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Dark Knight
06-19-2007, 10:07 PM
ive heard stories of how little they make.does anyone actually know hoe much they make per hour month or year and how much taxes they pay

Apos
06-19-2007, 10:18 PM
i believe the minimum wage is less than $7000 pesos a month.

the "free zones" have a different scale i think.

private arrangements like for a maid can vary widely as well dependant upon duties and days worked.

at any rate it's not a lot.

7000/32= about $218.75 USD!

MrHappy
06-20-2007, 07:21 AM
It's all over the place.
A free zone factory worker makes a little over a hundred and twenty bucks a month.

Girls working in store make about the same. A girl in a car wash pulls down about 70 bucks, since they are expected to get tips too.

College professionals will usually start around three hundred to four hundred a month.

Self employed is the way to go. While a construction worker gets around ten bucks a day, many trades such as electricians, plumbers, metal workers, etc. can make as much as 80-100 bucks a day, but the norm is around 50-70 bucks.

Taxes are included in everything you buy, and more to come. Income taxes start if you earn more than 28K a month, if I'm not mistaken. ( I can't believe I don't know how much I pay every two weeks!)

weyland
06-20-2007, 07:46 AM
There is a lot of info about this on DR1. I spent some time searching in order to give dann28 some links but couldn't find the right threads. Can any DR1 regulars help?

Willie
06-20-2007, 10:24 AM
A friend of mine who graduated from the Law school there is still making $6000RD/month as an office worker.

My former GF who is a Govt auditor makes about $20,000RD - $25,000RD per month.

The security guard at a hotel I stayed at in 2006 made 200 pesos /day.

Willie

JD426
06-20-2007, 10:27 AM
I heard cops only make about $100 us equivalent / month?. Now thats a real crime if its true. Are they expected to be corrupt to make extra $,
or moonlight as bodyguards for stupido gringos like myself when I go there ?

Jimmydr
06-20-2007, 10:28 AM
I heard cops only make about $100 us equivalent / month?. Now thats a real crime if its true. Are they expected to be corrupt to make extra $,
or moonlight as bodyguards for stupido gringos like myself when I go there ?


They make about $150 but pay for gas and other expenses. They work 24 hour shifts.

RSMMAN
06-20-2007, 01:11 PM
It's all over the place.
A free zone factory worker makes a little over a hundred and twenty bucks a month.

Girls working in store make about the same. A girl in a car wash pulls down about 70 bucks, since they are expected to get tips too.

College professionals will usually start around three hundred to four hundred a month.

Self employed is the way to go. While a construction worker gets around ten bucks a day, many trades such as electricians, plumbers, metal workers, etc. can make as much as 80-100 bucks a day, but the norm is around 50-70 bucks.

Taxes are included in everything you buy, and more to come. Income taxes start if you earn more than 28K a month, if I'm not mistaken. ( I can't believe I don't know how much I pay every two weeks!)

How about an HVAC worker ????$$$$

greydread
06-20-2007, 05:22 PM
According to CIA Worldfactbook, per capita income of 90% of Dominicans is $2,600. This is a major factor in our attempt to regulate the price of punani there.

Why should a puta earn in a month what a worker makes in a year? They'd have to change the name to the Puta Republic and elect a female president on the basis of her BBBJ/CIM prowess.

WSJ3
06-20-2007, 05:51 PM
Given the amount of time I spend in DR I can say with accuracy that the average person is only making about 4500DR a month.

If they are lucky.


i believe the minimum wage is less than $7000 pesos a month.

the "free zones" have a different scale i think.

private arrangements like for a maid can vary widely as well dependant upon duties and days worked.

at any rate it's not a lot.

7000/32= about $218.75 USD!

ajax718
06-20-2007, 06:16 PM
Regarding the free zones "Zona Francas", I read in a recent article they are starting to close because even with their cheap monthly salaries of $130 a month, companies are able to find even cheaper labor in other countries such as China.

