View Full Version : 09/2013 - All clubs in gascue / pastuer closed by government
likins
09-28-2013, 01:49 AM
all the chica clubs along pastuer / independencia, closed including:
hotel (club)305 closed
hotel (club)Venecia closed
club girl house closed
club sky high closed
the chicas said government started in Vanecia and is systematically closing all chica clubs
wow
dquick
09-28-2013, 05:59 AM
No offense....but this was reported on the board a while ago and talked to death.
The girls moved on. Some showed up in Sosua. I have not been in SDQ since summer, but I bet many are working out of the after After Hours club, around the corner from there.
Jimmydr
09-28-2013, 08:45 AM
No offense....but this was reported on the board a while ago and talked to death.
The girls moved on. Some showed up in Sosua. I have not been in SDQ since summer, but I bet many are working out of the after After Hours club, around the corner from there.
But all that is is the paid area of the board.:mad:
BigLongBeach
09-28-2013, 11:44 AM
does anyone have news on the casa's de cita in the malecon or other spots?
CinDR
01-22-2014, 10:39 PM
The casas listed are open again at this point -- in case anyone finds this thread and is confused.
The casas listed are open again at this point -- in case anyone finds this thread and is confused.
Thanks.
Venezia might still be closed or if does reopen, probably will have a different owner.
Citynights
01-23-2014, 10:03 AM
They were all open when I was there on Jan.4th.... Did a tour from 305 all the down to malecon...They were all open
Citynights
01-23-2014, 11:56 AM
They were all open when I was there on Jan.4th.... Did a tour from 305 all the down to malecon...They were all open
greydread
01-23-2014, 04:40 PM
Thanks.
Venezia might still be closed or if does reopen, probably will have a different owner.
Why? Did they send Danny back to Cuba? I still LOL about them shuffling those Chicas back and forth between Venezia and La Parada on a moments notice several times a week. Life was much simpler when Lapsus was around.
Why? Did they send Danny back to Cuba? I still LOL about them shuffling those Chicas back and forth between Venezia and La Parada on a moments notice several times a week. Life was much simpler when Lapsus was around.
La Parada was the first casa I visited over ten years ago. Was staying at the Jaragua Hotel and Casino, tower section room (first over night stay in Santo Domingo). Walked out the back of the Jaragua onto Independencia, street guy there then showed us La Parada. Walked in, about 10 friendly attractive chicas did the line up in front of me and a friend. Chose two, they sat down with us and were nice. We were the only guys in the place. Inside the ceiling was wood color, vaulted wood ceilings (later on they were painted white). It was a nice venue. Also visited Lapsus more than ten years ago, even closer to the rear entrance for the Jaragua Hotel and Casino. Watched a show inside there. Those days bars could stay open all night, I remember walking out of some small bar on the malecon and walking back to the Jaragua Hotel and Casino at around 7AM.
I don't know the owner of Venezia. I visited twice for less than 5 minutes. Venezia was a bit of a nuisance. Lapsus building was bulldozed to make way for some new development.
Lapsus
Photo from Lapsus from over ten years ago. You could smoke in the bars back then. Lapsus then had a stage and a woman in a flowery costume would come out and dance and strip. Also photos from the Jaragua Hotel and Casino from 10 years ago.
La Parada casa was just up the block from La Parada Restaurant.
JoseTalapia
01-23-2014, 10:19 PM
They were all open when I was there on Jan.4th.... Did a tour from 305 all the down to malecon...They were all open
I was there last Thursday night, January 16th, and all of the clubs were open. However, I think Venecia changed it's name.
greydread
01-24-2014, 01:21 AM
Photo from Lapsus from over ten years ago. You could smoke in the bars back then. Lapsus then had a stage and a woman in a flowery costume would come out and dance and strip. Also photos from the Jaragua Hotel and Casino from 10 years ago.
La Parada casa was just up the block from La Parada Restaurant.
Venezia opened as a Chica casa when Lapsus closed, same "owner", same Chicas but the manager went to 305. There was a Cuban family that owned Lapsus and apparently there was a split and the Uncle and Cousin opened 305 and Danny had Lapsus until they closed and moved their venue around the corner to make way for developers. La Parada had been closed for some time but some way, some how there were certain nights when Venezia was closed but the guys hanging out in front steered us to La Parada which happened to be open for the 1st time in over a year and the entire Lapsus/ Venezia crew was in there. This happened a few times for over a year.
It's funny. There are politicians and money Guys with all these great big ideas about development and apparently the money to see it through and they're disrupting the ebb and flow in pursuit of their big tourism dreams but I just don't see it happening and eventually all the money will dry up and all these big projects will turn into piles of rubble. It seems to be the Dominican way. Businesses come and go from trip to trip (La Base, Eagle Sports Bar, Lapsus, La Parada, Jazzy's, etc..etc..etc...
BTW...those tetas look familiar :wink::wink:
Venezia opened as a Chica casa when Lapsus closed, same "owner", same Chicas but the manager went to 305. There was a Cuban family that owned Lapsus and apparently there was a split and the Uncle and Cousin opened 305 and Danny had Lapsus until they closed and moved their venue around the corner to make way for developers. La Parada had been closed for some time but some way, some how there were certain nights when Venezia was closed but the guys hanging out in front steered us to La Parada which happened to be open for the 1st time in over a year and the entire Lapsus/ Venezia crew was in there. This happened a few times for over a year.
It's funny. There are politicians and money Guys with all these great big ideas about development and apparently the money to see it through and they're disrupting the ebb and flow in pursuit of their big tourism dreams but I just don't see it happening and eventually all the money will dry up and all these big projects will turn into piles of rubble. It seems to be the Dominican way. Businesses come and go from trip to trip (La Base, Eagle Sports Bar, Lapsus, La Parada, Jazzy's, etc..etc..etc...
BTW...those tetas look familiar :wink::wink:
Two new subway lines opened in the last ten years (completed and running). New highway to Samana completed. Boulevard Turistico in Samana opened and completed. Coral highway and new roads in punta cana and bavaro completed. How many new hotels and residences completed in the last ten years? How many new hotels and residences will open in the next ten years?
DR is changing whether you believe it or not.
Venezia opened as a Chica casa when Lapsus closed, same "owner", same Chicas but the manager went to 305. There was a Cuban family that owned Lapsus and apparently there was a split and the Uncle and Cousin opened 305 and Danny had Lapsus until they closed and moved their venue around the corner to make way for developers. La Parada had been closed for some time but some way, some how there were certain nights when Venezia was closed but the guys hanging out in front steered us to La Parada which happened to be open for the 1st time in over a year and the entire Lapsus/ Venezia crew was in there. This happened a few times for over a year.
It's funny. There are politicians and money Guys with all these great big ideas about development and apparently the money to see it through and they're disrupting the ebb and flow in pursuit of their big tourism dreams but I just don't see it happening and eventually all the money will dry up and all these big projects will turn into piles of rubble. It seems to be the Dominican way. Businesses come and go from trip to trip (La Base, Eagle Sports Bar, Lapsus, La Parada, Jazzy's, etc..etc..etc...
BTW...those tetas look familiar :wink::wink:
Businesses come and go in every country. Crazy Eddies, Abraham and Strauss, Alexanders, Enron, Edsel, Continental, TWA, Pan Am, Oldsmobile, are some businesses that are no longer around in the United States. Tesla, Amazon, jetBlue are fairly new business in the U.S.
La Base Bar changed their name to Andy Bar and were open the last time I was in DR.
Happyhorn
01-24-2014, 11:02 AM
You can't argue with logic like that.
greydread
01-24-2014, 11:13 AM
Two new subway lines opened in the last ten years (completed and running). New highway to Samana completed. Boulevard Turistico in Samana opened and completed. Coral highway and new roads in punta cana and bavaro completed. How many new hotels and residences completed in the last ten years? How many new hotels and residences will open in the next ten years?
DR is changing whether you believe it or not.
Oh I have no doubt that the D.R. is changing. The question is will it change for the better and I believe not. All those "improvements" you've mentioned have come from two sources: IMF loans and Drug Money laundering and neither will have any long term benefit for the economy.
As long as the public schools keep pushing out waves of young adults who are functionally illiterate with no discernible job skills there will continue to be crime, corruption and all the other symptoms of a society to which the only laws applicable are the laws of entropy. What good is a built up tourism industry if the tourists are afraid to come as the vacation horror stories mount. I will never forget the couple that I met from Indiana or Ohio or somewhere in the Midwest on my 1st trip who detailed their experience of being stopped by police as they were riding on the highway en route from Santiago and robbed at gunpoint, surrendering their cash but salvaging their credit cards through a hystrionic display of courage by a middle aged Presbyterian White Lady who swore for the 1st time in her life in reaction to her fist look down the barrel of a gun.
For all the new construction, the malls and restaurants that very few Dominicans can afford and the hotels which were built in the hopes that "they will come...." the Dominican Republic remains the place where stealing and lying are socially acceptable behaviors, even job skills in the tourism sector and the lives, love and labors of the majority are as cheap as dust. In response, that majority despoils the land, steals their electricity and presses its Daughters to turn their asses into a source of income in the midst of the squalor from whence they came, preparing them by urging them to flaunt their asses at the age of 15, accepting mass unwed teen pregnancy as a natural fact of life and throwing their garbage into the street as a method of cleaning their cars. After all car washes are for shooting pool, drinking beer and getting blowjobs.
Now that the IMF and the world bank are directing the country's economic policy and the DEA is bottlenecking the drugs which once flowed through the D.R. unfettered while they concentrated on the larger problems in Colombia and Mexico the increase in drug use by Dominicans youth is compounding their social ills and what we've seen happen as Mexico's internal drug trade bloomed into a full on civil war is a look into the future of the once lovely island of Hispaniola. Add to that equation thousands of deportees whose only skills were honed in the drug trade, cat houses and prisons of the USA and other developed nations and I believe that we may be looking at a perfect storm which will blow at full force as soon as the banks come into compliance with the accountability stipulations attached to all that IMF money that funded those wonderful projects which you mentioned and which add zero revenue, instead require budgets going forward for operation and maintenance from an internal economy which is sitting and waiting with baited breath for a crush of tourists who will never arrive.
A dollar invested in the Dominican Republic is two dollars lost.
greydread
01-24-2014, 11:26 AM
Businesses come and go in every country. Crazy Eddies, Abraham and Strauss, Alexanders, Enron, Edsel, Continental, TWA, Pan Am, Oldsmobile, are some businesses that are no longer around in the United States. Tesla, Amazon, jetBlue are fairly new business in the U.S.
