09/2014 - Armando Casciati, (Classicos) Resident card nullified by immigration..

[steviewonder]

First it was Bobby from Rumba, now this....

Google translated.... http://www.ultimodiario.com/verNoticias.aspx?Id=11316

PUERTO PLATA Big surprise caused in this province the news of the arrest of businessman Armando Casciati with significant investments in the town of Sosua.

According to information from sources full credit Casciati was invited to go through the offices of the tax attorney licensed in Puerto Plata Núñez Alba, where upon arrival he was arrested by police and dela General Immigration effective.
However, Armando Casciati had all his documentation in order, so that the reasons for his arrest are not explained by migration. :mad:

Puerto Plata journalistic sources have indicated that he was moved to Santo Domingo from where he would be deported to Italy, through a flight scheduled to leave from La Romana, today at 8pm. :confused:

According to versions that have circulated in this city, it is said that the businessman and artist, would be accused of white slavery (trafficking) justify his deportation from the country.:eek:
The decision of the authorities, has generated an atmosphere of strangeness and questioning the investment climate in the country to foreign investors who make large investments and are then deported on the grounds of trafficking, leaving behind millions dollars invested in legal businesses related to tourism and real estate industry in the region.
ARMANDO Casciati : Among the investments listed Armando Casciati in Sosúa Sosúa Bay's flagship hotel, Sosua By the Convention Center, which features a casino owned by another company, fitness room and Conveciones and commercial establishments. Also Merengue Bar, and Club 59 D'Clásico, among other investments.
He has developed an extensive career with numerous exhibitions of his work both at home and abroad. Casciati hails from Milan Italy, but living in the DR for over 25 years with his family where he settled ago.

:idea2: Someone is either trying to increase their payoff, or looking at owning the only disco in Sousa :wink:, so the saga continues...

[michel3275]

First it was Bobby from Rumba, now this....

Google translated.... http://www.ultimodiario.com/verNoticias.aspx?Id=11316

PUERTO PLATA Big surprise caused in this province the news of the arrest of businessman Armando Casciati with significant investments in the town of Sosua.

According to information from sources full credit Casciati was invited to go through the offices of the tax attorney licensed in Puerto Plata Núñez Alba, where upon arrival he was arrested by police and dela General Immigration effective.
However, Armando Casciati had all his documentation in order, so that the reasons for his arrest are not explained by migration. :mad:

Puerto Plata journalistic sources have indicated that he was moved to Santo Domingo from where he would be deported to Italy, through a flight scheduled to leave from La Romana, today at 8pm. :confused:

According to versions that have circulated in this city, it is said that the businessman and artist, would be accused of white slavery (trafficking) justify his deportation from the country.:eek:
The decision of the authorities, has generated an atmosphere of strangeness and questioning the investment climate in the country to foreign investors who make large investments and are then deported on the grounds of trafficking, leaving behind millions dollars invested in legal businesses related to tourism and real estate industry in the region.
ARMANDO Casciati : Among the investments listed Armando Casciati in Sosúa Sosúa Bay's flagship hotel, Sosua By the Convention Center, which features a casino owned by another company, fitness room and Conveciones and commercial establishments. Also Merengue Bar, and Club 59 D'Clásico, among other investments.
He has developed an extensive career with numerous exhibitions of his work both at home and abroad. Casciati hails from Milan Italy, but living in the DR for over 25 years with his family where he settled ago.

:idea2: Someone is either trying to increase their payoff, or looking at owning the only disco in Sousa :wink:, so the saga continues...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWJaN9GR98Q

Its explained very clearly on this video that they are gonna deport every foreigner thats has a business that profits from prostitution.
Lots of things are said and are very clear in this speach. They are targeting foreigners and deportation is the easiest and fastest way to achieve their goal.

Also talking about one german deported and 2 mores to be deported soon.

[Seville]

EVERY business in Sosua profits from the prostitution here; from the bars to the restaurants to the hotels and the Playero as well.

[Apos]

The video was posted mid June so the timing is interesting too.

[deezl]

EVERY business in Sosua profits from the prostitution here; from the bars to the restaurants to the hotels and the Playero as well.

they make money selling stuff to whores and the gringos who love them, they don't exist to draw those gringos and whores together as the bars/clubs on the strip do.

And most of those businesses are Dominican-owned. It's one thing to quietly profit from your own 'natural resources', another thing for some foreigner to come in and do it loudly (or worse yet - successfully).

[deezl]

Also, afaik, Bobby @ Rumba was never actually charged with anything and no charges were pending. He was booted on nothing more than an overstayed visa (despite news reports to the contrary). He can go back whenever he wants, he just doesn't really want to.

[michel3275]

The prosecutor says clearly that deportation is the fastest and easiest way to achieve their goal. That has a country they have the right to accept immigrants or not, and if they are profiting from the exploitation of their women, they can go back to their countries.
Its very clear that they will not need any other motives to continue what they have started.

[partypoooper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWJaN9GR98Q

Its explained very clearly on this video that they are gonna deport every foreigner thats has a business that profits from prostitution.
Lots of things are said and are very clear in this speach. They are targeting foreigners and deportation is the easiest and fastest way to achieve their goal.

Also talking about one german deported and 2 mores to be deported soon.

Tell me the names of the other business owners soon to be deported.

[partypoooper]

Who is next?

Rockys Rick?

Fat Herman?

Wilfred??

Are the non all inclusive tourists...the new terrorist?

[LJDMV]

I hope not...

[Chief Papi Lindo]

its funny that all of the pple who he has cheated, robbed and killed, he gets deported on what seems to be bullshit. D.R. really needs to straighten out their politics because at the end of the day, you reap what you sew. i have said it b4, but notice all of the new construction going on in Sosua for these high end condos, etc. There will be new schools to educate the foreigners who buy these establishments as well....i just wonder how will the 'enforcement' trickle down to the common weekend warrior. will they arrest you if your hat is turned backwards?.....pants saggin?...plant drugs on us? wear a wife beater? drink Hennessy? whats next? this is the same question i asked in the other situation, its one thing today, but WHATS NEXT? we as foreigners really need to be mindful of that question. whts going to happen to the other hotel owners/leasers. best believe there will be another 180 degree turn.

[rahsta]

its funny that all of the pple who he has cheated, robbed and killed, he gets deported on what seems to be bullshit. D.R. really needs to straighten out their politics because at the end of the day, you reap what you sew. i have said it b4, but notice all of the new construction going on in Sosua for these high end condos, etc. There will be new schools to educate the foreigners who buy these establishments as well....i just wonder how will the 'enforcement' trickle down to the common weekend warrior. will they arrest you if your hat is turned backwards?.....pants saggin?...plant drugs on us? wear a wife beater? drink Hennessy? whats next? this is the same question i asked in the other situation, its one thing today, but WHATS NEXT? we as foreigners really need to be mindful of that question. whts going to happen to the other hotel owners/leasers. best believe there will be another 180 degree turn.

They are bitting the hands that feed them. Sosua will be a ghost town in a few years. People in that town, ribs will start to touch soon enough.

[SeaWeed]

Who is next?

Rockys Rick?

Fat Herman?

Wilfred??

Are the non all inclusive tourists...the new terrorist?

Dquick..............or some foreginer that owns a bar where a lot of Puta's hangout..........

the Mayor is getting off on this chit.....she's planning on making sure she can say she was the one who cleaned up Sosua in her reelection
but when Sosua becomes a ghost town........cause the big developers never show up.......
and businesses are boarded up.....and people are starving.....she will be the one gone.....trust mi

[Chief Papi Lindo]

i wonder will Armondo put a price on some of the "Officials" heads. He had POWER, Money, real estate and bitches, but now they just take that away from him for basically nothing? I dont know anything about that guy but one has to wonder will he call some "shots" from Italy??? You cant take a man out of his heaven and think he is not going to make a move too...let the games begin..CHECKMATE!

[Malo]

i wonder will Armondo put a price on some of the "Officials" heads. He had POWER, Money, real estate and bitches, but now they just take that away from him for basically nothing? I dont know anything about that guy but one has to wonder will he call some "shots" from Italy??? You cant take a man out of his heaven and think he is not going to make a move too...let the games begin..CHECKMATE!

Do you think?

[Chief Papi Lindo]

Do you think?

hell..i dont know...sumn to think about..

[captain69]

You can be sure Armando's partner ain't crying.

[deezl]

i wonder will Armondo put a price on some of the "Officials" heads. He had POWER, Money, real estate and bitches, but now they just take that away from him for basically nothing? I dont know anything about that guy but one has to wonder will he call some "shots" from Italy??? You cant take a man out of his heaven and think he is not going to make a move too...let the games begin..CHECKMATE!

otoh, this is also the same guy who owned the only two (large!) hotels in town with a view over the east side of playa sosua and basically let them rot away. maybe he had power and money by Sosua standards, but as a whole? Not so sure about that.