The article also said that sugar plantations, such as the one in Montellano, have closed due to the same reasons.
These effects can be attributed to Globalization

The Sage
06-20-2007, 06:30 PM
During my last trip I experienced quite a few non top shelf chicas quoting prices of 3,000 + pesos for TLN. I even had one Pedro Clisante tier two who refused to move off of 2,500 for ST. For some reason some newbie took a liking to a semi-amiga who is fat and to me, at least, not attractive. She quoted the poor guy a price of 3,000 pesos for ST. He rightfully refused. When I told her later that she was pricing herself out of the market she was astonished. Apparently someone is paying these prices and it's upsetting the entire price sructure. Comparing these positions to the average wage in the country really brings them into focus. What really ticks me off is that often these idiots have the nerve to call you cheap when you refuse to agree to their crazy demands.

eastcoastallstar
06-20-2007, 10:21 PM
What is the Free Zone?

tomgueguen
06-20-2007, 11:14 PM
During my last trip I experienced quite a few non top shelf chicas quoting prices of 3,000 + pesos for TLN. I even had one Pedro Clisante tier two who refused to move off of 2,500 for ST. For some reason some newbie took a liking to a semi-amiga who is fat and to me, at least, not attractive. She quoted the poor guy a price of 3,000 pesos for ST. He rightfully refused. When I told her later that she was pricing herself out of the market she was astonished. Apparently someone is paying these prices and it's upsetting the entire price sructure. Comparing these positions to the average wage in the country really brings them into focus. What really ticks me off is that often these idiots have the nerve to call you cheap when you refuse to agree to their crazy demands.


I think it's the same when a US escort ask for 1500$ a night....

Don Tomas
06-21-2007, 01:05 AM
What is the Free Zone?

Free Trade Zones are areas where products not meant for sale within the DR are made tax free. There are also other incentives too.

Gap, Banana Republic, Express, and other companies all have factories in the DR but many are pulling out for cheaper labor in China and elsewhere.

RSMMAN
06-21-2007, 01:17 AM
I think it's the same when a US escort ask for 1500$ a night....

$1500 US Thats what I spend on a 10 Day DR trip ...

Don Tomas
06-21-2007, 02:09 AM
ive heard stories of how little they make.does anyone actually know hoe much they make per hour month or year and how much taxes they pay

Unlike the US, there is no one minimum wage for the DR, yes technically states can increase the minimum wage and many have chosen to do so but the DR is much more complicated.

For example: (using RD$33-US$1)
For private companies such as hotels, casinos, fast food, etc the min monthly wageS are:

Assets over RD$4,000,000 (US$121,212)
Min Monthly Wage=RD$5,575 (US$169)

Assets RD$4,000,000 to RD$2,000,000 (US$121,212-$60606)
MMW=RD$4,000 (US$121)

Assets Under RD$2,000,000 (US$60,606)
MMW=RD$3,600 (US$113)

So McD's/BurgerKing/Wendy's have to pay RD$5,575/month but somewhere like the NYShark Bar is probably on the RD$3,600 scale.

Now on to commercial/industrial/services companies such as banks, an office, manufacturing, etc.:
Assets over RD$4,000,000 (US$121,212)
MMW=RD$7,360 (US$230)

Assets RD$4,000,000 to RD$2,000,000 (US$121,212-$60606)
MMW=RD$5,060 (US$153)

Assets Under RD$2,000,000 (US$60,606)
MMW=RD$4,485 (US$136)

Basic Farm workers are on yet another scale, at least it's only one wage this time:
RD$150 (US$4.55) per Day, maximum 10 hours.

NOTE: Different activites have different minimum wages so the above wage is for your basic field hand.

Free Zones have a single minimum wage like Farm Workers:
MMW=RD$3,600 (US$113)
Note in 2005 FTZ workers actually made RD$4,450/month, but the government lowered it in 2006.

YET ANOTHER sector; Health care, Education, & Non-profit orgs:
MMW=RD$5,000 (US$151)

I know the Government has a different wage scale, I couldn't find it on the site but iirc it is somewhere between the Private sector and FTZ, so let's say around RD$4,000/month, this would include police officers.

