10/2017 - 59+ dead , over 520 injured in Las Vegas Shooting

[kitie carson]

If you haven’t heard the video of the shooting , its very sobering...UPDATED; at least 50 dead,200 injured

it is very sad and scary to know this is happening too much now..The guy is perched high above in Mandalay Bay shooting sounds like automatic weapon.
Gun man supposedly killed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4939872/Active-shooter-reported-Las-Vegas-Mandalay-Bay-Resort.html

[Westy]

Whynotme, you're not in Vegas now, are you?

(I see you thanked Kitie for the post. Obviously, you weren't one of the victims ... but beware those one-armed bandits ... :wink: )

[gdogg]

If you haven’t heard the video of the shooting , its very sobering...UPDATED; at least 50 dead,200 injured

it is very sad and scary to know this is happening too much now..The guy is perched high above in Mandalay Bay shooting sounds like automatic weapon.
Gun man supposedly killed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4939872/Active-shooter-reported-Las-Vegas-Mandalay-Bay-Resort.html


Oh Shit!! With so many people losing their shirt over the years, something insane like this was bound to happen eventually. Glad they shot the fucker!

[minkyboodle]

I believe he killed himself when the police breached the door. So insane! And the bastard that did this, no one can make sense of who/what he is.

[Mr. Smooth]

As of 12 pm, PST, 58 dead and over 500 injured. But many of those in critical condition.

Too unspeakable for words.

[whynotme]

Whynotme, you're not in Vegas now, are you?

(I see you thanked Kitie for the post. Obviously, you weren't one of the victims ... but beware those one-armed bandits ... :wink: )


luckily I am in Canada
I was there for the sept holiday weekend and this weekend I will be celibrating the Canadian thanksgiving in bkk and then hua hin and then finishing up in pattaya:corky:

[PapiQueRico]

How sad. How helpless we are to stop any of this madness. I have no answers.

[Jimmydr]

The strange and scary thing about multi-millionaire real estate investor Stephen Craig Paddock, the 64-year-old Nevada resident who secretly hauled 10 or more rifles to the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay Resort in Las Vegas on Sunday before opening fire on concertgoers below, killing at least 59 and injuring more than 520, is that few if any of the details that have surfaced at this point play to type.

[yayow]

How sad. How helpless we are to stop any of this madness. I have no answers.


We are not helpless to stop a lot, not all of this madness. But because Congress are the bitch boys of the NRA, and gun lobbyists, it is true the madness will continue.


Yes truly sad, the ball less wonders that we call Congress!

[MrHappy]

From the internet, these are allegedly pictures of the dead shooter and the weapons he was using. You can see the cheap attachment on both weapons that convert them from a semi-automatic to a weapon that functions the same as an automatic.

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=145706&d=1507050675

http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=145705&d=1507050487


Also visible in this picture is the hammer he used to break the windows.


http://news.insearchofchicas.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=145707&d=1507051089

[j_d66]

What I find amazing is this guy is said to have brought 10 suitcases to his suite.

And he was there for 4 days before this happened.

Seems like the people servicing his suite would have noticed something out of the norm unless he didn't allow anyone in there.


Truly a tragedy. Makes you wonder how someone that apparently flew so far under the radar could bring himself to commit such an awful act.

[The Sage]

What really bothers me is the focus put on the shooters and not the real problem. If you permit almost anyone to buy semi-automatic weapons and amo it's enivitable that one of them is going to use those weapons to kill a bunch of people. There's not a lot of mystery to this.

[Hunter]

Interesting twist - He wired 100K USD to his Phillipine girlfriends account in PI just last week....She was older so dont think he was mongering.....ouch....

[Jimmydr]

Interesting twist - He wired 100K USD to his Phillipine girlfriends account in PI just last week....She was older so dont think he was mongering.....ouch....


He was wealthy and that is what he choose:mad::mad::mad:

[Westy]

I'm appalled ... of course.

But ... is it appropriate for us to blame the gun(s)?

OR SHOULDN'T WE BLAME THE GUNNER?

(Incidentally, I don't OWN a gun!)

[j_d66]

I'm appalled ... of course.

But ... is it appropriate for us to blame the gun(s)?

OR SHOULDN'T WE BLAME THE GUNNER?

(Incidentally, I don't OWN a gun!)


Definitely the crazed gunman is to blame.

But i agree that we probably need some restrictions on the types of guns that he had.

They serve no sporting purpose and really are only suited for the types of activities that he used them for.

Even if they were not legal he might have still got them anyway but at least it would have been more difficult to obtain.

I hope that the girlfriend can shed some light on this whole thing as I bet she has alot of knowledge and if she new what he was planning to do she is cupable as well.

[The Sage]

It's absolutely not important why he shot those people. Like knowing why he did it is going to stop the next massacre. Folks it's just a diversion to distract us from demanding that certain weapons not be available for purchase. Blame the shooter, haha. No, I blame the society that permits a person to own 40 firearms some of which were semi-automatic and serve no purpose other than killing people in bunches. If you can't accept the use of the weapon as intended why permit them to be sold. Like it or not this individual simply exercised his constitutional right (as some folks see it) to murder a large number of his fellow citizens. No need to expend the energy trying to find out why he chose to do so.

[greydread]

What really bothers me is the focus put on the shooters and not the real problem. If you permit almost anyone to buy semi-automatic weapons and amo it's enivitable that one of them is going to use those weapons to kill a bunch of people. There's not a lot of mystery to this.
I'm all for the upholding of the 2nd amendment but assault weapons with 30+ round clips are only meant for one thing....killing lots of people in a short span of time. They have no practical use in a civil society and anyone who thinks that citizens owning them is somehow protection against official corruption is delusional.

Gas action rifles should be banned in favor of lever and bolt action rifles which are perfectly adequate for hunting and sport shooting. The last "assault weapons ban" which allowed 3 of 5 of the "characteristics" of assault rifles (folding/ telescoping stock, bayonet mount, pistol grip, flash suppressor and grenade launcher.....grenade launcher for fuck sakes!). The 1994 AWB expired in 2004 and it wasn't replaced with a more sensible law simply banning direct impingement gas operated rifles which would have saved a whole lot of lives.

The problem is that the voters allow moneyed interests to outweigh public safety considerations and keep electing the same bought and paid for politicians to tap dance around life and death issues. Term limits would fix this. 3 for HOR and one for Senate. The career politician would be a thing of the past and public safety would replace re-election at the top of their list of priorities.

[Mr. Smooth]

There are all sorts of things yet to come out of this investigation. And I have been reading the usual conspiracy theories that these types of things always seem to draw out on social media. I take those with a grain of salt.

From news reports I heard, this guy had passed the background check before taking ownership of his weapons. Investigators have said he doesn't fit the usual profile with others who have committed such atrocities. There is so much more that will be revealed in the coming days and weeks, so many questions that will need to be answered. Let the FBI, LVPD and Clark County Sheriff's Dept. continue to investigate and see where it leads.

I'm sure many of us have friends or relatives who live in LV. I know two people who live there and I was relieved when both txt me that they were ok. One guy who lives a half hour from me and was at that country music concert with family, was one of the victims. Neighbors have placed flowers and other memorabilia on his front yard as a makeshift memorial to him. I can imagine that scene being repeated in numerous neighborhoods in cities and towns where other victims lived.

Just wish the politicalization of this tragedy could at least wait until all the grieving family members can lay their loved ones to rest.

They deserve that consideration at the very least.