I heard he made his money from a diaper factory. Not exactly Don Vito Corleone.

[captain69]

Who's next? Dominguez Brito mentions 2 more Germans... Peter is German and Ad is Dutch, but could be confused with a German....just saying...

[Chief Papi Lindo]

otoh, this is also the same guy who owned the only two (large!) hotels in town with a view over the east side of playa sosua and basically let them rot away. maybe he had power and money by Sosua standards, but as a whole? Not so sure about that.

I heard he made his money from a diaper factory. Not exactly Don Vito Corleone.

when i first went to Sosua the rumor was that he moved from Panama with millions of bux...

[deezl]

when i first went to Sosua the rumor was that he moved from Panama with millions of bux...

and probably left the DR with a few million less...

[elmudo]

sooo anyone on the ground with any intel on what's happening in Rumba, Classicos over the past few days? still packed with chicas and mongers or has this guy's arrest made things slow down a bit?

[rahsta]

sooo anyone on the ground with any intel on what's happening in Rumba, Classicos over the past few days? still packed with chicas and mongers or has this guy's arrest made things slow down a bit?

A friend of mines is in Sosua now. He said the streets on Saturday were full of chicas. He said the lot thats next to Rumbas was full of people. Way more girls than guys.

[Señor JDR of Medellin]

A friend of mines is in Sosua now. He said the streets on Saturday were full of chicas. He said the lot thats next to Rumbas was full of people. Way more girls than guys.

What else do all these chicas have left, to make money. Not many options out there.

[elmudo]

What else do all these chicas have left, to make money. Not many options out there.

you mean this booming tourism industry that's about to hit Sosua won't provide stable employment for these chicas and their chulos? :corky:

[Señor JDR of Medellin]

you mean this booming tourism industry that's about to hit Sosua won't provide stable employment for these chicas and their chulos? :corky:

Sure, all of them will be happy working 6 days a week for 5,500 a month. How long will it take to get a new cell phone?

[tgunz]

Sure, all of them will be happy working 6 days a week for 5,500 a month. How long will it take to get a new cell phone?

There will be abundance of cell, phones , camera s ect. All stolen of course. But an abundance none the less..

[Señor JDR of Medellin]

There will be abundance of cell, phones , camera s ect. All stolen of course. But an abundance none the less..

They all had a taste of whats out there in the world. Even if there were 100% employment, those chicas would still be for sale.

[SeaWeed]

There will be abundance of cell, phones , camera s ect. All stolen of course. But an abundance none the less..
cellies are a very hot item in paradise....and it's amazing how the locals can come up with $100US-$200US for a used smartphone cellie......
they will go without food....guys go without pussy.......but not der cellies....they have to have a cellie......and they break dem right and left......trust mi on this one

[The Sage]

My guess is the upper 30% in looks are making on average 15k a week. The upper 5% can probably pull down 20k from Thursday to Sunday. Even the chicks in the 40-70% bracket could probably make 20k a month. No, those girls are not prepared to earn an average salary.



They all had a taste of whats out there in the world. Even if there were 100% employment, those chicas would still be for sale.

[Señor JDR of Medellin]

My guess is the upper 30% in looks are making on average 15k a week. The upper 5% can probably pull down 20k from Thursday to Sunday. Even the chicks in the 40-70% bracket could probably make 20k a month. No, those girls are not prepared to earn an average salary.

That is what I am saying, there is no going back.

[Chief Papi Lindo]

They all had a taste of whats out there in the world. Even if there were 100% employment, those chicas would still be for sale.

Cabanas will always be full...

[The Sage]

My take is that if big spender traffic does drop many of the prima donnas there today will move to the internet or go hoe overseas. They will be replaced in time by chicas who are willing to take less. I doubt quality will drop much because even at reduced prices hoeing pays 3x as much as a regular job if they can find one. Dropping into Sosua and making only 10k from Thursday-Sunday is still a windfall for chicks not a accostomed to making more. No need to get excited though. I think prices will settle at 1.5k ST for all, but the real stars. I really can't see it getting any cheaper than that; however, quailty should be better overall so you'll get more for your money.

[camaro1257]

My take is that if big spender traffic does drop many of the prima donnas there today will move to the internet or go hoe overseas. They will be replaced in time by chicas who are willing to take less. I doubt quality will drop much because even at reduced prices hoeing pays 3x as much as a regular job if they can find one. Dropping into Sosua and making only 10k from Thursday-Sunday is still a windfall for chicks not a accostomed to making more. No need to get excited though. I think prices will settle at 1.5k ST for all, but the real stars. I really can't see it getting any cheaper than that; however, quailty should be better overall so you'll get more for your money.

Sage = Putoligist...:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[tgunz]

cellies are a very hot item in paradise....and it's amazing how the locals can come up with $100US-$200US for a used smartphone cellie......
they will go without food....guys go without pussy.......but not der cellies....they have to have a cellie......and they break dem right and left......trust mi on this one

Same thing here.. people in the projects on welafare.. have the best phones, Jordans , true religion jeans, and 300 belts. But sleep on a matress on the floor and keep thier clothes in plastic bins
Must be nice to be a secret agent. Greydread, 009, spy/manwhore:corky::rofl:

[tgunz]

Same thing here.. people in the projects on welafare.. have the best phones, Jordans , true religion jeans, and 300 belts. But sleep on a matress on the floor and keep thier clothes in plastic bins

How the hell did that happen?? I didn't put that greydread thing there

[BrooklynBeas]

otoh, this is also the same guy who owned the only two (large!) hotels in town with a view over the east side of playa sosua and basically let them rot away. maybe he had power and money by Sosua standards, but as a whole? Not so sure about that.

I heard he made his money from a diaper factory. Not exactly Don Vito Corleone.

From what I heard, not just a diaper factory... He allegedly has a monopoly of the business... Every diaper made and used in DR is from his diaper business... That's a lot of fuckin diapers with all the babies in the Dominican Republic....

[Señor JDR of Medellin]

From what I heard, not just a diaper factory... He allegedly has a monopoly of the business... Every diaper made and used in DR is from his diaper business... That's a lot of fuckin diapers with all the babies in the Dominican Republic....

But many use imported pampers.

[BrooklynBeas]

But many use imported pampers.

Don't even wanna know the reason you know this, but I can imagine all the lil himmy's running around the country lol... Either way, if some are imported or not, there's tons of diapers that are not imported... That's just one of the business' a few of us know about. Other's I am happy to know nothing about :)

[Señor JDR of Medellin]

Don't even wanna know the reason you know this, but I can imagine all the lil himmy's running around the country lol... Either way, if some are imported or not, there's tons of diapers that are not imported... That's just one of the business' a few of us know about. Other's I am happy to know nothing about :)

Dominican Diapers are as useful as a paper bag.

[JD426]

Dominican Diapers are as useful as a paper bag.

Just cut a hole out for each leg, and for extra absorbency Line it with one or 2 of them Paper napkins like the ones they wrap around your Presidente ..

done ,and done...

[sopranostingray]

sooo anyone on the ground with any intel on what's happening in Rumba, Classicos over the past few days? still packed with chicas and mongers or has this guy's arrest made things slow down a bit?

All is the same and nothing has changed. Do you think Armando leaving will affect anything???? No. Most people are happy he's gone and the businesses are in his wife's hands. A few small businesses have been sold off.

Many many girls in town. Sosua is still Sosua. By reading posts on this board you would think otherwise, but it's all good for low season.

[Hunter]

All is the same and nothing has changed. Do you think Armando leaving will affect anything???? No. Most people are happy he's gone and the businesses are in his wife's hands. A few small businesses have been sold off.

Many many girls in town. Sosua is still Sosua. By reading posts on this board you would think otherwise, but it's all good for low season.

Do you have a high level of confidence that Armandos Classicos and Afterone will remain open with his wife keeping them open? The DR authorities will not make her close them? Your reasoning?

[JD426]

All is the same and nothing has changed. Do you think Armando leaving will affect anything???? No. Most people are happy he's gone and the businesses are in his wife's hands. A few small businesses have been sold off.

Many many girls in town. Sosua is still Sosua. By reading posts on this board you would think otherwise, but it's all good for low season.

This is FASCINATING, on so many many different Levels.....
amazing... one can draw ones own conclusions though....



but just to add my 2 and 1/2 cents..

so now we have 2 businesses in town ,, where the MEN were DEPORTED and the WOMEN ( wives) are running the family business..

not enough for a pattern yet,, but them are the facts, if this latest is true

Is Armandos Wife DOMINICAN or Italian ? does anyone know..