La Base Bar changed their name to Andy Bar and were open the last time I was in DR.
The problem with that logic is that it compares US businesses which were profitable for decades, 40, 50 years or more (with the exception of Enron and Edsel isn't a company, it was a model and Ford, its manufacturer is still very much in business, BTW. Same goes for your Oldsmobile/GM example) against Dominican businesses which have lasted less than a decade because they exist in a throwaway society.
In most of the Caribbean it is perfectly safe to drink tap water and the rivers don't flood the sea with garbage every time it rains.
greydread
01-24-2014, 11:27 AM
You can't argue with logic like that.
It would be great if applied to the argument at hand but it doesn't. It's the sound that you hear after the Kool-Aid pitcher is empty.
JD426
01-24-2014, 11:37 AM
La Parada was the first casa I visited over ten years ago. Was staying at the Jaragua Hotel and Casino, tower section room (first over night stay in Santo Domingo). Walked out the back of the Jaragua onto Independencia, street guy there then showed us La Parada. Walked in, about 10 friendly attractive chicas did the line up in front of me and a friend. Chose two, they sat down with us and were nice. We were the only guys in the place. Inside the ceiling was wood color, vaulted wood ceilings (later on they were painted white). It was a nice venue. Also visited Lapsus more than ten years ago, even closer to the rear entrance for the Jaragua Hotel and Casino. Watched a show inside there. Those days bars could stay open all night, I remember walking out of some small bar on the malecon and walking back to the Jaragua Hotel and Casino at around 7AM.
I don't know the owner of Venezia. I visited twice for less than 5 minutes. Venezia was a bit of a nuisance. Lapsus building was bulldozed to make way for some new development.
Do you remember the Group dance show they used to put on at Lapsus ? Chicas would be dressed in those Cheezy but fun Nurses or Fireman outfits. and then you pick one to come to your table after the group is finished and she would give you the Lapdance of a lifetime, then you could do take out .... God, I miss that place... the waiter was a crooked little fucker but they always would treat you like VIP in there.
Im guessing you probably had a chance to hit Remington Palace also back then ?
That Pool shot of the Jaragua.. Nice.. It was a bitch sneaking the girls in though at the Jaragua, the towers were almost impossible, the Garden units in the back not so bad. Hit or miss .
The Melia was damn near impossible though..
What time of year did you usually go ? Hope you hit the Merangue Festivals at end of July, that was the shit back then...
The problem with that logic is that it compares US businesses which were profitable for decades, 40, 50 years or more (with the exception of Enron and Edsel isn't a company, it was a model and Ford, its manufacturer is still very much in business, BTW. Same goes for your Oldsmobile/GM example) against Dominican businesses which have lasted less than a decade because they exist in a throwaway society.
In most of the Caribbean it is perfectly safe to drink tap water and the rivers don't flood the sea with garbage every time it rains.
Pacos at el conde, in business at least since the 1970s. Clinica Abreu since 1941 (seventy three years in business in Santo Domingo, http://clinicaabreu.com.do/). Vesuvio restaurant 60 years, http://www.vesuvio.com.do/ .
Oldsmobile was a company under the GM brand, that is no more.
Photo of Pacos from the 1970s. Photo of the El Embajador Hotel from 1955 (still in business and recently got improvements). Supermercado Nacional since at least the 1970s, new nice stores in Santo Domingo currently. Photo of the Hotel Hamaca from 1951, added suites, another pool and other improvements in the last ten years.
greydread
01-24-2014, 12:22 PM
Do you remember the Group dance show they used to put on at Lapsus ? Chicas would be dressed in those Cheezy but fun Nurses or Fireman outfits. and then you pick one to come to your table after the group is finished and she would give you the Lapdance of a lifetime, then you could do take out .... God, I miss that place... the waiter was a crooked little fucker but they always would treat you like VIP in there.
Im guessing you probably had a chance to hit Remington Palace also back then ?
That Pool shot of the Jaragua.. Nice.. It was a bitch sneaking the girls in though at the Jaragua, the towers were almost impossible, the Garden units in the back not so bad. Hit or miss .
The Melia was damn near impossible though..
What time of year did you usually go ? Hope you hit the Merangue Festivals at end of July, that was the shit back then...
I have hit up Santo Domingo during every month of the year and each "season" had ne wonders to enjoy. The 1st night of each trip usually included "the show" at Lapsus and midnight espresso at Manolo to watch the action on the Ave Independencia Puta stroll followed by a run through the Jaragua Casino and its band shows. I really miss the old days there and there isn't anything comparable now.
Any time there was a big boxing match on La Base was the place to watch while dining and boozing al fresco and March Madness and NFL Playoffs were taken in at Eagle Sports Bar and the 5 Star Sports Bar.
This new thing with malls and Hooters and the myriad of clone franchises from the USA is sickening to me. I remember when the Dominican travel experience was authentic and now it might as well be a trip to Ohio which is why I prefer the barrios now. I'm a lot more likely to dine at Segura than Hard Rock.
My 1st trip was on 26 Feb and I was hooked after an all night all day experience (before the curfew) unlike any other.
The problem with that logic is that it compares US businesses which were profitable for decades, 40, 50 years or more (with the exception of Enron and Edsel isn't a company, it was a model and Ford, its manufacturer is still very much in business, BTW. Same goes for your Oldsmobile/GM example) against Dominican businesses which have lasted less than a decade because they exist in a throwaway society.
In most of the Caribbean it is perfectly safe to drink tap water and the rivers don't flood the sea with garbage every time it rains.
Thanks.
From wiki; "List of defunct automobile manufacturers of the United States": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_automobile_manufacturers_of_the_United_States (maybe over 100 names on the list, including Edsel).
"The Ford Motor Company lost millions of dollars on the Edsel's development, manufacturing and marketing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel
greydread
01-24-2014, 12:53 PM
Pacos at el conde, in business at least since the 1970s. Clinica Abreu since 1941 (seventy three years in business in Santo Domingo, http://clinicaabreu.com.do/). Vesuvio restaurant 60 years, http://www.vesuvio.com.do/ .
Oldsmobile was a company under the GM brand, that is no more.
Photo of Pacos from the 1970s. Photo of the El Embajador Hotel from 1955 (still in business and recently got improvements). Supermercado Nacional since at least the 1970s, new nice stores in Santo Domingo currently. Photo of the Hotel Hamaca from 1951, added suites, another pool and other improvements in the last ten years.
http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14134&d=1297377873
Caswell-Massey in Newport RI opened in 1752
Bakers's Chocolate was founded in 1765, now owned by Kraft
Ames tool company was founded in 1774 now owned by Griffon Mgmt. and Holding Co. Camp Hill PA
Jim Beam (VA,KY) sold their 1st barrel of whiskey in 1795 and survived prohibition
Crane Paper Co (MA) has been in business since 1799 and has supplied paper for the U S Treasury since 1879
DuPont (DE) has been in business since 1802
Colgate started in NYC in 1806
Pfaltzgraff got started in 1811 and is now part of Lifetime Brands
All of the above are still viable brands and all you've got is two Dominican hotels? How many times has the DR changed ownership since the newest of these companies has been in business?
None of that speaks to the point that the Dominican Republic is a HORRIBLE business environment and all it's going to take is one well publicized gun battle between drug lords to rip the asshole out of the tourism industry (see Mexico) and eliminate half the country's economy in about a day. They think they're poor now? They'll be eating Soylent Green after that shit happens!
greydread
01-24-2014, 01:05 PM
Thanks.
From wiki; "List of defunct automobile manufacturers of the United States": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_automobile_manufacturers_of_the_United_States (maybe over 100 names on the list, including Edsel).
"The Ford Motor Company lost millions of dollars on the Edsel's development, manufacturing and marketing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel
...and the Ford Motor Company made tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars on the development, manufacturing and marketing of the MUSTANG since it's rollout in 1964. You win some battles and you lose some but the company has been in business since 1903.
What Dominican Auto Manufacturer has operated since 1903, no, wait, what Dominican Business not named "Listin Diario" was even in operation when Henry Ford started manufacturing automobiles? Not counting Cuban defectors who bolted in the 60's for the D.R. when threatened by Castro. Go and Rage Google dat!
...take your time...:rolleyes:
Oh I have no doubt that the D.R. is changing. The question is will it change for the better and I believe not. All those "improvements" you've mentioned have come from two sources: IMF loans and Drug Money laundering and neither will have any long term benefit for the economy.
As long as the public schools keep pushing out waves of young adults who are functionally illiterate with no discernible job skills there will continue to be crime, corruption and all the other symptoms of a society to which the only laws applicable are the laws of entropy. What good is a built up tourism industry if the tourists are afraid to come as the vacation horror stories mount. I will never forget the couple that I met from Indiana or Ohio or somewhere in the Midwest on my 1st trip who detailed their experience of being stopped by police as they were riding on the highway en route from Santiago and robbed at gunpoint, surrendering their cash but salvaging their credit cards through a hystrionic display of courage by a middle aged Presbyterian White Lady who swore for the 1st time in her life in reaction to her fist look down the barrel of a gun.
For all the new construction, the malls and restaurants that very few Dominicans can afford and the hotels which were built in the hopes that "they will come...." the Dominican Republic remains the place where stealing and lying are socially acceptable behaviors, even job skills in the tourism sector and the lives, love and labors of the majority are as cheap as dust. In response, that majority despoils the land, steals their electricity and presses its Daughters to turn their asses into a source of income in the midst of the squalor from whence they came, preparing them by urging them to flaunt their asses at the age of 15, accepting mass unwed teen pregnancy as a natural fact of life and throwing their garbage into the street as a method of cleaning their cars. After all car washes are for shooting pool, drinking beer and getting blowjobs.
Now that the IMF and the world bank are directing the country's economic policy and the DEA is bottlenecking the drugs which once flowed through the D.R. unfettered while they concentrated on the larger problems in Colombia and Mexico the increase in drug use by Dominicans youth is compounding their social ills and what we've seen happen as Mexico's internal drug trade bloomed into a full on civil war is a look into the future of the once lovely island of Hispaniola. Add to that equation thousands of deportees whose only skills were honed in the drug trade, cat houses and prisons of the USA and other developed nations and I believe that we may be looking at a perfect storm which will blow at full force as soon as the banks come into compliance with the accountability stipulations attached to all that IMF money that funded those wonderful projects which you mentioned and which add zero revenue, instead require budgets going forward for operation and maintenance from an internal economy which is sitting and waiting with baited breath for a crush of tourists who will never arrive.