[Jimmydr]

It's absolutely not important why he shot those people. Like knowing why he did it is going to stop the next massacre. Folks it's just a diversion to distract us from demanding that certain weapons not be available for purchase. Blame the shooter, haha. No, I blame the society that permits a person to own 40 firearms some of which were semi-automatic and serve no purpose other than killing people in bunches. If you can't accept the use of the weapon as intended why permit them to be sold. Like it or not this individual simply exercised his constitutional right (as some folks see it) to murder a large number of his fellow citizens. No need to expend the energy trying to find out why he chose to do so.


The Plumber had many weapons and he said that he had bought 10,000 rounds on E bay.

[PapiQueRico]

I'm appalled ... of course.

But ... is it appropriate for us to blame the gun(s)?

OR SHOULDN'T WE BLAME THE GUNNER?

(Incidentally, I don't OWN a gun!)


I don't understand why we are upset that North Korea has nukes. Nukes don't kill people, people kill people.


​Does that shine a little different light on your question, Westy?

[PapiQueRico]

There are all sorts of things yet to come out of this investigation. And I have been reading the usual conspiracy theories that these types of things always seem to draw out on social media. I take those with a grain of salt.

From news reports I heard, this guy had passed the background check before taking ownership of his weapons. Investigators have said he doesn't fit the usual profile with others who have committed such atrocities. There is so much more that will be revealed in the coming days and weeks, so many questions that will need to be answered. Let the FBI, LVPD and Clark County Sheriff's Dept. continue to investigate and see where it leads.

I'm sure many of us have friends or relatives who live in LV. I know two people who live there and I was relieved when both txt me that they were ok. One guy who lives a half hour from me and was at that country music concert with family, was one of the victims. Neighbors have placed flowers and other memorabilia on his front yard as a makeshift memorial to him. I can imagine that scene being repeated in numerous neighborhoods in cities and towns where other victims lived.

Just wish the politicalization of this tragedy could at least wait until all the grieving family members can lay their loved ones to rest.

They deserve that consideration at the very least.

Or perhaps we could show some consideration by making a real effort to not have so many grieving families.

We heard this asinine 'now is not the time' garbage after Aurora, after Orlando, after Columbine, after Newton, after Virginia Tech and now after Las Vegas and the full list is much longer. In all of these cases there never came a time. If now is not the time when the fuck is the time?????

[j_d66]

With the proliferation of media in our society these things likely are not going to stop as it gives these people more than 15 minutes of fame.

It makes me wonder what drove this guy to commit such a horrible act.

I am all for someone having guns for their own protection or for sporting purposes but not at the level or type that this guy had.

There is no valid reason for any civilian to be able to own the types and number of weapons this guy had and it sounds like he purchased all of them legally.

IMO there needs to be some changes in regards to the laws of gun ownership with the number of and types of weapons a civilian can own.

Not even the NRA should support laws that allow people to own weapons in this manner.

Let's see if our do nothing Congress will have the courage to do something about it. Odds are they won't

[Mr. Smooth]

Or perhaps we could show some consideration by making a real effort to not have so many grieving families.

We heard this asinine 'now is not the time' garbage after Aurora, after Orlando, after Columbine, after Newton, after Virginia Tech and now after Las Vegas and the full list is much longer. In all of these cases there never came a time. If now is not the time when the fuck is the time?????

Nevermind Papi, it was wishful thinking on my part.

I'm assuming the "discussion" you refer to, is about yet more gun control laws, correct? Call your buddy Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago. Ask him how all those tough as nails gun laws in his city are working out.

Oh, and blame the NRA. Can't leave them out of the discussion. That heinous organization is to blame for every mass shooting in America, right?

[PapiQueRico]

Nevermind Papi, it was wishful thinking on my part.

I'm assuming the "discussion" you refer to, is about yet more gun control laws, correct? Call your buddy Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago. Ask him how all those tough as nails gun laws in his city are working out.

Oh, and blame the NRA. Can't leave them out of the discussion. That heinous organization is to blame for every mass shooting in America, right?

What a fucking joke you are. As if your post wasn't already highly political in itself.

BTW Rahm Emanuel isn't my "buddy", I have never met the guy.

You also don't need to assume anything, I am quite capable of expressing my own opinion and I don't need you putting words in my mouth. Try to show just a tiny bit of intelectual integrity and react (or not) to what I post, not some assumption you pull out of your ass.

[questner]

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate.jpg)

[j_d66]

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate.jpg)


An interesting chart but can't really make much sense of it or really draw conclusions from it
I guess it shows firearm related deaths per 100,000 people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Even the other chart



Country
Total
Method of Calculation
Homicides
Suicides
Unintentional
Undetermined
Sources and notes
Guns per 100 inhabitants


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Flag_of_Honduras.svg/23px-Flag_of_Honduras.svg.png Honduras (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honduras)
67.18
(incomplete)
66.64 (2013)
0.41 (2013)
0.13 (2013)
unavailable
Guns in Honduras[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-29)
6.2


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Flag_of_Venezuela.svg/23px-Flag_of_Venezuela.svg.png Venezuela (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela)
59.13
(mixed years)
39.00 (2009)
0.48 (2007)
0.17 (2007)
19.48 (2007)
Guns in Venezuela[78] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-78)
10.7


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Flag_of_El_Salvador.svg/23px-Flag_of_El_Salvador.svg.png El Salvador (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Salvador)
45.6
(2011)
26.49 (2013)
0.13 (2009)
0.15 (1999)
unavailable
Guns in El Salvador[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-20)
5.8


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Flag_of_Swaziland.svg/23px-Flag_of_Swaziland.svg.png Swaziland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swaziland)
37.16
(incomplete)
37.16 (2004)
unavailable
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Swaziland[67] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-67)
6.4


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Flag_of_Guatemala.svg/23px-Flag_of_Guatemala.svg.png Guatemala (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala)
34.10
(mixed years)
29.62 (2013)
0.34 (2009)
1.33 (2009)
2.81 (2009)
Guns in Guatemala[28] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-28)
13.1


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Flag_of_Jamaica.svg/23px-Flag_of_Jamaica.svg.png Jamaica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica)
30.72
(incomplete)
30.38 (2013)
0.34 (1995)
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Jamaica[38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-38)
8.1


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Flag_of_Colombia.svg/23px-Flag_of_Colombia.svg.png Colombia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia)
25.94
(mixed years)
23.93 (2013)
0.87 (2009)
0.11 (2009)
1.03 (2009)
Guns in Colombia[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-14)
5.9


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/05/Flag_of_Brazil.svg/22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png Brazil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil)
21.2
(2014)
19.99 (2014)
0.45 (2014)
0.18 (2014)
0.59 (2014)
Mapa da Violência 2016[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-10)
8


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Flag_of_Panama.svg/23px-Flag_of_Panama.svg.png Panama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama)
15.11
(mixed years)
14.36 (2013)
0.57 (2009)
0.06 (2002)
0.12 (2009)
Guns in Panama[52] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-52)
21.7


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Flag_of_Uruguay.svg/23px-Flag_of_Uruguay.svg.png Uruguay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay)
11.52
(mixed years)
4.78 (2013)
4.68 (2009)
2.00 (2009)
0.06 (2009)
Guns in Uruguay[77] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-77)
31.8


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)
10.54
(2014)
3.60 (2014)
6.30 (2014)
0.18 (2014)
0.08 (2014)
Guns in United States[76] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-76)
112.6


Montenegro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegro)
8.91
(incomplete)
2.42 (2011)
6.49 (2009)
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Montenegro[47] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-47)
23.1


Philippines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines)
8.90
(incomplete)
8.90 (2003)
unavailable
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Philippines[55] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-55)
4.7


South Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa)
8.3
(2010)
8.2 (2010)
0.1 (2010)
0.02 (1999)
0.11 (1999)
Guns in South Africa[64] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-64)
12.7