HELL They even establish minimum wages for TRADES like the Unions do in the US, but a lot lower of course. One example:
A house call by an electrician is minimum RD$70.

Now if you really want to get crazy Masonary workers are not included in the Trades above, rather they get paid based on fucking size of the blocks used to construct the site!!!!!

Also Painters get paid based on what they use to paint (oil, latex, etc.) and how big the painted area is!!!!

Want to really be sorry you asked! Construction workers who operate heavy machinary get a minimum wage based on the HORSEPOWER of the device they are operating!!!! NO LIE!

Hourly Wages for Bulldozer operators:
DE 000 A 115 H.P. RD$56.00
DE 116 A 125 H.P. RD$63.00
DE 126 A 275 H.P. RD$75.00
DE 276 A 375 H.P. RD$84.00

For anyone who wants to know more or disputes my figures can go here and read it for themselves:
http://portal.set.gov.do/legislacion/salario/default.asp

PS. So while it is unlikely you will interact with many of these workers, the waitress at a local place in Sosua is probably only being paid RD$3,600 (US$113) so don't go paying her a month's wages for 1 TLN!!!!

Another good link (for all countries) but no guarantee of the accuracy of information is here (e.g. the DR had old and/or incorrect wages)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

Don Tomas
06-21-2007, 02:26 AM
How about an HVAC worker ????$$$$

Oddly I couldn't find anything about heating! :lol:

BUT Yes A/C installation is defined!!!!

IF the electrical connection is nearby the minimum wage is RD$739/unit (US$22.40).

Otherwise if the electrical connection is not available and you have to run it that is another wage based on voltage!!!
110v=RD$246 (US$7.45)
220v=RD$370 (US$11.21)

Don Tomas
06-21-2007, 02:54 AM
ive heard stories of how little they make.does anyone actually know hoe much they make per hour month or year and how much taxes they pay

I forgot the taxes part.

No income Tax up to RD$240,000/year (US$7,272) so that would include pretty much everyone we come into contact with.

Otherwise it is:
RD$240,000 to $360,000 = 15% of the amount over RD$240,000
RD$360,000 to $500,000 = RD$18,000 + 20% of the amount over RD$360,000
Over RD$500,000 = RD$46,000 + 25% of the amount over $500,000

weyland
06-21-2007, 03:49 AM
DT, thanks for all that work. Good to have accurate info not just anecdotal. I think this gives a good overall picture. No need to go searching on DR1 now.

I assume that because of high unemployment, most people are actually employed at the minimum wages, give or take a few perks, tips, etc?

Are there any mimumum wages laid down for workers in chica hygiene training, my special skill?

weyland
06-21-2007, 04:03 AM
A low-paid waitress in the UK might earn £800 per month (excluding tips, as you have done) nett after deductions. The same girl working as a prostitute might charge, say, £100 for short time (1 hour).

A low-paid waitress in the DR might earn RD$3600 per month (excluding tips, as you have done). The same girl working as a prostitute might charge, say, RD$1000 for short time (2 hours).

Damn, those DR chicas are expensive! They are charging twice as much in proportion to a monthly wage! But they would give you longer time, uncovered BJs, and would generally be younger (typically 18 to 28, instead of 24 to 34 as in the UK).

My data on UK whores is speculative. I stopped patronising them 15 years ago.

Jimmydr
06-21-2007, 07:42 AM
A low-paid Haitian waitress in the DR might earn RD$600 per month (excluding tips, as you have done). The same girl working as a prostitute might charge, say, RD$10000 to Weyland for short time (2 hours)without sex.




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weyland
06-21-2007, 08:43 AM
Jimmy, you used up your one funny remark for the quarter in the Sun & Buns thread. This is just wild and silly.

After reading threads here and talking to guys in the DR (ISOC and non-ISOC) I am now happy that I have generally got a better than average handle on paying putas than most. This has come with experience and learning a little Spanish. At the same time I am paying less I am finding a nicer quality of girl. Last trip I only had two who were really hardcore. One of them was disappointing and she was the only one I took on someone else's recommendation. The other one was great but, significantly, I did not find her in Sosúa.

