Where are the Hatianas?

[Count]

In preparation for my first trip to Sosua from Aug 10 - Aug 19 I've been trying to learn Spanish and brush up on Creole.
I think Spanish is a lost cause for me; and since I already speak some French, I've found that Weyland's Pimleseur exercises for Creole actually work. So, I think I'll be focussing on the Hatianas rather than the Latinas.
Are they all over Sosua? Or do they tend to congregate in certain bars or locations?
I appreciate any help.

[Hemp]

In preparation for my first trip to Sosua from Aug 10 - Aug 19 I've been trying to learn Spanish and brush up on Creole.
I think Spanish is a lost cause for me; and since I already speak some French, I've found that Weyland's Pimleseur exercises for Creole actually work. So, I think I'll be focussing on the Hatianas rather than the Latinas.
Are they all over Sosua? Or do they tend to congregate in certain bars or locations?
I appreciate any help.

you'll notice them...

especially at the lil bars just before Latinos/classicos.

there everywhere just like the dominicana's...in fact i saw a very attractive hatiana/dominicana few weeks ago with a nice rack...:) and i hooked up with a hatian girl for the first time in sosua a few weeks ago she had the fattest ass :eek:

[Jimmydr]

They are all over Sosua. look around during the day and you will find less hard core.

[TPdog]

Daytime at the beach is the best. You won't have a problem finding them, and if you speak French they will find you...........

[Beads]

Theres definitely an abundance of hatianas all over Sosua. They will find you!

[Jimmydr]

I was hanging with 2 last trip and they were cool.

[weyland]

I've found that Weyland's Pimsleur exercises for Creole actually work.
Thank Knotty for the Pimsleur, not me. Yes, it works great, but is extremely limited in scope and misses out some essential words like the verb "to have". After your holiday get the Light Messages set I recommended to learn all the grammar (there isn't much) and much more vocabulary. But the guy's accent on the Light Messages CD is a pain whereas the readers on the Pimsleur are great, so you need both.


I think I'll be focussing on the haitianas rather than the latinas.
Wise choice. We haitiana connoisseurs are a small but classy brotherhood. But haitianas are latinas too (French being a Latin-derived language), so say instead "rather than the hispanics".

Have a great trip, Count. The Haitians being an oppressed minority are a much more tightly-knit group than the Dominicans. Everybody claims to be, and often is, someone else's cousin. If you treat one girl right the word will quickly spread, but also the opposite applies.

I often visited the Haitian village in Muñoz, near Puerto Plata. I have been told there is a similar, but smaller, Haitian community near to Sosua but I forgot to enquire about it on my last trip. Anyone know where it is?

[rley69]

I often visited the Haitian village in Muñoz, near Puerto Plata. I have been told there is a similar, but smaller, Haitian community near to Sosua but I forgot to enquire about it on my last trip. Anyone know where it is?

I only went to Sosua in the first place because Jimmy DR told me on another site a few years ago that it was where all the haitianas were. I am generally attracted to black women but I've also found them to be a more down to earth crowd than the Dominican chicas.

Most of the haitianas I know that actually live in Sosua are in a variety of shanty town set ups around Clisante in the general direction of the Palace, certainly around the El Batey side of town (they all hate Charamico and won't go anywhere near the place). However, as far as I know the really big Haitian community on the North coast is in a town called Montellano, which is roughly halfway bextween Sosua and POP and used to be one of the main centers of sugar processing, but has been down on its luck for the last few years (although Brugal are now talking about opening a rum production facility there). I have a regular chica that lives there and I've been over a few times to see zook musicians play.

[KoKi9290]

Look for Estephanie at Siempre Sol on the beach! Can't find her phone number but Hermann will know where to find her.

[weyland]

Hi rley69, great to hear from you again.


I've also found [Haitianas] to be a more down to earth crowd than the Dominican chicas.
Agreed!


Most of the haitianas I know that actually live in Sosua are in a variety of shanty town set ups around Clisante in the general direction of the Palace, certainly around the El Batey side of town (they all hate Los Charamicos and won't go anywhere near the place). However, as far as I know the really big Haitian community on the North coast is in Montellano ... I've been over a few times to see zook musicians play.
This should not be new information to me after twenty weeks in the area, but it is!

I have seen some Haitians in Los Charamicos, but you are right, very few relatively speaking.

Although I have explored places further afield, I have never explored Montellano. Because it was "just down the road" it was somewhere I always left to do on a quiet day when there was nothing else on. Fortunately, in those twenty weeks there has never been such a day. But I will give it a thorough reconnaissance next trip. I would like to listen to the zook (and konpa?) but only if they are any good. Were they visiting professionals or just locals jamming?

[rley69]

Although I have explored places further afield, I have never explored Montellano. Because it was "just down the road" it was somewhere I always left to do on a quiet day when there was nothing else on. Fortunately, in those twenty weeks there has never been such a day. But I will give it a thorough reconnaissance next trip. I would like to listen to the zook (and konpa?) but only if they are any good. Were they visiting professionals or just locals jamming?

