , it dont mean a thing...
I would say its Suspiciously quiet in Sosua if anything..

but being wrong in this case, would be a good thing..

[JuanElGriego]

Damn, I wanted to hear some stories about make it rain gringos's getting pulled out DLatin's oh well...

Honestly,is the president of the DR really worried about one little small as beach town compared to the problems of the whole country...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Malo!!!

[Westy]

How about working on the drug smuggling problem.. I think this is more pressing or if they are smuggling women into sexual slavery.

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/world/2013/6/1/47819/Dominican-woman-busted-at-NY-airport-for-smuggling-drugs
Who's got the wherewithal to offer a more significant bribe: the guys moving a ton (1000 kg) of Peruvian nose-candy - or the Santiago Sisters? :rofl:

[hugrad95a]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Malo!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Quien????? yo?????

[eldorob]

Who's got the wherewithal to offer a more significant bribe: the guys moving a ton (1000 kg) of Peruvian nose-candy - or the Santiago Sisters? :rofl:

And they are still at it. I winked at them in d'latins, that's the furthest I'll go with them.

[eldorob]

I hung out with a very prominent business man the other night. He is in tune with the mayor and pretty much every important figure in the north coast. He assured me this purge to stop prostitution Is just like every other failed project. They want to please the president by acting as though they are doing something. They will never follow through. A few nights they will sweep the streets of girls as is the usual and that is it. They are focused on keeping the prostitutes off the streets when tourists and families are walking around on the streets. They just want to make sosewer look clean. The monger has nothing to worry about.


I'm not clear on the above. He is in tune with the Mayor that the whole thing is just another sham? Or he's in tune with the Mayor wanting a true clean up but doesn't think it will work?

Also, business owners that have a puta-based business are going to have a totally different view on the subject then non-puta based business owners.

[MrHappy]

I'm not clear on the above. He is in tune with the Mayor that the whole thing is just another sham? Or he's in tune with the Mayor wanting a true clean up but doesn't think it will work?

Also, business owners that have a puta-based business are going to have a totally different view on the subject then non-puta based business owners.

I think it's safe to say that Iliana is all for the clean up. Willie, maybe not so much, but that woman has plans for her town, and hookers are not in them.

[greydread]

I'm not clear on the above. He is in tune with the Mayor that the whole thing is just another sham? Or he's in tune with the Mayor wanting a true clean up but doesn't think it will work?

Also, business owners that have a puta-based business are going to have a totally different view on the subject then non-puta based business owners.

Politicians in the D.R. are no different from politicians in the USA. They choose sides on issues based on what they think will keep them in their positions of power. They make "decisions" based on poll results. Popularity = Power. Coincidentally, money goes a long way in buying popularity.

[theheights718]

Damn, I wanted to hear some stories about make it rain gringos's getting pulled out DLatin's oh well...

Honestly,is the president of the DR really worried about one little small as beach town compared to the problems of the whole country...

I'm no genius, I cant say I know it all...but I'm a numbers guy and pay close attention to detail by sitting back & observing. Surprised no one brought this up (or maybe I missed it)! But I think 95% of the problem is the publicity these places are getting like DR...especially SOSUA!

For example....A forum like this is one thing...even websites about traveling to DR is another...but I started going to DR in 2010 (yes, still a newbie in monger traveling) and when I was gearing to go, there was maybe 100 videos on youtube that you could search (the classic pool parties from sea breeze sealed the deal for me)....NOWWWWWWW, search "Sosua" on youtube...45,000+ search results!!!! Thats fucking insane in a 3 year period.

Now, I'm all for showing your vacation experience with technology nowadays...but when you are giving tutorials on where to go, how much to pay, what type of girls you can get & "how it goes down out there"...ummm, dont you think someone would have a problem with it at some point. Some dudes just dont think straight. If you had to lie to people about where you were going and what you were doing...why would you post it on the WORLD WILD WEB for everyone to see. It was supposed to be kind of our own lil secret. Magazine articles, news documentaries & US Gov't getting involved....yeah, this is not our lil secret getaway anymore.

You bring up going on vacation to DR in convo and people (especially girls) looking at you with the side eye...like you nasty fucker! And sad to say, but I personally think the fellas fucked it up like alot of other things! I blame some of my people for it too. The big city wanna be baller/rapper type crowd go out, wanna do music videos, pouring champagne on chicks, chicks running around nekkid by the pool, then post it on youtube. Just like with many stripclubs, nightclubs, holiday beach festivals & such in the states...they sure know how to fuck up a good thing. ...:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Ok, I'm done with my rant!!!!!! UGH!!!!!

[El-Rey]

I'm not clear on the above. He is in tune with the Mayor that the whole thing is just another sham? Or he's in tune with the Mayor wanting a true clean up but doesn't think it will work?

Also, business owners that have a puta-based business are going to have a totally different view on the subject then non-puta based business owners.

The way it was explained to me was, this was to make noise as to please certain higher persons in government. There is no real plan. I heard they cleaned up the streets in SD a little as not many girls just walking around the malecon. Sosua will not change as of now.

[ROVER]

The way it was explained to me was, this was to make noise as to please certain higher persons in government. There is no real plan. I heard they cleaned up the streets in SD a little as not many girls just walking around the malecon. Sosua will not change as of now.

Tnx for the update Rey, and if a storm does come .. retreat to the highlands until it passes and I will see you there. :mrgreen:

[MrHappy]

I think it's safe to say that Iliana is all for the clean up. Willie, maybe not so much, but that woman has plans for her town, and hookers are not in them.

And......... from today's news on DR1

"Attorney General Francisco Dominguez Brito recently announced the arrest of anyone caught soliciting the services of prostitutes. He said that especially in Puerto Plata officers would be alert in an effort to reduce the harassment currently experienced by visitors. A new controversy on the issue has come forth after a former mayor of Sosua, Vladimir Cespedes advised the Ministry of Tourism to be tolerant towards prostitution in the North Coast. As reported in Hoy, he said eliminating prostitution would be disastrous for businesses that operate in Sosua. He said that new hotels were needed to attract family tourism to Sosua because the only ones that are operating are Sosua Bay and Casa Marina.