A dollar invested in the Dominican Republic is two dollars lost.
Drug use in the DR? I really don't see it. Probably biggest consumers of cocaine are people in the US and Europe (a comedian, maybe Richard Pryor once said, Cocaine is God's way of saying you have too much money). The number of famous Americans who have died as a result of cocaine, you can easily think of numerous.
I have walked around all hours of the day and night in Santo Domingo and never felt afraid or threatened. I have driven all hours of the day and night in the DR and never had a serious problem.
You can go and live off the grid somewhere, away from everyone and anything, if that is your utopia.
Construction workers got paid for working on the various projects that have been completed in the last ten years. People work on the subways, people will work in the new hotels and residences. New highways and roads are safer, less people will die.
...and the Ford Motor Company made tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars on the development, manufacturing and marketing of the MUSTANG since it's rollout in 1964. You win some battles and you lose some but the company has been in business since 1903.
What Dominican Auto Manufacturer has operated since 1903, no, wait, what Dominican Business not named "Listin Diario" was even in operation when Henry Ford started manufacturing automobiles? Not counting Cuban defectors who bolted in the 60's for the D.R. when threatened by Castro. Go and Rage Google dat!
...take your time...:rolleyes:
And the US Government had to bail out the US Auto Industry in the last ten years as it also had to bail out the Financial Industry.
dquick
01-24-2014, 01:13 PM
Ummmm......
Do you really want the economy to improve in the DR too much? If it did and you had douboe digit economic growth, you would also have double digit growth in the price of pussy. (Take Brazil for example.)
What you want is enough mo ey coming into the economy to pay for basic services like POLICE, but not so much money that some do gooder politician starts giving out welfare checks or JOBS to potential putas.
This balance is not perfect, but the current group of politicians in DR seem to be keeping the status quo. So once in a while they have to do a crackdown for the international community. But they leave the root conditions the same which allow our hobby to flurish.
One last note. I predict the exchange rate will hit 45:1 by the end of 2014.
...and the Ford Motor Company made tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars on the development, manufacturing and marketing of the MUSTANG since it's rollout in 1964. You win some battles and you lose some but the company has been in business since 1903.
What Dominican Auto Manufacturer has operated since 1903, no, wait, what Dominican Business not named "Listin Diario" was even in operation when Henry Ford started manufacturing automobiles? Not counting Cuban defectors who bolted in the 60's for the D.R. when threatened by Castro. Go and Rage Google dat!
...take your time...:rolleyes:
"Pinto Madness. For seven years the Ford Motor Company sold cars in which it knew hundreds of people would needlessly burn to death." http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1977/09/pinto-madness
Name me a Dominican Company that produced cars that it knew would have people burn to death in?
greydread
01-24-2014, 01:36 PM
Drug use in the DR? I really don't see it. Probably biggest consumers of cocaine are people in the US and Europe (a comedian, maybe Richard Pryor once said, Cocaine is God's way of saying you have too much money). The number of famous Americans who have died as a result of cocaine, you can easily think of numerous.
I have walked around all hours of the day and night in Santo Domingo and never felt afraid or threatened. I have driven all hours of the day and night in the DR and never had a serious problem.
You can go and live off the grid somewhere, away from everyone and anything, if that is your utopia.
Construction workers got paid for working on the various projects that have been completed in the last ten years. People work on the subways, people will work in the new hotels and residences. New highways and roads are safer, less people will die.
Wow! We've got a member who's smarter than the entire State Department.....not
https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=14200
greydread
01-24-2014, 01:39 PM
"Pinto Madness. For seven years the Ford Motor Company sold cars in which it knew hundreds of people would needlessly burn to death." http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1977/09/pinto-madness
Name me a Dominican Company that produced cars that it knew would have people burn to death in?
Is this some kind of trick?
IF there was a Dominican Auto Manufacturer they would ONLY produce cars that burn people to death.
That's why there are no Dominican Auto Manufacturers.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
greydread
01-24-2014, 01:49 PM
And the US Government had to bail out the US Auto Industry in the last ten years as it also had to bail out the Financial Industry.
...and the IMF had to bail out the Dominican economy because the Dominican Government couldn't "bail out" a fucking bodega.
You're pissing straight into the wind here and it's making you all wet.
There's no way you're going to convince anyone not on drugs that the Dominican Republic has a viable economy without the help of the developed nations, especially the USA
http://justf.org/Country?country=Dominican_Republic
Sell that bullshit down the street.
greydread
01-24-2014, 02:00 PM
Ummmm......
Do you really want the economy to improve in the DR too much? If it did and you had douboe digit economic growth, you would also have double digit growth in the price of pussy. (Take Brazil for example.)
What you want is enough mo ey coming into the economy to pay for basic services like POLICE, but not so much money that some do gooder politician starts giving out welfare checks or JOBS to potential putas.
This balance is not perfect, but the current group of politicians in DR seem to be keeping the status quo. So once in a while they have to do a crackdown for the international community. But they leave the root conditions the same which allow our hobby to flurish.
One last note. I predict the exchange rate will hit 45:1 by the end of 2014.
Yeah
There's nothing like cheap Dominican Punani
http://unlphotojournalismdominicanrepublic.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/131229_reed_dr_teenage-pregnancy_la-victoria-city_257_.jpg
greydread
01-24-2014, 02:15 PM
Here's an economy on the uptick...
We all like pictures, right?
http://vivirlatino.com/i/2007/05/santodomingosubway.jpg
http://operation-boost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/bakfiets.jpg
Our buddy isn't afraid to walk the streets of Santo Domingo any time of day or night, just ask these folks
http://infrascapedesign.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/barrio-trash1.jpg%3Fw%3D584
http://www.physiciansforpeace.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/barrio_1_0.jpg
..and remember....drug stashes are just like roaches, for every 1 you see there's 50 you don't
http://www.dominicantoday.com/image/article/18/460x390/0/AE78DDAD-EB69-45D8-BB72-782E79A7AB01.jpeg
The good life...
http://www.willingservantministries.org/news/poor%20house.jpg
"Now remember, Boys. We've got to kick half upstairs to El Jefe or it's all of our asses"
http://www.dominicantoday.com/image/article/18/460x390/0/CC84A949-B949-434A-A60F-90E98446B89D.jpeg
Wow! We've got a member who's smarter than the entire State Department.....not
https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=14200
Personal insults no problem, we can have this conversation in person any time you want.
Seems maybe you believe that the people who inhabit the Dominican part of the island of Hispaniola are somehow some separate and distinct species of inferior human being. Goes to the breadth and depth of your intellect http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/images/posticons/lol.gif
Yeah
There's nothing like cheap Dominican Punani
Click to see pic (http://unlphotojournalismdominicanrepublic.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/131229_reed_dr_teenage-pregnancy_la-victoria-city_257_.jpg)
Not much different than what Europe and the United States looked like not too long along.
I guess it takes a "real man", a "superior person" cajones to try and insult and belittle a generally non-white, non-rich country, congratulations.
greydread
01-24-2014, 02:33 PM
I'm sure that our fearless buddy, Jao has the pictures he took while strolling through barrio Las Minas
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/15665274.jpg
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/16079472.jpg
Man, the folks in La Zuiza can't believe how much the Metro and Autopista has improved their lives!
Jao must have been through there and have some pretty pictures for us....
http://cronkite.asu.edu/buffett/dr/images/slider_religion/18_raymondfamily.jpg
Who's down for a walk with Jao through barrio Herrera? We'll take the Met-ro
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/26530370.jpg
greydread
01-24-2014, 02:41 PM
Personal insults no problem, we can have this conversation in person any time you want.
Seems maybe you believe that the people who inhabit the Dominican part of the island of Hispaniola are somehow some separate and distinct species of inferior human being. Goes to the breadth and depth of your intellect Click to see pic (http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/images/posticons/lol.gif)
Wrong and wrong.
What I think is that glossing over the problems suffered by the 1st hosts of the invasion of the Americas is a travesty and that there's a whole lot more value in keeping the discussion real than selling the "paradise playground" lie.
Those people aren't "inferior", far from it. They've been lied to, swindled, bamboozled and fucked over by every "1st world" country to set foot on their soil and yet they persevere and revel in song and show us everything that's best in people despite the miserable conditions they've been thrust into.
You little plastic photo tours show none of this. You can't conceive the breadth and depth of my intellect. It would be like trying to explain the relationship between astrophysics and small particle physics at the special Olympics.
Population of the US: 313 million
Population of the Dominican Republic: 10 million
Land Mass of the US: 9.827 million km²
Land Mass of the Dominican Republic: 48,320 sq km
Wow! We've got a member who's smarter than the entire State Department.....not
https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=14200
From the link you provided first sentence: "While the State Department rates the crime threat for the Dominican Republic as “High,” the 2012 nationwide statistics from the Domincan Republic National Police, in comparison to 2011 figures, displayed a 10 percent decrease in the number of reported homicides;
Not much different than what Europe and the United States looked like not too long along.
http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/sc/web/series/815/trashopolis/140423/paris
"Trashopolis: Paris
There may be no place on Earth as beautiful or as romantic as Paris, France. But the City of Light was once a city of unspeakable filth and decay. Rotting garbage and carcasses filled the streets. Human waste from chamber pots rained down from the windows. Transforming this foul city into the most popular tourist destination in the world would take centuries, and would require the demolition of slums, the removal of 6 million corpses and the addition of hundreds of miles of sewers. See how trash reinvented Paris from the underground up."
greydread
01-24-2014, 03:01 PM
Not much different than what Europe and the United States looked like not too long along.
I guess it takes a "real man", a "superior person" cajones to try and insult and belittle a generally non-white, non-rich country, congratulations.
Once again, you're missing the point of my observations entirely.
The Dominican People had no idea what poverty was until the Spanish came to "help" them.
They knew nothing about hunger and didn't want for anything they couldn't reach and pluck off a tree or scoop out of the river or the sea.
All this "aid" has come with a horrible price and they're sinking deeper into the quicksand of western debt with every stroke of the pen. Life is not improving for the vast majority of Dominicans.
I've been alive almost 60 years and I never saw anyone in the USA shower buck neked in view of the world under a bucket of rain water. How long is progress supposed to take? After all we've (USA) been butting into the affairs of the Republica for about a century now and we don't really appear to have made things much better there.