Truth be told, there ain't that much to the place (although nobody takes any notice of you, gringo or otherwise, which makes a refreshing change from all the conchos, change merchants and other hustlers in Sosua).

The music took place in a sort of shebeen in a disused building which is now a fruit and veg stall (there was something similar taking place in an old casino on the outskirts of Sosua at one point, until the lights fused one night and somebody had the bright idea of brining in a motoconcho on which the headlight only came on if the engine was running and nearly gassed the entire audience!).

I'm not sure how many truly professional musicians the beleaguered Haitian economy can support but I doubt that it's many. However, all the Haitian acts I've come across have been accomplished and always use some kind of PA to mix the sound, even if it was only a four track (which makes a refreshing change from a lot of the supposedly "professional" Dominican venues).

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[Gladiator]

But haitianas are latinas too (French being a Latin-derived language), so say instead "rather than the hispanics".

Haitians are not latinas – saying that Haitians are latinas because Haiti is a former French colony is like saying that girls from Equatorial Guinea, Macau or the Philippines are latinas because these are former colonies from Spain or Portugal.

Ethnically, Haitians - excluding a tiny minority of the population - are African.

[David Smash]

Haitianas are the closest things to Africans in the Western world next to the Maroons in Jamaica. The language they speak is a cross between French vocabulary and West African syntax.


Also the women from Monte Llano tend to favor Haitians. If you are in Santiago there is an area with specifically Haitians. If you started from the Monument facing the Kakura bear left until you hit 30 de Agosto. walk along this street for about 6 blocks and you should see them

[questner]

Last trip I have spent some time with a dark dominican beauty from Monte LLano with a perfect spanish name. Does it mean her family is originally haitian?

[weyland]

Haitians are not latinas – saying that Haitians are latinas because Haiti is a former French colony is like saying that girls from Equatorial Guinea, Macau or the Philippines are latinas because these are former colonies from Spain or Portugal.
"Latin" is a cultural term not an ethnic one, and the culture Haitians aspire to is French just as Dominicans aspire to Spanish. Both fall pitifully short, but it is only a question of degree. I don't believe the populations of Equatorial Guinea or Macau aspire to Spanish or Portuguese culture in the same way while Filipinos apparently aspire to the culture of their more recent colonial rulers, the USA, which has largely swept aside their former Spanish ways, so for these reasons they are not considered "latins". Also I guess "latin" (as used in "latino" and "latina") is short for "latin american" so they would not be eligible anyway.

I admit that I was misleading in my post which you criticised when I referenced the French language rather than French culture.



Ethnically, Haitians - excluding a tiny minority of the population - are African.
Of course their ancestors came from Africa, but that does not mean they are Africans. That would be like saying the only Americans (US) are Native Americans. The same applies to a lesser degree to Dominicans. It does not stop either group being "latins", anymore than it stops black Brazilians being latins. To suggest otherwise is to go along with the divisive racist propaganda churned out by the predominantly light-skinned ruling classes in all these countries to maintain their own monopoly of power. The inference is that because they are not "latins" they do not really "belong" there and cannot expect any human rights. From your many other posts I know that this is not a position you would sympathise with.

A simple test would be to magic a Haitian or a Dominican into the middle of (say) Mali or Rwanda and ask which do they have most in common with culturally, the Malians or Rwandas on one hand, or (say) Mexicans or Cubans on the other? While there would certainly be some affiliations to African culture they would obviously feel more at home with other American latins than with indigenous Africans.

[Gladiator]

Weyland,

I get your point and don’t really disagree with what you’re saying.

On the other hand, the word Latin can be used in different contexts (cultural, ethnical, geographical, etc), but I was referring exclusively to the ethnic sense of the word, which is often what first comes into a monger’s mind when we hear the word ‘Latin’, and definitely the vast majority of Haitians don’t fall in that group.

[weyland]

Weyland,

I get your point and don’t really disagree with what you’re saying.

On the other hand, the word Latin can be used in different contexts (cultural, ethnical, geographical, etc), but I was referring exclusively to the ethnic sense of the word, which is often what first comes into a monger’s mind when we hear the word ‘Latin’, and definitely the vast majority of Haitians don’t fall in that group.
Wow, peace has broken out! I could have been clearer (for which I apologise) and we are both using wild generalisations. I certainly claim no expertise as to what is in "mongers' minds". I would probably prefer not to know! :)

[Beads]

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Damn the streets look cleaner here than Sosua.

[rley69]

Last trip I have spent some time with a dark dominican beauty from Monte LLano with a perfect spanish name. Does it mean her family is originally haitian?

Not at all.

Weyland, myself (and doubtless many others) spent some time with a dark Haitian cutie at Blackbeards called Nadine. She'd grown up in Haiti, spent most of her adult life in the DR but neither of her parents where from Hispanola at all (one was from Cuba and the other, I think, from Jamaica).

People, of whatever colour, get around.