In contrast, the president of the Sosua and Cabarete Hotels and Restaurants Association (Ashoresoca), Tomas Callendar was quick to reject the statements. "The statement by Mr. Cespedes demonstrates the level of ignorance and lack of knowledge of the situation of tourism today. Cespedes does not understand that his statements harm the very destination that we are working to rescue." He said that 80% of the prostitutes in Puerto Plata come from other areas and mentioned that the new mayor of Sosua had attended an international workshop on Best Practices to Prevent the Sexual Exploitation of Children and Teenagers in Tourism and Travel, organized by the Ministry of Tourism, the Hotels & Tourism Association and UNICEF.

Calendar stated that as part of the work being done to eradicate prostitution in the North Coast, mayor Ilana Neumann has the firm support of Ashoresoca because she has shown a clear vision of what a family destination should be."

www.hoy.com.do/provincias/2013/6/4/483591/Funcionariopide-tolerarturismo-sexual (http://dr1.com/mailing/lt.php?c=2711&m=2731&nl=1&lid=31193&l=-http--www.hoy.com.do/provincias/2013/6/4/483591/Funcionariopide-tolerarturismo-sexual)

[ROVER]

And......... from today's news on DR1



Calendar stated that as part of the work being done to eradicate prostitution in the North Coast, mayor Ilana Neumann has the firm support of Ashoresoca because she has shown a clear vision of what a family destination should be."

www.hoy.com.do/provincias/2013/6/4/483591/Funcionariopide-tolerarturismo-sexual (http://dr1.com/mailing/lt.php?c=2711&m=2731&nl=1&lid=31193&l=-http--www.hoy.com.do/provincias/2013/6/4/483591/Funcionariopide-tolerarturismo-sexual)


WOW !!! Does anybody know when this witches term is up ?

Anybody who owns a monger based bar, restaurant or hotel, needs to get together and back who ever runs against her. There is gonna be a world of hurt comin there way if she's not stopped soon.

[ROVER]

From Sosua News


Ministry of tourism opens information office (http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3356&article=1) The Minister of Tourism, on the recommendation of the Director of Tourism Lorenzo Sancasani, commissioned to open an information office in Cabarete. http://www.sosuanews.com/news_pictures/2013/06/06-05_sancasani.jpg (http://www.sosuanews.com/news_pictures/2013/06/06-05_sancasani.jpg) Lorenzo Sancasani
Entrepreneurs and investors can obtain free information there about the regulations and permits for starting a business as a bar, restaurant or hotel. For the required licenses and other official documents you have to pay, of course, the applicable fees. The office will also serve as office entry point for complaints about agencies that want to charge various non-official services. Entrepreneurs who are approached by people who ask for fees for (unclear) services can inquire at the information office if the claim is legal. With the establishment of the Information Office Lorenzo Sancasani wants to make it easier and more reliable for (potential) investors to start a business in Sosúa or Cabarete.
Source: Noticias ENN

This MINISTRY OF TOURISM certainly seems to consider Sosua, Cabarete, and Puerto Plata to be ground zero for their new vision ....Not Good...:2up:

[TNT72]

WOW !!! Does anybody know when this witches term is up ?

Anybody who owns a monger based bar, restaurant or hotel, needs to get together and back who ever runs against her. There is gonna be a world of hurt comin there way if she's not stopped soon.

She's made such a name for herself, if she gets voted out, she'll probably get appointed to one of these new positions that give her more power.

[deezl]

From Sosua News


Ministry of tourism opens information office (http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=3356&article=1)

The Minister of Tourism, on the recommendation of the Director of Tourism Lorenzo Sancasani, commissioned to open an information office in Cabarete.

Click to see pic (http://www.sosuanews.com/news_pictures/2013/06/06-05_sancasani.jpg) Lorenzo Sancasani


Entrepreneurs and investors can obtain free information there about the regulations and permits for starting a business as a bar, restaurant or hotel. For the required licenses and other official documents you have to pay, of course, the applicable fees. The office will also serve as office entry point for complaints about agencies that want to charge various non-official services. Entrepreneurs who are approached by people who ask for fees for (unclear) services can inquire at the information office if the claim is legal. With the establishment of the Information Office Lorenzo Sancasani wants to make it easier and more reliable for (potential) investors to start a business in Sosúa or Cabarete.
Source: Noticias ENN



This MINISTRY OF TOURISM certainly seems to consider Sosua, Cabarete, and Puerto Plata to be ground zero for their new vision ....Not Good...:2up:

http://www.sosuanews.com/news_pictures/2013/06/06-05_sancasani.jpg

Is Sancasani Italian for "scary monster teeth"?

'Cuz that dude looks like he has a secret lair in the sewers where he experiments on cross-breeding people with snakes...

[eldorob]

WOW !!! Does anybody know when this witches term is up ?

Anybody who owns a monger based bar, restaurant or hotel, needs to get together and back who ever runs against her. There is gonna be a world of hurt comin there way if she's not stopped soon.

It's not just the Mayor. I don't think it can be stopped now. It's over. It just took a couple years to get everybody on board.

True, nothing has happened the last couple weeks but I think they're just gearing up for the first big push.

[MrHappy]

It's not just the Mayor. I don't think it can be stopped now. It's over. It just took a couple years to get everybody on board.

True, nothing has happened the last couple weeks but I think they're just gearing up for the first big push.

I think you're right.

[TNT72]

It's not just the Mayor. I don't think it can be stopped now. It's over. It just took a couple years to get everybody on board.

True, nothing has happened the last couple weeks but I think they're just gearing up for the first big push.


My next trip, I'll be just another tourist with his kids on a "family vacation". Exactly what they are looking for!!!:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[eastcoastallstar]

It's not just the Mayor. I don't think it can be stopped now. It's over. It just took a couple years to get everybody on board.