[Señor JDR of Medellin]

This is FASCINATING, on so many many different Levels.....
amazing... one can draw ones own conclusions though....



but just to add my 2 and 1/2 cents..

so now we have 2 businesses in town ,, where the MEN were DEPORTED and the WOMEN ( wives) are running the family business..

not enough for a pattern yet,, but them are the facts, if this latest is true

Is Armandos Wife DOMINICAN or Italian ? does anyone know..

The Dominican wives are ending up with the business. We never saw that coming.:corky::rofl:

[jose1234]

This is FASCINATING, on so many many different Levels.....
amazing... one can draw ones own conclusions though....



but just to add my 2 and 1/2 cents..

so now we have 2 businesses in town ,, where the MEN were DEPORTED and the WOMEN ( wives) are running the family business..

not enough for a pattern yet,, but them are the facts, if this latest is true

Is Armandos Wife DOMINICAN or Italian ? does anyone know..

I saw a picture of her on one of the news pages, which I can't find now, and she looks Dominican, but some Italians are darker skined and with all the wrinkles and age spots and etc...its hard to tell by the picture. Dust to dust and Dominican land to Dominican... Amen... :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[deezl]

This is FASCINATING, on so many many different Levels.....
amazing... one can draw ones own conclusions though....



but just to add my 2 and 1/2 cents..

so now we have 2 businesses in town ,, where the MEN were DEPORTED and the WOMEN ( wives) are running the family business..

not enough for a pattern yet,, but them are the facts, if this latest is true

Is Armandos Wife DOMINICAN or Italian ? does anyone know..

she's dominican, afaik

[Hunter]

I saw a picture of her on one of the news pages, which I can't find now, and she looks Dominican, but some Italians are darker skined and with all the wrinkles and age spots and etc...its hard to tell by the picture. Dust to dust and Dominican land to Dominican... Amen... :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

There is whole video on her somewhere here on the site.

[Citynights]

Peter's wife is Dominican... I saw a new pic on a chicas FB ... It was taken in
La Passions recently.... There has been chatting between the chicas that are reopening soon... How they are going to run it is any ones guess...:confused::confused::confused:

[JD426]

and lets not forget
Rumbas, the Manager & front man running it is Dom National..
allowed to stay open..
The only pattern that does not fit is D'Latin.. although they did get him on a technicality of not having a Disco License ??

So D'Latin may very well RE OPEN, once he gets that sorted out.`.

Cmp , was also a German National, correct ?He ws Deported but the Dominican "front men "? said they would fight it in court.. any word on that ?
but that was a straight up whore house, so kind of hard to call that one..
but them Dominicans vowing to fight in court, kind of makes sense now..


Not sure about anyone else, but imo, there is a strong pattern developing here.. One i honestly did NOT see clearly before.

Seems they do not want to fight Dominican Nationals in Court, cuz they would probably lose ??.

Anyone still thinking Rumba and Classicos will be closed soon. ?? ..

I dont want to voice my guess and jinx it..

[deezl]

and lets not forget
Rumbas, the Manager & front man running it is Dom National..
allowed to stay open..
The only pattern that does not fit is D'Latin.. although they did get him on a technicality of not having a Disco License ??

So D'Latin may very well RE OPEN, once he gets that sorted out.`.

Cmp , was also a German National, correct ?He ws Deported but the Dominican "front men "? said they would fight it in court.. any word on that ?
but that was a straight up whore house, so kind of hard to call that one..
but them Dominicans vowing to fight in court, kind of makes sense now..


Not sure about anyone else, but imo, there is a strong pattern developing here.. One i honestly did NOT see clearly before.

Seems they do not want to fight Dominican Nationals in Court, cuz they would probably lose ??.

Anyone still thinking Rumba and Classicos will be closed soon. ?? ..

I dont want to voice my guess and jinx it..

yes, i still think rumba & classico will be closed.

it's not at all uncommon to put property in the name of a dominican which is probably as much for tax purposes as legal ones.

and they can't deport dominican nationals.

otoh peter's wife mariela is dominican and she was also arrested and put in jail so... dunno.

[JD426]

yes, i still think rumba & classico will be closed.

it's not at all uncommon to put property in the name of a dominican which is probably as much for tax purposes as legal ones.

and they can't deport dominican nationals.

otoh peter's wife mariela is dominican and she was also arrested and put in jail so... dunno.

They were running a whore house.not a bar.. and she is back open, as a restaurant, no ?
so the fact that she spent a brief time in jail, may have been just to "convince" them both they mean business.
Peter is in Germany, i doubt he will return to run any part of that business. in the near future anyway..

and I wish him well, noone deserves that...he built that business. or one could say they both as husband and wife built their business.
diff topic though..
but her time in jail was not that long , and was she even convicted or charged with anything ?.
If they want to hold a foreign national for even a Traffic accident, they can mess with any one of us a LOT more ...

[QueGuapo]

They were running a whore house.not a bar.. and she is back open, as a restaurant, no ?
so the fact that she spent a brief time in jail, may have been just to "convince" them both they mean business.
Peter is in Germany, i doubt he will return to run any part of that business. in the near future anyway..

and I wish him well, noone deserves that...he built that business. or one could say they both as husband and wife built their business.
diff topic though..
but her time in jail was not that long , and was she even convicted or charged with anything ?.
If they want to hold a foreign national for even a Traffic accident, they can mess with any one of us a LOT more ...

No, different business and different building, the restaurant is on a side of Passion building

[The Sage]

In a recent press release Brito listed Peter as deported as of August 13, 2014. I for one was not aware of Peter's deportation prior to reading that press release.



They were running a whore house.not a bar.. and she is back open, as a restaurant, no ?
so the fact that she spent a brief time in jail, may have been just to "convince" them both they mean business.
Peter is in Germany, i doubt he will return to run any part of that business. in the near future anyway..

and I wish him well, noone deserves that...he built that business. or one could say they both as husband and wife built their business.
diff topic though..
but her time in jail was not that long , and was she even convicted or charged with anything ?.
If they want to hold a foreign national for even a Traffic accident, they can mess with any one of us a LOT more ...

[JD426]

In a recent press release Brito listed Peter as deported as of August 13, 2014. I for one was not aware of Peter's deportation prior to reading that press release.


Which makes one then wonder, why such a big Publicity over Bobby ( Rumba) and also Armando (classicos)
Being Ejected.. even accusting them of "white slavery" & "promoting and profiting from prostitution" (pretty strong words)

but not much publicity about Peter (passions, a real whore house)

being ejected / Deported ?




I have no theory on this .. just asking..

[deezl]

Which makes one then wonder, why such a big Publicity over Bobby ( Rumba) and also Armando (classicos)
Being Ejected.. even accusting them of "white slavery" & "promoting and profiting from prostitution" (pretty strong words)

but not much publicity about Peter (passions, a real whore house)

being ejected / Deported ?


I have no theory on this .. just asking..

maybe they felt they already got all the marketing hoohah they needed out of peters name, new names = new press releases.

and that's all it seems the press there is good for, because afaik everything they wrote about bobby's arrest was complete fabrication. "bar owner told to leave due to overstayed visa" doesn't have the same ring to it.

i guess it all just goes to show, when the gov't is threatening you with prosecution for a laundry list of bullshit, even if you know they don't have any real cards to play, it's easier to just leave, and i think that's exactly what they're banking on.

[eldorob]

In a recent press release Brito listed Peter as deported as of August 13, 2014. I for one was not aware of Peter's deportation prior to reading that press release.

Peter wasn't deported. Maybe out of country right now but he's around.

The puta bars won't last. They are chipping away, and they're not done yet. Don't think for one minute that they'll give up the momentum they currently have.

[BrooklynBeas]

I thought I read somewhere that prostitution was legal, just pimping is not... For the most part if the "pimping" part were charged on a Dominican, it seems the unwritten rule is dont hit em to hard(Dominican residents/Dominican nationalists, etc... But still illegal for a "non-Dominican" being charged with the same charge, it may not be looked away or the charge may be lessened... But for a non-Dominican making profit and running the "illegal shot' just aint gonna fly with the powers that be... kinda sorta, or at least it sounds like it... No??? Right or wrong is not the question of course, just seems how thing hand plaid out and how it seems to be now....Or maybe im just blind and don't get it......

[Señor JDR of Medellin]

I thought I read somewhere that prostitution was legal, just pimping is not... For the most part if the "pimping" part were charged on a Dominican, it seems the unwritten rule is dont hit em to hard(Dominican residents/Dominican nationalists, etc... But still illegal for a "non-Dominican" being charged with the same charge, it may not be looked away or the charge may be lessened... But for a non-Dominican making profit and running the "illegal shot' just aint gonna fly with the powers that be... kinda sorta, or at least it sounds like it... No??? Right or wrong is not the question of course, just seems how thing hand plaid out and how it seems to be now....Or maybe im just blind and don't get it......

