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3somefan
01-12-2008, 01:34 PM
Colombian leftist guerrillas free two high-level hostages By Sibylla Brodzinsky
Fri Jan 11, 3:00 AM ET



Bogotá, Colombia - Colombian leftist guerrillas released two of their most prized hostages Thursday, in a deal brokered by Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez that could pave the way for a broad agreement for the liberation of dozens of others being held in rebel camps.

Politicians Clara Rojas and Consuelo Gonzalez were whisked from the jungles of southern Colombia where they had been held for six years to the Venezuelan capital, Caracas, into the embrace of their families.

"They are finally safe, they are free," Ms. González's daughter Patricia Perdomo told Colombian radio from her hotel room in Caracas, her voice trembling with emotion.

It's the most important hostage release in the Colombian conflict since 2001, when the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, freed some 300 soldiers and police officers and it's being hailed as a political victory for Mr. Chávez and Colombian President Álvaro Uribe.

A delegation of the International Committee of the Red Cross, Venezuela's interior minister, and Cuba's ambassador to Caracas received the two women from a rebel unit at an undisclosed meeting point. To facilitate the mission, Colombia suspended military operations in the area and closed the airspace above.

Their liberation came 10 days after an initial mission orchestrated by Chávez to free the women – plus the small child of Rojas who was born in captivity – was aborted abruptly after the revelation that the FARC were not in fact in possession of the boy.

Following a series of delays, the December release operation was called off on New Year's Eve when Mr. Uribe revealed that the rebels were dragging their feet on the announced handover because the boy they had promised to release had actually been in custody of Colombia's child protection services in Bogotá since 2005. DNA tests and a FARC admission confirmed Uribe's shocking announcement.

Victory for Chávez and Uribe
It was a victory for Uribe over the FARC and for Chávez, whom Uribe had grudgingly allowed to organize the handover operations. Embarrassed by having been fooled by the FARC, Chávez remained uncharacteristically quiet in the days that followed. But on Wednesday, Chávez announced that he had finally received the coordinates of where the two women would be dropped off by their captors.

Uribe had little choice but to allow the fiery leftist leader – who's called him a "puppet" and "lapdog" of Washington – to organize a new mission, but demanded it be done discreetly and "with respect for the Colombian government."

Despite the setback over the boy, the FARC now have the upper hand, analysts say. "The release will renew pressure on the government to make concessions for a wider agreement on the other hostages," says Román Ortiz, a security analyst with the Bogotá think tank Ideas Para la Paz.

Bruce Bagley, a Colombia analyst at the University of Miami, says that after the release the FARC will be expecting a response from the government. "They'll be thinking: 'OK, we made a gesture, now you make a gesture,' " he says.

Pressure to release more hostages
And while Uribe is not inclined to make gestures toward the FARC, international pressure will continue to build for him to seek the release of the other 44 high-profile hostages including French-Colombian politician Ingrid Betancourt, three American defense contractors, and dozens of local politicians and military and police officers. Many have been held for as long as a decade. The rebels are using the hostages to gain political leverage nationally and internationally and to seek their exchange for jailed rebels.

"The issue is not going to go away," says Michael Shifter, an analyst with the Washington-based Inter-American Dialogue. Since he took power, President Nicolas Sarkozy of France has made the release of Ms. Betancourt a foreign-policy priority. Washington, which backs the Colombian government with annual aid of more than $600 million, insists it does not negotiate with groups it regards as terrorist. However, Uribe was in direct contact with President Bush during the aborted December release mission.

A State Department spokesman welcomed the release of the hostages and called on the FARC "to release all hostages that it holds and we continue to support President Uribe's efforts to that end."

In addition to the so-called "exchangeable" hostages who have a political value, the FARC are estimated to hold more than 700 other hostages for ransom.

"This has to be the beginning of an effort that culminates with the release of all the "exchangeable" hostages and all the victims kidnapped for ransom," says Colombian Sen. Piedad Córdoba, who acted as facilitator when Chávez officially played the role of mediator between the Colombian government and the FARC last fall.

Will the FARC increase attacks?
But at the same time, according to observers, Colombia could see an increase in FARC attacks throughout the country. "They will try to demonstrate that despite the setback and despite their willingness to release hostages, they are still powerful," says Mr. Bagley.

In fact, top FARC leader Manuel "Sureshot" Marulanda last week called on his forces, believed to number about 12,000, to launch a "general offensive" against the government. In a communiqué he said the rebels should launch attacks "on highways, in villages, in the jungle, and barracks, without giving the enemy respite."