I have no idea what your "real man and superior person" references are drawn from, I just know that your glossing past the realities of the D.R. in favor of selling some vision of what it "could" or "should" be like is disingenuous at best and I feel compelled to refute it. Because it's bullshit... and yes, I would be honored to continue the discussion in person, ask anybody on this board who knows me. I'm the same Guy all the time and everywhere I go, that's six continents and counting.
greydread
01-24-2014, 03:08 PM
From the link you provided first sentence: "While the State Department rates the crime threat for the Dominican Republic as “High,” the 2012 nationwide statistics from the Domincan Republic National Police, in comparison to 2011 figures, displayed a 10 percent decrease in the number of reported homicides;
Yeah and a whopping double digit increase in the number of reported rapes with increases also in reported extortion scams targeting tourists thefts and drug related offenses along with fraud and armed robberies.
The thing about statistical reports is that you have to read every sentence, all the way to the dot at the end to get the facts rather than just go fishing for a single point to make in a rhetorical diatribe.
greydread
01-24-2014, 03:31 PM
http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/sc/web/series/815/trashopolis/140423/paris
"Trashopolis: Paris
There may be no place on Earth as beautiful or as romantic as Paris, France. But the City of Light was once a city of unspeakable filth and decay. Rotting garbage and carcasses filled the streets. Human waste from chamber pots rained down from the windows. Transforming this foul city into the most popular tourist destination in the world would take centuries, and would require the demolition of slums, the removal of 6 million corpses and the addition of hundreds of miles of sewers. See how trash reinvented Paris from the underground up."
We have made more technological progress in the past 60 years than we did in the previous 37,000.
What used to take centuries to fix now takes months. Do you believe for one minute that if mankind redirected our resources to eliminating poverty instead of waging war for control of resources and shipping routes that we could possibly fail? Elimination of poverty so armed conflict, disease, hunger, ignorance and crime will naturally follow.
The truth is that the type of power so treasured by the moneyed classes can only be amassed by the perpetuation of poverty and all its myriad symptoms. And underclasses must be created and maintained and manipulated against one another in order to maintain that power. The illusion of economic opportunity is like the mechanical rabbit at the dog track. The dogs have to believe they're chasing the rabbit if you're going to have a decent race and they can never be allowed to actually catch the rabbit or they'll never run again.
Little things like providing potable water, indoor plumbing for water distribution and waste management, reliable electricity, adequate public education and health care and dare I mention employment opportunity? These aren't far fetched ideas and I'm sure that most Dominicans would choose these easily attainable goals over the Metro and the Autopista. The problem is that developers and government officials DGAF what the majority of their people wants or needs as long as they can line their own pockets. How much money do you imagine was siphoned off the Metro and Autopista projects in kickbacks and outright graft?
That rosy outlook for the D.R. future isn't real, it's just there to keep the natives from getting restless and sooth the nerves of the suckers, I mean investors.
Here's an economy on the uptick...
We all like pictures, right?
Click to see pic (http://vivirlatino.com/i/2007/05/santodomingosubway.jpg)
Not a clue when or where this photo was taken, it is not something I have seen in the last five years in Santo Domingo (your posted photo of a tunnel).
Photos and information regarding the Santo Domingo subway (finished stations and during construction). http://us.santo-domingo-live.com/santo-domingo/diverse/subway.html
..and remember....drug stashes are just like roaches, for every 1 you see there's 50 you don't
Click to see pic (http://www.dominicantoday.com/image/article/18/460x390/0/AE78DDAD-EB69-45D8-BB72-782E79A7AB01.jpeg)
Your posted photo of bundles of something, cocaine? Cocaine more likely than not produced in Colombia, on its way to US consumers?
"Now remember, Boys. We've got to kick half upstairs to El Jefe or it's all of our asses"
Click to see pic (http://www.dominicantoday.com/image/article/18/460x390/0/CC84A949-B949-434A-A60F-90E98446B89D.jpeg)
I have given rides to guys in the Dominican military and law enforcement, (they were waiting on the side of the roads for guaguas or buses). Always very polite with me in the rental car.
greydread
01-24-2014, 04:11 PM
Your posted photo of bundles of something, cocaine? Cocaine more likely than not produced in Colombia, on its way to US consumers?
Now you're cooking with gas.
The pressure (and military/ police aid in money, training and materiel) from the USA has resulted in the gov't and military bosses actually having to increase the interdiction efforts and rat out some of the Guys who are putting money into their other hand to look the other way. This is beginning to result in product bottlenecking at the transshipment stage and having to be distributed and sold internally in increasingly greater quantities. I saw the same thing happen in Mexico in the late 90's and in a half dozen years the resulting distribution wars near wrecked their tourism industry.
Unless the eradication of internal distribution attains the same priority level as the elimination of transshipment activities the future is already written. This must be a Dominican initiative because the DEA DGAF about anything but it's mission to eliminate the transshipment thread and move on to the next hole in the dyke.
greydread
01-24-2014, 04:20 PM
I have given rides to guys in the Dominican military and law enforcement, (they were waiting on the side of the roads for guaguas or buses). Always very polite with me in the rental car.
Unfortunately poverty is one of the most obvious indication of Dominican LE and military personnel's character. It's the Colonels and the Generals with the jipetas and the condo's and the mistresses all over town and foreign stashes of cash who do not ride in the rental cars of tourists who are the problem and every once in awhile a few of them get caught in between the proverbial rock and hard place and end up dead or missing.
The rock is the smugglers who supplement their personal fortunes and the hard place is the foreign interdiction interests who prop up their programs with aid. Every once in awhile the two interests collide and a there's a promotion opportunity for a new Colonel or General.
Wrong and wrong.
Tourism is up every year in the Dominican Republic. Some people love the DR (seems you don't); http://www.bancentral.gov.do/english/statistics.asp?a=Tourism_Sector
Yeah and a whopping double digit increase in the number of reported rapes with increases also in reported extortion scams targeting tourists thefts and drug related offenses along with fraud and armed robberies.
The thing about statistical reports is that you have to read every sentence, all the way to the dot at the end to get the facts rather than just go fishing for a single point to make in a rhetorical diatribe.
Thanks, I did a search of the page from link you posted, https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=14200 , I couldn't find the word extort or extortion on that page.
From the link you provided: "Fraud schemes continue to increase, with credit card fraud being the main dilemma." With a credit card you are not personally responsible for fraudulent charges. Target Stores in the US, recently had a breach regarding credit card info and Neiman Marcus Stores in the U.S. (up to 1.1 million credit cards compromised).
greydread
01-24-2014, 04:47 PM
Tourism is up every year in the Dominican Republic. Some people love the DR (seems you don't); http://www.bancentral.gov.do/english/statistics.asp?a=Tourism_Sector
Tourism is up? So is inflation and poverty and the unofficial unemployment rate but the peso is in steady decline.
On my 1st trip the peso was 28 to the dollar.
I love the D.R. as evidenced by the dozens of trips and tens of thousands of my own dollars spent there.
I love it like I love Harlem, the place of my birth and where my youth was spent, with no illusion about what it is or why it is what it is and who's winning and who's losing and how to get in and come out with my skin on. As a matter of fact it was the similarities between the Santo Domingo of today and the Harlem of the 60's that made me fall in love with the place immediately. But I love places like I love Women....fuck up and I'm gone, thanks for the memories, no hard feelings.
Not unlike the city of my origin, I prefer to stay elsewhere and visit Santo Domingo from time to time. The thrill isn't gone, it's shifting a little with each and every familiar memory that joins the relics of the past.
Do you remember the Group dance show they used to put on at Lapsus ? Chicas would be dressed in those Cheezy but fun Nurses or Fireman outfits. and then you pick one to come to your table after the group is finished and she would give you the Lapdance of a lifetime, then you could do take out .... God, I miss that place... the waiter was a crooked little fucker but they always would treat you like VIP in there.
Im guessing you probably had a chance to hit Remington Palace also back then ?
That Pool shot of the Jaragua.. Nice.. It was a bitch sneaking the girls in though at the Jaragua, the towers were almost impossible, the Garden units in the back not so bad. Hit or miss .
The Melia was damn near impossible though..
What time of year did you usually go ? Hope you hit the Merangue Festivals at end of July, that was the shit back then...
The old Lapsus I only visited that one time, my first time staying in Santo Domingo. The Jaragua Hotel and Casino, that first time staying in Santo Domingo, I gave the names of two chicas who I thought would visit me, at the time of check in. One chica visited my room, with me at night and we had to go to the front desk and they checked her name on an index card (where the names were written when I checked in) and she was allowed up to my room in the tower section. The other chica came over in the afternoon with another chica and we went directly to the pool, from the pool we went to my room and security didn't stop us. Garden section room , when I stayed there, there was a worker with a printout of names of guests and their guests, that guy wouldn't let me enter with anyone during the day (I hadn't given any names at check in).
Remington Palace I have read was a really fun place, I didn't get to experience it. Melia (soon to be Sheraton, http://www.starwoodhotels.com/sheraton/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=3855), I never stayed at. There used to be some lookers in Coppa Disco in the Hotel Melia (popular and busy casino).
Thanks.
I'm sure that our fearless buddy, Jao has the pictures he took while strolling through barrio Las Minas
Click to see pic (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/15665274.jpg)
Click to see pic (http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/16079472.jpg)
Man, the folks in La Zuiza can't believe how much the Metro and Autopista has improved their lives!
Jao must have been through there and have some pretty pictures for us....
Click to see pic (http://cronkite.asu.edu/buffett/dr/images/slider_religion/18_raymondfamily.jpg)
Who's down for a walk with Jao through barrio Herrera? We'll take the Met-ro
Click to see pic (http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/26530370.jpg)
Nice photos, friendly people. Herrera has some beautiful women. To be built line 4 of the Metro will pass adjacent to Herrera.
Yeah
There's nothing like cheap Dominican Punani
Click to see pic (http://unlphotojournalismdominicanrepublic.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/131229_reed_dr_teenage-pregnancy_la-victoria-city_257_.jpg)
Museum of Modern Art, Santo Domingo, República Dominicana; http://yalodominicana.blogspot.com/2013_04_01_archive.html
Here's an economy on the uptick...
We all like pictures, right?
Click to see pic (http://vivirlatino.com/i/2007/05/santodomingosubway.jpg)
Click to see pic (http://operation-boost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/bakfiets.jpg)
Our buddy isn't afraid to walk the streets of Santo Domingo any time of day or night, just ask these folks
Click to see pic (http://infrascapedesign.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/barrio-trash1.jpg%3Fw%3D584)
Click to see pic (http://www.physiciansforpeace.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/barrio_1_0.jpg)
..and remember....drug stashes are just like roaches, for every 1 you see there's 50 you don't
Click to see pic (http://www.dominicantoday.com/image/article/18/460x390/0/AE78DDAD-EB69-45D8-BB72-782E79A7AB01.jpeg)
The good life...