Every country on earth can kick out non Citizens at will.

[deezl]

I thought I read somewhere that prostitution was legal, just pimping is not... For the most part if the "pimping" part were charged on a Dominican, it seems the unwritten rule is dont hit em to hard(Dominican residents/Dominican nationalists, etc... But still illegal for a "non-Dominican" being charged with the same charge, it may not be looked away or the charge may be lessened... But for a non-Dominican making profit and running the "illegal shot' just aint gonna fly with the powers that be... kinda sorta, or at least it sounds like it... No??? Right or wrong is not the question of course, just seems how thing hand plaid out and how it seems to be now....Or maybe im just blind and don't get it......

I had heard (and maybe this is bullshit) that pimping is only illegal if you don't have a license, and Peter had a license. IIRC, they didn't bust Peter specifically for pimping but a list of other charges, most notably 'human trafficking', remember how the news had reported that authorities had 'freed' the female employees, as if they had been held against their will?

[Seville]

Makes you wonder how Black Beards and FOD stay open.

[Señor JDR of Medellin]

Makes you wonder how Black Beards and FOD stay open.

They are not in Sosua. mayor of Sosua has nothing to do with them.

[BrooklynBeas]

I had heard (and maybe this is bullshit) that pimping is only illegal if you don't have a license, and Peter had a license. IIRC, they didn't bust Peter specifically for pimping but a list of other charges, most notably 'human trafficking', remember how the news had reported that authorities had 'freed' the female employees, as if they had been held against their will?


http://www.fosigrid.org/caribbean/dominican-republic


Article 334, Penal Code. States that anyone who aids, assists or abets the prostitution of others or the recruitment of persons with a view to sexual exploitation is considered a pimp and liable to imprisonment for six months to three years and a fine of 50,000 to 500,000 pesos. Procuration also entails receiving benefits from the prostitution of others; living on the earnings of prostitution of others; consenting to the prostitution of partners and benefitting from it; recruiting, training or keeping, even with consent, a person for prostitution or debauchery; acting as an intermediary in any capacity between people who engage in prostitution or individuals who exploit or remunerate the prostitution of others; threatening or disturbing, by any means, the rehabilitation, care or prevention undertaken by qualified people of people who engage in prostitution or are at risk of prostitution. The aforementioned crimes are punishable as above. Any attempt to commit crimes set out in this article is punishable with the same penalty as a fait accompli.

[SrSuerte]

http://www.fosigrid.org/caribbean/dominican-republic


Article 334, Penal Code. States that anyone who aids, assists or abets the prostitution of others or the recruitment of persons with a view to sexual exploitation is considered a pimp and liable to imprisonment for six months to three years and a fine of 50,000 to 500,000 pesos. Procuration also entails receiving benefits from the prostitution of others; living on the earnings of prostitution of others; consenting to the prostitution of partners and benefitting from it; recruiting, training or keeping, even with consent, a person for prostitution or debauchery; acting as an intermediary in any capacity between people who engage in prostitution or individuals who exploit or remunerate the prostitution of others; threatening or disturbing, by any means, the rehabilitation, care or prevention undertaken by qualified people of people who engage in prostitution or are at risk of prostitution. The aforementioned crimes are punishable as above. Any attempt to commit crimes set out in this article is punishable with the same penalty as a fait accompli.


So they cant hire the rescued hoes!

[deezl]

http://www.fosigrid.org/caribbean/dominican-republic


Article 334, Penal Code. States that anyone who aids, assists or abets the prostitution of others or the recruitment of persons with a view to sexual exploitation is considered a pimp and liable to imprisonment for six months to three years and a fine of 50,000 to 500,000 pesos. Procuration also entails receiving benefits from the prostitution of others; living on the earnings of prostitution of others; consenting to the prostitution of partners and benefitting from it; recruiting, training or keeping, even with consent, a person for prostitution or debauchery; acting as an intermediary in any capacity between people who engage in prostitution or individuals who exploit or remunerate the prostitution of others; threatening or disturbing, by any means, the rehabilitation, care or prevention undertaken by qualified people of people who engage in prostitution or are at risk of prostitution. The aforementioned crimes are punishable as above. Any attempt to commit crimes set out in this article is punishable with the same penalty as a fait accompli.

by that definition, they'd have to imprison 90% of the population of the entire country.

[el_papi_chew_low]

by that definition, they'd have to imprison 90% of the population of the entire country. I don't think this is about prostitution, but instead about sex tourism. There is a difference.

[SrSuerte]

http://www.fosigrid.org/caribbean/dominican-republic


Article 334, Penal Code. States that anyone who aids, assists or abets the prostitution of others or the recruitment of persons with a view to sexual exploitation is considered a pimp and liable to imprisonment for six months to three years and a fine of 50,000 to 500,000 pesos.Procuration also entails receiving benefits from the prostitution of others; living on the earnings of prostitution of others; consenting to the prostitution of partners and benefitting from it; recruiting, training or keeping, even with consent, a person for prostitution or debauchery; acting as an intermediary in any capacity between people who engage in prostitution or individuals who exploit or remunerate the prostitution of others; threatening or disturbing, by any means, the rehabilitation, care or prevention undertaken by qualified people of people who engage in prostitution or are at risk of prostitution. The aforementioned crimes are punishable as above. Any attempt to commit crimes set out in this article is punishable with the same penalty as a fait accompli.


This is a catch all definition. Who ever thought of this one has probably fucked some hoes or lived off of their earnings.

[questner]

I had heard (and maybe this is bullshit) that pimping is only illegal if you don't have a license, and Peter had a license. IIRC, they didn't bust Peter specifically for pimping but a list of other charges, most notably 'human trafficking', remember how the news had reported that authorities had 'freed' the female employees, as if they had been held against their will?

Pimping is illegal. There is no licence.
There was a formal complaint based on age.
Yes, there was that other notable charge (scouting in other cities or hiring process for P4P represents illegal activity according to Dom law)

[wayne1967]

I don't think this is about prostitution, but instead about sex tourism. There is a difference.


Agreed. It is about foreign loudmouths sullying the image of the Dominican Republic and its people by posting all their sexual exploits on the Internet. Including pictures, videos, denigrating comments about country and people, etc.

To wit: "No vamos a seguir permitiendo que nuestro país lo sigan promocionando en playas extranjeras como un paraíso sexual, en detrimento de nuestras mujeres, niñas y adolescentes, lacerando su dignidad y manchando la imagen de nuestra dominicanidad de esa manera", afirmó el procurador Domínguez Brito." Also, http://pgr.gob.do/Portal/Contents/Articulos/Noticias/20140917-Dominguez-Brito-ha-solicitado-deportacion-cuatro-extranjeros-por-proxenetismo-Sosua.ashx#.VBoWZOfsgbM.facebook



Remember: "I can call my sister ugly. But if you call her ugly, we have a fight on our hands."

[sopranostingray]

They are not in Sosua. mayor of Sosua has nothing to do with them.

....and the mayor of Sosua has nothing to do with any of the closings. The orders are from Santo Domingo and are Nation wide.

[sopranostingray]

Do you have a high level of confidence that Armandos Classicos and Afterone will remain open with his wife keeping them open? The DR authorities will not make her close them? Your reasoning?

Who knows what will happen. Rumbas is still open. Armando's wife has already sold one of the businesses called North Coast Design.

From what I have heard the next target is Rancho Tipico.

Passions is reopening and should be ready next week, it is suppose to be somekind of restaurant. We'll see how long that stays open.

Eventhough nobody knows what will happen, I think that most of us can agree on why it happened. The pictures and videos (you-tube) got out of hand and the image needs to be cleaned up. The pieces-of-shit that video everything and post it, are the ones to blame. The girls are not stupid and know what is going on and they are extorting the guys on it. They see the pics and the videos and they cry to the police to get money out of the posters. The party at the Victorian house video is being talked about by the local Sosua Dominican business men (I was at the meeting) and they are embarassed of this. So, the damage is done. If you see somebody with a camera in a bar, take it and break it from the fucker.

I think everything will calm down, but the Authorities need to prove their point.

[QueGuapo]

Who knows what will happen. Rumbas is still open. Armando's wife has already sold one of the businesses called North Coast Design.

From what I have heard the next target is Rancho Tipico.

Passions is reopening and should be ready next week, it is suppose to be somekind of restaurant. We'll see how long that stays open.