The FARC has been weakened by a sustained government offensive that has pushed the insurgents into tactical retreat from urban centers into the mountains and jungles of the Colombia. But while the botched handover showed cracks in the command and control of the guerrilla army, Bagley says the FARC "retain considerable firepower."

The FARC will now set the tone for what is to come, says Ortiz. Previously, the rebels had demanded the demilitarization of two counties as a stage for negotiations for a hostage-for-prisoner swap, which Uribe had rejected. "There is no rationalization for a demilitarized zone now," says Ortiz. "The ball's in their court. They have to decide what they will demand now."

Under pressure to act to free the hostages, Uribe in August authorized Chávez to try to broker a deal with the FARC, who greatly admire Chávez.

But after three months of the Venezuelan leader's grandstanding, Uribe dismissed Chávez, raising tensions between the two leaders and unveiling a mutual mistrust.

But Chávez clearly plans to play a role in Colombia's conflict. On announcing the release of the women Chávez declared: "Venezuela will continue opening paths to peace in Colombia.

"We are ready, and in contact with the FARC, and we hope the Colombian government understands," Chávez said. "The world wants peace for Colombia."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/ohostage;_ylt=AuIt23ITqJzC.dPHBEW6qCtvaA8F

Jimmydr
01-12-2008, 02:42 PM
I saw this the other day.

weyland
01-12-2008, 05:03 PM
God bless President Chávez! He deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for this!

Gladiator
01-12-2008, 05:20 PM
God bless President Chávez! He deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for this!

According to some rumours he's now dating Naomi Campbell...

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/agenda/Estan/juntos/Hugo/Chavez/Naomi/Campbell/elpepigen/20080112elpepiage_3/Tes

3somefan
01-12-2008, 10:31 PM
So Jimmy...

I am just curious how serious of a threat is FARC in Colombia??

I have heard of entire bus loads of people being stopped at a fake check point on a obscure road, and many of the Westerns were taken as hostages!! :eek:

Do you guys have to worry about that while mongering in Medellin or any of the other major cities there??

Jimmydr
01-12-2008, 11:06 PM
So Jimmy...

I am just curious how serious of a threat is FARC in Colombia??

I have heard of entire bus loads of people being stopped at a fake check point on a obscure road, and many of the Westerns were taken as hostages!! :eek:

Do you guys have to worry about that while mongering in Medellin or any of the other major cities there??


No problem in Medellin.

3somefan
01-12-2008, 11:21 PM
No problem in Medellin.

Cool!

I gotta look up this story to get the specifics again. As you know, I have a bit of a religious past...I used to subscribe to a magazine called "The Voice of the Martyrs." They have a story in there about what I talked about above. It would blow your mind! Regardless of the religious manner of the story, it still really shows the capability of FARC to be very violent!

So the bigger cities probably have more police security around..right?

I just remember you and Sultan talking about not trying to stand out when you are roaming the city...

Jimmydr
01-12-2008, 11:47 PM
Cool!

I gotta look up this story to get the specifics again. As you know, I have a bit of a religious past...I used to subscribe to a magazine called "The Voice of the Martyrs." They have a story in there about what I talked about above. It would blow your mind! Regardless of the religious manner of the story, it still really shows the capability of FARC to be very violent!

So the bigger cities probably have more police security around..right?

I just remember you and Sultan talking about not trying to stand out when you are roaming the city...

I don't stand out there.

3somefan
01-13-2008, 04:10 AM
I don't stand out there.

Are you sure??????????????????????????????????

tomtom33
01-13-2008, 07:13 AM
No problem in Medellin.

Ummm, not quite. There is heavy FARC presence in Medellín. There are parts of the city that have no police presence. And people have been kidnapped by taxistas and sold to the FARC.

Just a few days ago within long walking distance of my apartment, a Gringo was robbed as he pulled up to the house of his novia in Barrio Trinidad near the Olaya Herrera airport in the city. They took the car, his documents, and valuables.

Barrio Trinidad is no go any time of the night or day. And there are many other such areas in Medellín. Another of those areas is less than 6 blocks from Parque Bolivar.

This ain't Kansas.

weyland
01-13-2008, 08:14 AM
No problem in Medellin.
You could say of any trouble spot in the world "No problem" before it happens! Most people using the London Underground (metro) would have thought they were safe until some of them got blown up and I would reckon London is still a lot safer than Medellin. None of these crummy Latin American dictatorships and oligarchies will be permanently safe from terrorism and revolution until they have proper democratic governments which spread the wealth around, and that is unlikely to happen in my lifetime and probably not in Jimmy's either. I guess Costa Rica may be there, and Cuba temporarily (though for different reasons), but that is about all.