Click to see pic (http://www.willingservantministries.org/news/poor%20house.jpg)
"Now remember, Boys. We've got to kick half upstairs to El Jefe or it's all of our asses"
Click to see pic (http://www.dominicantoday.com/image/article/18/460x390/0/CC84A949-B949-434A-A60F-90E98446B89D.jpeg)
Photo of the guy you posted on a bicycle with a car body. Bicycling is environmentally friendly, recycling the car body is environmentally friendly and the guy is strong and working.
greydread
01-25-2014, 12:08 PM
Museum of Modern Art, Santo Domingo, República Dominicana; http://yalodominicana.blogspot.com/2013_04_01_archive.html
I am an art lover too.
Fucking is an expression of love.
http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=93369&d=1390669551
greydread
01-25-2014, 12:13 PM
Photo of the guy you posted on a bicycle with a car body. Bicycling is environmentally friendly, recycling the car body is environmentally friendly and the guy is strong and working.
Yeah and this Guy is a wonderful humanitarian who's in the business of matching People with their newest bestest friends.
Sorry, all I see is a Puppy Pimp. I may need to borrow your rose colored glasses on my next trip.
http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/imagehosting/875948160575dc028.jpg
The problem with that logic is that it compares US businesses which were profitable for decades, 40, 50 years or more (with the exception of Enron and Edsel isn't a company, it was a model and Ford, its manufacturer is still very much in business, BTW. Same goes for your Oldsmobile/GM example) against Dominican businesses which have lasted less than a decade because they exist in a throwaway society.
In most of the Caribbean it is perfectly safe to drink tap water and the rivers don't flood the sea with garbage every time it rains.
I have been in Santo Domingo after it rained, I saw leaves and plants, washed into the sea from the Ozama River, never saw huge amounts of Garbage washed into the Sea from the Rio Ozama.
Industrialized Nations greatly polluted this planet during the Industrial Revolution.
Good book to read or listen to on audible.com, The Big Oyster: History on the Half Shell.
G.E. Company poisoned parts of the Hudson River, fish from parts of the Hudson River, are not to be eaten in great quantities and not to be eaten by certain groups of people.
A.M.C. Motors was in business for 34 years (Mr. 47% Mitt Romney, his father was chairman of A.M.C., I can imagine him with some Ford Executives on a Golf Course outside of Detroit back in the day, with the Ford Execs saying they were going to sell some cheap cars, that could burn alive its occupants to some of the people in the 47%). And of course Mitt's family got financial aid (welfare) when they moved back into the U.S., from Mexico (they had abandoned the U.S. to live in Mexico so they could have multiple wives at the same time).
West Virginia, some tap water was recently polluted.
greydread
01-25-2014, 02:03 PM
I have been in Santo Domingo after it rained, I saw leaves and plants, washed into the sea from the Ozama River, never saw huge amounts of Garbage washed into the Sea from the Rio Ozama.
Industrialized Nations greatly polluted this planet during the Industrial Revolution.
Good book to read or listen to on audible.com, The Big Oyster: History on the Half Shell.
G.E. Company poisoned parts of the Hudson River, fish from parts of the Hudson River, are not to be eaten in great quantities and not to be eaten by certain groups of people.
A.M.C. Motors was in business for 34 years (Mr. 47% Mitt Romney, his father was chairman of A.M.C., I can imagine him with some Ford Executives on a Golf Course outside of Detroit back in the day, with the Ford Execs saying they were going to sell some cheap cars, that could burn alive its occupants to some of the people in the 47%) And of course Mitt's family got financial aid (welfare) when they moved back into the U.S., from Mexico (they had abandoned the U.S. to live in Mexico so they could have multiple wives at the same time).
West Virginia, some tap water was recently polluted.
Are you serious? The Ozama is one of the nastiest waterways on the planet and if you sit for lunch at Adrian Tropical after a good rain you will be treated to the sight of a long brown patch entering the Caribbean and those "leaves and plants" that you see are the leaves and plants from a bottle and can tree which have fallen into a cesspool of untreated human and animal waste.
AMC was purchased by the Chrysler corporation for $830 MILLION after 37 years. That's a whole lot different than a boarded up business. AMC itself was the result of a merger between the Hudson Car Company and Nash-Kelvinator Corp in 1954. That's how American business works. The D.R. utilizes the steal, cut & run approach to business by contrast.
As to the point of "unsafe cars", here's how U.S. Auto manufacturing works. There are 4 separate engineering functions: Concept and design, Prototype and Test, Manufacturing and Modification and Efficiency Engineering. They are different teams which interact throughout different stages of the process. The last ones mentioned scale back the design to cut cost and in that process some steel parts are replaced by cheaper plastic ones, complex mechanisms are replaced with simpler ones and multiple wires are replaced by mutli-conductor wires and so on.
It is usually during the reverse engineering process that a flaw is induced. I'm sure that the originally designed Pinto would have a best buy consumer rating but it was intended to be cheap enough for folks to buy as a 2nd car. The recalls come when the Company comes to the conclusion that it would be cheaper to pay for a modification or in the case of the Corvair, remove the vehicle from production altogether than to settle all the lawsuits. Welcome to America. This is how the manufacturing business is done and the overall goal is to sell a lot of product and get rich doing it.
http://yoursaucepans.blogspot.com/2012/03/o-is-for-ozama-river.html
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FTpHwlIfVws/T3ctPWdwzZI/AAAAAAAAAv4/icO4lxJGTYc/s320/ozama4.jpg
http://www.boostdam.net/2006DOMINICANREPUBLIC/200611_12DR%20037g.jpg
Are you serious? The Ozama is one of the nastiest waterways on the planet and if you sit for lunch at Adrian Tropical after a good rain you will be treated to the sight of a long brown patch entering the Caribbean and those "leaves and plants" that you see are the leaves and plants from a bottle and can tree which have fallen into a cesspool of untreated human and animal waste.
AMC was purchased by the Chrysler corporation for $830 MILLION after 37 years. That's a whole lot different than a boarded up business. AMC itself was the result of a merger between the Hudson Car Company and Nash-Kelvinator Corp in 1954. That's how American business works. The D.R. utilizes the steal, cut & run approach to business by contrast.
As to the point of "unsafe cars", here's how U.S. Auto manufacturing works. There are 4 separate engineering functions: Concept and design, Prototype and Test, Manufacturing and Modification and Efficiency Engineering. They are different teams which interact throughout different stages of the process. The last ones mentioned scale back the design to cut cost and in that process some steel parts are replaced by cheaper plastic ones, complex mechanisms are replaced with simpler ones and multiple wires are replaced by mutli-conductor wires and so on.
It is usually during the reverse engineering process that a flaw is induced. I'm sure that the originally designed Pinto would have a best buy consumer rating but it was intended to be cheap enough for folks to buy as a 2nd car. The recalls come when the Company comes to the conclusion that it would be cheaper to pay for a modification or in the case of the Corvair, remove the vehicle from production altogether than to settle all the lawsuits. Welcome to America. This is how the manufacturing business is done and the overall goal is to sell a lot of product and get rich doing it.
http://yoursaucepans.blogspot.com/2012/03/o-is-for-ozama-river.html
Click to see pic (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FTpHwlIfVws/T3ctPWdwzZI/AAAAAAAAAv4/icO4lxJGTYc/s320/ozama4.jpg)
Click to see pic (http://www.boostdam.net/2006DOMINICANREPUBLIC/200611_12DR%20037g.jpg)
Photo of the mouth of the River Ozama, I took in the last three years.
Are you serious? The Ozama is one of the nastiest waterways on the planet and if you sit for lunch at Adrian Tropical after a good rain you will be treated to the sight of a long brown patch entering the Caribbean and those "leaves and plants" that you see are the leaves and plants from a bottle and can tree which have fallen into a cesspool of untreated human and animal waste.
Leaves and plants in the Sea, from the Ozama River after a rain, a photo I took in the last five years.
greydread
01-25-2014, 02:19 PM
Photo of the mouth of the River Ozama, I took in the last three years.
Yup and not a rain cloud in sight.
Take another after a heavy rain and you will see a distinctive brown streak with decorative, multicolored plastic debris in the Caribbean as it flows from the mouth of the Ozama.
Are you serious? The Ozama is one of the nastiest waterways on the planet and if you sit for lunch at Adrian Tropical after a good rain you will be treated to the sight of a long brown patch entering the Caribbean and those "leaves and plants" that you see are the leaves and plants from a bottle and can tree which have fallen into a cesspool of untreated human and animal waste.
AMC was purchased by the Chrysler corporation for $830 MILLION after 37 years. That's a whole lot different than a boarded up business. AMC itself was the result of a merger between the Hudson Car Company and Nash-Kelvinator Corp in 1954. That's how American business works. The D.R. utilizes the steal, cut & run approach to business by contrast.
As to the point of "unsafe cars", here's how U.S. Auto manufacturing works. There are 4 separate engineering functions: Concept and design, Prototype and Test, Manufacturing and Modification and Efficiency Engineering. They are different teams which interact throughout different stages of the process. The last ones mentioned scale back the design to cut cost and in that process some steel parts are replaced by cheaper plastic ones, complex mechanisms are replaced with simpler ones and multiple wires are replaced by mutli-conductor wires and so on.
It is usually during the reverse engineering process that a flaw is induced. I'm sure that the originally designed Pinto would have a best buy consumer rating but it was intended to be cheap enough for folks to buy as a 2nd car. The recalls come when the Company comes to the conclusion that it would be cheaper to pay for a modification or in the case of the Corvair, remove the vehicle from production altogether than to settle all the lawsuits. Welcome to America. This is how the manufacturing business is done and the overall goal is to sell a lot of product and get rich doing it.
Thanks for the word salad trying to defend Ford and the Pinto. AMC was in business for 33-34 years (http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/11/1111_defunct_auto_brands/2.htm)
From Mother Jones:
"Why did Sandra Gillespie's Ford Pinto catch fire so easily, seven years after Ford's Arjay Miller made his apparently sincere pronouncements—the same seven years that brought more safety improvements to cars than any other period in automotive history? An extensive investigation by Mother Jones over the past six months has found these answers:
Fighting strong competition from Volkswagen for the lucrative small-car market, the Ford Motor Company rushed the Pinto into production in much less than the usual time.
Ford engineers discovered in pre-production crash tests that rear-end collisions would rupture the Pinto's fuel system extremely easily.