Eventhough nobody knows what will happen, I think that most of us can agree on why it happened. The pictures and videos (you-tube) got out of hand and the image needs to be cleaned up. The pieces-of-shit that video everything and post it, are the ones to blame. The girls are not stupid and know what is going on and they are extorting the guys on it. They see the pics and the videos and they cry to the police to get money out of the posters. The party at the Victorian house video is being talked about by the local Sosua Dominican business men (I was at the meeting) and they are embarassed of this. So, the damage is done. If you see somebody with a camera in a bar, take it and break it from the fucker.

I think everything will calm down, but the Authorities need to prove their point.

First of all THANK YOU! those motherfuckers are the ones that are ruining the whole place..
Second: where and when was the meeting and who attended?
thank you again

[sopranostingray]

First of all THANK YOU! those motherfuckers are the ones that are ruining the whole place..
Second: where and when was the meeting and who attended?
thank you again

The meetings are organized by the business owners of Pedro Clisante...mostly the smaller restaurants, bars and clothing shops. We meet every so often to discuss issues....the locations always changes. The Victorian house video was brought up by a very well known lawyer. He was ashamed of having such an event in his hometown and then having it all over the internet. His kids saw it as well. When I saw the video, all I saw were fat ugly chicks.

Why can so many of us be discreet and others be assholes? Does everybody really need to famous???? Every single member that I met on this board is in agreement about stopping the posting of videos....I don't think the main members are to blame.

[QueGuapo]

The meetings are organized by the business owners of Pedro Clisante...mostly the smaller restaurants, bars and clothing shops. We meet every so often to discuss issues....the locations always changes. The Victorian house video was brought up by a very well known lawyer. He was ashamed of having such an event in his hometown and then having it all over the internet. His kids saw it as well. When I saw the video, all I saw were fat ugly chicks.

Why can so many of us be discreet and others be assholes? Does everybody really need to famous???? Every single member that I met on this board is in agreement about stopping the posting of videos....I don't think the main members are to blame.

Because they are just that: assholes

[QueGuapo]

The meetings are organized by the business owners of Pedro Clisante...mostly the smaller restaurants, bars and clothing shops. We meet every so often to discuss issues....the locations always changes. The Victorian house video was brought up by a very well known lawyer. He was ashamed of having such an event in his hometown and then having it all over the internet. His kids saw it as well. When I saw the video, all I saw were fat ugly chicks.

Why can so many of us be discreet and others be assholes? Does everybody really need to famous???? Every single member that I met on this board is in agreement about stopping the posting of videos....I don't think the main members are to blame.

As always happens, it's the minority that ruins everything all the times. it's the stupid fuckers of this world that make life difficult for everybody...
also it's not really much about this website but the other that post videos every week.
Stupid idiots that post videos on youtube etc...

[QueGuapo]

The meetings are organized by the business owners of Pedro Clisante...mostly the smaller restaurants, bars and clothing shops. We meet every so often to discuss issues....the locations always changes. The Victorian house video was brought up by a very well known lawyer. He was ashamed of having such an event in his hometown and then having it all over the internet. His kids saw it as well. When I saw the video, all I saw were fat ugly chicks.

Why can so many of us be discreet and others be assholes? Does everybody really need to famous???? Every single member that I met on this board is in agreement about stopping the posting of videos....I don't think the main members are to blame.

I know who he is, he is my lawyer...

[jose1234]

Because they are just that: assholes

Sometimes things that look like setbacks and problems turn out to be blessings or have a strong silver lining down the road. Assholes always push the limit. If the culture stays the same, then Sosua will change in only obvious ways... The book has not been written.

[jose1234]

I have been taking walks in Cabarete and around and there are so many small bars and such even along the main road linking Sosua to Cabarete and Sabaneta...and the other direction toward Puerto Plata. The bars and such seem to be active at night and for someone that can speak a bit of Dominican Spanish, I think there are plenty of stuff to do... I think the action and such may not be so concentrated in one spot/area...for a while...

[elmudo]

Peter wasn't deported. Maybe out of country right now but he's around.

The puta bars won't last. They are chipping away, and they're not done yet. Don't think for one minute that they'll give up the momentum they currently have.

honestly let them close. Less WW trash and less ballers making it rain..those of us who know how to have a conversation and just get the chicas anyway will still do fine, whether on PC or off PC. JDR said put it economically and wisely 'chicas still need to pay for their iphones'. Well I have some pesos to contribute to that cause :mrgreen:

[elmudo]

I have been taking walks in Cabarete and around and there are so many small bars and such even along the main road linking Sosua to Cabarete and Sabaneta...and the other direction toward Puerto Plata. The bars and such seem to be active at night and for someone that can speak a bit of Dominican Spanish, I think there are plenty of stuff to do... I think the action and such may not be so concentrated in one spot/area...for a while...

Exactly and that's a good thing. I'm down to walk around, explore, have some conversations and find a chica who is willing..hopefully this leads to less greedy fugly street rat chicas asking for ridiculous prices because they now also have to work to ply their trade..unlike in DLatin and Classicos where all they have to do is shake their cellulite loaded ass and someone is willing to pay them.

[QueGuapo]

honestly let them close. Less WW trash and less ballers making it rain..those of us who know how to have a conversation and just get the chicas anyway will still do fine, whether on PC or off PC. JDR said put it economically and wisely 'chicas still need to pay for their iphones'. Well I have some pesos to contribute to that cause :mrgreen:

I get your point, but the problem is not finding chicas... the problem in having the main bars closed is that those bars were the bigger ones and the ones with more people and room to dance.
I love places like Plan B and little bars like that, but if you start closing bars like DLatin, Rumba, Rancho Tipico etc... well the night you want to go dancing or having some more action, then you have to go to Puerto Plata ( La canita etc..)

[Señor JDR of Medellin]

I have been taking walks in Cabarete and around and there are so many small bars and such even along the main road linking Sosua to Cabarete and Sabaneta...and the other direction toward Puerto Plata. The bars and such seem to be active at night and for someone that can speak a bit of Dominican Spanish, I think there are plenty of stuff to do... I think the action and such may not be so concentrated in one spot/area...for a while...

They were there in 2000-2001 when I spent 7 trips at the Windsurf in Caberete.

[Señor JDR of Medellin]

As always happens, it's the minority that ruins everything all the times. it's the stupid fuckers of this world that make life difficult for everybody...
also it's not really much about this website but the other that post videos every week.
Stupid idiots that post videos on youtube etc...

One door closes and another one opens.

[elmudo]

I get your point, but the problem is not finding chicas... the problem in having the main bars closed is that those bars were the bigger ones and the ones with more people and room to dance.
I love places like Plan B and little bars like that, but if you start closing bars like DLatin, Rumba, Rancho Tipico etc... well the night you want to go dancing or having some more action, then you have to go to Puerto Plata ( La canita etc..)

Ah so you've some skill on the dance floor I see. Lucky for you. I guess no dancing for me and that's a good thing for all of you :mrgreen:

[Señor JDR of Medellin]

Ah so you've some skill on the dance floor I see. Lucky for you. I guess no dancing for me and that's a good thing for all of you :mrgreen:

There are dozens of places to go dancing in the campos.

[JD426]

Wow, some REAL talk from Sopranostingray.......
Dont even have a specific part to highlight, its all pretty much right on point...
But people always just want to deny deny deny...like its everybody elses fault but their own..
I agee especially about the open youtube Videos.
Some of that shit was just way over the top, and HAD to ENRAGE the Locals..
just bad timing...
years ago, that behavior would have been FINE..but this is NOW.
LIFE is all about TIMING... and having Discretion when you should know better..
Some dudes will never understand that..

[weyland]

... the night you want to go dancing or having some more action, then you have to go to Puerto Plata
What about Rio Verde? I have seen some good dancing there with a friendly atmosphere. That's nearer to Sosua. Always chicas to dance with if you don't already have a partner.

Are there no dance-halls in Los Chamaricos? I have never heard of one, but it is a sizable community. Where do the locals go to dance?

[Seville]

What about Rio Verde? I have seen some good dancing there with a friendly atmosphere. That's nearer to Sosua. Always chicas to dance with if you don't already have a partner,

The only issue there is you have to go outside to pee because the smell in the bathroom will overwhelm you.:rofl:

[QueGuapo]

What about Rio Verde? I have seen some good dancing there with a friendly atmosphere. That's nearer to Sosua. Always chicas to dance with if you don't already have a partner.

Are there no dance-halls in Los Chamaricos? I have never heard of one, but it is a sizable community. Where do the locals go to dance?

Come on, you cannot compare Rio Verde with Dlatin, Classico or other big bars. First of all, yes ,we can go to other places ( as I usually do almost every time I am in town, I spend one night at La Canita), but it would be much better to go to a place in town and not being forced to drive all the times. and it's not just for dancing... a big bar gives you a chance to meet a lot of people...
Also having more choices makes the place ( Sosua) more fun. There is no denying that having different types of clubs/bars is better then having just a few and just the small ones... I have never been a big fan of Dlatin, but I had fun there too so when they shut it down I was not happy...