Paraguay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguay)
7.76
(mixed years)
5.78 (2013)
1.16 (2009)
0.30 (2009)
0.52 (2009)
Guns in Paraguay[53] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-53)
17


Mexico (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico)
7.64
(mixed years)
6.34 (2015)
0.44 (2014)
0.40 (2014)
0.46 (2014)
Guns in Mexico[45] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-45)
15


Costa Rica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica)
7.50
(mixed years)
5.92 (2013)
1.27 (2002)
0.07 (2002)
0.24 (2000)
Guns in Costa Rica[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-15)
9.9


Argentina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina)
6.36
(2009)
2.58 (2012)
1.57 (2009)
0.05 (2009)
2.57 (2009)
Guns in Argentina[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-2)
10.2


Peru (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru)
5.53
(mixed years)
4.22 (2013)
0.07 (2009)
0.93 (2007)
0.31 (2007)
Guns in Peru[54] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-54)
18.8


Nicaragua (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua)
4.68
(mixed years)
3.72 (2012)
0.34 (2010)
0.16 (2010)
0.46 (2010)
Guns in Nicaragua[50] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-50)
7.7


Serbia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia)
3.49
(2012)
0.61 (2012)
2.49 (2012)
0.14 (2012)
0.29 (2012)
Guns in Serbia[60] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-60)
75.6


Finland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland)
3.25
(2013)
0.32 (2012)
2.94 (2013)
0.02 (2011)
0.02 (2010)
Guns in Finland[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-22)[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-23)
27.5


Barbados (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados)
3.12
(incomplete)
3.12 (2013)
unavailable
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Barbados[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-6)
7.8


Switzerland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland)
3.01
(mixed years)
0.21 (2015)
2.74 (2013)
0.04 (2013)
0.09 (2013)
Gun laws in Switzerland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland)[69] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-69)
24.45


France (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)
2.83
(2012)
0.21 (2012)
2.16 (2012)
0.04 (2012)
0.41 (2012)
Guns in France[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-24)
31.2


Croatia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia)
2.68
(2012)
0.40 (2012)
2.37 (2012)
0.05 (2012)
0.02 (2010)
Guns in Croatia[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-16)
21.7


Estonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia)
2.67
(2012)
0.15 (2012)
2.11 (2012)
0.15 (2011)
0.30 (2012)
Guns in Estonia[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-21)
9.2


Slovenia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenia)
2.64
(mixed years)
0.20 (2012)
2.34 (2010)
0.05 (2009)
0.05 (2010)
Guns in Slovenia[63] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-63)
13.5


Austria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria)
2.63
(2011)
0.10 (2011)
2.43 (2011)
0.01 (2009)
0.04 (2011)
Guns in Austria[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-4)
30.4


Israel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel)
2.09
(2011)
1.04 (2011)
0.67 (2011)
0.05 (2011)
0.26 (2011)
Guns in Israel[36] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-36)
7.3


Czech Republic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic)
2.01
(2012)
0.15 (2012)
1.66 (2012)
0.09 (2012)
0.13 (2012)
Guns in Czech Republic[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-18)
16.3


Georgia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country))
1.98
(mixed years)
0.49 (2010)
0.09 (2009)
1.00 (2009)
0.40 (2010)
Guns in Georgia[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-25)
7.3


Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)
1.97
(mixed years)
0.38 (2013)
1.52 (2011)
0.05 (2011)
0.02 (2011)
Statistics Canada [12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-12)
30.8


Turkey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey)
1.95
(mixed years)
1.03 (2016)
0.81 (2013)
0.11 (2016)
0.01 (2016)
Mixed sources [71] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-71)[72] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-72)[73] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-73)
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Chile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile)
1.95
(mixed years)
1.02 (2011)
0.81 (2009)
0.08 (2009)
0.04 (2001)
Guns in Chile[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-13)
10.7


Cyprus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus)
1.87
(mixed years)
1.05 (2012)
0.58 (2011)
0.12 (2009)
0.12 (2010)
Guns in Cyprus[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-17)
36.4


Slovakia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovakia)
1.83
(mixed years)
0.26 (2012)
0.94 (2010)
0.39 (2010)
0.24 (2010)
Guns in Slovakia[62] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-62)
8.3


Belgium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium)
1.82
(2010)
0.33 (2010)
1.33 (2010)
0.02 (2010)
0.14 (2010)
Guns in Belgium[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-8)
17.2


Norway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway)
1.75
(2012)
0.10 (2012)
1.63 (2012)
0.02 (2012)
0.00 (2008)
Guns in Norway[51] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-51)
31.3


Bulgaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria)
1.71
(2012)
0.34 (2012)
0.97 (2012)
0.23 (2012)
0.10 (2012)
Guns in Bulgaria[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-11)
6.2


Macedonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Macedonia)
1.69
(mixed years)
0.91 (2011)
0.63 (2010)
0.15 (2010)
0.00 (1997)
Guns in Macedonia[44] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-44)
?


Portugal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal)
1.58
(mixed years)
0.42 (2012)
1.01 (2011)
0.03 (2011)
0.12 (2011)
Guns in Portugal[57] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-57)
8.5


Greece (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece)
1.52
(2011)
0.53 (2011)
0.86 (2011)
0.06 (2011)
0.00 (1998)
Guns in Greece[27] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-27)
22.5


Sweden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden)
1.47
(2010)
0.19 (2010)
1.20 (2010)
0.06 (2010)
0.01 (2010)
Guns in Sweden[68] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-68)
31.6


Latvia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvia)
1.43
(2010)
0.18 (2010)
0.94 (2010)
0.04 (2010)
0.27 (2010)
Guns in Latvia[42] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-42)
19


Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy)
1.31
(2010)
0.35 (2010)
0.87 (2010)
0.09 (2010)
0.02 (2010)
Guns in Italy[37] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-37)
11.9


Denmark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark)
1.28
(2011)
0.22 (2011)
1.09 (2011)
0.04 (2008)
0.02 (2010)
Guns in Denmark[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-19)
12


Iceland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland)
1.25
(incomplete)
0.00 (2012)
1.25 (2009)
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Iceland[32] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-32)
30.3


Luxembourg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg)
1.19
(2011)
0.00 (2011)
1.16 (2011)
0.22 (2004)
0.39 (2010)
Guns in Luxembourg[43] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-43)
15.3


New Zealand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand)
1.07
(mixed years)
0.18 (2013)
0.84 (2011)
0.05 (2010)
0.00 (2010)
Guns in New Zealand[49] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-49)
22.6


Moldova (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova)
1.03
(2011)
0.45 (2011)
0.42 (2011)
0.08 (2011)
0.08 (2011)
Guns in Moldova[46] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-46)
7.1


Kyrgyzstan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyzstan)
1.01
(2010)
0.53 (2010)
0.07 (2010)
0.28 (2010)
0.13 (2010)
Guns in Kyrgyzstan[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-41)
0.9


Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany)
1.01
(2012)
0.07 (2012)
0.84 (2012)
0.01 (2012)
0.08 (2012)
Guns in Germany[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-26)
30.3


Hungary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary)
0.95
(2012)
0.11 (2012)
0.81 (2012)
0.02 (2012)
0.02 (2012)
Guns in Hungary[31] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-31)
5.5


Australia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia)
0.93
(2013)
0.16 (2013)
0.74 (2013)
0.02 (2013)
0.02 (2013)
Guns in Australia[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-3)
21.7


Taiwan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan)
0.87
(mixed years)
0.60 (2008)
0.12 (1994)
0.11 (1994)
0.04 (1994)
Guns in Taiwan[70] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-70)
?


Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland)
0.8
(2012)
0.25 (2012)
0.28 (2012)
0.08 (2012)
unavailable
Guns in Ireland[35] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-35)
3.89


Bolivia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivia)
0.74
(incomplete)
0.74 (2010)
unavailable
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Bolivia[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-9)
2.8


Spain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain)
0.62
(mixed years)
0.15 (2010)
0.42 (2010)
0.05 (2010)
0.00 (2007)
Guns in Spain[66] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-66)
10.4


Netherlands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands)
0.58
(2011)
0.29 (2011)
0.28 (2011)
0.01 (2010)
0.01 (2010)
Guns in Netherlands[48] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-48)
3.9


Zimbabwe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe)
0.39
(mixed years)
0.3 (2007)
0.09 (1995)
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Zimbabwe[79] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-79)
4.6


Kuwait (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait)
0.36
(mixed years)
0.36 (1995)
0.00 (1999)
0.00 (2000)
0.00 (2000)
Guns in Kuwait[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-40)
24.8


Azerbaijan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan)
0.30
(incomplete)
0.27 (2010)
0.01 (2007)
0.02 (2007)
unavailable
Guns in Azerbaijan[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-5)
3.5


India (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India)
0.28
(2014)
0.30 (2009)
0.14 (2008)
0.04 (2008)
unavailable
Guns in India[33] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-33)[34] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-34)
4.2


Poland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland)
0.26
(2011)
0.04 (2011)
0.09 (2011)
0.03 (2011)
0.10 (2011)
Guns in Poland[56] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-56)
1.3


Ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine)
0.24
(incomplete)
0.24 (2009)
unavailable
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Ukraine[74] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-74)
6.6


United Kingdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom)
0.23
(2011)
0.06 (2011)
0.15 (2011)
0.00 (2011)
0.02 (2011)
Guns in the United Kingdom[75] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-75)
6.6


Belarus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus)
0.23
(incomplete)
0.14 (2009)
unavailable
0.09 (1996)
unavailable
Guns in Belarus[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-7)
7.3


Singapore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore)
0.16
(mixed years)
0.02 (2006)
0.12 (1998)
0.02 (1998)
0.00 (1998)
Guns in Singapore[61] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-61)
0.5


Qatar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar)
0.15
(incomplete)
0.15 (2004)
unavailable
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Qatar[58] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-58)
19.2


Romania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania)
0.14
(mixed years)
0.04 (2012)
0.06 (2011)
0.04 (2011)
0.00 (2011)
Guns in Romania[59] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-59)
0.7


South Korea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea)
0.08
(mixed years)
0.02 (2011)
0.04 (2002)
0.01 (2002)
0.01 (2002)
Guns in South Korea[65] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-65)
1.1


Japan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan)
0.06
(mixed years)
0.00 (2008)
0.04 (1999)
0.01 (1999)
0.01 (1999)
Guns in Japan[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-39)
0.6


Hong Kong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong)
0.03
(mixed years)
0.00 (2004)
0.03 (1999)
0.00 (1996)
0.00 (1996)
Guns in Hong Kong[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-30)
?


Country
Total
Method of Calculation
Homicides
Suicides
Unintentional
Undetermined
Sources and notes
Guns per 100 hab



I don't know if it means anything or not but USA does have the most guns per 100 of any other country.

I guess draw your conclusions or more likely there is no conclusion to be drawn

[questner]

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-history.html

"According to a new study, more public mass shootings occur in the U.S. than in any other country in the world"..

In my opinion, it is a social issue. It is a wish to harm other people, a way to settle any argument by a bullet.

I just recently finished watching a documentary (2017) on PBS on Vietnam War. 2 million of Vietnamese, mostly civilians, lost their lives in the conflict.

As a first step I would like to see the US stop killing civilians indiscriminately around the world.

However, sadly no such amendment in the Constitution.

[greydread]

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate.jpg)

Looks like with the exception of Bolivia, the entire Western Hemisphere is an easy place to get shot.

[j_d66]

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-history.html

"According to a new study, more public mass shootings occur in the U.S. than in any other country in the world"..

In my opinion, it is a social issue. It is a wish to harm other people, a way to settle any argument by a bullet.

I just recently finished watching a documentary (2017) on PBS on Vietnam War. 2 million of Vietnamese, mostly civilians, lost their lives in the conflict.

As a first step I would like to see the US stop killing civilians indiscriminately around the world.

However, sadly no such amendment in the Constitution.

Wow the USA is sadly well represented on that list



Rank
Mass Shooting Location
Victims


1
Norway, Oslo/Utoeya (2011)
77


2
USA, Las Vegas (2017)
59


3
USA, Orlando, Florida (2016)
49


4
Australia, Port Arthur (1996)
35


5
USA, Blacksburg, Virginia (2007)
32


6
USA, Newtown, Connecticut (2012)
27


7
USA, Killeen, Texas (1991)
23


8
USA, San Ysidro, California (1984)
21


9
Brazil (1997)
17


10
Scotland, Dunblane (1996)
17


11
Germany, Erfurt (2002)
16


12
England, Hungerford (1987)
16


13
USA, Austin, Texas (1966)
16


14
Germany, Winnenden (2009)
15


15
Switzerland, Zug (2001)
14


16
USA, Edmond, Oklahoma (1986)
14


17
New Zealand, Aramoana (1990)
13


18
USA, Fort Hood, Texas (2009)
13


19
USA, Littleton, Colorado (1999)
13


20
USA, Binhampton, New York (2009)
13


21
France, Toulon (1995)
13


22
USA, Aurora, Texas (2012)
12


23
Azerbaijan, Baku (2009)
12


24
USA, Atlanta, Georgia (1999)
12


25
USA, Jacksonville, Florida (1990)
10


26
Finland, Kauhajok (2008)
10


27
USA, Alabama (2009)
10


28
USA, Red Lake, Minnesota (2005)
9


29
USA, Los Angeles, California (2008)
9


30
Canada, Montreal (1989)
9


31
France, Nanterre (2002)
8


32
Finland, Tuusula (2007)
8


33
Japan, Osaka (2001)
8


34
USA, Fullerton, California (1976)
7

[whynotme]

An interesting chart but can't really make much sense of it or really draw conclusions from it
I guess it shows firearm related deaths per 100,000 people



its designed for those that don't like to read or that ride the short bus :corky:

I liked it:rofl:

and it puts things in perspective with the rest of the world................ the bigger the circle the more gun deaths ugg
the usa is five times higher than Canada but 65% less than some of the other countries

[Jimmydr]

With the proliferation of media in our society these things likely are not going to stop as it gives these people more than 15 minutes of fame.

It makes me wonder what drove this guy to commit such a horrible act.

I am all for someone having guns for their own protection or for sporting purposes but not at the level or type that this guy had.

There is no valid reason for any civilian to be able to own the types and number of weapons this guy had and it sounds like he purchased all of them legally.

IMO there needs to be some changes in regards to the laws of gun ownership with the number of and types of weapons a civilian can own.

Not even the NRA should support laws that allow people to own weapons in this manner.

Let's see if our do nothing Congress will have the courage to do something about it. Odds are they won't


1,500 mass shootings since 2012.

[greydread]

Quote the Outlaw Josey Wales: "Dying ain't much of a living, Boy".

Life in the USA is turning into a Western movie. You can watch 100 people die on TV every night but flash 1 tit-tay and the whole f'ing country is in an uproar.

There's a lot more wrong here than a few isolated nut cases. The collective American psyche is more accepting of violent death than casual sex.

Hustling backwards...

[Hunter]

Quote the Outlaw Josey Wales: "Dying ain't much of a living, Boy".