Because assembly-line machinery was already tooled when engineers found this defect, top Ford officials decided to manufacture the car anyway—exploding gas tank and all—even though Ford owned the patent on a much safer gas tank.
For more than eight years afterwards, Ford successfully lobbied, with extraordinary vigor and some blatant lies, against a key government safety standard that would have forced the company to change the Pinto's fire-prone gas tank.
By conservative estimates Pinto crashes have caused 500 burn deaths to people who would not have been seriously injured if the car had not burst into flames. The figure could be as high as 900. Burning Pintos have become such an embarrassment to Ford that its advertising agency, J. Walter Thompson, dropped a line from the end of a radio spot that read "Pinto leaves you with that warm feeling."
Ford knows the Pinto is a firetrap, yet it has paid out millions to settle damage suits out of court, and it is prepared to spend millions more lobbying against safety standards. With a half million cars rolling off the assembly lines each year, Pinto is the biggest-selling subcompact in America, and the company's operating profit on the car is fantastic. Finally, in 1977, new Pinto models have incorporated a few minor alterations necessary to meet that federal standard Ford managed to hold off for eight years. Why did the company delay so long in making these minimal, inexpensive improvements?
Ford waited eight years because its internal "cost-benefit analysis," which places a dollar value on human life, said it wasn't profitable to make the changes sooner.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1977/09/pinto-madness
Yup and not a rain cloud in sight.
Take another after a heavy rain and you will see a distinctive brown streak with decorative, multicolored plastic debris in the Caribbean as it flows from the mouth of the Ozama.
That was after a rain. I'll post a photo during a rain.
greydread
01-25-2014, 02:48 PM
Thanks for the word salad trying to defend Ford and the Pinto. AMC was in business for 33-34 years (http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/11/1111_defunct_auto_brands/2.htm)
From Mother Jones:
"Why did Sandra Gillespie's Ford Pinto catch fire so easily, seven years after Ford's Arjay Miller made his apparently sincere pronouncements—the same seven years that brought more safety improvements to cars than any other period in automotive history? An extensive investigation by Mother Jones over the past six months has found these answers:
Fighting strong competition from Volkswagen for the lucrative small-car market, the Ford Motor Company rushed the Pinto into production in much less than the usual time.
Ford engineers discovered in pre-production crash tests that rear-end collisions would rupture the Pinto's fuel system extremely easily.
Because assembly-line machinery was already tooled when engineers found this defect, top Ford officials decided to manufacture the car anyway—exploding gas tank and all—even though Ford owned the patent on a much safer gas tank.
For more than eight years afterwards, Ford successfully lobbied, with extraordinary vigor and some blatant lies, against a key government safety standard that would have forced the company to change the Pinto's fire-prone gas tank.
By conservative estimates Pinto crashes have caused 500 burn deaths to people who would not have been seriously injured if the car had not burst into flames. The figure could be as high as 900. Burning Pintos have become such an embarrassment to Ford that its advertising agency, J. Walter Thompson, dropped a line from the end of a radio spot that read "Pinto leaves you with that warm feeling."
Ford knows the Pinto is a firetrap, yet it has paid out millions to settle damage suits out of court, and it is prepared to spend millions more lobbying against safety standards. With a half million cars rolling off the assembly lines each year, Pinto is the biggest-selling subcompact in America, and the company's operating profit on the car is fantastic. Finally, in 1977, new Pinto models have incorporated a few minor alterations necessary to meet that federal standard Ford managed to hold off for eight years. Why did the company delay so long in making these minimal, inexpensive improvements?
Ford waited eight years because its internal "cost-benefit analysis," which places a dollar value on human life, said it wasn't profitable to make the changes sooner.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1977/09/pinto-madness
In no way did I "try to defend" the auto manufacturers. I merely explained in layman terms exactly what your "Cut-and-Paste" article describes as the reverse engineering process and the companies' establishment of profit over safety as a product priority.
The cost-benefit analysis was concept provided for you in a much more concise manner than the Mother Jones article because I don't have a dog in the fight so no need for hyprbole. It simply is what it is.
Yup and not a rain cloud in sight.
Take another after a heavy rain and you will see a distinctive brown streak with decorative, multicolored plastic debris in the Caribbean as it flows from the mouth of the Ozama.
I wrote "after a rain", most times after a rain, there are no clouds. I guess your utter and unabashed hatred of the DR, Dominicans and anything remotely associated with the Dominican Republic, prevents you from reading what is written.
greydread
01-25-2014, 02:58 PM
I wrote "after a rain", most times after a rain, there are no clouds. I guess your utter and unabashed hatred of the DR, Dominicans and anything remotely associated with the Dominican Republic, prevents you from reading what is written.
Don't be silly. I don't hate the D.R. and I most assuredly don't hate Dominicans. What I do hate is Mothfuckas pissing off the roof and trying to convince me that it's raining.
greydread
01-25-2014, 03:04 PM
Read for yourself what Dominicans think of the Ozama river pollution travesty
http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Ozama-River-Pollution-Unreal-photos-132705.S.156535323
Ever read DiarioLibre?
http://www.diariolibre.com/destacada/2012/08/24/i349141_que-muera-ozama.html?t=foto&goback=%2Egde_132705_member_156535323#%21
Don't be afraid to click the links and READ (there are pictures as well). Knowledge and understanding are your friends.
sit for lunch at Adrian Tropical after a good rain you will be treated to the sight of a long brown patch entering the Caribbean and those "leaves and plants" that you see are the leaves and plants from a bottle and can tree which have fallen into a cesspool of untreated human and animal waste.
Photos I took at Adrian Tropical on the Malecon, Santo Domingo, about ten years ago (seems they have been in business for about ten years or longer).
greydread
01-25-2014, 03:06 PM
Photos I took at Adrian Tropical on the Malecon, Santo Domingo, about ten years ago (seems they have been in business for about ten years or longer).
Great. So I won't need to explain how to get there. :rofl:
camaro1257
01-25-2014, 03:14 PM
Question: Is it a floor or ceiling?
Answer: It depends on who is looking at it and what position they are in.
I may be wrong but I suspect that both GD and Jao are experiencing the same Dominican Republic but have different views because their perspectives are different after all one man's floor is another man's ceiling ...
greydread
01-25-2014, 03:21 PM
Question: Is it a floor or ceiling?
Answer: It depends on who is looking at it and what position they are in.
I may be wrong but I suspect that both GD and Jao are experiencing the same Dominican Republic but have different views because their perspectives are different after all one man's floor is another man's ceiling ...
You're right. It's probably because he's young and wide eyed and I'm old and jaded.
He sees the Wonderful Wizard of Oz in all his glory.
I see an old pervert wearing nothing but a trench coat and galoshes behind a curtain pulling levers and pushing buttons.
Too many times around the track, I guess.....:(
Don't be silly. I don't hate the D.R. and I most assuredly don't hate Dominicans. What I do hate is Mothfuckas pissing off the roof and trying to convince me that it's raining.
Thanks, I am a motherfucker trying to convince you its its rain and not piss.
I am not trying to convince of you anything, I don't think it is possible. Most of your posts you go out of your way to try and insult and degrade Dominicans and the DR (whether its regarding Dominican cigars or you saying there are basically no improvements in the DR that benefit the public or you implying there are no Dominican Businesses that have been open for a long time or you posting saying the workers at the Intercontinental V Centanario Hotel were something akin to fucking thieves, because they said you had to pay an extra guest fee). Facts be damned.
Question: Is it a floor or ceiling?
Answer: It depends on who is looking at it and what position they are in.
I may be wrong but I suspect that both GD and Jao are experiencing the same Dominican Republic but have different views because their perspectives are different after all one man's floor is another man's ceiling ...
Glass of water can be seen as half full or half empty, some people regarding the DR see that glass of water as containing venom, that will blind and harm you just by looking at it.
Obviously some people, need to insult and hate someone or something, to make them feel better.
You're right. It's probably because he's young and wide eyed and I'm old and jaded.
He sees the Wonderful Wizard of Oz in all his glory.
I see an old pervert wearing nothing but a trench coat and galoshes behind a curtain pulling levers and pushing buttons.
Too many times around the track, I guess.....:(
I always post where and when I will in the Dom. Rep., anytime you can meet me. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO TRY AND INSULT ME TO MY FACE, BE A FUCKING MAN.
greydread
01-25-2014, 03:47 PM
Thanks, I am a motherfucker trying to convince you its its rain and not piss.
I am not trying to convince of you anything, I don't think it is possible. Most of your posts you go out of your way to try and insult and degrade Dominicans and the DR (whether its regarding Dominican cigars or you saying there are basically no improvements in the DR that benefit the public or you implying there are no Dominican Businesses that have been open for a long time or you posting saying the workers at the Intercontinental V Centanario Hotel were something akin to fucking thieves, because they said you had to pay an extra guest fee). Facts be damned.
I only use fact. Most of it borne of 1st hand experiences.
I have never "degraded Dominicans". I don't know where you got that whacky idea. I call shit exactly like I see it and I LOVE Dominican cigars, it's just a gotdaam shame I can get them cheaper in DC than I can in Santo Domingo and for every cigar seller in the D.R. there are a score of cigar hustlers trying to sell some bullshit as the "real thing" and I've already told you how much I hate that.
You didn't read the links which I provided did you? They back my statements up 100% and there are thousands more up to and including the listing of "Transitional Issues" of La Republica in the CIA World Fact Book.
Transnational Issues ::Dominican Republic (javascript:void();)
Disputes - international (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/docs/notesanddefs.html?fieldkey=2070&alphaletter=D&term=Disputes - international):
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/graphics/field_listing_on.gif (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2070.html#dr)
Haitian migrants cross the porous border into the Dominican Republic to find work; illegal migrants from the Dominican Republic cross the Mona Passage each year to Puerto Rico to find better work
Illicit drugs: (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/docs/notesanddefs.html?fieldkey=2086&alphaletter=I&term=Illicit drugs)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/graphics/field_listing_on.gif (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2086.html#dr)
transshipment point for South American drugs destined for the US and Europe; has become a transshipment point for ecstasy from the Netherlands and Belgium destined for US and Canada; substantial money laundering activity in particular by Colombian narcotics traffickers; significant amphetamine consumption
You, trying to tell us all how nicety-nice the D.R. has become does NOTHING to help the Dominican People because it is, simply put, a lie which is told to the world by the wolves who own all the power in this Banana Republic while they intentionally keep their population without the essentials of opportunity. The problem isn't education or malnutrition or disease or crime and disorder. Those are the symptoms The PROBLEM is POVERTY which is the root cause of those symptoms mentioned and rather than hide this problem by shielding the view of AI tourists with walls and gates they should reinvest some of the profits to provide the essentials of a civilized society, I have named them before.