True, nothing has happened the last couple weeks but I think they're just gearing up for the first big push.

They are only hitting the reset button, because there will still be poor people with no other options. Fuck these people.

[JD426]

I think you're right.

Looks like Eldorob, you and I are the only ones who believe something big is coming.
everyone else seems to think this is just same ole, same ole talk.
but it is suspiciously quiet, very very suspicious.

[Mr. Smooth]

Guys, leave it to a woman to fuck up a man's fun. So she knows what a family tourist destination looks like? She also will know what a ghost town looks like too.

All this is supposedly to halt the exploitation of young women? Give me a fuckin' break. Who is exploiting who? Is anyone putting a gun to anyone's head, man or woman, to force them to partake in this trade? I say it is us, if anything, who get exploited. For being told that a lousy 10 minute taxi ride is $25 ($30 in BC), for having to pay $10 for a tourist card that you get handed to you only to hand it back 30 seconds later. For having to pay shyster lawyers, crooked cops or rogue military officers bribes to keep out of jail or to keep in business.

I say it is the monger who put that town on the map. It is us who have kept the money train on the tracks. We are the ones who have been steadfast in our support of the bars, restaurants, hotels, moto conchos, beach touts, taxis, exchanges, not to mention the support of multitudes of laundry facilities, massage joints, hair salons, chicken stands, various souvenir shops, real estate businesses and condo rentals.

It is the monger who has been the one constant in that town, the one type of tourist undaunted by the rough seas of an ever changing and unpredictable economic climate who has continued to visit and support the town and it's inhabitants. Through melt downs and good times, it is the dollars and Euros, the pounds and rubles and shillings that we have all gladly emptied our pockets and wallets of, over and over again. It is we who have supplied the mother's milk and foundation of so many hopes and dreams and happiness for so many. A huge portion can be directly traced back to the largesse of the monger.

It is guys like us who are the heroes of Sosua, not the uppity expat couple from Moosejaw or Manchester or Manhattan who live in some gated enclave of expensive villas, only mixing with their uppity expat neighbors, going to their same expat bars (where few Dominicans actually are present save for a waitress or two) with their uppity neighbors and can't even be bothered to learn even basic spanish beyond, "Como estas?", the ones who spend untold numbers of hours on DR1 extolling the virtues of living in the DR without even speaking to anybody of Dominican ethniticity for days at a time beyond a maid or gardener.

After all the so-called busy bodies have had their say, the ones who think they know better than the rest of us, suddenly we are not good enough and are no longer wanted or desired. If all this does take place as those in power seem to want, all I can say is they better be careful for what they wish for. That stream of monger money will have dried to a trickle and those who would take our place will never replace what we gave that town and those Dominican families.

[captain69]

2 weeka ago I attended an open meeting at Casa Marina hosted by Lorenzo. He assured us that within 3 days, all massage joints would be inspected and those without license from the ministry of health
would be closed. This simple measure has still not occured. Will they really be able to do much? And why is an Italian the new vice minister? I thought you had to be Dominican to participate in Govn't. Did they throw Sancasani to the wolves?

[MrHappy]

2 weeka ago I attended an open meeting at Casa Marina hosted by Lorenzo. He assured us that within 3 days, all massage joints would be inspected and those without license from the ministry of health
would be closed. This simple measure has still not occured. Will they really be able to do much? And why is an Italian the new vice minister? I thought you had to be Dominican to participate in Govn't. Did they throw Sancasani to the wolves?



The ex mayor of Sosua expressed his opinion about prostitution in Sosua. He felt getting rid of prostitutes would be a disaster for the town....

From yesterdays news:

Puerto Plata.- The president of the Sosua and Cabarete Hotels and Restaurants Association (ASHORESOCA) on Wednesday rebuked former Sosúa mayor Vladimir Céspedes’ assertion that getting rid of prostitutes in the tourist region would spell disaster for the area’s businesses.

Tomas Callendar said Céspedes’ statements "show the degree of ignorance and total lack of knowledge of tourism’s situation nowadays. Mr. Cespedes doesn’t realize his statements hurt an entire national destination currently looking for a rebirth."He challenged the notion that most of the women and adolescents who engage in prostitution are native to the two towns and, affirming that more than 80% of the sexual workers come from other areas.

"The towns of Sosua and Cabarete are formed by men and women of integrity, seeking the progress of a people through study and work, on which politicians have failed with their actions."

On Monday Céspedes, head of the ruling PLD party in Sosua, suggested tolerance with prostitutes to the Tourism Ministry, "because tto eliminate it would be disastrous for businesses in Sosua and Cabarete."“the tourists who come to this area are unfortunately looking for prostitutes, that has to be said, regardless of whom it hurts,” the former mayor said, adding that “prostitution is what sustains economic activity in our communities."

[greydread]

Guys, leave it to a woman to fuck up a man's fun. So she knows what a family tourist destination looks like? She also will know what a ghost town looks like too.

All this is supposedly to halt the exploitation of young women? Give me a fuckin' break. Who is exploiting who? Is anyone putting a gun to anyone's head, man or woman, to force them to partake in this trade? I say it is us, if anything, who get exploited. For being told that a lousy 10 minute taxi ride is $25 ($30 in BC), for having to pay $10 for a tourist card that you get handed to you only to hand it back 30 seconds later. For having to pay shyster lawyers, crooked cops or rogue military officers bribes to keep out of jail or to keep in business.

I say it is the monger who put that town on the map. It is us who have kept the money train on the tracks. We are the ones who have been steadfast in our support of the bars, restaurants, hotels, moto conchos, beach touts, taxis, exchanges, not to mention the support of multitudes of laundry facilities, massage joints, hair salons, chicken stands, various souvenir shops, real estate businesses and condo rentals.