Life in the USA is turning into a Western movie. You can watch 100 people die on TV every night but flash 1 tit-tay and the whole f'ing country is in an uproar.

There's a lot more wrong here than a few isolated nut cases. The collective American psyche is more accepting of violent death than casual sex.

Hustling backwards...

You really become numb to them.....Just another one and there will be more....I dont get upset really anymore....totally numb.

[MrHappy]

An interesting chart but can't really make much sense of it or really draw conclusions from it
I guess it shows firearm related deaths per 100,000 people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


I don't know if it means anything or not but USA does have the most guns per 100 of any other country.

I guess draw your conclusions or more likely there is no conclusion to be drawn


Hmm.... maybe the answer is tax the living daylights out of the sale of guns, and have folks pay taxes on every gun they own every year.

Wanna have guns? Fine. Pay taxes for them like booze and cigarettes

[Jimmydr]

Hmm.... maybe the answer is tax the living daylights out of the sale of guns, and have folks pay taxes on every gun they own every year.

Wanna have guns? Fine. Pay taxes for them like booze and cigarettes


So the guys going on shooting sprees will care about higher taxes?

[Happyhorn]

The 1st hint he was crazy, was a rich guy from Vegas with a 62 year old Filipino girlfriend.

[greydread]

Nevermind Papi, it was wishful thinking on my part.

I'm assuming the "discussion" you refer to, is about yet more gun control laws, correct? Call your buddy Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago. Ask him how all those tough as nails gun laws in his city are working out.

Oh, and blame the NRA. Can't leave them out of the discussion. That heinous organization is to blame for every mass shooting in America, right?
What in the ever-loving Fuck does the issue of a madman using an outdoor concert venue as a killing box after hauling dozens of weapons and thousands of rounds to a high rise hotel and shooting the shit out of hundreds of innocent people have to do with Rahm Emanuel or Chicago or whatever that whole pocket full of deflection was all about?

The natural fact is that while total gun restriction is against the spirit of the law as stated in the 2nd amendment there is still room for some common sense application of that article of the Bill of Rights. Any weapon which can be converted into a weapon of mass destruction (yeah, over 500 shot in one sitting is Mass Destruction) should be banned. This will have absolutely zero effect upon hunters and competition shooters.

The rifles bought by this particular deranged individual were "legal" but the modifications which he made to those weapons were highly illegal. Those modifications aren't an option for bolt or lever action rifles so they should be exempted from any ban as long as the potential owner can pass an adequate background check.

The NRA operates under the assumption that any gun law is a bad law. I beg to differ (which is why I un-joined the NRA). Common sense should always be applied to regulation and with all these deaths and injuries in the past decades attributable to military knockoff style weapons, they should be removed from the inventory in favor of common mothafucking sense. If you need an HK416 for personal protection then you're obviously living wrong.

[Mr. Smooth]

What a fucking joke you are. As if your post wasn't already highly political in itself.

BTW Rahm Emanuel isn't my "buddy", I have never met the guy.

You also don't need to assume anything, I am quite capable of expressing my own opinion and I don't need you putting words in my mouth. Try to show just a tiny bit of intelectual integrity and react (or not) to what I post, not some assumption you pull out of your ass.

Ooohhh.....a little touchy are we? You've been the biggest clown on this board when it comes to assuming (wrongly....as usual) what someone else posts, particularly when you disagree and put your words into their mouth based upon your own misinterpretation.

I was hoping the politics could be set aside for a bit until the victims were buried, but as I said, wishful thinking on my part as the Dems and their lapdog media mavens already got out front and center and politicized the tragedy. Fucking political grandstanding at it's finest.

You think I pull my assumptions out of my ass? Why don't you pull your head out of yours?

[Mr. Smooth]

What in the ever-loving Fuck does the issue of a madman using an outdoor concert venue as a killing box after hauling dozens of weapons and thousands of rounds to a high rise hotel and shooting the shit out of hundreds of innocent people have to do with Rahm Emanuel or Chicago or whatever that whole pocket full of deflection was all about?

The natural fact is that while total gun restriction is against the spirit of the law as stated in the 2nd amendment there is still room for some common sense application of that article of the Bill of Rights. Any weapon which can be converted into a weapon of mass destruction (yeah, over 500 shot in one sitting is Mass Destruction) should be banned. This will have absolutely zero effect upon hunters and competition shooters.

The rifles bought by this particular deranged individual were "legal" but the modifications which he made to those weapons were highly illegal. Those modifications aren't an option for bolt or lever action rifles so they should be exempted from any ban as long as the potential owner can pass an adequate background check.

The NRA operates under the assumption that any gun law is a bad law. I beg to differ (which is why I un-joined the NRA). Common sense should always be applied to regulation and with all these deaths and injuries in the past decades attributable to military knockoff style weapons, they should be removed from the inventory in favor of common mothafucking sense. If you need an HK416 for personal protection then you're obviously living wrong.

Grey, you make some sense here. But in truth, all guns could be described as assault weapons. It only takes one bullet after all to take a life.

I brought up Chicago because of this very fact. No deflection whatsoever. Rahm Emanuel likes to say his city has the toughest gun laws in the country. Well, how does that square with the murder rate in his city? Not very good. The reason? Because a person bent on criminal intent does not care about what laws he is breaking and his behavior in that regard cannot be legislated by a bunch of politicians who want to pat themselves on the back for passing yet another gun law.

A criminal, in the case of the murder rate in Chicago as an example, does not fear the consequences of his actions, he is only concerned with retribution and settling some score. The aftermath is for others to worry about.

With this horrific tragedy in LV, this guy passed whatever legal background checks that were necessary in order to purchase his weapons. I don't know if he was crazy, he obviously knew what he was doing and how to carry it out, he mounted cameras outside his room door so he could see when LE was coming. He had to have had some weapons training somewhere and/or knowledge of various weapons accessories. I just can't figure out with all the surveillance in a major hotel casino, no one said anything or noticed any abnormal behavior about the guy. But LE has said up to this point in their investigation the killer did not fit into any profile that would lead to him being responsible for something like this tragedy. Maybe as time goes on, additional factors will become known to change that view beyond the conspiracy theorists.

But the bottom line is, just as with a thug in Chicago killing someone with a Saturday Night Special, this guy had a criminal and murderous intent when he aimed his weapon(s) out the window into that crowd. The countless number of illegal violations of the law, gun related or not, were no deterrent to the act he was hellbent on perpetrating.

And any new gun law legislation that get debated in the wake of this Vegas massacre and signed into law won't stop the criminal mind from inflicting whatever evil is in his heart.

[PapiQueRico]

What in the ever-loving Fuck does the issue of a madman using an outdoor concert venue as a killing box after hauling dozens of weapons and thousands of rounds to a high rise hotel and shooting the shit out of hundreds of innocent people have to do with Rahm Emanuel or Chicago or whatever that whole pocket full of deflection was all about?

The natural fact is that while total gun restriction is against the spirit of the law as stated in the 2nd amendment there is still room for some common sense application of that article of the Bill of Rights. Any weapon which can be converted into a weapon of mass destruction (yeah, over 500 shot in one sitting is Mass Destruction) should be banned. This will have absolutely zero effect upon hunters and competition shooters.

The rifles bought by this particular deranged individual were "legal" but the modifications which he made to those weapons were highly illegal. Those modifications aren't an option for bolt or lever action rifles so they should be exempted from any ban as long as the potential owner can pass an adequate background check.

The NRA operates under the assumption that any gun law is a bad law. I beg to differ (which is why I un-joined the NRA). Common sense should always be applied to regulation and with all these deaths and injuries in the past decades attributable to military knockoff style weapons, they should be removed from the inventory in favor of common mothafucking sense. If you need an HK416 for personal protection then you're obviously living wrong.