[QueGuapo]

There are dozens of places to go dancing in the campos.

Again, not the same thing.
I used to walk down Pedro clisante at night and maybe meeting WickedWillie at Bar central and chatting with him a little, then we noticed Seville at DLatin at his usual spot at the corner. Then we were walking in and we were meeting somebody else...Do you do that in the Campos? No, you don't
And Again...I like to mix things.. I slept in the campos, I visit chicas in Santiago, Santo Domingo, Higuey, Bavaro etc.... I went dancing/hanging out in little and big dance halls/bars and you know what? Having a lot of choices is always better than having a few

[Hunter]

I was looking throught the old souse is dead thread and shoguns start of that thread this June is interesting:

Short and sweet.

- Wille and Armondo were officially summoned to Santo Domingo for a 3 day talk with the Attorney General and with the Minister of Tourism. Freelance Operations in Sosua will cease with an effective date TBD(****SOON****). They and other property/club owners will continue to lobby for allowing the girls to remain in their clubs and bars unmolested.

- The blocked streets made the problem worse at the West End. (They put 1 Barrier in the wrong spot)

- The new women's jail at the very end of Pedro close to the old casino is almost complete. Upon a chica being arrested it will be a mandatory 48HR lock-up. The plan is for the sweeps to begin as soon as it is complete. Completion date was Summer 2014

- The New Port is not complete but work still continues. The target date for completion was Summer 2014.

more to follow...............

This was in June. Since that meeting in SDQ Bobby is gone and Armondo is gone. So that meeting was no joke when you look back on it.

When is that jail going to be open? That could change things. Shogun says sweeps to begin when that jail open.

One thing we have learned though is we have been talking about the death of Sosua for what 8 years now...haha...keeps on ticking.

[SeaWeed]

One thing we have learned though is we have been talking about the death of Sosua for what 8 years now...haha...keeps on ticking.

When I was in Sosua 5 years ago.......the streets, beach, restaurants and bars were filled to the brim with Chicas......it was pussy overload......
their were really no police around for the most part.....nobody was getting arrested.....and locals were friendly and not overly aggressive.....
it was Boca Chica on steroids......I never thought that it would get the axe like it has......though there was a likkle too much in your face whore stuff
I never gave it the death noel.....no reason to.....I would have gone back the next year for another shot but the airline ticket just about doubled.....
plus of course that J island kept calling mi name......lol..........where I don't have to know Spanish

[forcesteeler]

The More they closed down these Bars. The More the Chicas will be desperate. They have a Lifestyle to maintain.

[BrooklynBeas]

The more bullshit I hear about Sosua daily, the more excited I am for taking a Southern DR trip and visit other away from the beaten path locations in the next couple months...

[Westy]

Makes you wonder how Black Beards and FOD stay open.

Jeffrey explained his situation with FOD yesterday on "that other board" - the one that blocks out its services to the Dominican Republic. Pedro, the general manager, is Dominican, as is the rest of the crew (with Nico's departure to Blackbeards) - Jeffrey stays in the background, taking care of what he calls the "technical back-end" of the system. He has also relinquished his actual legal ownership of the corporation that runs FOD ... providing himself all the legal cover he can; he has other projects going on and he wants to keep out of the line of fire.

As for "El Capitan" of BB's, according to their ConstantContact newsletter, he is still 'in absentia,' going through hospital hell in the States. I'm not sure of his management staff, but those that aren't Dominicans are probably relatively safe as salaried employees.

Seville, you're on the ground down there, so you know more than I could possibly know about the situation. But I've got this half-baked, ignorant opinion that FOD and Barba Negra, being outside of Sosua, aren't any concern of Madam Mayor ... and also, since they're out and away from things enough to keep a low profile, they aren't on Señor Brito's radar.

I hope nothing happens to prove me wrong.

[BrooklynBeas]

Jeffrey explained his situation with FOD yesterday on "that other board" - the one that blocks out its services to the Dominican Republic. Pedro, the general manager, is Dominican, as is the rest of the crew (with Nico's departure to Blackbeards) - Jeffrey stays in the background, taking care of what he calls the "technical back-end" of the system. He has also relinquished his actual legal ownership of the corporation that runs FOD ... providing himself all the legal cover he can; he has other projects going on and he wants to keep out of the line of fire.



Not sure if you knew, but Bobby from Rumba's was also just a "manager" or something like that... The business was not and is not in his name... But then again, maybe that's why he was able to leave on his own, and allegedly able tocome back if/when he pleases.... Sure pal, come back, we would love to try to abuse you any possible way we could figure out... And this is a good guy that gave back MUCHO to the needy people of Sosua.... Talk about biting the hand that feeds you... The guy only owneda bar where guys just happen to meet whores at... Aint like he was pimpin them... That was (in my opinion) one of the most fucked up things of this new way of Sosua....

[Seville]

Seville, you're on the ground down there, so you know more than I could possibly know about the situation. But I've got this half-baked, ignorant opinion that FOD and Barba Negra, being outside of Sosua, aren't any concern of Madam Mayor ... and also, since they're out and away from things enough to keep a low profile, they aren't on Señor Brito's radar.



Honestly, I don't pay much attention as it doesn't really affect me. Almost everything I hear is rumor and speculation. I quit paying attention to that stuff a long time ago as 90% of it is BS.

[wayne1967]

The More they closed down these Bars. The More the Chicas will be desperate. They have a Lifestyle to maintain.

This is just the unqualified, completely de-relict-of-any-respect, attitude that is so prevalent on the Internet.
Dude talking out of his ass. Doesn't speak Spanish, doesn't understand or even care to understand the cultural environment he is in.
INSTEAD: "I got $$$. Do as I say."

Honestly, I am w/ Brito and Alba Nunez. Let's get the street cleaned up of this kind of tourist TRASH!!!!!!!!

Let's get back a modicum of respect for one's transactional partners as well as the host country!

P.S.: What do you know about a chicas life-style, B****?
You wouldn't last a week in the conditions many of these girls have to survive day-to-day.

[whynotme]

The more bullshit I hear about Sosua daily, the more excited I am for taking a Southern DR trip and visit other away from the beaten path locations in the next couple months...

I was thinking the opposite:rofl:

i think it might be time to go see sosua as it used to be before the weekend warriors and there 2 week millionaire mentality brought down the whole town:bigthumbup:

but I hate discos and crowds and noise and motos and and and :eek::corky:

[Shogun Warrior]

Hunter thanks for the flashback.................

Will provide on the ground update ASAP. Would be very helpful to know from folks there as well what the deal is now. $500 entrance for chicas at Classico's ? I don't believe that ever happened. I have been told by many sources that CLassico's is still open but with a fee of $200 PESO for all. No news on hotels getting harassed either. Chicas are still in abundance. Anyone know if the jail is open?

ST is still $1000 to $1500

TLN can be had for $1500 to $2000

Anybody got a link to that Victorian House Video that got people fired up?

Shogun

[Westy]

Not sure if you knew, but Bobby from Rumba's was also just a "manager" or something like that... The business was not and is not in his name... But then again, maybe that's why he was able to leave on his own, and allegedly able tocome back if/when he pleases.... Sure pal, come back, we would love to try to abuse you any possible way we could figure out... And this is a good guy that gave back MUCHO to the needy people of Sosua.... Talk about biting the hand that feeds you... The guy only owneda bar where guys just happen to meet whores at... Aint like he was pimpin them... That was (in my opinion) one of the most fucked up things of this new way of Sosua....

Thanks for setting me straight. I certainly agree, Bobby's situation was TOTALLY fucked-up, and so is Armando's ... where does this leave any foreigner with a business that counts mongers among its clientele?

[wayne1967]

Thanks for setting me straight. I certainly agree, Bobby's situation was TOTALLY fucked-up, and so is Armando's ... where does this leave any foreigner with a business that counts mongers among its clientele?

Or more generalized: "Where does that leave any foreign-owned business/financial interest in the DR?"

Even on my second or third trip to the DR, I heard stories along the lines: "We imported $1M of construction equipment into the DR. The Air Base next to POP seized it and demanded "ransom". Fiscal PP ruled against them, and "Aero Fuerza Dominicana" still wouldn't release it w/o payment. We are done doing business here."

That was 10 yrs ago!
Nothing has changed. But it seems that nothing has been learned either.

[snoozer]

I was thinking the opposite:rofl:

i think it might be time to go see sosua as it used to be before the weekend warriors and there 2 week millionaire mentality brought down the whole town:bigthumbup:

but I hate discos and crowds and noise and motos and and and :eek::corky:

I just sent an email to a friend saying the same thing. Maybe now is the time to head back to enjoy Sosua the way it used to be.