It is the monger who has been the one constant in that town, the one type of tourist undaunted by the rough seas of an ever changing and unpredictable economic climate who has continued to visit and support the town and it's inhabitants. Through melt downs and good times, it is the dollars and Euros, the pounds and rubles and shillings that we have all gladly emptied our pockets and wallets of, over and over again. It is we who have supplied the mother's milk and foundation of so many hopes and dreams and happiness for so many. A huge portion can be directly traced back to the largesse of the monger.

It is guys like us who are the heroes of Sosua, not the uppity expat couple from Moosejaw or Manchester or Manhattan who live in some gated enclave of expensive villas, only mixing with their uppity expat neighbors, going to their same expat bars (where few Dominicans actually are present save for a waitress or two) with their uppity neighbors and can't even be bothered to learn even basic spanish beyond, "Como estas?", the ones who spend untold numbers of hours on DR1 extolling the virtues of living in the DR without even speaking to anybody of Dominican ethniticity for days at a time beyond a maid or gardener.

After all the so-called busy bodies have had their say, the ones who think they know better than the rest of us, suddenly we are not good enough and are no longer wanted or desired. If all this does take place as those in power seem to want, all I can say is they better be careful for what they wish for. That stream of monger money will have dried to a trickle and those who would take our place will never replace what we gave that town and those Dominican families.

They've got the cart in front of the horse in Sosua and the North Coast in general. They would like to paint a picture of a thriving tourist destination which has been decimated by prostitution, drugs and crime when in fact they are talking about a vacation destination which never lived up to the vision and has been largely overlooked by developers in favor of East Coast and Northeast Coast locations which provide less existing infrastructure, population and business to have to work around. These developers went into sparsely populated beach areas and created their own infrastructure, thereby assuring complete control of their business environment.

Think about it. Disneyland wasn't built in Miami. It was built in a SWAMP. They drained the swamp, created the lakes, formed the land and built what THEY wanted, where THEY wanted it and whatever local population developed after this basically came about AFTER this development ISO jobs supporting this development. Other developments followed until now Orlando/ Kissimee is known for its amusements and resorts.

This model has been successfully adapted to the Caribbean where the weather is the attraction, no amusement parks needed. Where do you best position an all inclusive resort where the intent is to maintain total control of your captive audience, making sure that any money that they spend while in country go into your hands? You put it where you can most easily buy off and relocate the few people in your way, that's where.


Sosua and the North Coast in general has three obstacles which will prevent it from EVER achieving the goal of reaching a profitable "Family Vacation" status.

1. There is already a substantial population in place along with businesses which will demand access to vacationers and make it difficult to obtain necessary right-of-way, etc. without offering up lucrative concessions.

2. Most of the existing populace in the region is dirt shit poor and they will demand economic benefit from the resorts. These are the very people that the resorts are seeking to isolate their clients from. It messes up the "Tropical Paradise" theme.

3. The local governments will demand too much control of the developments and constantly interfere with the intended operational scheme adopted by the resort parent companies. It's just so much easier to set up in a largely undeveloped area, populate it with your own people and form the kind of local government that you want. Form as in buy.

The Mayor of Sosua is leading a charge which will end up in the Ocean, drowning all who participate like a skein of goslings or whatever you call a multitude of lemmings. Their only hope is to come up with a different model for development. Something that major investors would actually buy into like the "Sin City", up all night, Vegas Adult World by the Sea model that Atlantic City could have been but a year round version, complete with real gambling, legal prostitution and entertainment venues like music showplaces, comedy/ variety shows and Cirque de Soleil.

[hugrad95a]

Click to see pic (http://www.sosuanews.com/news_pictures/2013/06/06-05_sancasani.jpg)

Is Sancasani Italian for "scary monster teeth"?

'Cuz that dude looks like he has a secret lair in the sewers where he experiments on cross-breeding people with snakes...


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

http://i2.wp.com/listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/dracula_has_risen_from_the_grave_01.jpg?resize=600%2C450

[hugrad95a]

https://www.facebook.com/ilanasindicodesosua

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/944299_578698502163165_1789091966_n.jpg

[BorisDaBulletDodger]

https://www.facebook.com/ilanasindicodesosua

Click to see pic (https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/944299_578698502163165_1789091966_n.jpg)

Don't know if I should risk probation again with a friend request once she sees my 141 hooker friends:rofl::rofl:

[deezl]

Puerto Plata's gone the way of Acapulco, if they were really honest with themselves they'd admit that what it is now is a budget tourist (and monger) destination and that's all it's ever gonna be.

But I guess there's money to be made and power to be gained in convincing people that that's not the case.

[sopranostingray]

Fuck guys....stop complaining and sounding like a bunch of little bitches. The majority of you have no vested interest in Sosua so why the fuck do you care so much? something may happen and something may not. Different shit happens here everyday....the past few weeks Tourismo has been inspecting all bars and restaurants and giving out 21 day notices to clean up or shut down. But I see no talk about that on this board, but it is much more the talk on the street than the busting of the whores. You are all speculating and making things seem much more negative. Read the old posts from years ago...same shit as now.

And by the way....there are more new girls on the streets this week than I have ever seen.

[Apos]

"university" is finished for the summer (except summer courses I guess) and many chicas are looking to get enough cash together to pay for another semester or 2 to keep their cover story intact. :rolleyes:

Facebook has been busier than normal with many sob stories and chicas looking for an extra payday. :lol:

Prime time for some low season rates. Now that's good eatin'! :p




And by the way....there are more new girls on the streets this week than I have ever seen.

[deezl]

Fuck guys....stop complaining and sounding like a bunch of little bitches. The majority of you have no vested interest in Sosua so why the fuck do you care so much? something may happen and something may not. Different shit happens here everyday....the past few weeks Tourismo has been inspecting all bars and restaurants and giving out 21 day notices to clean up or shut down. But I see no talk about that on this board, but it is much more the talk on the street than the busting of the whores. You are all speculating and making things seem much more negative. Read the old posts from years ago...same shit as now.