I expect to continue to hone my negotiating skills, to improve my Spanish, to avoid Sosúa except for socializing with the guys, and to ignore anyone else's recommendations as my own instincts are proving better.

I though DT's data was great and I hoped to start a semi-serious debate on the price of SPs compared with the lowest-paid jobs in different countries.

Dark Knight
06-21-2007, 10:51 AM
Well i am not an expert on all wages here but i can tell you what i pay my staff.

I have a small construction company here. I pay my Foreman 1000 peso a day.
plumbers and skilled workers get 800 to 1000 pesos aday. General labour (mostly Haiti workers) 400 to 600 pesos aday.

My maid at home makes 5000 pesos a month. My security guys get 8000 peso each a month plus i bought there 9 mm pistols and bullets.

As for the restaurant and hotel wages i am not sure as i do not deal with them day to day.

Rick
www.escapetocaribbean.com

MisterPink
06-21-2007, 10:58 AM
Well i am not an expert on all wages here but i can tell you what i pay my staff.

www.escapetocaribbean.com

How much do you pay Jimmydr to advertise?

mp

PapiQueRico
06-21-2007, 11:24 AM
DT, it's great to get solid info instead of speculation! Thanks.


Now, how about those pale sox??????
When does the fire sale start?

The Sage
06-21-2007, 12:53 PM
Weyland, you are absolutely dead on. In relationship to the average minimum wage SOSUA workers are incredibly expensive. My guess is based on their possession of "normal' work skills 1,500 pesos is roughly the equivalent of $375 assuming a minimum wage of $6.00 with a 8 hour work day here in the states. Taking into consideration that most dominicans work 6 days a week the $375 number is on the low side. The interesting thing is that when you take out the "gringo" tax and view it solely on a dominican to domincan basis, where as the domincan guy is paying between 200 to 500 pesos you pretty much get the street price of pussy in the US ($50 to $125), depending on quality, though the quality of the experience on the island is for the most part significantly better.

What this all proves is that most of us are wildly overpaying in SOSUA. However, the truth is, for anyone who's ventured outside of our favorite beach town, that Sosua is as much of a fantasy for the girls as it is for the mongers. They go there with visions of making money that is often beyond their ability to comprehend. Many girls are making in a day what they couldn't make in a month in their home towns. And, with the influx of guys without a clue from ATL, NYC, and other parts of the east coast even unattractive fat girls are making this kind of money for basically working at the most 2 - 3 hours. One of my favorites in response to my inquiry about her night before told me she had a very good night. "He was drunk. I worked 10 minutes went to sleep and made 3,000 pesos".

Yes, without a doubt most of us overpay and relative to the basic wage in the Republic the girls are expensive. The only savings grace is that they are plentiful and if you have patience for the most part attractive. I would hope guys would consider this when negotiating, but I do understand how vacation frenzy and limited amount of time on the ground leads to bad decisions in this regard. What I did find extremly frustrating during my last trip was that guys were literally hooking up with the frist chick that approached them and that these "pros" where in affect setting the prices. When second and third tier girls, not to mention fat and unattractive, are getting top dollar it makes it difficult to get reasonable pricing even from the relatively innocent. I'm certain ISOC guys are doing their part to add some rationality to the pricing sitution, but the newbies are making it difficult for all of us. These guys don't have clue.

Beads
06-21-2007, 03:02 PM
Weyland, you are absolutely dead on. In relationship to the average minimum wage SOSUA workers are incredibly expensive. My guess is based on their possession of "normal' work skills 1,500 pesos is roughly the equivalent of $375 assuming a minimum wage of $6.00 with a 8 hour work day here in the states. Taking into consideration that most dominicans work 6 days a week the $375 number is on the low side. The interesting thing is that when you take out the "gringo" tax and view it solely on a dominican to domincan basis, where as the domincan guy is paying between 200 to 500 pesos you pretty much get the street price of pussy in the US ($50 to $125), depending on quality, though the quality of the experience on the island is for the most part significantly better.