Instead, the Dominican Gentry who own just about all the land and the Politicians, Police and Military Authorities who they've appointed for the sole purpose of keeping the powerful in power might just realize that they could have a much more productive economy if they would invest in the lives of their own citizens. Until then there will be garbage and raw sewage floating and high crime and drugs and hordes of functionally illiterate trapped on the Island of Dr. Moreau, awaiting some soft hearted foreigner to take them out of poverty and despair.
BTW,
YOU are the Guy who was ecstatic about the D.R. Murder Rate dropping 10% (from "Oh my fucking god" down to "OMG") while the very same sentence announced that in 2012, the same year Rapes had gone up by a whopping 57% and armed robbery, theft and fraud also increased by double digits.
There went your credibility in this debate.
greydread
01-25-2014, 03:51 PM
I always post where and when I will in the Dom. Rep., anytime you can meet me. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO TRY AND INSULT ME TO MY FACE, BE A FUCKING MAN.
I haven't insulted you, Sonny. I have instructed you.
When YOU become a Man you will understand the difference.
Photos I took in the last three years.
Greydread, if you can convince people like yourself, not to travel to the Dominican Republic, please continue to do so. The DR doesn't need people like you and it never will.
greydread
01-25-2014, 05:37 PM
Photos I took in the last three years.
Greydread, if you can convince people like yourself, not to travel to the Dominican Republic, please continue to do so. The DR doesn't need people like you and it never will.
http://foxdonut.kikaimegami.com/Random%20Forum%20Shit/Gifs/Read%20the%20thread.gif
Okay, I have now come to the conclusion that you have a mental problem.
I've been on this site for 7 years and in that time I've posted dozens of reports in different levels for different content. Most contained pictures. Pictures of everything, Chicas, food, places and people and other than one thread about Sint Maarten, one from Aruba and a few from Jamaica they were ALL of the DOZENS of trips that I've made to the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC during this time. If you did some research you would understand not only how much I love the place but WHY. I put up entire threads on the National Zoo and Botanical gardens and beaches all along the South Coast as well as night clubs, cigar bars and even some Chica Casas.
I appreciate some of your posts because they contain pictures of places where I've been and bring back fond memories but I am beginning to detect an agenda coming out of your postings and it gives an insincere impression on occasion and your uber-defensiveness about my pointing that out is a little self incriminating at this point.
Take that "insult-me-to-my-face" fake Clint Eastwood bullshit of yours. It's what People revert to when their points are rendered invalid by fact when they're not mature enough to handle being corrected. I spent 17 years in uniform, of that 9 years on a combat crew after growing up in a gladiator factory and any fear I ever had got shitted out a long time ago so your inferred threats are useless to you and you'll just have to admit that the Dominican Republic that we both love so well, especially it's Capitol city is a noisy, dirty, smelly place with wonderful wonders and horrible tragedies to behold.
All you lost here was an argument. I'd advise you to cut your losses at that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvP3kogA_PQ
Greydread, if you can convince people like yourself, not to travel to the Dominican Republic, please continue to do so.
And PS Greydread, maybe you could start a thread "The Perfect Monger Location". A place with perfectly pure air, perfectly pure water, great weather all the time, free to travel to, where the women come in all shapes, sizes and colors and all have PhDs from Stanford University and the men all have multiple PhDs from Harvard, Yale and Princeton. Where there is no crime and all the women will have sex with you for free, all day long, as much as you want. Where the food is always delicious and free and the beverages are always excellent and free. Where there is never any garbage. Where, the shit and piss that comes out of people's bodies there, magically evaporates into thin air. And of course it will have great factories making the best products, which will be available for free and the factories will never pollute or use any natural resources. And where everyone lives in a 130 million dollar residence.
PSS: I'll never read that thread, I'll continue to go the DR, because I Love It and it is Perfect for me.
greydread
01-25-2014, 06:19 PM
And PS Greydread, maybe you could start a thread "The Perfect Monger Location". A place with perfectly pure air, perfectly pure water, great weather all the time, free to travel to, where the women come in all shapes, sizes and colors and all have PhDs from Stanford University and the men all have multiple PhDs from Harvard, Yale and Princeton. Where there is no crime and all the women will have sex with you for free, all day long, as much as you want. Where the food is always delicious and free and the beverages are always excellent and free. Where there is never any garbage. Where, the shit and piss that comes out of people's bodies there, magically evaporates into thin air. And of course it will have great factories making the best products, which will be available for free and the factories will never pollute or use any natural resources. And where everyone lives in a 130 million dollar residence.
PSS: I'll never read that thread, I'll continue to go the DR, because I Love It and it is Perfect for me.
Overreact much?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8vN1H5ZGhzc/UP8G0JebZjI/AAAAAAAAGuI/i_Uk3Db4Olo/s1600/asian-crying.gif
Sheesh!
http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad173/cod-ghost-samuel/1526187_10203085942979860_1333882355_n_zps7721c45c.jpg (http://s933.photobucket.com/user/cod-ghost-samuel/media/1526187_10203085942979860_1333882355_n_zps7721c45c.jpg.html)
Overreact much?
Click to see pic (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8vN1H5ZGhzc/UP8G0JebZjI/AAAAAAAAGuI/i_Uk3Db4Olo/s1600/asian-crying.gif)
Sheesh!
But seriously guys just let it go.
Jao you do tend to overreact just let it go. Greydread please don't drive people to drink.
EVERYBODY JUST CHILL.
In the long run only 2 things really matter in this world.
http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad173/cod-ghost-samuel/1554371_699289633424936_279487817_n_zpse599a7b3.jpg (http://s933.photobucket.com/user/cod-ghost-samuel/media/1554371_699289633424936_279487817_n_zpse599a7b3.jpg.html)
greydread
01-25-2014, 08:07 PM
Thanks for the entertainment anyway and thanks to G'dead for some interesting links (I did read them)
Thanks, Snoozer for the kind words. The thing that separates this site from others like it is that most of the Guys I've shared thought with and met in person from ISOC aren't that different from me. Most bust their humps week in and week out and reward themselves with infrequent vacations to the places where we go. The intel shared here is a phenomenal resource and many members branch out to visit new towns and new countries on the strength of the feedback from other members and are seldom disappointed when they get there. Little details like where to stay, where to eat, what to look for and what to look out for are plentiful in these threads and any member can get enough research from them to figure out what suits them through research, avoiding time and money wasted on trial and error.
One of the lessons from my Dominican travels stands out more than those from other countries and I've been to quite a few. It is the last place any of us ever want to be and think "I got this". It's the one place where I never bother with an itinerary because just like the sand at the beaches, everything is changing all the time. I've seen businesses come and go in short spans of time and I've seen some come back. I've seen People just not be there after the 6 week span in between trips. Some disappear to Gringolandia (male and female, just like that) and some to the great beyond at less than half my age.
Life in the Dominican Republic is so widely and wildly celebrated in the D.R. because life in the D.R. is hard and short. In early trips I struggled to understand why emotions and passions there go unbridled and tomorrow doesn't seem to be all that big a priority in average People's lives and I came to the understanding that the phrase "Nobody is promised tomorrow" applies there more than it does in many other places and that is the reason why I learned to be more careful who I travel there with because many never ask the questions that I did, nor do they care and in the D.R. that is a dangerous attitude.
BTW, I ain't "dead" yet. Still dread.
A peace offering is always well received...
http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad173/cod-ghost-samuel/DSC05230_zps231896f4.jpg (http://s933.photobucket.com/user/cod-ghost-samuel/media/DSC05230_zps231896f4.jpg.html)
Thanks to everyone for making this a good day...
JD426
01-25-2014, 08:39 PM
Jao, you need to take a step back and try to absorb what Grey is trying to convery to you. his way..
I think he was initially trying to use a Little HUMOR, but you took it as an insult.
I know I learned a couple things just now from this thread alone.. No shame in that, is there ?
So Dont take it personal. Just read, comprehend and learn some new stuff.. Open your eyes to what other people already Learned and KNOW , and you will be a better person for it.
And Im not saying that to kiss Greys ass.. Its just a fact though that he knows what the fuck he is talking about.
Its pretty hard to prove him wrong..
Some of us have tried.. LOL
Do you remember the Group dance show they used to put on at Lapsus ? Chicas would be dressed in those Cheezy but fun Nurses or Fireman outfits. and then you pick one to come to your table after the group is finished and she would give you the Lapdance of a lifetime, then you could do take out .... God, I miss that place... the waiter was a crooked little fucker but they always would treat you like VIP in there.
Im guessing you probably had a chance to hit Remington Palace also back then ?
That Pool shot of the Jaragua.. Nice.. It was a bitch sneaking the girls in though at the Jaragua, the towers were almost impossible, the Garden units in the back not so bad. Hit or miss .
The Melia was damn near impossible though..
What time of year did you usually go ? Hope you hit the Merangue Festivals at end of July, that was the shit back then...
I don't have a favorite month to travel to Dominican Republic (on my next trip in March, I'll use the Westchester Airport, N.Y. for the first time, to travel to the D.R.). Holiday season is nice in the D.R. with the lights.
There was a Brugal Merengue Festival in Plaza Juan Barón, Santo Domingo. I was in Santo Domingo when there was a concert at that Plaza.
Not related to your post, I recently had excellent avocados from the Dominican Republic, here in N.Y. (Herculito song by the Dominican band Aguakate, has a clever play on words). Love the mangos (every year a mango festival in Baní) and the pineapple and the fruit shakes (papaya), in the Dominican Republic. And I enjoy smoking Dominican cigars.