Chicago is just a dog whistle for some "very fine people."

[PapiQueRico]

Ooohhh.....a little touchy are we? You've been the biggest clown on this board when it comes to assuming (wrongly....as usual) what someone else posts, particularly when you disagree and put your words into their mouth based upon your own misinterpretation.

I was hoping the politics could be set aside for a bit until the victims were buried, but as I said, wishful thinking on my part as the Dems and their lapdog media mavens already got out front and center and politicized the tragedy. Fucking political grandstanding at it's finest.

You think I pull my assumptions out of my ass? Why don't you pull your head out of yours?

Talk about touchy?? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

And it is only the left that politicizes this issue right?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/las-vegas-shooting-second-amendment_us_59d3a3cae4b0f962988a1bbb?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Smooth it seems more and more lately your posts are more about trolling me than any discussion of issues. That's fine, you can express whatever you want. Your obsession is kind of creepy though.

[greydread]

Grey, you make some sense here. But in truth, all guns could be described as assault weapons. It only takes one bullet after all to take a life.

I brought up Chicago because of this very fact. No deflection whatsoever. Rahm Emanuel likes to say his city has the toughest gun laws in the country. Well, how does that square with the murder rate in his city? Not very good. The reason? Because a person bent on criminal intent does not care about what laws he is breaking and his behavior in that regard cannot be legislated by a bunch of politicians who want to pat themselves on the back for passing yet another gun law.

A criminal, in the case of the murder rate in Chicago as an example, does not fear the consequences of his actions, he is only concerned with retribution and settling some score. The aftermath is for others to worry about.

With this horrific tragedy in LV, this guy passed whatever legal background checks that were necessary in order to purchase his weapons. I don't know if he was crazy, he obviously knew what he was doing and how to carry it out, he mounted cameras outside his room door so he could see when LE was coming. He had to have had some weapons training somewhere and/or knowledge of various weapons accessories. I just can't figure out with all the surveillance in a major hotel casino, no one said anything or noticed any abnormal behavior about the guy. But LE has said up to this point in their investigation the killer did not fit into any profile that would lead to him being responsible for something like this tragedy. Maybe as time goes on, additional factors will become known to change that view beyond the conspiracy theorists.

But the bottom line is, just as with a thug in Chicago killing someone with a Saturday Night Special, this guy had a criminal and murderous intent when he aimed his weapon(s) out the window into that crowd. The countless number of illegal violations of the law, gun related or not, were no deterrent to the act he was hellbent on perpetrating.

And any new gun law legislation that get debated in the wake of this Vegas massacre and signed into law won't stop the criminal mind from inflicting whatever evil is in his heart.
The "criminal mind"? The guy was 64 years old with no record of criminality in his past. I am 63 and I have never woke up and thought "Fuck it, I feel like shooting 500 complete strangers who have done no harm to me" and I am a gun guy and have collected and bought and sold firearms all my life.

LE has stated that this mass murderer doesn't fit the profile? His own Brother stated that he "wasn't a gun guy". He probably got his "weapons training" from YouTube. When you buy the full automatic conversion kit there are step-by-step instructions on how to install it and videos galore.

Chicago as mentioned in this discussion is very much, merely a deflection from the real problem which is the availability of the type of weapon which can be converted to full automatic operation. Even in the original semi-automatic configuration these are hardly hunting or sporting weapons. Why would any civilian require a rifle that spits out bullets as fast as one can pull the trigger? Even with a hippo charging at me at 35 mph I can get off two or three shots from my bolt action Win model 270 which has been end of many a white tail buck.

Chicago's problem is gangs, not guns. Gangs are a phenomenon resulting from failed social structures such as large cities where leadership and law enforcement are an entrepreneurial endeavor. The sheeple who buy into the notion of "get rid of the guns, get rid of the crime" are looking to oversimplify the problem and they will never find solutions with that approach. It's like treating a skin rash to fight the kidney disease that caused it. "Get rid of the poverty, get rid of the crime" is a much more effective approach. People who are working to improve their economic reality don't have time for guns or gangs....but that is another discussion for another day....

Back in 2009 when the Justice Department stated that America's greatest threat was not from Jihadists or Foreigners of any kind but from Domestic Terrorists the right wing nuts almost lost their minds. That was a conversation which the right wing-nuts weren't ready to have as visions of hunting down and killing "evil furriners" left over from the Bush era dogma danced in their heads. Since that time the reality of this situation is that domestic terrorism IS the greatest threat to Americans and the profile starts with White, Christian, Male. Anyone not willing to face that reality and enter into serious discussion leaving their dead-wrong dogma behind and willing to accept factual evidence should avoid the conversation altogether because the problem with living in a fantasy construct is that reality isn't going anywhere and sooner or later it will need to be dealt with.

America's gun crime problem goes a lot deeper than access to firearms, straight to the core of the American social value system where some lives are worth more than others and genocide and official misconduct such as non-judicial executions are considered necessary evil for the greater good. Until this mind set is properly dealt with and altered, this country will continue to slide into mayhem and anarchy.

Off topic note: Last week some republican congressional yahoo made a statement about the NFL protest "If they disrespected the flag in North Korea, they'd be shot down in the streets by the police". I swear to God, I screamed at the TV "Hey Fool! Being shot down in the streets by the police is exactly what the protest is about!". We're either going to turn the corner on the evil that affects our society together or none of us will make it out. America's tribal war must end.

[Maretti]

I don't see Cuba on that list!


An interesting chart but can't really make much sense of it or really draw conclusions from it
I guess it shows firearm related deaths per 100,000 people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Even the other chart



Country
Total
Method of Calculation
Homicides
Suicides
Unintentional
Undetermined
Sources and notes
Guns per 100 inhabitants


Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Flag_of_Honduras.svg/23px-Flag_of_Honduras.svg.png) Honduras (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honduras)
67.18
(incomplete)
66.64 (2013)
0.41 (2013)
0.13 (2013)
unavailable
Guns in Honduras[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-29)
6.2


Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Flag_of_Venezuela.svg/23px-Flag_of_Venezuela.svg.png) Venezuela (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela)
59.13
(mixed years)
39.00 (2009)
0.48 (2007)
0.17 (2007)
19.48 (2007)
Guns in Venezuela[78] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-78)
10.7


Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Flag_of_El_Salvador.svg/23px-Flag_of_El_Salvador.svg.png) El Salvador (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Salvador)
45.6
(2011)
26.49 (2013)
0.13 (2009)
0.15 (1999)
unavailable
Guns in El Salvador[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-20)
5.8


Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Flag_of_Swaziland.svg/23px-Flag_of_Swaziland.svg.png) Swaziland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swaziland)
37.16
(incomplete)
37.16 (2004)
unavailable
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Swaziland[67] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-67)
6.4


Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Flag_of_Guatemala.svg/23px-Flag_of_Guatemala.svg.png) Guatemala (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala)
34.10
(mixed years)
29.62 (2013)
0.34 (2009)
1.33 (2009)
2.81 (2009)
Guns in Guatemala[28] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-28)
13.1


Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Flag_of_Jamaica.svg/23px-Flag_of_Jamaica.svg.png) Jamaica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica)
30.72
(incomplete)
30.38 (2013)
0.34 (1995)
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Jamaica[38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-38)
8.1


Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Flag_of_Colombia.svg/23px-Flag_of_Colombia.svg.png) Colombia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia)
25.94
(mixed years)
23.93 (2013)
0.87 (2009)
0.11 (2009)
1.03 (2009)
Guns in Colombia[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-14)
5.9


Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/05/Flag_of_Brazil.svg/22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png) Brazil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil)
21.2
(2014)
19.99 (2014)
0.45 (2014)
0.18 (2014)
0.59 (2014)
Mapa da Violência 2016[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-10)
8


Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Flag_of_Panama.svg/23px-Flag_of_Panama.svg.png) Panama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama)
15.11
(mixed years)
14.36 (2013)
0.57 (2009)
0.06 (2002)
0.12 (2009)
Guns in Panama[52] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-52)
21.7


Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Flag_of_Uruguay.svg/23px-Flag_of_Uruguay.svg.png) Uruguay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay)
11.52
(mixed years)
4.78 (2013)
4.68 (2009)
2.00 (2009)
0.06 (2009)
Guns in Uruguay[77] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-77)
31.8


Click to see pic (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png) United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)
10.54
(2014)
3.60 (2014)
6.30 (2014)
0.18 (2014)
0.08 (2014)
Guns in United States[76] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-76)
112.6


Montenegro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegro)
8.91
(incomplete)
2.42 (2011)
6.49 (2009)
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Montenegro[47] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-47)
23.1


Philippines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines)
8.90
(incomplete)
8.90 (2003)
unavailable
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Philippines[55] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-55)
4.7


South Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa)
8.3
(2010)
8.2 (2010)
0.1 (2010)
0.02 (1999)
0.11 (1999)
Guns in South Africa[64] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-64)
12.7


Paraguay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguay)
7.76
(mixed years)
5.78 (2013)
1.16 (2009)
0.30 (2009)
0.52 (2009)
Guns in Paraguay[53] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-53)
17


Mexico (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico)
7.64
(mixed years)
6.34 (2015)
0.44 (2014)
0.40 (2014)
0.46 (2014)
Guns in Mexico[45] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-45)
15


Costa Rica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica)
7.50
(mixed years)
5.92 (2013)
1.27 (2002)
0.07 (2002)
0.24 (2000)
Guns in Costa Rica[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-15)
9.9


Argentina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina)
6.36
(2009)
2.58 (2012)
1.57 (2009)
0.05 (2009)
2.57 (2009)
Guns in Argentina[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-2)
10.2


Peru (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru)
5.53
(mixed years)
4.22 (2013)
0.07 (2009)
0.93 (2007)
0.31 (2007)
Guns in Peru[54] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-54)
18.8


Nicaragua (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua)
4.68
(mixed years)
3.72 (2012)
0.34 (2010)
0.16 (2010)
0.46 (2010)
Guns in Nicaragua[50] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-50)
7.7


Serbia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia)
3.49
(2012)
0.61 (2012)
2.49 (2012)
0.14 (2012)
0.29 (2012)
Guns in Serbia[60] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-60)
75.6


Finland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland)
3.25
(2013)
0.32 (2012)
2.94 (2013)
0.02 (2011)
0.02 (2010)
Guns in Finland[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-22)[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-23)
27.5


Barbados (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados)
3.12
(incomplete)
3.12 (2013)
unavailable
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Barbados[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-6)
7.8


Switzerland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland)
3.01
(mixed years)
0.21 (2015)
2.74 (2013)
0.04 (2013)
0.09 (2013)
Gun laws in Switzerland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland)[69] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-69)
24.45


France (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)
2.83
(2012)
0.21 (2012)
2.16 (2012)
0.04 (2012)
0.41 (2012)
Guns in France[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-24)
31.2


Croatia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia)
2.68
(2012)
0.40 (2012)
2.37 (2012)
0.05 (2012)
0.02 (2010)
Guns in Croatia[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-16)
21.7


Estonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia)
2.67
(2012)
0.15 (2012)
2.11 (2012)
0.15 (2011)
0.30 (2012)
Guns in Estonia[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-21)
9.2


Slovenia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenia)
2.64
(mixed years)
0.20 (2012)
2.34 (2010)
0.05 (2009)
0.05 (2010)
Guns in Slovenia[63] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-63)
13.5


Austria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria)
2.63
(2011)
0.10 (2011)
2.43 (2011)
0.01 (2009)
0.04 (2011)
Guns in Austria[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-4)
30.4


Israel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel)
2.09
(2011)
1.04 (2011)
0.67 (2011)
0.05 (2011)
0.26 (2011)
Guns in Israel[36] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-36)
7.3


Czech Republic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic)
2.01
(2012)
0.15 (2012)
1.66 (2012)
0.09 (2012)
0.13 (2012)
Guns in Czech Republic[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-18)
16.3


Georgia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country))
1.98
(mixed years)
0.49 (2010)
0.09 (2009)
1.00 (2009)
0.40 (2010)
Guns in Georgia[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-25)
7.3


Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)
1.97
(mixed years)
0.38 (2013)
1.52 (2011)
0.05 (2011)
0.02 (2011)
Statistics Canada [12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-12)
30.8


Turkey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey)
1.95
(mixed years)
1.03 (2016)
0.81 (2013)
0.11 (2016)
0.01 (2016)
Mixed sources [71] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-71)[72] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-72)[73] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-73)
?


Chile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile)
1.95
(mixed years)
1.02 (2011)
0.81 (2009)
0.08 (2009)
0.04 (2001)
Guns in Chile[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-13)
10.7


Cyprus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus)
1.87
(mixed years)
1.05 (2012)
0.58 (2011)
0.12 (2009)
0.12 (2010)
Guns in Cyprus[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-17)
36.4


Slovakia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovakia)
1.83
(mixed years)
0.26 (2012)
0.94 (2010)
0.39 (2010)
0.24 (2010)
Guns in Slovakia[62] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-62)
8.3


Belgium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium)
1.82
(2010)
0.33 (2010)
1.33 (2010)
0.02 (2010)
0.14 (2010)
Guns in Belgium[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-8)
17.2


Norway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway)
1.75
(2012)
0.10 (2012)
1.63 (2012)
0.02 (2012)
0.00 (2008)
Guns in Norway[51] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-51)
31.3


Bulgaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria)
1.71
(2012)
0.34 (2012)
0.97 (2012)
0.23 (2012)
0.10 (2012)
Guns in Bulgaria[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-11)
6.2


Macedonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Macedonia)
1.69
(mixed years)
0.91 (2011)
0.63 (2010)
0.15 (2010)
0.00 (1997)
Guns in Macedonia[44] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-44)
?


Portugal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal)
1.58
(mixed years)
0.42 (2012)
1.01 (2011)
0.03 (2011)
0.12 (2011)
Guns in Portugal[57] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-57)
8.5


Greece (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece)
1.52
(2011)
0.53 (2011)
0.86 (2011)
0.06 (2011)
0.00 (1998)
Guns in Greece[27] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-27)
22.5


Sweden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden)
1.47
(2010)
0.19 (2010)
1.20 (2010)
0.06 (2010)
0.01 (2010)
Guns in Sweden[68] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-68)
31.6


Latvia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvia)
1.43
(2010)
0.18 (2010)
0.94 (2010)
0.04 (2010)
0.27 (2010)
Guns in Latvia[42] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-42)
19


Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy)
1.31
(2010)
0.35 (2010)
0.87 (2010)
0.09 (2010)
0.02 (2010)
Guns in Italy[37] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-37)
11.9


Denmark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark)
1.28
(2011)
0.22 (2011)
1.09 (2011)
0.04 (2008)
0.02 (2010)
Guns in Denmark[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-19)
12


Iceland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland)
1.25
(incomplete)
0.00 (2012)
1.25 (2009)
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Iceland[32] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-32)
30.3


Luxembourg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg)
1.19
(2011)
0.00 (2011)
1.16 (2011)
0.22 (2004)
0.39 (2010)
Guns in Luxembourg[43] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-43)
15.3