Jimmydr
01-13-2008, 09:34 AM
You could say of any trouble spot in the world "No problem" before it happens! Most people using the London Underground (metro) would have thought they were safe until some of them got blown up and I would reckon London is still a lot safer than Medellin. None of these crummy Latin American dictatorships and oligarchies will be permanently safe from terrorism and revolution until they have proper democratic governments which spread the wealth around, and that is unlikely to happen in my lifetime and probably not in Jimmy's either. I guess Costa Rica may be there, and Cuba temporarily (though for different reasons), but that is about all.


3,000 people died on 9/11/2001 while they were at work. I bet some were talking about how they would never bang a whore bareback because you could get sick and others were worried about not getting their job done.


Things happen, but if you really want trouble, you could find it.

PapiQueRico
01-13-2008, 09:40 AM
God bless President Chávez! He deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for this!


You could say of any trouble spot in the world "No problem" before it happens! Most people using the London Underground (metro) would have thought they were safe until some of them got blown up and I would reckon London is still a lot safer than Medellin. None of these crummy Latin American dictatorships and oligarchies will be permanently safe from terrorism and revolution until they have proper democratic governments which spread the wealth around, and that is unlikely to happen in my lifetime and probably not in Jimmy's either. I guess Costa Rica may be there, and Cuba temporarily (though for different reasons), but that is about all.


Hey Weyland,
With your political views I find it ironic that you would want to retire to a US puppet state like the DR. Why not go live in Hugo's Bolivarian paradise? You aren't one of those "armchair socialists" are you?

weyland
01-13-2008, 01:04 PM
Hey Weyland,
With your political views I find it ironic that you would want to retire to a US puppet state like the DR. Why not go live in Hugo's Bolivarian paradise? You aren't one of those "armchair socialists" are you?
I thought I would be less likely to be "liberated" with napalm in the DR.

PapiQueRico
01-13-2008, 01:34 PM
I thought I would be less likely to be "liberated" with napalm in the DR.

Oh Weyland, there comes a time for every revolutionary to get off the balcony and onto the baracades!!!!! :rofl:

That's the problem with the European Left (and Cowboy's fans) they talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk!!!!! :p

There's always Fidel's fiefdom (or should I call it Raul's Riviera) if you want to have both a Carribean and a socialist experience. Believe me, the chicas are much finer than your average Haitiana! :corky:

Apos
01-13-2008, 04:33 PM
i have not yet been to Colombia but i suspect that most guys visiting places in Colombia like Medellin and Cartagena think that they are generally safe. they probably are if they manage not to stick out too much, use common sense and stay in know safe areas. even then shit can happen but the chances are lower.

I know people currently in Colombia, not posters here, Colombians and expats, that have shared with me a bit more of their reality. Such as travel between major cities can be very dangerous and taking the bus, between cities, is not generally safe so one must fly. this is quite unlike the DR where you can basically go where ever you want, excepting some "hot" barrios, etc... Then again i know expats there that have and do travel between major cities by bus and car. i'm not sure whether they're brave or crazy but they're still alive and safe BUT they seem to have a very good understanding of what the real risks are. something that a casual vacationer does not likely have.

there are many documentaries, and other accurate sources of information, on Colombia, FARC and other dangers. keep an eye on your TV Guide, the library and Google for them. They might open a few people's eyes.

in a case like this knowledge is not only power but survival....and partly why i have not gone to Colombia, despite being invited by Colombians that i have known for almost 20 years.
Ummm, not quite. There is heavy FARC presence in Medellín. There are parts of the city that have no police presence. And people have been kidnapped by taxistas and sold to the FARC.

Just a few days ago within long walking distance of my apartment, a Gringo was robbed as he pulled up to the house of his novia in Barrio Trinidad near the Olaya Herrera airport in the city. They took the car, his documents, and valuables.

Barrio Trinidad is no go any time of the night or day. And there are many other such areas in Medellín. Another of those areas is less than 6 blocks from Parque Bolivar.

This ain't Kansas.

tomtom33
01-13-2008, 08:07 PM
Unless you were born and raised in Medellín, you will stick out. Paisas quickly know that you are not from there, many times without hearing you speak. They can pick out Rolos, Caleńos, Costeńos, Santanderos, and even southern Paisas from Pereira. Any extranjero stands out big time.

I constantly think about security when I am in Medellín. I do not do that in Cartagena. But, yeah, you can be fine if you are careful.