And by the way....there are more new girls on the streets this week than I have ever seen.

thanks for the ray of sunshine, we were kinda turning into a bunch of gloomy sidney's... :rofl::rofl::rofl:

the chicas will find their way there or elsewhere and those of us with some spanish and a clue will always be able to find the chicas, my only real interest in what does or doesn't happen in sosua is how it impacts the people i've come to think of as friends who own and run businesses there.

[Irie]

thanks for the ray of sunshine, we were kinda turning into a bunch of gloomy sidney's... :rofl::rofl::rofl:

the chicas will find their way there or elsewhere and those of us with some spanish and a clue will always be able to find the chicas, my only real interest in what does or doesn't happen in sosua is how it impacts the people i've come to think of as friends who own and run businesses there.

THIS! Consign! Agreed!

Life goes on for many of us no matter what goes on there. Our friends may be faced with new challenges (MAY!), but they're the ones I'm willing to continue to support...........

.......even if it ever morphs into the travesty many are predicting. I'll back either way.

[surreal83]

Guys, leave it to a woman to fuck up a man's fun. So she knows what a family tourist destination looks like? She also will know what a ghost town looks like too.

All this is supposedly to halt the exploitation of young women? Give me a fuckin' break. Who is exploiting who? Is anyone putting a gun to anyone's head, man or woman, to force them to partake in this trade? I say it is us, if anything, who get exploited. For being told that a lousy 10 minute taxi ride is $25 ($30 in BC), for having to pay $10 for a tourist card that you get handed to you only to hand it back 30 seconds later. For having to pay shyster lawyers, crooked cops or rogue military officers bribes to keep out of jail or to keep in business.

I say it is the monger who put that town on the map. It is us who have kept the money train on the tracks. We are the ones who have been steadfast in our support of the bars, restaurants, hotels, moto conchos, beach touts, taxis, exchanges, not to mention the support of multitudes of laundry facilities, massage joints, hair salons, chicken stands, various souvenir shops, real estate businesses and condo rentals.

It is the monger who has been the one constant in that town, the one type of tourist undaunted by the rough seas of an ever changing and unpredictable economic climate who has continued to visit and support the town and it's inhabitants. Through melt downs and good times, it is the dollars and Euros, the pounds and rubles and shillings that we have all gladly emptied our pockets and wallets of, over and over again. It is we who have supplied the mother's milk and foundation of so many hopes and dreams and happiness for so many. A huge portion can be directly traced back to the largesse of the monger.

It is guys like us who are the heroes of Sosua, not the uppity expat couple from Moosejaw or Manchester or Manhattan who live in some gated enclave of expensive villas, only mixing with their uppity expat neighbors, going to their same expat bars (where few Dominicans actually are present save for a waitress or two) with their uppity neighbors and can't even be bothered to learn even basic spanish beyond, "Como estas?", the ones who spend untold numbers of hours on DR1 extolling the virtues of living in the DR without even speaking to anybody of Dominican ethniticity for days at a time beyond a maid or gardener.

After all the so-called busy bodies have had their say, the ones who think they know better than the rest of us, suddenly we are not good enough and are no longer wanted or desired. If all this does take place as those in power seem to want, all I can say is they better be careful for what they wish for. That stream of monger money will have dried to a trickle and those who would take our place will never replace what we gave that town and those Dominican families.
I haven't read through the rest of the thread yet but this is the best monger rally speech I've ever read. If you gave this speech in a room I'd be the guy starting the slow clap at the end. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Mr. Smooth]

I haven't read through the rest of the thread yet but this is the best monger rally speech I've ever read. If you gave this speech in a room I'd be the guy starting the slow clap at the end. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Thanks surreal, you're too kind. :corky: Sometimes shit just pops up in my head at 2 am!

Rather than me give that speech though, let a professional handle it. Michael Douglas for instance. Like that "Greed is good" speech he gave from "Wall Street", that won him an Oscar. Besides, considering his recent comments making the news, he might have a soft spot for guys like us.

"Mongering is good." Hmmm......let me work on that screenplay and I'll get back with you!

[Hunter]

Puerto Plata's gone the way of Acapulco, if they were really honest with themselves they'd admit that what it is now is a budget tourist (and monger) destination and that's all it's ever gonna be.

But I guess there's money to be made and power to be gained in convincing people that that's not the case.

The major tourist dollars go to Punta Cana from what I read. If you are a major hotel operator where are you going to put your money - Punta Cana....

I agree I cant see how they can turn sosua-north coast into a punta cana...no way

[greydread]

The major tourist dollars go to Punta Cana from what I read. If you are a major hotel operator where are you going to put your money - Punta Cana....

I agree I cant see how they can turn sosua-north coast into a punta cana...no way

As you're driving along the road where all the AI's are located along Bavaro beaches a frightening thought comes to mind. You cannot see the Sea, only the walls of the resorts and everywhere that one wall ends another begins. It all looks like one big wall. I have no idea how far one has to travel to reach a playa public or if there even is one.

The little town of Punta Cana (made up and named after the resort built in 1971) is a joke. It was constructed as a place for the resort's employees to live. Before 1969 that whole area was a jungle. It was isolated, had a beautiful stretch of beach and most importantly it was by and large uninhabited and less than 2 hours from Miami International Airport, not to mention (as Cristobal Colon found out) convenient to Europe. This is the perfect place to build resorts where tourists, once there are captive and although their basic accommodations are included in their package fee there is something to buy at a 500% markup at every turn.....and they charge in US Dollars.


http://www.puntacana.com/our-roots/history

North Americans have no desire for the most part to interface with any Dominican who is not pouring their drinks, serving their food or otherwise acting as a servant in some capacity and that is the attraction of Punta Cana. Every Dominican they see there is kissing their bloated, fat asses. In order to set the stage for this type of business model on the North Coast, it would have to first be deconstructed and depopulated. I just don't see that happening.

[The Sage]

There's a subset of American tourists that would rather not see Domunicans in any position other than animation. I've been told that American/Canadian sourced staff are brought in and decently compensated to address this xenophobia that some of our countryman display.