What this all proves is that most of us are wildly overpaying in SOSUA. However, the truth is, for anyone who's ventured outside of our favorite beach town, that Sosua is as much of a fantasy for the girls as it is for the mongers. They go there with visions of making money that is often beyond their ability to comprehend. Many girls are making in a day what they couldn't make in a month in their home towns. And, with the influx of guys without a clue from ATL, NYC, and other parts of the east coast even unattractive fat girls are making this kind of money for basically working at the most 2 - 3 hours. One of my favorites in response to my inquiry about her night before told me she had a very good night. "He was drunk. I worked 10 minutes went to sleep and made 3,000 pesos".

Yes, without a doubt most of us overpay and relative to the basic wage in the Republic the girls are expensive. The only savings grace is that they are plentiful and if you have patience for the most part attractive. I would hope guys would consider this when negotiating, but I do understand how vacation frenzy and limited amount of time on the ground leads to bad decisions in this regard. What I did find extremly frustrating during my last trip was that guys were literally hooking up with the frist chick that approached them and that these "pros" where in affect setting the prices. When second and third tier girls, not to mention fat and unattractive, are getting top dollar it makes it difficult to get reasonable pricing even from the relatively innocent. I'm certain ISOC guys are doing their part to add some rationality to the pricing sitution, but the newbies are making it difficult for all of us. These guys don't have clue.

Great stuff. I have noticed a LOT of chicas willing to leave day after day with nothing as opposed to lowering their rates. I guess realistically if she makes a months pay in 2 or 3 nights she can leave empty handed the rest of month and still be ok.

Jimmydr
06-21-2007, 03:15 PM
Great stuff. I have noticed a LOT of chicas willing to leave day after day with nothing as opposed to lowering their rates. I guess realistically if she makes a months pay in 2 or 3 nights she can leave empty handed the rest of month and still be ok.


In Colombia, looking for a months pay but leaving with a weeks pay after one night works.

RSMMAN
06-21-2007, 03:23 PM
Oddly I couldn't find anything about heating! :lol:

BUT Yes A/C installation is defined!!!!

IF the electrical connection is nearby the minimum wage is RD$739/unit (US$22.40).

Otherwise if the electrical connection is not available and you have to run it that is another wage based on voltage!!!
110v=RD$246 (US$7.45)
220v=RD$370 (US$11.21)

Is that hourly ????Please say YES

Don Tomas
06-21-2007, 04:31 PM
Is that hourly ????Please say YES

No oddly it's per unit. Many of the trades were per unit, like Plumbers, their min wage was based on pipe size and whether it was underground.

Read the PDFs on the site, it's totally crazy!

weyland
06-21-2007, 05:35 PM
Sage doesn't post much, but when he does post it's always ... er, um ... I suppose "sage" is the best description.

ErikS
06-21-2007, 05:46 PM
Sage doesn't post much, but when he does post it's always ... er, um ... I suppose "sage" is the best description.

And when he is on the ground in the DR, he is exactly as you say. :thumbsup2:

Very good thread with accurate information, and analogies that were easy to understand and on point.

Thanks DT, Weyland, Sage, etc. :clap2:

The Sage
06-21-2007, 11:34 PM
Great stuff. I have noticed a LOT of chicas willing to leave day after day with nothing as opposed to lowering their rates. I guess realistically if she makes a months pay in 2 or 3 nights she can leave empty handed the rest of month and still be ok.

Dead on. Your average attractive barkeep, card dealer, waitress, etc. can maintain her dignity while paying her rent, putting food on the table for a month, and having enough left over to buy a couple of outfits simply by servicing 3 to 4 customers a month and that doesn't even include the overtipping that takes place by guys trying to get their attention. When you're doing your heaviest macking trying to get into their pants they are simply viewing you as the latest bid in the monthly pussy auction.