I have swum in the Hudson River (http://www.riverkeeper.org/) it was fun and the water was good. My father, when he was young used to swim in the East River off of what is today the Franklin D. Roosevelt East River Drive, Manhattan. People kayak and stand up paddle board in the Hudson River from places in lower Manhattan. From Manhattan Kayak Company website, http://manhattankayak.com/ "Currently, the lower Hudson River has-been called 'the cleanest urban waterway in the country.' DEP Initiatives, starting back in the 1970's, Have continued to Improve and monitor the water quality in and around New York City. You can actually check on the latest water quality results at Riverkeeper." Some of the most expensive real estate in the United States is along the Hudson River, with beautiful homes, apartments and hotels. Bronx River cleanup and restoration; http://bronxriver.org/
The Rio Ozama will get there, http://www.ozamard.org/p/ecotour.html and http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias/2014/01/01/i417166_nuevos-mega-proyectos-urbanos-imponen-saneamiento-del-ozama.html And also from Diaro Libre (translated by Google) "With the arrival of the rains in May and its neighbor the hurricane season, lilacs grow wild throughout the course of the Ozama River, charge transport mobility and left quietly through the waters to be deposited in the brackish reaches of piélago Caribbean. As shown in the beautiful photograph of Karla Khouri, lilacs seem to go in pursuit of the freighter that goes into the deep sea. They will create the lilacs? Our Sargasso Sea? In some parts of the river are so dense that the boys walk on them while fishing." http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias/2010/06/02/i247786_mural-las-lilas-del-ozama-llegan-mar.html
Diario Libre's first edition was in the year 1870. Listin Diario began in 1889 and has been in business for over 100 years, Dominican newspaper. Brugal Company began in 1888 (last I checked a British company owned about 60% of Brugal). Barcelo (BEICA) was founded in 1930 in the Dominican Republic. Grupo León Jimenes from 1903. Presidente beer introduced in 1935. BanReservas Bank from 1941.
I thank the owner of this site immensely for providing this forum to exchange ideas. And a belated Happy Birthday to Martin Luther King, Jr. who believed in a Dream for a better life for people on this planet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCClu3iTYIU
(some photos I took and some from the internet)
JD426
01-27-2014, 01:47 PM
Im guessing that is Dalia in the left...
A Dominicana Friend is friends with her since childhood.. I want to meet her one day just for a Pic.. She is a sweetheart I hear.
http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=93779&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1390843995 (http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=93779&d=1390843995)
MrHappy
01-27-2014, 02:15 PM
Im guessing that is Dalia in the left...
A Dominicana Friend is friends with her since childhood.. I want to meet her one day just for a Pic.. She is a sweetheart I hear.
(http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=93779&d=1390843995)Click to see pic (http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=93779&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1390843995)
What did you do, post a post about the shows at lapsus then blow it away??
I wanted to tell you that you missed the shows at the Le Petite Chateau, where there was always at least 70-80 girls that would dance on stage almost like a broadway show. You could see your potential sweetie dancing away in next to nothing, and then enjoy a dinner from the buffet before you took her for the night.
There were also shows in Herminias every night, in Villa Juana. Not to be missed. Those wild west days are long gone.
JD426
01-27-2014, 02:55 PM
What did you do, post a post about the shows at lapsus then blow it away??
I wanted to tell you that you missed the shows at the Le Petite Chateau, where there was always at least 70-80 girls that would dance on stage almost like a broadway show. You could see your potential sweetie dancing away in next to nothing, and then enjoy a dinner from the buffet before you took her for the night.
There were also shows in Herminias every night, in Villa Juana. Not to be missed. Those wild west days are long gone.
I dont know what you mean by blowing Lapsus away ?. are u referring to post # 20 ?
I miss the Wild West Days but I only got a brief taste, you lived through it all and saw it all.. Dammnnn..
If I discovered the DR like 20 -25 + years ago in my 20's - 30's i dont even know where I would be today. Probably would have fucked myself to death..
also ... I never even heard of Le Petite Chateau ..what years was this ? before I kick myself in the ass, please tell me it was like way before 1999.
MrHappy
01-27-2014, 04:24 PM
I dont know what you mean by blowing Lapsus away ?. are u referring to post # 20 ?
I miss the Wild West Days but I only got a brief taste, you lived through it all and saw it all.. Dammnnn..
If I discovered the DR like 20 -25 + years ago in my 20's - 30's i dont even know where I would be today. Probably would have fucked myself to death..
also ... I never even heard of Le Petite Chateau ..what years was this ? before I kick myself in the ass, please tell me it was like way before 1999.
Yeah. back in the seventies. It and the other bar was torn down to make room for more cabanas. Herminias was torn down and turned into a parking lot.
MrHappy
01-27-2014, 04:26 PM
Yeah. back in the seventies. It and the other bar was torn down to make room for more cabanas. Herminias was torn down and turned into a parking lot.
By the way.. worst kept secret. Another Hard Rock Cafe is going to open on the 4th floor of Blue Mall. That will inject some life into the place.
whynotme
01-27-2014, 06:13 PM
Im guessing that is Dalia in the left...
A Dominicana Friend is friends with her since childhood.. I want to meet her one day just for a Pic.. She is a sweetheart I hear.
Click to see pic (http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=93779&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1390843995)
http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=93779&d=1390843995
Westy
01-28-2014, 12:18 AM
By the way.. worst kept secret. Another Hard Rock Cafe is going to open on the 4th floor of Blue Mall. That will inject some life into the place.
Yeah, sure ...
It reminds me of the last "Hard Rock Cafe" I saw outside of the USA. In Lima, Peru ... one of the focal points of the "Larcomar" shopping/dining/entertainment complex, in Miraflores, built up between the Marriott Stellaris hotel and the Pacific cliffs.
They were building it during my first visit in 1997. It was complete - and rockin' - in 1999. In 2004, the erstwhile "Hard Rock Cafe" was a crafts-store.
Good luck to the promised Hard Rock Cafe in Santo Domingo. They're going to need all the luck they can get.
greydread
01-28-2014, 09:20 AM
By the way.. worst kept secret. Another Hard Rock Cafe is going to open on the 4th floor of Blue Mall. That will inject some life into the place.
Let me get this straight....they're going to maintain the El Conde location and open Hard Rock Café Sto Dgo #2 what? less than 3 mi. away like Dominicans can't get enough $18 sandwiches and $6 beers? Dafuq?
MrHappy
01-28-2014, 09:38 AM
Let me get this straight....they're going to maintain the El Conde location and open Hard Rock Café Sto Dgo #2 what? less than 3 mi. away like Dominicans can't get enough $18 sandwiches and $6 beers? Dafuq?
Same thing I said. I keep saying, these folks know something we don't. There's is no less than 4 major hotels(Including the JW Marriot in Blue Mall) being built within a few blocks of each other in this area. 5 big mega malls in the same area.
These guys don't just say, "Hey, let's build a hotel here." They don't throw away money for the hell of it.
There are all kinds of construction projects underway all around the city. Lots of them don't even get any publicity. You've got the Financial Center of the Americas.. The uber expensive water park in Juan Dolio.... The Pinewood movie studios.... There are upper middle class - luxury apartments available up the yin yang, most within walking distance to the social center.
It's been said many times before.. Dominicans with money want only the best of everything. There are more and more of them now, and they are a force that is moving things. Just look at any of the social sites. Look at the FB page of any of the new malls. I can guarantee this is NOT just some casual occurrence. They want their own Rodeo Drive.
Something in the near future is going to tie all of this together, wait and see.
rahsta
01-28-2014, 01:48 PM
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Caswell-Massey in Newport RI opened in 1752
Bakers's Chocolate was founded in 1765, now owned by Kraft
Ames tool company was founded in 1774 now owned by Griffon Mgmt. and Holding Co. Camp Hill PA
Jim Beam (VA,KY) sold their 1st barrel of whiskey in 1795 and survived prohibition
Crane Paper Co (MA) has been in business since 1799 and has supplied paper for the U S Treasury since 1879
DuPont (DE) has been in business since 1802
Colgate started in NYC in 1806
Pfaltzgraff got started in 1811 and is now part of Lifetime Brands
All of the above are still viable brands and all you've got is two Dominican hotels? How many times has the DR changed ownership since the newest of these companies has been in business?
None of that speaks to the point that the Dominican Republic is a HORRIBLE business environment and all it's going to take is one well publicized gun battle between drug lords to rip the asshole out of the tourism industry (see Mexico) and eliminate half the country's economy in about a day. They think they're poor now? They'll be eating Soylent Green after that shit happens!
Comparing hotels to business that create and produce is a no win situation.
greydread
01-28-2014, 02:15 PM
Same thing I said. I keep saying, these folks know something we don't. There's is no less than 4 major hotels(Including the JW Marriot in Blue Mall) being built within a few blocks of each other in this area. 5 big mega malls in the same area.
These guys don't just say, "Hey, let's build a hotel here." They don't throw away money for the hell of it.
There are all kinds of construction projects underway all around the city. Lots of them don't even get any publicity. You've got the Financial Center of the Americas.. The uber expensive water park in Juan Dolio.... The Pinewood movie studios.... There are upper middle class - luxury apartments available up the yin yang, most within walking distance to the social center.
It's been said many times before.. Dominicans with money want only the best of everything. There are more and more of them now, and they are a force that is moving things. Just look at any of the social sites. Look at the FB page of any of the new malls. I can guarantee this is NOT just some casual occurrence. They want their own Rodeo Drive.
Something in the near future is going to tie all of this together, wait and see.
Whatever will happen, the die is already cast and the winners and losers have been chosen.
Or not. Disney had these great big plans to build just South of DC at National Harbor. Now they're out, MGM Grand is in and the nations capitol will be ringed by fully functional casinos at the visitor/ commerce centers and the gentry are moving back into the heart of the city to ride the new trollies and the crack houses from the 80's are the multi million dollar Capitol Hill (extended) town homes of the twenty-teens and beyond with every possible amenity just a finger snap away.
mrblackluv
01-28-2014, 10:19 PM
Same thing I said. I keep saying, these folks know something we don't. There's is no less than 4 major hotels(Including the JW Marriot in Blue Mall) being built within a few blocks of each other in this area. 5 big mega malls in the same area.
These guys don't just say, "Hey, let's build a hotel here." They don't throw away money for the hell of it.
There are all kinds of construction projects underway all around the city. Lots of them don't even get any publicity. You've got the Financial Center of the Americas.. The uber expensive water park in Juan Dolio.... The Pinewood movie studios.... There are upper middle class - luxury apartments available up the yin yang, most within walking distance to the social center.
It's been said many times before.. Dominicans with money want only the best of everything. There are more and more of them now, and they are a force that is moving things. Just look at any of the social sites. Look at the FB page of any of the new malls. I can guarantee this is NOT just some casual occurrence. They want their own Rodeo Drive.
Something in the near future is going to tie all of this together, wait and see.
It kinda makes sense if you think about it...
I usually stay in this area when in SD.
There's money in that area...all those luxury buildings and condos.
I watch the people coming and going from Golds Gym...lots of expensive cars.
I marveled at a bike shop...(bicycles) with $400 -$600 treks and what not.
I always wondered why there wasn't a nice Hotel within walking distance of any of these malls. I would stay there for the right price (and if it was chica friendly)..lol
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