[quietcorner911]

Jeffrey explained his situation with FOD yesterday on "that other board" - the one that blocks out its services to the Dominican Republic. Pedro, the general manager, is Dominican, as is the rest of the crew (with Nico's departure to Blackbeards) - Jeffrey stays in the background, taking care of what he calls the "technical back-end" of the system. He has also relinquished his actual legal ownership of the corporation that runs FOD ... providing himself all the legal cover he can; he has other projects going on and he wants to keep out of the line of fire.

Jeffery does not nor ever did own FOD. He is the owner of the corporation but the corporation doesn't have any hard assets related to FOD,the real estate is owned by Armado and/or Pedro,they are the owners. Pedro pays Jeffery to maintain the website,that's it.

[balcoach]

The only issue there is you have to go outside to pee because the smell in the bathroom will overwhelm you.:rofl:
and sit on the outer edge b/c the music can cause deafness..... but a great place to escape to from time to time and a hidden gem can be found fresh off the bus

[Westy]

Jeffery does not nor ever did own FOD. He is the owner of the corporation but the corporation doesn't have any hard assets related to FOD,the real estate is owned by Armado and/or Pedro,they are the owners. Pedro pays Jeffery to maintain the website,that's it.

As I recall, from the time before Jeffrey took over the lease and started the present FOD, the real-estate belongs to "Armando" - I'm not sure if that was Signor Casciati, all I recall hearing was the first name.

What I wanted to convey was that Jeffrey has relinquished ownership of the corporation that runs FOD, as well. He's still maintaining the website, and "taking care of customer relations" as he put it, but he's keeping his distance as best he can ... he's working on a different project, and he doesn't want to be caught up like Peter, or Bobby, or now Armando Casciati.

What was the old saying? "He who sups with the devil should bring a long spoon."

[BrooklynBeas]

I was thinking the opposite:rofl:

i think it might be time to go see sosua as it used to be before the weekend warriors and there 2 week millionaire mentality brought down the whole town:bigthumbup:

but I hate discos and crowds and noise and motos and and and :eek::corky:

True, but things are just a little too fucked up right now, at least how it sounds on here... I'd rather wait for the dust to settle a bit before going back for a week or more... Plus,the next trip looks very much like it will start in SDQ,continue to Boca Chica, then a few other towns hosted by Tgunzz and crew... I may, but not sure, wind up finishing up the trip in the Su for the last couple days... But nothing is written in stone yet.... One thing and the only thing that looks pretty sure is my 20th trip to DR will be around my 40th birthday... It only seems right for that to happen... And sad as it sounds to me, my first trip to DR was to SDQ and I haven't flew into that airport ever since... Plus with more and more options (direct) from JFK, and around $350-$400 give or take, it makes it all that much better...

[BrooklynBeas]

and sit on the outer edge b/c the music can cause deafness..... but a great place to escape to from time to time and a hidden gem can be found fresh off the bus

I've only been there once, and that was with about 8 dudes, 0 being Dominican, and we definitely stuck out... But not once did I feel threatened or not welcome, but then again we didn't stay very long and didn't see many that looked fuckable (at least in my taste)... Im pretty sure though if I did, I could have got a BJ in the parking lot without a problem... Maybe I went on a bad night, or maybe we didn't stay long enough to find that hidden gem... But it was definitely a spot where Dominican's look for a quick piece of ass before going home to wifee... lol

I'll also never forget putting the empty grande bottles under the tables, aka their way of counting how many you ordered and how much the bill would be... lol

[Irie]

True, but things are just a little too fucked up right now, at least how it sounds on here... I'd rather wait for the dust to settle a bit before going back for a week or more... Plus,the next trip looks very much like it will start in SDQ,continue to Boca Chica, then a few other towns hosted by Tgunzz and crew... I may, but not sure, wind up finishing up the trip in the Su for the last couple days... But nothing is written in stone yet.... One thing and the only thing that looks pretty sure is my 20th trip to DR will be around my 40th birthday... It only seems right for that to happen... And sad as it sounds to me, my first trip to DR was to SDQ and I haven't flew into that airport ever since... Plus with more and more options (direct) from JFK, and around $350-$400 give or take, it makes it all that much better...


You're kidding, right?:confused:


Pleeease tell me you are. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[weyland]

As I recall, from the time before Jeffrey took over the lease and started the present FOD, the real-estate belongs to "Armando" - I'm not sure if that was Signor Casciati, all I recall hearing was the first name.

The name is "Amado". Ironically it means "beloved". He is Alberto Noesi's nephew and was his money collector and enforcer. I remember seeing him pull a gun on Dominican Billy during a trivial dispute over storage space but Billy was not at all fazed. I have never been clear if his interest in FoD and cabaña La Roca is with his own money or as a front for Alberto.

Nothing to do with Armando, but much the same ilk.

[dquick]

True, but things are just a little too fucked up right now, at least how it sounds on here... I'd rather wait for the dust to settle a bit before going back for a week or more... Plus,the next trip looks very much like it will start in SDQ,continue to Boca Chica, then a few other towns hosted by Tgunzz and crew... I may, but not sure, wind up finishing up the trip in the Su for the last couple days... But nothing is written in stone yet.... One thing and the only thing that looks pretty sure is my 20th trip to DR will be around my 40th birthday... It only seems right for that to happen... And sad as it sounds to me, my first trip to DR was to SDQ and I haven't flew into that airport ever since... Plus with more and more options (direct) from JFK, and around $350-$400 give or take, it makes it all that much better...

Beas,

I am sure you are not the only one that feels this way. I have kept quiet on a public board on this subject out of respect for Mr Casciati and his family. This has been a trying time for them.

But this has not effected business. Sosua Hotels, Bars, and Clubs are open. Traveller's are still visiting daily. This is just a bump in the road. Not one of Mr Casciati's businesses have stopped operating since his departure from DR.

[psriches]

Beas,

I am sure you are not the only one that feels this way. I have kept quiet on a public board on this subject out of respect for Mr Casciati and his family. This has been a trying time for them.

But this has not effected business. Sosua Hotels, Bars, and Clubs are open. Traveller's are still visiting daily. This is just a bump in the road. Not one of Mr Casciati's businesses have stopped operating since his departure from DR.This is the part that doesn't make sense and one reason why mongers back home say, "things are a little too fucked up right now". Getting rid of business owners for the purpose of cleaning up the streets but yet the business stays open just doesn't make sense. Mongers don't need to agree with the reasons, but they do need an explanation that makes a little bit of sense, even for DR standards.

[QueGuapo]

This is the part that doesn't make sense and one reason why mongers back home say, "things are a little too fucked up right now". Getting rid of business owners for the purpose of cleaning up the streets but yet the business stays open just doesn't make sense. Mongers don't need to agree with the reasons, but they do need an explanation that makes a little bit of sense, even for DR standards.

well..Mongers..especially on this board..should know better...we all know that DR is very often smoke and mirrors.... Let's just think for a minute..We all know clubs are open..we all know girls are somewhere...in my books 2+2 still=4

[jose1234]

well..Mongers..especially on this board..should know better...we all know that DR is very often smoke and mirrors.... Let's just think for a minute..We all know clubs are open..we all know girls are somewhere...in my books 2+2 still=4

That is so true, you can land here ignorant and walk around and get laid 24 times a day if you wanted... There are plenty of smaller bars to hang out at if you want and the beach and lots to do and guys to drink beers with and music to be listened too...and football games on tv during the day or whatever. Even Classico's and Rumba are still open. It's still a great place to monger though its not a circus. Walk around and talk to some chicas and many want to talk with you... Look at them too long in the downtown area and they will be right next to you in less than a minute... Its not the height of debauchery but its still fantasy island...

[QueGuapo]

That is so true, you can land here ignorant and walk around and get laid 24 times a day if you wanted... There are plenty of smaller bars to hang out at if you want and the beach and lots to do and guys to drink beers with and music to be listened too...and football games on tv during the day or whatever. Even Classico's and Rumba are still open. It's still a great place to monger though its not a circus. Walk around and talk to some chicas and many want to talk with you... Look at them too long in the downtown area and they will be right next to you in less than a minute... Its not the height of debauchery but its still fantasy island...

Thank God! And I hope it gets better... less douche bags around and such...

[MrHappy]

The name is "Amado". Ironically it means "beloved". He is Alberto Noesi's nephew and was his money collector and enforcer. I remember seeing him pull a gun on Dominican Billy during a trivial dispute over storage space but Billy was not at all fazed. I have never been clear if his interest in FoD and cabaña La Roca is with his own money or as a front for Alberto.

Nothing to do with Armando, but much the same ilk.