As you're driving along the road where all the AI's are located along Bavaro beaches a frightening thought comes to mind. You cannot see the Sea, only the walls of the resorts and everywhere that one wall ends another begins. It all looks like one big wall. I have no idea how far one has to travel to reach a playa public or if there even is one.

The little town of Punta Cana (made up and named after the resort built in 1971) is a joke. It was constructed as a place for the resort's employees to live. Before 1969 that whole area was a jungle. It was isolated, had a beautiful stretch of beach and most importantly it was by and large uninhabited and less than 2 hours from Miami International Airport, not to mention (as Cristobal Colon found out) convenient to Europe. This is the perfect place to build resorts where tourists, once there are captive and although their basic accommodations are included in their package fee there is something to buy at a 500% markup at every turn.....and they charge in US Dollars.


http://www.puntacana.com/our-roots/history

North Americans have no desire for the most part to interface with any Dominican who is not pouring their drinks, serving their food or otherwise acting as a servant in some capacity and that is the attraction of Punta Cana. Every Dominican they see there is kissing their bloated, fat asses. In order to set the stage for this type of business model on the North Coast, it would have to first be deconstructed and depopulated. I just don't see that happening.

[greydread]

There's a subset of American tourists that would rather not see Domunicans in any position other than animation. I've been told that American/Canadian sourced staff are brought in and decently compensated to address this xenophobia that some of our countryman display.
I spent a weekend in Punta Cana and couldn't wait to get back to the Capitol and interface with real people who think enough of you to sit down and have a beer with you (your place or theirs) and share their hopes and dreams and ask you about yours and share pictures of their kids and yours and look you in the eye when they shake your hand and will be honestly happy to see you next time no matter how long that takes. That's what they're trying to take away from the North Coast and there's no way they'll succeed.

[Passport Playa]

Based upon all this speculation, perhaps it is wise to go and marry a hoe and then bring her back here! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

PP

[greydread]

Based upon all this speculation, perhaps it is wise to go and marry one a hoe and then bring her back here! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

PP

What is truly amazing is that 1,000's of guys come to the D.R. from all over the World and do just exactly that and miraculously, the place never runs out of Ho's. There's a new bumper crop out every year and the wedding Bozo's keep coming. Supply, meet demand.

[JuanElGriego]

There's a subset of American tourists that would rather not see Dominicans in any position other than animation. I've been told that American/Canadian sourced staff are brought in and decently compensated to address this xenophobia that some of our countryman display.

I don't know that its an "American" or "Dominican" thing but rather an AI thing.

People that go to AI's are just about all the same regardless of what country they're from or what country they're in. They almost never leave the hotel grounds. They go to the pool, a private beach ... maybe on a bus tour to visit some historic places in the country where they'll once again be surrounded by only other tourists and a local guide.

They're also often warned by the agents they booked through to not "wander" around (especially if its a 3rd world country). It's in their interests and the AI's interests to make them spend every last penny in the hotel and some fear mongering helps accomplish that.

[The Sage]

I was talking to one of my Sosua worker friends who I had spent many a sweaty session with over the last year or so. I ask her where she is right now Sosua or STI. She tells me she's in the US. My response was pretty much, stop fucking with me. Come to find out that all the time she was working the strip she had a novio in NYC that was working on getting her out of the country. The day finally arrived and now she's in NYC. Caught me completely off guard. Couple of trips back I found me an even better version of this particular chick. Yes, the supply seems inexhaustible.


What is truly amazing is that 1,000's of guys come to the D.R. from all over the World and do just exactly that and miraculously, the place never runs out of Ho's. There's a new bumper crop out every year and the wedding Bozo's keep coming. Supply, meet demand.

[Jimmydr]

I was talking to one of my Sosua worker friends who I had spent many a sweaty session with over the last year or so. I ask her where she is right now Sosua or STI. She tells me she's in the US. My response was pretty much, stop fucking with me. Come to find out that all the time she was working the strip she had a novio in NYC that was working on getting her out of the country. The day finally arrived and now she's in NYC. Caught me completely off guard.

Wow, that guy is one lucky simp.

[Hunter]

Wow, that guy is one lucky simp.

Get her number from Sage and meet up in Queens :lol:

[The Sage]

Guys do what they do. She doesn't much like him, but she's a level headed, smart, and determined woman who as long as he treats her good will probably not flee. He might actually have won.


Wow, that guy is one lucky simp.

[Jimmydr]

Get her number from Sage and meet up in Queens :lol:

Sorry, but I don't want anything like that. I like drama free hoes.

[Jimmydr]

Guys do what they do. She doesn't much like him, but she's a level headed, smart, and determined woman who as long as he treats her good will probably not flee. He might actually have won.

But she talks to you and if you lived in NYC she would meet with you. How did he win?

[The Sage]

But, I don't live in NYC.


But she talks to you and if you lived in NYC she would meet with you. How did he win?

[Jimmydr]

But, I don't live in NYC.

As far as she knows, you are not far away. Nothing like going down on your wife and getting cream de sage.

[JD426]

As you're driving along the road where all the AI's are located along Bavaro beaches a frightening thought comes to mind. You cannot see the Sea, only the walls of the resorts and everywhere that one wall ends another begins. It all looks like one big wall. I have no idea how far one has to travel to reach a playa public or if there even is one.

The little town of Punta Cana (made up and named after the resort built in 1971) is a joke. It was constructed as a place for the resort's employees to live. Before 1969 that whole area was a jungle. It was isolated, had a beautiful stretch of beach and most importantly it was by and large uninhabited and less than 2 hours from Miami International Airport, not to mention (as Cristobal Colon found out) convenient to Europe. This is the perfect place to build resorts where tourists, once there are captive and although their basic accommodations are included in their package fee there is something to buy at a 500% markup at every turn.....and they charge in US Dollars.


http://www.puntacana.com/our-roots/history

North Americans have no desire for the most part to interface with any Dominican who is not pouring their drinks, serving their food or otherwise acting as a servant in some capacity and that is the attraction of Punta Cana. Every Dominican they see there is kissing their bloated, fat asses. In order to set the stage for this type of business model on the North Coast, it would have to first be deconstructed and depopulated. I just don't see that happening.