New Zealand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand)
1.07
(mixed years)
0.18 (2013)
0.84 (2011)
0.05 (2010)
0.00 (2010)
Guns in New Zealand[49] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-49)
22.6


Moldova (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova)
1.03
(2011)
0.45 (2011)
0.42 (2011)
0.08 (2011)
0.08 (2011)
Guns in Moldova[46] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-46)
7.1


Kyrgyzstan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyzstan)
1.01
(2010)
0.53 (2010)
0.07 (2010)
0.28 (2010)
0.13 (2010)
Guns in Kyrgyzstan[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-41)
0.9


Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany)
1.01
(2012)
0.07 (2012)
0.84 (2012)
0.01 (2012)
0.08 (2012)
Guns in Germany[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-26)
30.3


Hungary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary)
0.95
(2012)
0.11 (2012)
0.81 (2012)
0.02 (2012)
0.02 (2012)
Guns in Hungary[31] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-31)
5.5


Australia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia)
0.93
(2013)
0.16 (2013)
0.74 (2013)
0.02 (2013)
0.02 (2013)
Guns in Australia[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-3)
21.7


Taiwan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan)
0.87
(mixed years)
0.60 (2008)
0.12 (1994)
0.11 (1994)
0.04 (1994)
Guns in Taiwan[70] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-70)
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Ireland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland)
0.8
(2012)
0.25 (2012)
0.28 (2012)
0.08 (2012)
unavailable
Guns in Ireland[35] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-35)
3.89


Bolivia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivia)
0.74
(incomplete)
0.74 (2010)
unavailable
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Bolivia[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-9)
2.8


Spain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain)
0.62
(mixed years)
0.15 (2010)
0.42 (2010)
0.05 (2010)
0.00 (2007)
Guns in Spain[66] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-66)
10.4


Netherlands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands)
0.58
(2011)
0.29 (2011)
0.28 (2011)
0.01 (2010)
0.01 (2010)
Guns in Netherlands[48] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-48)
3.9


Zimbabwe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe)
0.39
(mixed years)
0.3 (2007)
0.09 (1995)
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Zimbabwe[79] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-79)
4.6


Kuwait (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait)
0.36
(mixed years)
0.36 (1995)
0.00 (1999)
0.00 (2000)
0.00 (2000)
Guns in Kuwait[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-40)
24.8


Azerbaijan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan)
0.30
(incomplete)
0.27 (2010)
0.01 (2007)
0.02 (2007)
unavailable
Guns in Azerbaijan[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-5)
3.5


India (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India)
0.28
(2014)
0.30 (2009)
0.14 (2008)
0.04 (2008)
unavailable
Guns in India[33] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-33)[34] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-34)
4.2


Poland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland)
0.26
(2011)
0.04 (2011)
0.09 (2011)
0.03 (2011)
0.10 (2011)
Guns in Poland[56] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-56)
1.3


Ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine)
0.24
(incomplete)
0.24 (2009)
unavailable
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Ukraine[74] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-74)
6.6


United Kingdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom)
0.23
(2011)
0.06 (2011)
0.15 (2011)
0.00 (2011)
0.02 (2011)
Guns in the United Kingdom[75] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-75)
6.6


Belarus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus)
0.23
(incomplete)
0.14 (2009)
unavailable
0.09 (1996)
unavailable
Guns in Belarus[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-7)
7.3


Singapore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore)
0.16
(mixed years)
0.02 (2006)
0.12 (1998)
0.02 (1998)
0.00 (1998)
Guns in Singapore[61] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-61)
0.5


Qatar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar)
0.15
(incomplete)
0.15 (2004)
unavailable
unavailable
unavailable
Guns in Qatar[58] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-58)
19.2


Romania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania)
0.14
(mixed years)
0.04 (2012)
0.06 (2011)
0.04 (2011)
0.00 (2011)
Guns in Romania[59] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-59)
0.7


South Korea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea)
0.08
(mixed years)
0.02 (2011)
0.04 (2002)
0.01 (2002)
0.01 (2002)
Guns in South Korea[65] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-65)
1.1


Japan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan)
0.06
(mixed years)
0.00 (2008)
0.04 (1999)
0.01 (1999)
0.01 (1999)
Guns in Japan[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-39)
0.6


Hong Kong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong)
0.03
(mixed years)
0.00 (2004)
0.03 (1999)
0.00 (1996)
0.00 (1996)
Guns in Hong Kong[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#cite_note-30)
?


Country
Total
Method of Calculation
Homicides
Suicides
Unintentional
Undetermined
Sources and notes
Guns per 100 hab



I don't know if it means anything or not but USA does have the most guns per 100 of any other country.

I guess draw your conclusions or more likely there is no conclusion to be drawn

[Jimmydr]

Talk about touchy?? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

And it is only the left that politicizes this issue right?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/las-vegas-shooting-second-amendment_us_59d3a3cae4b0f962988a1bbb?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Smooth it seems more and more lately your posts are more about trolling me than any discussion of issues. That's fine, you can express whatever you want. Your obsession is kind of creepy though.


You have fans.:corky:

[greydread]

We have got to address this issue of White-on-White crime. It's making all Americans look like a bunch of criminals in the eyes of the world.

That statement was offered in response to the "Chicago" deflection and it makes just about as much sense (= None).

[whynotme]

I don't see Cuba on that list!
gun control's poster country:bigthumbup:

[whynotme]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-change-timeline-say-vegas-gunman-shot-security-guard-6-minutes-before-opening-fire-on-concert/ar-AAtcfKa?ocid=spartanntp

Police change timeline, say Vegas gunman shot security guard 6 minutes before opening fire on concert

LAS VEGAS — Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.

Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m.
Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.
But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now don’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.
Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police have said that Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.
Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel.
In a timeline released last week, investigators said Paddock had stopped firing at the concert across the street at 10:15 p.m., and the first police officers arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. and encountered the wounded Campos at 10:18 p.m., who directed the officers to Paddock’s suite.
Police were not in a hurry to enter Paddock’s suite because the security guard’s arrival had halted the shooting, police implied in previously describing the timeline.
But on Monday, the timeline changed.
“Mr. Campos was encountered by the suspect prior to his shooting to the outside world,” Lombardo said at a Monday news conference.
Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said.
Charles “Sid” Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff’s commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting.”
Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.
“It doesn’t say much for hotel security,” Heal said.
After Campos was shot, a maintenance worker appeared on the 32nd floor and “Campos prevented him from receiving any injuries,” Lombardo said.
Representatives for the Mandalay Bay hotel casino and the union representing Mandalay Bay’s security guards did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.
Lombardo said investigators still had not uncovered a motive for Paddock’s attack and had found “zero” evidence of a second gunman. Investigators said Paddock was not seen with anyone before the attack.
Lombardo also revised the date on which police believe Paddock checked in to the Mandalay Bay hotel. While initially they said he had checked in on Sept. 28, three days before the shooting, they now believe he checked in on Sept. 25.
They continue to believe he was operating without a partner.
Lombardo said investigators had compiled 200 “instances” of Paddock moving around Las Vegas before the attack, and he was always alone.
The sheriff also revealed that Paddock had started drilling a hole next to the door of his suite, but the drilling apparently was not completed, and officials weren’t sure what the hole was for.
Lombardo said investigators had found “some evidence of medications” used by Paddock but declined to give any more information.

[greydread]

I'm no forensic super-genius but I've fired a few rounds in my day and it seems to me that letting go of a couple hundred rounds is going to set off the smoke detector, open window or not, especially in rapid fire mode. That just might get the attention of hotel security. I'm just saying.