I'm pretty sure if you dig a little deeper, you'll find Alberto is the real owner of FOD, and Amado is just the "pretend" owner because of Alberto's financial dealings.

Amado also used to "own" the Mountainview... but it was also Alberto's property.

For a time, Amado was the "owner" of the Blackbeards property, but once again... the owner really was Alberto, just like the big car wash place on the left when you're entering Costambar.

When John first bought Blackbeards, Alberto used to come by almost on a daily basis. He and I would spend a lot of time chatting, and he was always trying to get me to buy one of the dozens of properties he owned.

He told me more than once that he didn't think John would come through on the last payments for Blackbeards, and if he didn't, he'd let me make the final payments and stay with the property.

Amado used to come in frequently, always with a couple of girls. That was pretty ballsy considering he lived about a hundred feet away.

One night he and I were in the Jacuzzi with two girls he brought in, and one of the girls "playslapped" him in the face, and he punched her in the mouth so hard it knocked her two front teeth out. Then he pulled her naked out of the jacuzzi bleeding all over the place and drug her out to the front gate and threw her out.

I couldn't do much about it because he always carried a 44, and I'm sure he wouldn't have been afraid to use it on me. Even back then, he had a really bad reputation and was known to have killed a few folks.

That's a side of Alberto's business very few know about.

[el_papi_chew_low]

This is the part that doesn't make sense and one reason why mongers back home say, "things are a little too fucked up right now". Getting rid of business owners for the purpose of cleaning up the streets but yet the business stays open just doesn't make sense. Mongers don't need to agree with the reasons, but they do need an explanation that makes a little bit of sense, even for DR standards.

When we started there was no Rumba. Places like Pasions, CMP, D'Latin, El Toro, etc. have been closed. Who knows what the future holds. I'm sure people that want to will adapt or move on. To newbies it will still be the greatest vacation in the world. The guys that like to pop bottles in their white suites might be a little bothered but life goes on. I remember you always talking about "appointments" you had setup anyway lol

[psriches]

When we started there was no Rumba. Places like Pasions, CMP, D'Latin, El Toro, etc. have been closed. Who knows what the future holds. I'm sure people that want to will adapt or move on. To newbies it will still be the greatest vacation in the world. The guys that like to pop bottles in their white suites might be a little bothered but life goes on. I remember you always talking about "appointments" you had setup anyway lolYou're right. I never did have any use for those clubs/bars anyway. I get my chicas from other sources. :rofl:

But I still would like to know what's going on and what they're up to. I just don't ever want to get caught with my slip showing.

[quietcorner911]

I'm pretty sure if you dig a little deeper, you'll find Alberto is the real owner of FOD, and Amado is just the "pretend" owner because of Alberto's financial dealings.



Alberto lost everything and is in prison,has been there for over a year.

[Hunter]

This is the part that doesn't make sense and one reason why mongers back home say, "things are a little too fucked up right now". Getting rid of business owners for the purpose of cleaning up the streets but yet the business stays open just doesn't make sense. Mongers don't need to agree with the reasons, but they do need an explanation that makes a little bit of sense, even for DR standards.

Just pure speculation which we all do here.......

Maybe the tourist minister has a huge investor and is going to force armondo and bobby to sell their properties to the investor. Then the investor shuts everything down and builds a family friendly Disney land :lol:

[MrHappy]

Alberto lost everything and is in prison,has been there for over a year.

I'm quite aware of where Alberto is and why. I was referring to the period of time up until he went under.

[MrHappy]

Just pure speculation which we all do here.......

Maybe the tourist minister has a huge investor and is going to force armondo and bobby to sell their properties to the investor. Then the investor shuts everything down and builds a family friendly Disney land :lol:

Yep.. That's gotta be it.

[DominicanBilly]

The name is "Amado". Ironically it means "beloved". He is Alberto Noesi's nephew and was his money collector and enforcer. I remember seeing him pull a gun on Dominican Billy during a trivial dispute over storage space but Billy was not at all fazed. I have never been clear if his interest in FoD and cabaña La Roca is with his own money or as a front for Alberto.

Nothing to do with Armando, but much the same ilk.

Hi Martin: I remember the day very well. As far as FoD, Cabana La Roca and Mountain View Hotel they have changed hands back and forth so many times just to cover the money trail. I have never been able to figure out who owns what or who controls what.

Amndo did pull a gun on me and that was after a few years in the past I cooked a pizza for him and took it to him in "Fortaleza" (jail).
He was there after a kid working for him at the cabanas Nueva York was shot to death. He was released after about 3 weeks and what really happened was never known.

[DominicanBilly]

I'm quite aware of where Alberto is and why. I was referring to the period of time up until he went under.

I heard just the other day Alberto is in Miami. He was only locked up for 3 or 4 moths until he paid off the guy who had enough money to payoff the right people. With enough money you can get justice or avoid justice depending on the situation. Once the guy got his money back out of "Anoeca" he let Alberto out of jail.

[steviewonder]

Maybe Armando will be receiving an early Christmas gift from the DR Govt?:wink:




http://detrasdelrumor.com.do/index.php/2012-08-08-22-36-42/regionales/5709-el-empresario-italiano-armando-casciati-incoa-accion-de-amparo-contra-la-deportacion-arbitraria-de-la-que-fue-objeto


Google translation:

In Sosúa.- phone call made this morning to section So are things of the Musa 99.7 Circuit, businessman of Italian origin Armando claimed to have deposited Casiati through his lawyers Writ of Amparo against arbitrary deportation from which was subject to the initiative of the General Prosecutor of the Republic, Dr. Francisco Dominguez Brito on 11 October this year.Casiati said the hearing is scheduled for December 4 in Santo Domingo where his lawyers will be asking them to be restored their rights to enter this country, which has investments in excess of $ 50 million in different areas of trade, such as 3 hotels, a nightclub, a bar and land in this city as well as a factory in Mount Cristi disposable diapers.The Italian businessman reported that certainly was deported one day after being handcuffed like a common criminal in the Palace of Justice in Puerto Plata and brought to Santo Domingo by agents of the Directorate General of Immigration and Interior and Police, the only reason Armando left is because he had a flight purchased and the Prosecutor to save the cost of a flight allowed to leave through the Gregorio Luperon International Airport, bound for Miami.The Attorney General's Office justified the action that supposedly Casiati promoting the country as a destination for prostitution, for what he called a pimp, this investor said that the prosecution did not obey the truth, since no is dedicated to these activities and therefore it does not exist against any record or accusation, which was expelled from arbitrary and abusive manner, so that he will not rest until they can return and once this happens require is cleaned his name.

[JD426]

Can Someone translate this ?
the decision of the COURT..
sounds like they ruled it was an abuse of power..



March 19 , 2015

http://sosuaonline.net/inicio/sentencia-favorece-al-empresario-armando-casciati/


En todo momento hemos considerado un abuso de poder lo ejecutado por autoridades dominicas en contra del inversionista extranjero Armando Casciati.
Ha sido extraditado en dos ocasiones fuera de República Dominicana, alegando que el mismo es pederasta, pero nunca se le mostraron las pruebas a la sociedad, lo que nos hace pensar que solo ha sido un abuso de poder articulado por partes interesadas en que Casciati no permanezca en el país.Creemos y mantenemos los ideales de que la justicia debe ser igual para todos, fundamentadas en el equilibrio.
Presentamos del PODER JUDICIAL “Tribunal Superior Administrativo” (SENTENCIA No. 023-2015):

[whynotme]

Can Someone translate this ?
the decision of the COURT..
sounds like they ruled it was an abuse of power..



March 19 , 2015

http://sosuaonline.net/inicio/sentencia-favorece-al-empresario-armando-casciati/


google translate can............ sorta :rofl:

At all times we have considered an abuse of power is executed by Dominican authorities against the foreign investor Armando Casciati .
It has been extradited twice outside Dominican Republic , alleging that it is pederast , but never showed the evidence to society, what makes us think that has only been an abuse of power articulated by stakeholders that Casciati not remain in the country .

We believe and maintain the ideals of justice should be equal for all , based on the balance .

Introducing the JUDICIARY " High Administrative Court " ( Judgment No. 023-2015 ) :

Setencia No.023-2015 ( 1)

[Apos]

The title says they ruled in his favour....Sentencia favorece al empresario Armando Casciati (http://sosuaonline.net/inicio/sentencia-favorece-al-empresario-armando-casciati/)

[JD426]

The title says they ruled in his favour....Sentencia favorece al empresario Armando Casciati (http://sosuaonline.net/inicio/sentencia-favorece-al-empresario-armando-casciati/)




Are you reading from the PDF , which is the Sentence Document.. ?



http://sosuaonline.net/inicio/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Setencia-No.023-2015-1.pdf