Excellent post, thank you for the insight,.. I especially agree with the Highlighted area..
Its funny but I like to think us Mongers are a lot more adventurous than the average traveler, as we like to explore and mingle with the real people of the land.. Nothing more ridiculous than the AI people who never even leave the compound, unless they perhaps work up the nerve to take one of them Guided Tours with a group. To me that is a more frightening than the Walls of the AI's which block the beach views.. just so SAD.

[greydread]

Sorry, but I don't want anything like that. I like drama free hoes.

Yeah?

:lol:


Good luck finding one of those. I don't care how saintly one may be and how sweet and wonderful, attentive and caring they may be. If you let them stick around for long enough....you will get to see drama.


It's okay though...it just means they LOVE you....or so I've been told.

[Mr. Smooth]

Excellent post, thank you for the insight,.. I especially agree with the Highlighted area..
Its funny but I like to think us Mongers are a lot more adventurous than the average traveler, as we like to explore and mingle with the real people of the land.. Nothing more ridiculous than the AI people who never even leave the compound, unless they perhaps work up the nerve to take one of them Guided Tours with a group. To me that is a more frightening than the Walls of the AI's which block the beach views.. just so SAD.

My last trip coming home from the DR, while in line at the AA ticket counter at POP, I got in a conversation with a couple who had been staying at an AI their whole week. As we talked while the line moved up they asked what resort I had stayed at. I told them I had stayed at a small condo complex in Sosua. The wife asked me if I felt safe doing that, as they had been told that Sosua was dangerous, the food was unsafe, etc. When I asked them if they had gotten out of the AI to see a bit of the place, except for a couple of guided tours from resort personnel, they stayed on site the whole time.

So the only locals they interacted with were the Dominicans who "kissed their gringo asses". They beleived the claptrap that the resort operators tell them about not wandering outside the "compound" because it's too dangerous. To be honest, those types of people should probably remain where their at. Their time, their money, their vacation. No matter how skewerd their view of the DR might be in their mind when they go back home and tell their friends.

I've said for years Judge, and others have echoed that in this thread and other threads throughout the years, we are a more adventurous lot than the average person. Were not afraid to be among those who are different from us, real folks, as greydread pointed out, who embrace us as we them. It's all part of the total experience of a trip.

More than most, we as a group, seem to not bother with self imposed limitations that other people let define what they do and where they go.

[Jimmydr]

Yeah?

:lol:


Good luck finding one of those. I don't care how saintly one may be and how sweet and wonderful, attentive and caring they may be. If you let them stick around for long enough....you will get to see drama.


It's okay though...it just means they LOVE you....or so I've been told.

There are plenty out there with little or no drama.

[Darkgirllover]

http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/verNoticia.aspx?Id=12943

Looks like it started. Anyone on the ground?

[eldorob]

http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/verNoticia.aspx?Id=12943

Looks like it started. Anyone on the ground?


Oh my gosh. And it's not even dark yet. IT'S THE BIG ONE ELIZABETH!

[cookemup71]

These girls are like ATM machines for the politur. This will amount to nothing but some fluff for the papers.Until they start paying the law enforcement a salary that one could live on they will continue to let them work, They like nice stuff too. They have an understanding with most of the girls who "kick it back"..The ones that get picked up and thrown in jail are usually the ones who don't "play ball'

[Hanzo]

So, they're steering away from Santo Domingo, and Santiago, and putting all their eggs in the Sosua basket? Or is their plan to start off in Sosua, and gradually make their way throughout the country? Regardless there seems to be no piratical manner to employ this, but again we're talking about DR, practicality is pretty non-existent there anyways.

[Sidney]

http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/verNoticia.aspx?Id=12943

Looks like it started. Anyone on the ground?
I have seen nothing in Sosua. But there are many more National Police than normal. Some even carrying shotguns and rifles!:icontd::icontd::icontd::icontd::icontd:

[captain69]

Some girls get arrested every week here, usually the ones that do not pay off the police.

[MrHappy]

I have seen nothing in Sosua. But there are many more National Police than normal. Some even carrying shotguns and rifles!:icontd::icontd::icontd::icontd::icontd:

Sid, read the local papers??


The military has been brought in to assist the local police through out the country to take a big bite out of crime.

When I first came here back in the early seventies, there were police and military on every single corner of Santo Domingo. Many of them had Thompson machine guns.

There was hardly any crime back then.

Are you getting the picture?

Nothing to do with hookers. That's a separate operation.

[Kevy]

Sid, read the local papers??


The military has been brought in to assist the local police through out the country to take a big bite out of crime.

When I first came here back in the early seventies, there were police and military on every single corner of Santo Domingo. Many of them had Thompson machine guns.

There was hardly any crime back then.

Are you getting the picture?

Nothing to do with hookers. That's a separate operation.


Same thing when they brought in the bar closing hours years ago. The army was patrolling the streets every night with machine guns to make sure the bars were closed and surprise crime went way down:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[greydread]

Same thing when they brought in the bar closing hours years ago. The army was patrolling the streets every night with machine guns to make sure the bars were closed and surprise crime went way down:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Yeah that was in 2006. I remember it well. The murder rate didn't decline but at least we were all forced to get in a little sack time in between shooting hours.

The last place you want to send a bunch of tourists with fresh quarts of duty free liquor is to their rooms. We saved a pile of money partying with random Chicas in the "Kool-Aid" rooms. I was then convinced that NOBODY can chase away money as effectively as Dominicans.

[Mr. Smooth]

I have seen nothing in Sosua. But there are many more National Police than normal. Some even carrying shotguns and rifles!:icontd::icontd::icontd::icontd::icontd:

Maybe they are all posted out on the streets to assist the local heat in keeping a wary eye out for that dastardly Robert when he rides his moto without a helmet! They must be doing their job since he got nabbed before his bus ride to Santiago for his trip back to NY. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Shogun Warrior]

It is still the "fish in the barrel" groove. Prices were 1200 and 1500 PESO for a romp. I never lost a chica due to turning down 1500. Those that quoted me 1500, I got them down to 1200. Rhumba is the spot beginning at 5PM. This is also the designated spot for all televised sporting events on any given day or time of night. However, as soon as the event is over, the crowd moves to D' LATIN for drinks and music. A beautiful big titty chica in particular quoted me 3K on Sat, 2K on Sunday then finally, 1.5K on Monday. Damn that pussy was good too!!!!!! Had a gorgeous smile. The make it rain crew were on site doing there thing as my/our drinks went flying as the crowd surged to get those 1 dollar bills that the proclaimed "big ballers" were throwing. Had a WW challenge me to a drinking contest,................He Lost! I might have danced on the bar a bit but that was a victory dance!!! "I don't give a fuck about no hater's as long as my bitches love me!!!"

[TNT72]

It is still the "fish in the barrel" groove. Prices were 1200 and 1500 PESO for a romp. I never lost a chica due to turning down 1500. Those that quoted me 1500, I got them down to 1200. Rhumba is the spot beginning at 5PM. This is also the designated spot for all televised sporting events on any given day or time of night. However, as soon as the event is over, the crowd moves to D' LATIN for drinks and music. A beautiful big titty chica in particular quoted me 3K on Sat, 2K on Sunday then finally, 1.5K on Monday. Damn that pussy was good too!!!!!! Had a gorgeous smile. The make it rain crew were on site doing there thing as my/our drinks went flying as the crowd surged to get those 1 dollar bills that the proclaimed "big ballers" were throwing. Had a WW challenge me to a drinking contest,................He Lost! I might have danced on the bar a bit but that was a victory dance!!! "I don't give a fuck about no hater's as long as my bitches love me!!!"


"Black guys don't drink Jack!!"


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I crack up every time I think of that day!

[Shogun Warrior]

Actually, it was a bottle of FINLANDIA Vodka. Drunk his ass up under the table. That mutherfucker had the audacity to challenge me!!!!!!!. I told him that he should not try it but he did it anyway. We killed that bottle then he was shocked as shit when I left and came back with a bottle of scotch. Afterwards he was bumping in to people staggering in D Latin knocking over drinks. He ran/staggered out with 2 security guards and waiters after him talking all loud and big shit about how he was not going to pay for the drinks. IT WAS ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE!!! He staggered right into the cops on the corner that were about to whoop his ass. Mutherfucker was 6Ft 2 and at least 260LBS. Luckily, I knew everybody and I paid his $600 PESO bill and walked him home. I explained to him how $15 dollars was not shit and how close he came to really fucking up in the DR.

[Mr. Smooth]

I sure hope that WW you helped out is able to remember once his hangover is cured to thank your ass for bailing him out. And to make it right by paying you back. Very classy on your part SW. Doing that for a guy who's not even a wing.

He might have no idea how much shit he was about to experience had you not stepped forward.

Big props to you, sir! :iconTU:

[eldorob]

. IT WAS ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE!!! He staggered right into the cops on the corner that were about to whoop his ass. .

So let him stick to his principles and get his ass kicked. Why intervene and violate his principles, even if he was being a drunken asshole? It could have easily gone the other way and you both gotten thrown in jail.

[Shogun Warrior]

Because I drunk his ass under the table, and he obviously could not handle it...................................and I felt bad for his ass. Again, I took care of it and took care of him and if I ever get in a situation and need help the Karma Gods will give it back to me.

[Tonto4]

Because I drunk his ass under the table, and he obviously could not handle it...................................and I felt bad for his ass. Again, I took care of it and took care of him and if I ever get in a situation and need help the Karma Gods will give it back to me.

Ernest Hemingway could not have said it better. Nice job Shogun!

[eldorob]

I was on the beach once, sitting at at table. A gringo starts getting loud a couple restuarants down from us, yelling at a dominicano.
A second dominicano jumps in, now all three are yelling, crowd gathering. The asshole drunk gringo picks up some kind of wooden rod making threats. Everybody still yelling. One of the dominicanos goes into an alley and comes out with a sword, not a machette, a sword. More yelling. Then another gringo jumps in and drags the drunk gringo away, still yelling at the dominicans.

Granted, I had no hand in him getting drunk, but No f'kn way. I would have sat there and watched the drunk asshole gringo get his head chopped off. And ordered another presidente.

[Shogun Warrior]

Anyway, guys I will put this out in the strongest means that I can. Not a goddamn thing has changed on the Pedro strip in Sosua. Even the bar on the corner of the old jewelry store is giving it another go. DLatin is the new Classico's. Even though Classico's was air conditioned, it did not get jumping until Thursday night. D Latin has a large crowd every night of the week and the staff of Classico's is the same staff of D Latin. Some of the female bartenders can be bitchy about the Grande Presidente's (Fuck Giving them a Tip!!!!) The crowd is present because...................D' LATIN IS FREE!!! and oh by the way, the SPOT is air conditioned and right across the street. Party Hard!!!

[Sidney]

Anyway, guys I will put this out in the strongest means that I can. Not a goddamn thing has changed on the Pedro strip in Sosua. Even the bar on the corner of the old jewelry store is giving it another go. DLatin is the new Classico's. Even though Classico's was air conditioned, it did not get jumping until Thursday night. D Latin has a large crowd every night of the week and the staff of Classico's is the same staff of D Latin. Some of the female bartenders can be bitchy about the Grande Presidente's (Fuck Giving them a Tip!!!!) The crowd is present because...................D' LATIN IS FREE!!! and oh by the way, the SPOT is air conditioned and right across the street. Party Hard!!!

Except many Haitian chicas and children are again ''running for cover'' from the Poli-Pussies.

[MrHappy]

Except many Haitian chicas and children are again ''running for cover'' from the Poli-Pussies.

Like the man said, not a damn thing has changed......